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What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna dive right back in to the unnamed captain's interview with the OIG investigators. Question did you ever counsel either Thomas or Noel? Answer no, I don't know if I have ever counseled either of them. Okay, no, but before this incident. But no. It says all inmate phone calls in the SHU are monitored and inmates have limited access to phone calls. All calls should be recorded. Redacted was not aware of any issues or complaints with Epstein related to phone calls on Saturday, August 10, 2019. Redacted was told that Epstein made a phone call at approximately 7pm on the evening of Friday, August 9, 2019. It's uncommon to make an unrecorded phone call in the shoe and redacted would advise against it because calls should be surveilled. Inmates can make a recorded phone call in the lieutenant's office, where it's documented in a monitored logbook. In the shu. Correctional officers are not permitted to give inmate phone calls. But a unit task member or the chaplain can take the inmate to the lieutenant's office and make a call. Redacted is not briefed on phone calls in the SHU generally. But in this case you said that you did advise redacted that he could. And where did the call take place? Well, because I know between that time we had an installed jack, okay. In shoe in order to do the outgoing calls. So they could actually do calls in the shoe though, before the chaplain, of course. So if you had a shoe inmate, he didn't have to bring the inmate all the way down to the lieutenant's office to do a call. Question okay, answer so there was a jack up there in the I can't remember where it is, I'm sorry Question it's near the shower room. Answer yeah, something like that. But so we actually had the ability to have that outgoing call capability for those inmates and shoe because you can't bring them down to the lieutenant's office. Question okay, answer so you could do an outgoing call capability in the shoe. Question okay, and so you did approve that call and then just log it? Answer yes. Question okay. And take care of all of that? Answer Yes, I did. And that was something that redacted said and and redacted was actually, I believe he was ido. Question and again, what is ido? Answer the institutional duty officer. Question and what does that mean? Answer that means that every week for a seven day period, normally people with with a grade of just 12 and above 12, 13s would be the institutional or 14s would be the institutional duty officer. Right? So that means they go around and they check all of the institutional that they're taking calls after hours from correctional services, they're reporting certain stuff to the region. They're doing rounds in the shoe. They're doing rounds throughout the institution in all the areas of the institution. And the accumulated report which is given to the warden for their review about the daily operation of the institution during that week. Also, part of that is shoe rounds. You know, they make sure that shoe rounds, everybody that's supposed to do rounds within a week, you have to do them or you get notified and then you notify that Thursday or Friday and you're supposed to go do your rounds by the closeout. You only have to do it there once a week. So that's just part of the duties. But they bring the report, they create a report of the total operation. Any incident that occurred. The accounts in Chu, if they they were bad, anything that was going on in Food service, or if they observed certain instances during or in general population that should be addressed by the unit team or correctional services and stuff like that. And so that's what they do. Question. Okay, and then this concludes redacted. Wholeheartedly emphasized that he and his staff at MCC did their best to supervise, safeguard and ensure the protection of. Of Epstein and all inmates effectively. His staff is aware of the seriousness of the investigation into Epstein's death. Right. Question now, as far as what I just read to you, I know it was over the course of two hours, but I mean four hours. But is there anything else you told the FBI or the OIG that wasn't included in this report? Answer, yeah. Question and what was that regarding? Answer. I talked about that when I or it was brief in there, but I talked about Lt. Redacted's actions. Talked about that one. She didn't do physical rounds in the unit because as I said, I went into Truscope because I wanted to know, because I did all this within the time that I got to the institution, I pulled up Truscope and I actually go in and I get to see where they're logging in and, and doing rounds. Because once I pull up those reports, because the two I verify off of, I pull those reports up, I can show where the computer terminals are. And all of her rounds was done from the lieutenant's office. Question, okay, I thought aside from the bad count, where she should have went, she should have, even with the bad count, she should have been there observing an actual count. Answer huh? Question in the shoe. Answer yeah. Question and what count? Answer no, no, what she should have done is then done rounds. Answer O Question in the shoe that night. So between 10 and 6, she should have done a round in shoe. Well, anytime after 12am to 6, she should have done a round in the shoe. There was no rounds. All the rounds were done from the lieutenant's office. Well, if she did, I think we do believe that she did conduct around at 4am okay. Question so she actually physically went into the shoe at 4am and spoke with them, and then potentially even came back and checked in a little bit later. Dude, it's been a while. I got a little busy. You got a little busy? What? Thank you, sir. And so if she did that one time at 4am I possibly another check in 10 or 15 minutes later, would that be sufficed for whatever the duty and responsibility was? Answer well, that means if you sat there and you did all your rounds. So I did all of my rounds at the computer Office Question and never went. Answer in the computer. Question continues. And she never. She was supposed to go to the control center and actually do the counts from there. Right? Answer. Well, you're supposed to take, yeah, one of the counts. So normally we would take the 345 count or the five. Either one. You could take one of the counts. It don't matter which one you take. You've just got to take 1, the 12, the 3 or the 5. Right. You've got to take account. You've got to go through to do a round in the shoe. A round and shoe. So you have to go actually go physically to the unit and then you're supposed to do rounds throughout the entire institution. So if I'm at the lieutenant's desk and I say that all my rounds were done from this one terminal because you're actually supposed to go in, I provide it in card readers. Question. So they're supposed to, when they do a round, they're supposed to log it from the unit. Answer from that terminal. Question. Okay. Answer. So that means that they can go to a floor and they don't have to log into both computers on the floor. As long as you log into one on the floor, you're good. That's the policy. Question. And is it just to show that you were physically there and they're not falsifying the rounds? There is. Question okay, so you can't just sit at the desk and say I did all these rounds. Question. I'm going to investigate the indiscernible of what the lieutenant rounds entails. Question. You can ask again if you want. Go ahead, answer. I don't remember if you did, I apologize if you answered it already. When a lieutenant has done a round in let's say any tier and let's say the shoe, what does that entail? That's actually another question, not the answer, but it's by another investigator who chimes in. The problem here is everybody's name is redacted. So every now and then somebody pops in with a question and. And it catches your boy off guard.