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Boss, what's the most dreaded question that you can get when you tell people you host a podcast called the Lapsed Fan?
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Ugh. It's what is it about?
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And why is that, do you think? Because to like pro wrestling is to lose the respect of others. Now what if we told you there's a podcast that explains exactly why that is and why it's kind of deserved? For over a decade we've taken fact finding missions through the thicket of half truths that is wrestling history. We watch old matches, call out carnies, laugh at our own jokes, and have so much fun doing it that some people actually can't handle it. Think wrestling is an escape from real life? Think again. Same power games, same office politics, same people lying to your face. Just with entrance music and absolutely no company health insurance under any circumstances. All I offer is opportunity, not benefits. As do we, Vince. The Lapsed Fan Podcast Come for the wrestling history. Stay for the uncomfortable truth about why it used to be better and why you still care.
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What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna dive right back in to the unnamed captain's interview with the OIG investigators. Question did you ever counsel either Thomas or Noel? Answer no, I don't know if I have ever counseled either of them. Okay, no, but before this incident. But no. It says all inmate phone calls in the SHU are monitored and inmates have limited access to phone calls. All calls should be recorded. Redacted was not aware of any issues or complaints with Epstein related to phone calls on Saturday, August 10, 2019. Redacted was told that Epstein made a phone call at approximately 7pm on the evening of Friday, August 9, 2019. It's uncommon to make an unrecorded phone call in the shoe and redacted would advise against it because calls should be surveilled. Inmates can make a recorded phone call in the lieutenant's office, where it's documented in a monitored logbook. In the shu. Correctional officers are not permitted to give inmate phone calls. But a unit task member or the chaplain can take the inmate to the lieutenant's office and make a call. Redacted is not briefed on phone calls in the SHU generally. But in this case you said that you did advise redacted that he could. And where did the call take place? Well, because I know between that time we had an installed jack, okay. In shoe in order to do the outgoing calls. So they could actually do calls in the shoe though, before the chaplain, of course. So if you had a shoe inmate, he didn't have to bring the inmate all the way down to the lieutenant's office to do a call. Question okay, answer so there was a jack up there in the I can't remember where it is, I'm sorry Question it's near the shower room. Answer yeah, something like that. But so we actually had the ability to have that outgoing call capability for those inmates and shoe because you can't bring them down to the lieutenant's office. Question okay, answer so you could do an outgoing call capability in the shoe. Question okay, and so you did approve that call and then just log it? Answer yes. Question okay. And take care of all of that? Answer Yes, I did. And that was something that redacted said and and redacted was actually, I believe he was ido. Question and again, what is ido? Answer the institutional duty officer. Question and what does that mean? Answer that means that every week for a seven day period, normally people with with a grade of just 12 and above 12, 13s would be the institutional or 14s would be the institutional duty officer. Right? So that means they go around and they check all of the institutional that they're taking calls after hours from correctional services, they're reporting certain stuff to the region. They're doing rounds in the shoe. They're doing rounds throughout the institution in all the areas of the institution. And the accumulated report which is given to the warden for their review about the daily operation of the institution during that week. Also, part of that is shoe rounds. You know, they make sure that shoe rounds, everybody that's supposed to do rounds within a week, you have to do them or you get notified and then you notify that Thursday or Friday and you're supposed to go do your rounds by the closeout. You only have to do it there once a week. So that's just part of the duties. But they bring the report, they create a report of the total operation. Any incident that occurred. The accounts in Chu, if they they were bad, anything that was going on in Food service, or if they observed certain instances during or in general population that should be addressed by the unit team or correctional services and stuff like that. And so that's what they do. Question. Okay, and then this concludes redacted. Wholeheartedly emphasized that he and his staff at MCC did their best to supervise, safeguard and ensure the protection of. Of Epstein and all inmates effectively. His staff is aware of the seriousness of the investigation into Epstein's death. Right. Question now, as far as what I just read to you, I know it was over the course of two hours, but I mean four hours. But is there anything else you told the FBI or the OIG that wasn't included in this report? Answer, yeah. Question and what was that regarding? Answer. I talked about that when I or it was brief in there, but I talked about Lt. Redacted's actions. Talked about that one. She didn't do physical rounds in the unit because as I said, I went into Truscope because I wanted to know, because I did all this within the time that I got to the institution, I pulled up Truscope and I actually go in and I get to see where they're logging in and, and doing rounds. Because once I pull up those reports, because the two I verify off of, I pull those reports up, I can show where the computer terminals are. And all of her rounds was done from the lieutenant's office. Question, okay, I thought aside from the bad count, where she should have went, she should have, even with the bad count, she should have been there observing an actual count. Answer huh? Question in the shoe. Answer yeah. Question and what count? Answer no, no, what she should have done is then done rounds. Answer O Question in the shoe that night. So between 10 and 6, she should have done a round in shoe. Well, anytime after 12am to 6, she should have done a round in the shoe. There was no rounds. All the rounds were done from the lieutenant's office. Well, if she did, I think we do believe that she did conduct around at 4am okay. Question so she actually physically went into the shoe at 4am and spoke with them, and then potentially even came back and checked in a little bit later. Dude, it's been a while. I got a little busy. You got a little busy? What? Thank you, sir. And so if she did that one time at 4am I possibly another check in 10 or 15 minutes later, would that be sufficed for whatever the duty and responsibility was? Answer well, that