Inside The OIG Interview: MCC Captain's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 15) (4/4/26)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Epstein Chronicles

Episode: Inside The OIG Interview: MCC Captain's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 15)
Host: Bobby Capucci
Date: April 5, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode continues the deep dive into the Office of Inspector General (OIG) interview transcripts regarding the death of Jeffrey Epstein. Host Bobby Capucci walks listeners through the MCC Captain’s responses about security protocol, document handling, and potential administrative failings in the days and hours preceding Epstein’s death. The focus is on candid discussion of the missing daily logs (292s), security lapses, and the unorthodox actions of staff, all based on first-hand testimony from within the Metropolitan Correctional Center (MCC).

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Security Concerns with Extra Linens and Clothing

• Materials as Risk (00:45-01:30)
  • Extra linens and clothing provided to inmates are a security risk because they can be used to fashion nooses or escape equipment.
  • Quote (Captain):
    “That gives the inmates the material to be able to make homemade, fashioned and improvised nooses...or they’ll build a TT and use it as escape paraphernalia just like they did in Chicago. That’s why we don’t give inmates excess clothing.” (00:50)

2. The Mystery of Missing 292 Daily Logs

• Purpose and Sensitivity of 292s (01:30-03:00)

  • 292 forms track each inmate’s daily activities: out-of-cell time, meals, showers, etc.
  • Missing 292s could hide failures to provide mandatory recreation or meals to Epstein or expose administrative negligence.
  • Quote (Inspector):
    “Would these documents be missing because they were potentially falsified or because they might show something about the death of Epstein?”
    Captain:
    “It would show if he wasn’t taking meals and they didn’t report it. It would show if the inmate wasn’t afforded any outside recreation time...” (02:15)

• Handling and Responsibility (03:00-04:00)

  • The OIC (Officer in Charge) on morning watch typically prints and files new 292s every Sunday. After July 30th, if Epstein’s files are missing, it raises questions.
  • Tova Noel, assigned to the SHU (Special Housing Unit), would generally have handled these responsibilities.

• Transition During Suicide Watch (04:00-05:15)

  • A new 292 log is created when an inmate is placed on suicide watch; those records are meant to follow the inmate and also be given to psychology and correctional services.

3. Staff Protocol Violations on the Morning of Epstein’s Death

• Incomplete Rounds & Admittance (05:15-07:30)

  • Some MCC staff admitted to failing to complete required rounds at 3 am and 5 am—the only counts they acknowledged missing.
  • Officer Thomas entered Epstein’s cell alone to attempt life-saving measures, violating protocol that calls for supervisor presence, especially during off-hours in the SHU.
  • Quote (Captain):
    “You just pop down the door and just go in there, you’re putting yourself in jeopardy. If you’re going in the Special Housing Unit, you need to wait until a supervisor comes on the scene before you pop a door in the SHU.” (07:10)

• Emergency Reactions (07:30-08:20)

  • The captain notes that while not uncommon for staff to react impulsively in emergencies, protocol exists for a reason.

4. Confusion Around Epstein’s Cellmate and Release Procedures

• Release Clarifications (10:05-11:00)
  • Conflicting narratives about the whereabouts and release status of Epstein’s cellmate, Reyes. Clarified that Reyes was released from court, not the institution, and never returned to the SHU.
  • Quote (Captain): “He wasn’t released from the institution. Usually it’s from court...he never came back.” (10:20)

5. Recordkeeping Failures & Internal Oversight

• Documentation in Truscope vs. Hard Copy (11:00-12:45)

  • No electronic (Truscope) documentation for counts on the night of Epstein’s death, but hard copies should always be filled.
  • Captain discusses systemic issues: counts and rounds rarely perfectly recorded; process in place for weekly audits and corrective counseling of staff.
  • Quote (Captain): “We try to encourage staff to do the right thing, but if they’re not, we’re trying to catch it on our level before it gets reported out.” (12:10)

• Accountability for Thomas and Noel (12:45-13:14)

  • Captain is uncertain if Thomas or Noel were personally counseled for such lapses before the incident.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Security Risks:
  “That gives the inmates the material to be able to make homemade, fashioned and improvised nooses...” (Captain, 00:50)

• On the Value of Missing Docs:
  “It would show if he wasn’t taking meals and they didn’t report it. It would show if the inmate wasn’t afforded any outside recreation time...” (Captain, 02:15)

• On Protocol During Emergencies:
  “If you’re going in the Special Housing Unit, you need to wait until a supervisor comes on the scene before you pop a door in the SHU.” (Captain, 07:10)