means if you sat there and you did all your rounds. So I did all of my rounds at the computer Office Question and never went. Answer in the computer. Question continues. And she never. She was supposed to go to the control center and actually do the counts from there. Right? Answer. Well, you're supposed to take, yeah, one of the counts. So normally we would take the 345 count or the five. Either one. You could take one of the counts. It don't matter which one you take. You've just got to take 1, the 12, the 3 or the 5. Right. You've got to take account. You've got to go through to do a round in the shoe. A round and shoe. So you have to go actually go physically to the unit and then you're supposed to do rounds throughout the entire institution. So if I'm at the lieutenant's desk and I say that all my rounds were done from this one terminal because you're actually supposed to go in, I provide it in card readers. Question. So they're supposed to, when they do a round, they're supposed to log it from the unit. Answer from that terminal. Question. Okay. Answer. So that means that they can go to a floor and they don't have to log into both computers on the floor. As long as you log into one on the floor, you're good. That's the policy. Question. And is it just to show that you were physically there and they're not falsifying the rounds? There is. Question okay, so you can't just sit at the desk and say I did all these rounds. Question. I'm going to investigate the indiscernible of what the lieutenant rounds entails. Question. You can ask again if you want. Go ahead, answer. I don't remember if you did, I apologize if you answered it already. When a lieutenant has done a round in let's say any tier and let's say the shoe, what does that entail? That's actually another question, not the answer, but it's by another investigator who chimes in. The problem here is everybody's name is redacted. So every now and then somebody pops in with a question and. And it catches your boy off guard.
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Are you a wrestling fan? Even if you're not, I'll bet you're friends with someone who is. There's a lot of wrestling these days. Whether it's on TV in front of 50,000 people or at your local armory in front of 500. You never know what to expect. Even Bad Bunny's been in the ring before. Yes, that Bad Bunny. If you want to keep up with the good, the bad and the ugly of the wonderful world of pro wrestling, check out Solomonster Sounds Off. That's my podcast. I've been a wrestling fan as far back as I could form sentences and I've got a lot of opinions on it. Since 2007, the premier weekly wrestling podcast and the only one you really need is Solomonster Sounds Off. Find it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Answer they're supposed to go to door by door. Just like I explained to you before, you're supposed to go into the unit, go onto the tier and you're supposed to walk and look at every cell. Question and what he's saying. He just to clarify, he wants to make sure that the lieutenant that are also supposed to do that answer yes. Question not just the staff and is that and again for clarification, I apologize but it's so much we've got to dissect. You know, we're going to have to digest what you told us and and listen to it again. But is it every shift a lieutenant should do that? Answer yes every shift in the 24 hour period rounds have to be conducted by a lieutenant in shoe question and so if lieutenants are telling us that they don't think that's part of their duties, they're supposed to just do rounds Answer they're wrong Question or staff is that the policy that says that they need to do that? Answer yeah Question so if they're telling us that are they lying or are they just he gets cut off by the captain. I just think they're confused or unaware. I really do. If it says that a lieutenant will perform around in special housing once on their shift Question and then that means an actual not around to check with the staff but around to actually looking at the inmates. No, that's around to walk around the unit. Question so in this matter when you're looking at these 4, 10 and 12, 3 and 5, which on our duty roster on both August 9th and 10th, which lieutenant should have conducted the rounds? Okay so on August 9th, Lane should have done the round in the shoe but what approximately what time? Answer it's going to be from 10, 10 hundred hours only 2200 hours. 206 Answer so the day before for August 8th, 2200 redacted or redacted would have done them. So I don't know who would have done them on that day. And especially since we didn't have a shoe lieutenant they should have done a round in the shoe because just like we had the PC unit that was on the third floor, you was responsible for doing around in the PC unit. Question and are you aware if redacted or redacted they were there? Do you know if either of them are aware that they needed to do rounds of inmates in the shoe? Answer yeah, they knew. Question okay, answer either one of them would have done it. Question okay answer so I would say normally when I was operations lieutenant I would have sent the activity hey go to shoe, go knock out around. Question so redacted probably would have been the one there. Answer and then for redacted I would have sent redacted up there. Question all right, so redacted or redacted should have done around okay and it doesn't have to be so when you're saying around, are you talking about the counts or the rounds? It could have been any round because rounds are 30. It would have been 30 minutes or so. Are you talking about one of the main counts? Answer so just like a correctional supervisor, a lieutenant is supposed to make a round in the shoe. Question I know, but what I just want to make sure that we're clarifying the difference between the 30 minute round and the because you said they should have conducted One of the four. 1012, that's a count. So are they supposed to conduct a count or just one of the regular 30 minute rounds? Answer no. On every shift within a 24 hour period, a lieutenant is supposed to make a round and shoe Question around. Answer A lieutenant that's why I would say a lieutenant. It specifies too because I can't say the operations, the activities, the admin. No, a lieutenant. So that's why we get by on day watch because you have the assigned lieutenant in the unit that's going to make the said round. Question so when redacted went to add four to the shoe, she should have conducted a round of the inmate. He gets cut off by the captain of the entire unit. Question not just checked in with the staff. Answer no, she should have made a round. Question okay, and then that's what I wanted to clarify around versus count because that could have happened anytime in between, you know, for these people, anytime in between any of those counts at any time, they could have showed up and said, let's do a round answer, huh? All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right there. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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The Epstein Chronicles

Episode: Inside The OIG Interview: MCC Captain's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 16) (4/4/26)

Host: Bobby Capucci
Date: April 5, 2026

Episode Overview

In this installment, Bobby Capucci delves deeply into the Office of Inspector General’s (OIG) interview with the unnamed MCC Captain regarding the events and protocols leading up to Jeffrey Epstein’s death. The episode unpacks critical points from the captain’s statement, focusing especially on MCC policies regarding inmate monitoring, rounds, and phone calls, as well as details and possible discrepancies relating to the supervision of Epstein while he was housed in the Special Housing Unit (SHU). This part continues Capucci’s detailed, no-punches-pulled examination of institutional failures, the responsibilities of key staff members, and contentious gaps between policy and actual practice.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Monitoring Phone Calls in SHU

[01:30–03:40]

Phone Calls Are Monitored: All inmate phone calls in the SHU are supposed to be monitored and recorded; redacted staff member was not aware of any issues with Epstein’s calls on August 10, 2019.
Unusual Call Circumstances: Epstein made a phone call around 7:00 pm on August 9, 2019. It’s uncommon for a SHU inmate to make an unrecorded call; calls are usually facilitated and logged from a monitored location.
Jack Installed in SHU: A call “jack” was installed so inmates no longer needed to be escorted to the lieutenant’s office for phone calls; this allowed for outgoing calls directly from the SHU, which should be logged accordingly.
Institutional Duty Officer’s Role: "The institutional duty officer" (IDO) describes a rotating responsibility among higher-grade staff (grade 12 and above) to oversee operations, conduct rounds, and ensure policy compliance.

"So we actually had the ability to have that outgoing call capability for those inmates in SHU because you can't bring them down to the lieutenant's office."
— MCC Captain (02:44)

2. Duties and Reports of Staff

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IDO Tasks: The IDO collects information from all institution areas, investigates incidents, does rounds (including in SHU), and provides a weekly operational report to the warden.
Reporting Incidents and Oversight: If required rounds aren’t completed, IDOs are notified and must ensure compliance by week’s end, illustrating potential for missed or “makeup” rounds.

3. Supervision of Jeffrey Epstein & General Institutional Procedures

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Emphasis on Staff Diligence: The captain strongly asserts the staff did their best to “supervise, safeguard, and ensure the protection” of Epstein and other inmates.