• On Staff Accountability:
  “We try to encourage staff to do the right thing, but if they’re not, we’re trying to catch it on our level before it gets reported out.” (Captain, 12:10)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:45 – Introduction to OIG interview and linen/clothing security issues
• 02:15 – Significance of missing 292 forms
• 04:00 – Transfer of 292s during suicide watch
• 05:15 – Staff admission of missing rounds
• 07:10 – Protocol breach: Officer enters Epstein’s cell alone
• 10:05 – Clarification about cellmate Reyes’ release
• 11:00 – Failure to enter counts in Truscope, reliance on hard copies
• 12:10 – Internal audits, counseling, and accountability

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Tone & Language

• Direct, conversational, and sometimes blunt—mirroring Bobby Capucci’s style.
• Focused on clarity and cutting through obfuscation in official accounts.
• Lampoons institutional failures and unresolved questions in Epstein’s death.

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Next Episode Preview

The host wraps up by mentioning the investigation will continue in the next part, focusing further on the OIG interview and the persistent mysteries surrounding both paperwork and protocol breaches at MCC.

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For more information and documents referenced, check the episode’s description box.

Transcript

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[Epstein Chronicles Narrator]

What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're diving right back in to the unnamed captain and and his interview with the OIG inspectors. Question is having those extra linens and those extras, you know, boxers or whatever, is that a security issue? Answer yeah. Question and why is that a security issue? Question because ultimately that gives the inmates the material to be able to make homemade, fashioned and improvised nooses. Question okay. Answer or the they'll build a TT and use it as an escape paraphernalia just like they did in Chicago. Tie that stuff together. They broke out the window and the inmate had a rope. That's why we don't give inmates excess clothing. Question okay, now as far as this file though, you never found out where those documents went? I couldn't find them. Okay. And when we were saying people that had access to this room, was it just a flood of people at that point coming out? Answer Anybody that the people who would be most know about those files would be the shoe staff. Question the shoe staff. Answer and the lieutenants. Question of course. And what would be in those files that possibly people wouldn't want people to see? Answer I mean the only thing I mean that would be in there, like I said to 292s because you're supposed to do them every day. Question and what are 292s? Answer 292s basically are. It shows the inmates activities in the unit daily. It talks about if the inmate. Anytime the inmate is out of the shoe time, out of cell time. It's annotated on the 292. When the inmate showers, when the inmate exercises, when the inmate eats every meal. Answer now, in your opinion, would it be. Would these documents be missing because they were potentially falsified or because they might show something about the death of Epstein? Answer it would show if he wasn't taking meals and they didn't report it. It would show if the inmate wasn't afforded any outside recreation time or any out of cell time. But we know that he wasn't getting that because he was going to attorney conference. Question okay answer but those forms, no they wouldn't show that the inmate. You know all of that stuff is just administrative stuff that we track for every inmate. Question that's why I'm just trying to figure out what would be the purpose of taking those files. Another inspector chimes in Is there any possibility the file was never updated? Answer by the Captain I don't believe that. Question and who would be updating the files? Just anybody in the shoe. Answer that would be the OIC. Every Sunday you're printing out all the 292s then you put them in the file. Question so on Sundays is it one person that typically gets cut off by the captain? The OICs normally the OIC on morning watch would do that. They would print out all the 292s and they would put them in in each file. Question do you know at this time around the August 9th and August 10th who would have been responsible for those files and printing those out and putting them in? Answer that would have been either the that would have probably been the shoe staff. It would have been either it would have probably had to be Tova Noel. Question Noel would have been Answer because she was assigned to that would have been one of the responsibilities of the shoe one but that would have been on Sunday. Question yeah, Sunday. That's what I'm saying. Do you know up until this point though like so if the file is gone he's now there for what, almost two months? Answer Indiscernible Question Would it be one person responsible or whoever is there on Sunday? Answer she wouldn't have known. So so I mean she wouldn't have that's something unless you're the full time shoe OIC that you wouldn't would be cognizant of. Question okay. Answer she wouldn't know that question so there's that answer. Question for you. If he was put on suicide watch or psych observation, would that file move with him? Answer by the Captain when the inmate goes on suicide watch they create another 292 because he's not in the unit. So that 292 goes down with and is put on the door. Right. So that copy of that 292 yeah that's supposed to go to psychology and the copy is supposed to go back to correctional services to put in his file to be maintained that yeah, he was on suicide watch, this would happen, you know, you tell the story. So yeah, yeah, it would. All of that information would be in there. Question no, but I'm just asking is it possible it went to psych observation or wherever that unit is and never made it back? Answer It's a possibility. Question but then he's made. But it should. Like you were saying, it should have constantly been updated. So from July 30th through August 9th or 10th, there's still to be extra stuff in there. Correct. Alright, so let's keep going here. Redacted Express to redacted that the staff admitted to her they did not complete the rounds. The 3am and 5am counts and that so. And that's all they admitted to was those two, not the ones prior to that. Right. So when I talked to a redacted on the phone, that's what he told me on the phone. Okay. He said hey Cap, the staff told me that they didn't do the rounds. Question. All right. Answer. And I said okay. Question. And that Officer Thomas entered Epstein's cell without supervision. Now what does that mean? Answer that means that anytime, especially in the shoe, anytime, that cell it should have been, especially after hours, a supervisor should have been present. Question. When he went in to do the life saving measures. Right? Answer Yep. Question now, do you know was Thomas in a. Well, were they together and he walked in or was she liked down the range? Answer I believe she was on the down. She was off the tier and he probably went to go do doing the breakfast carts. And by the time it comes down the tier and he comes through. So that means he didn't do around because he would have saw him. Right. So that means he's going around because that's how feed. As soon as we come on, we don't go this way, we go this way. So that cell that Epstein was found in, I think it's like the second from the inn. And so it's like the last cell and when he was in that next cell, right. So they come around the whole area. And when he gets to his cell, you observe the inmate unresponsive. So what you're supposed to do is you call control. Control, hey, I've got an unresponsive inmate. Send staff to the shoe. Or I've got an unresponsive inmate. Please state the medical emergency. Send someone to the shoe. Redacted to ops. Hey, I need you to come to special housing unit. Boom. You come up there, you got a staff because you don't know if it's a ruse. You just pop down the door and just go in there. You're putting yourself in jeopardy. Question now, does this create suspicion for you the fact that he went in there by himself? Answer I've seen a lot of stuff at MCC as far as with security protocol. I have written staff up for violations of security protocol. That instance right there, what he did wouldn't be uncommon. Question. Okay, answer. Because you try to tell people how to react in emergency situations and guess what? Everybody is not going to say how they're going to react. But we do tell them. If you're going in the special housing unit, you need to wait until a supervisor comes on the scene before you pop a door in the shoe. Now do you know how he was found? Was he hanging? I don't know how he was found.