"Wholeheartedly emphasized that he and his staff at MCC did their best to supervise, safeguard and ensure the protection of Epstein and all inmates effectively. His staff is aware of the seriousness of the investigation into Epstein's death."
— Bobby Capucci reading/interpreting the report (06:39)
Physical vs. Electronic Rounds:
- The captain discusses an incident involving “Lt. Redacted,” who was found to have logged all SHU rounds from the computer in the lieutenant’s office, rather than by physically checking cells.
- A proper round requires physically walking the tier and visually inspecting each cell, not logging from the office.
"All of her rounds was done from the lieutenant's office."
— MCC Captain (07:15)

"So if I'm at the lieutenant's desk and I say that all my rounds were done from this one terminal…they're actually supposed to go in."
— MCC Captain (08:09)
Policy Clarification:
- To log a round correctly, a staff member must physically be on the floor and log from a terminal there, not remotely.

4. Expectations and Reality of Rounds & Counts

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Required Rounds by Lieutenants:
- Every shift in a 24-hour period requires a lieutenant to make a physical round in SHU—not only regular staff.
- There is confusion among some staff about this responsibility.
- Rounds involve walking the unit and visually verifying inmate wellbeing, not merely “checking in” with staff or doing electronic check-ins.
"They're supposed to go door by door…walk and look at every cell."
— MCC Captain (11:31)

"If they're telling us that, are they lying or are they just..."
— Investigator (12:37)
"I just think they're confused or unaware. I really do."
— MCC Captain (12:45)
Round vs. Count:
- A 'round' is distinct from a 'count'; rounds are required once per shift and can happen at any time, counts are more formal headchecks at scheduled times.

5. Accountability & Policy Breakdown

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Who Should Have Done Rounds:
- Discussion about which specific lieutenants should have been responsible for conducting rounds in SHU on August 8th, 9th, and 10th.
- It’s reinforced that all staff with these duties were aware of policies—even if they failed to execute them properly.
Clarification of Language:
- The episode features live questions and answers with confusion stemming from redacted names and multiple investigators, making the unraveling complex.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Physical Rounds:

"You're supposed to go into the unit, go onto the tier and you're supposed to walk and look at every cell."
— MCC Captain (11:31)
On Policy vs. Practice:

"So if I'm at the lieutenant's desk and I say that all my rounds were done from this one terminal…they're actually supposed to go in, I provide it in card readers."
— MCC Captain (08:09)
On Confusion Among Staff:

"I just think they're confused or unaware. I really do. If it says that a lieutenant will perform around in special housing once on their shift..."
— MCC Captain (12:45)
On Staff Awareness:

"Yeah, they knew."
— MCC Captain, affirming staff were aware of required rounds (13:33)

Important Timestamps

[01:30] – Beginning of in-depth interview discussion
[02:44] – Explanation of SHU phone call procedures
[06:39] – Emphasis on staff efforts to safeguard Epstein
[07:15] – Captain describes improper logging of rounds from the office
[11:31] – Clear definition of what a physical round should entail
[12:45] – Captain addresses staff confusion about policy
[13:33] – Captain confirms staff’s awareness of their duties
[15:54] – Episode wrap-up and tease for next installment

Conclusion

This episode of The Epstein Chronicles offers a close examination of institutional protocols, staff responsibilities, and the reality of what occurred within MCC’s SHU before Jeffrey Epstein’s death. Through the lens of the OIG interview and Capucci’s detailed commentary, listeners are provided with a nuanced, often troubling look at the gaps between institutional policy and on-the-ground execution. The episode ends with Bobby promising to continue unpacking this critical interview in the next segment, inviting listeners to consult the episode’s description for associated materials.

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Boss, what's the most dreaded question that you can get when you tell people you host a podcast called the Lapsed Fan?
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Ugh. It's what is it about?
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And why is that, do you think? Because to like pro wrestling is to lose the respect of others. Now what if we told you there's a podcast that explains exactly why that is and why it's kind of deserved? For over a decade we've taken fact finding missions through the thicket of half truths that is wrestling history. We watch old matches, call out carnies, laugh at our own jokes, and have so much fun doing it that some people actually can't handle it. Think wrestling is an escape from real life? Think again. Same power games, same office politics, same people lying to your face. Just with entrance music and absolutely no company health insurance under any circumstances. All I offer is opportunity, not benefits. As do we, Vince. The Lapsed Fan Podcast Come for the wrestling history. Stay for the uncomfortable truth about why it used to be better and why you still care.
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What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna dive right back in to the unnamed captain's interview with the OIG investigators. Question did you ever counsel either Thomas or Noel? Answer no, I don't know if I have ever counseled either of them. Okay, no, but before this incident. But no. It says all inmate phone calls in the SHU are monitored and inmates have limited access to phone calls. All calls should be recorded. Redacted was not aware of any issues or complaints with Epstein related to phone calls on Saturday, August 10, 2019. Redacted was told that Epstein made a phone call at approximately 7pm on the evening of Friday, August 9, 2019. It's uncommon to make an unrecorded phone call in the shoe and redacted would advise against it because calls should be surveilled. Inmates can make a recorded phone call in the lieutenant's office, where it's documented in a monitored logbook. In the shu. Correctional officers are not permitted to give inmate phone calls. But a unit task member or the chaplain can take the inmate to the lieutenant's office and make a call. Redacted is not briefed on phone calls in the SHU generally. But in this case you said that you did advise redacted that he could. And where did the call take place? Well, because I know between that time we had an installed jack, okay. In shoe in order to do the outgoing calls. So they could actually do calls in the shoe though, before the chaplain, of course. So if you had a shoe inmate, he didn't have to bring the inmate all the way down to the lieutenant's office to do a call. Question okay, answer so there was a jack up there in the I can't remember where it is, I'm sorry Question it's near the shower room. Answer yeah, something like that. But so we actually had the ability to have that outgoing call capability for those inmates and shoe because you can't bring them down to the lieutenant's office. Question okay, answer so you could do an outgoing call capability in the shoe. Question okay, and so you did approve that call and then just log it? Answer yes. Question okay. And take care of all of that? Answer Yes, I did. And that was something that redacted said and and redacted was actually, I believe he was ido. Question and again, what is ido? Answer the institutional duty officer. Question and what does that mean? Answer that means that every week for a seven day period, normally people with with a grade of just 12 and above 12, 13s would be the institutional or 14s would be the institutional duty officer. Right? So that means they go around and they check all of the institutional that they're taking calls after hours from correctional services, they're reporting certain stuff to the region. They're doing rounds in the shoe. They're doing rounds throughout the institution in all the areas of the institution. And the accumulated report which is given to the warden for their review about the daily operation of the institution during that week. Also, part of that is shoe rounds. You know, they make sure that shoe rounds, everybody that's supposed to do rounds within a week, you have to do them or you get notified and then you notify that Thursday or Friday and you're supposed to go do your rounds by the closeout. You only have to do it there once a week. So that's just part of the duties. But they bring the report, they create a report of the total operation. Any incident that occurred. The accounts in Chu, if they they were bad, anything that was going on in Food service, or if they observed certain instances during or in general population that should be addressed by the unit team or correctional services and stuff like that. And so that's what they do. Question. Okay, and then this concludes redacted. Wholeheartedly emphasized that he and his staff at MCC did their best to supervise, safeguard and ensure the protection of. Of Epstein and all inmates effectively. His staff is aware of the seriousness of the investigation into Epstein's death. Right. Question now, as far as what I just read to you, I know it was over the course of two hours, but I mean four hours. But is there anything else you told the FBI or the OIG that wasn't included in this report? Answer, yeah. Question and what was that regarding? Answer. I talked about that when I or it was brief in there, but I talked about Lt. Redacted's actions. Talked about that one. She didn't do physical rounds in the unit because as I said, I went into Truscope because I wanted to know, because I did all this within the time that I got to the institution, I pulled up Truscope and I actually go in and I get to see where they're logging in and, and doing rounds. Because once I pull up those reports, because the two I verify off of, I pull those reports up, I can show where the computer terminals are. And all of her rounds was done from the lieutenant's office. Question, okay, I thought aside from the bad count, where she should have went, she should have, even with the bad count, she should have been there observing an actual count. Answer huh? Question in the shoe. Answer yeah. Question and what count? Answer no, no, what she should have done is then done rounds. Answer O Question in the shoe that night. So between 10 and 6, she should have done a round in shoe. Well, anytime after 12am to 6, she should have done a round in the shoe. There was no rounds. All the rounds were done from the lieutenant's office. Well, if she did, I think we do believe that she did conduct around at 4am okay. Question so she actually physically went into