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Question Was he on the floor? Answer don't know. I didn't read the autopsy report. I don't know. Okay. I only know what the news had reported. Okay. It says Epstein was placed on the floor to administer life saving efforts and that's why I asked. I didn't know if he was still hanging. I don't know. And he took him off. Alright. Redacted Informed Redacted about what Officer Noel and Thomas admitted to. Redacted had concerns about the whereabouts of Epstein's cellmate. Some of his staff were under the impression that Reyes was released from the shu which redacted later confirmed was not true. Was not True or was true? You confirm that he wasn't released from the shoe, he wasn't released from the shu. He wasn't released. He was released from court. O. Okay. He wasn't released from the institution. Usually it's from court. Question oh, okay, so what they're trying to say here is that you guys didn't release him, he went to court and they released him. Answer that's right. Question and he never came back. Answer he never came back. Question okay, but he was released from custody. Answer yeah, he was released in custody when he went to court that day. Question alright, so this is worded weird. The purpose of the 3 and the 5am count is to physically count and confirm each person is in their cell. There were no entries of counts in Truscope the entire night. If technology is down, the correctional officers also have the option to document the count on a hard copy form. Although there are no electronic records of counts, hard copies must have been retained. Answer that's correct. Question Is it odd that they didn't enter it into Truscope that night? Answer no, it's not odd because I told you on occasion the staff member would say, oh, I don't have access to Truscope. But however, they're given hard copies of the count slip, which continues for the 24 hour period. Question Right. Yeah. Answer so you're continuing to do your rounds and then at the end of the rounds, at the end of the week, this is how it's supposed to happen because I actually put this in place because that was one of the vitals that that we had during the program review which we got hit on. At the end of the week, the lieutenant is supposed to get them and he will audit them and make sure all of your rounds were conducted in the 40 minute irregular. If it's not, that staff member is identified and then they're given counseling. So we're trying to stop staff. You know, we try to encourage staff to do the right thing, but if they're not, we're trying to catch it on our level before it gets reported out. So even then, you know, the lieutenants, there was a sign up that there was it wasn't getting done on a regular basis. When I input, when I had, I have to counsel them. Where is my stuff? Weekly. So I've counseled them, I've got counseling for that. Question did you ever counsel either Thomas or Noel? Answer no, I don't know if I have ever counseled them. Question okay. Answer no, but before this incident, no. All right folks, we're gonna wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.

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