the shoe at 4am and spoke with them, and then potentially even came back and checked in a little bit later. Dude, it's been a while. I got a little busy. You got a little busy? What? Thank you, sir. And so if she did that one time at 4am I possibly another check in 10 or 15 minutes later, would that be sufficed for whatever the duty and responsibility was? Answer well, that means if you sat there and you did all your rounds. So I did all of my rounds at the computer Office Question and never went. Answer in the computer. Question continues. And she never. She was supposed to go to the control center and actually do the counts from there. Right? Answer. Well, you're supposed to take, yeah, one of the counts. So normally we would take the 345 count or the five. Either one. You could take one of the counts. It don't matter which one you take. You've just got to take 1, the 12, the 3 or the 5. Right. You've got to take account. You've got to go through to do a round in the shoe. A round and shoe. So you have to go actually go physically to the unit and then you're supposed to do rounds throughout the entire institution. So if I'm at the lieutenant's desk and I say that all my rounds were done from this one terminal because you're actually supposed to go in, I provide it in card readers. Question. So they're supposed to, when they do a round, they're supposed to log it from the unit. Answer from that terminal. Question. Okay. Answer. So that means that they can go to a floor and they don't have to log into both computers on the floor. As long as you log into one on the floor, you're good. That's the policy. Question. And is it just to show that you were physically there and they're not falsifying the rounds? There is. Question okay, so you can't just sit at the desk and say I did all these rounds. Question. I'm going to investigate the indiscernible of what the lieutenant rounds entails. Question. You can ask again if you want. Go ahead, answer. I don't remember if you did, I apologize if you answered it already. When a lieutenant has done a round in let's say any tier and let's say the shoe, what does that entail? That's actually another question, not the answer, but it's by another investigator who chimes in. The problem here is everybody's name is redacted. So every now and then somebody pops in with a question and. And it catches your boy off guard.
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Answer they're supposed to go to door by door. Just like I explained to you before, you're supposed to go into the unit, go onto the tier and you're supposed to walk and look at every cell. Question and what he's saying. He just to clarify, he wants to make sure that the lieutenant that are also supposed to do that answer yes. Question not just the staff and is that and again for clarification, I apologize but it's so much we've got to dissect. You know, we're going to have to digest what you told us and and listen to it again. But is it every shift a lieutenant should do that? Answer yes every shift in the 24 hour period rounds have to be conducted by a lieutenant in shoe question and so if lieutenants are telling us that they don't think that's part of their duties, they're supposed to just do rounds Answer they're wrong Question or staff is that the policy that says that they need to do that? Answer yeah Question so if they're telling us that are they lying or are they just he gets cut off by the captain. I just think they're confused or unaware. I really do. If it says that a lieutenant will perform around in special housing once on their shift Question and then that means an actual not around to check with the staff but around to actually looking at the inmates. No, that's around to walk around the unit. Question so in this matter when you're looking at these 4, 10 and 12, 3 and 5, which on our duty roster on both August 9th and 10th, which lieutenant should have conducted the rounds? Okay so on August 9th, Lane should have done the round in the shoe but what approximately what time? Answer it's going to be from 10, 10 hundred hours only 2200 hours. 206 Answer so the day before for August 8th, 2200 redacted or redacted would have done them. So I don't know who would have done them on that day. And especially since we didn't have a shoe lieutenant they should have done a round in the shoe because just like we had the PC unit that was on the third floor, you was responsible for doing around in the PC unit. Question and are you aware if redacted or redacted they were there? Do you know if either of them are aware that they needed to do rounds of inmates in the shoe? Answer yeah, they knew. Question okay, answer either one of them would have done it. Question okay answer so I would say normally when I was operations lieutenant I would have sent the activity hey go to shoe, go knock out around. Question so redacted probably would have been the one there. Answer and then for redacted I would have sent redacted up there. Question all right, so redacted or redacted should have done around okay and it doesn't have to be so when you're saying around, are you talking about the counts or the rounds? It could have been any round because rounds are 30. It would have been 30 minutes or so. Are you talking about one of the main counts? Answer so just like a correctional supervisor, a lieutenant is supposed to make a round in the shoe. Question I know, but what I just want to make sure that we're clarifying the difference between the 30 minute round and the because you said they should have conducted One of the four. 1012, that's a count. So are they supposed to conduct a count or just one of the regular 30 minute rounds? Answer no. On every shift within a 24 hour period, a lieutenant is supposed to make a round and shoe Question around. Answer A lieutenant that's why I would say a lieutenant. It specifies too because I can't say the operations, the activities, the admin. No, a lieutenant. So that's why we get by on day watch because you have the assigned lieutenant in the unit that's going to make the said round. Question so when redacted went to add four to the shoe, she should have conducted a round of the inmate. He gets cut off by the captain of the entire unit. Question not just checked in with the staff. Answer no, she should have made a round. Question okay, and then that's what I wanted to clarify around versus count because that could have happened anytime in between, you know, for these people, anytime in between any of those counts at any time, they could have showed up and said, let's do a round answer, huh? All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right there. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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