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Inside The OIG Interview: MCC Captain's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 5) (3/28/26)
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This deposition comes from an unnamed captain at the Metropolitan Correctional Center and provides a detailed account of how Jeffrey Epstein was managed inside the facility, particularly in the Special Housing Unit. The captain describes Epstein’s...
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everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to get right back to the unnamed captain from the MCC and his interview with the OIG inspectors. Question so give me a little background on Reyes. What was he in for? Answer I believe Reyes was Hispanic, older male. I believe that particular inmate was in for. I think he was in for child. Some type of sexual stuff. I can't remember. Answer or question. Some kind of charge with. Charged dealing with sexual. He gets cut off with, you know, those types of charges. A similar charge to that. Similar to Epstein, I believe, or I can't remember. Question okay, was he, when he was being vetted, was he close to like a release date or anything like that? An anticipated release date? Answer no one knew that because this is what you need to understand about McCarthy. MCC and MDC are basically jails. They're not prisons. It's a jail. So that means if a guy goes to court, you know, you get locked up and then the next day you might go to court, the judge might say, no, I'm releasing you. We don't know. Question sure. Answer the only time we'll know is when the inmates come back from court. Where is this guy at? He was released. Okay, now we got this guy still in our account. So if they don't bring a transfer order, our account is bad. So they're going to bring the transfer order back with with them for court line. These guys got released. So normally court line is over before four. So we try to get these guys up. Do some inmates come back after 4? Yes, they do, but however, we don't know if an inmate goes out to court, if they're coming back however, there is times when they put out the roster and it's given to as far as all correctional officers that work the units. And, and it'll say court lion inmate Reyes, using him as an example. Wab. That means that he has to come downstairs with all his belongings. So if they say it, that means he's not coming back. That's either he's transferring to another BOP facility or he's going to be released to the street. But I can guarantee you that that transfer of that roster that inmate Reyes was on that day, it didn't say WAB because it would have said wab. The first thing that the OIC should have said, that's my orange tag guy. Because I made them do all the orange tag guys and I made them put up. Put them up on the board. Epstein is that orange tag guy. He's supposed to have a celly. Wab. Oh, cap shoe. Lieutenant wasn't there, but he would have called me directly. Hey, so and so don't have a cell question. Yeah. So how long did it take to vet. You know, I know you said you started it with 10 and then it brought down to three, and then the regional director ultimately decided the one. But how long does the process take? Answer. I believe it took. I'm thinking we did it. We did a day. It took a day. I mean, we actually went. You know, I don't know. I don't. I know either. The warden and I was having a lengthy conversation because the warden wanted to ensure redacted philosophy when dealing with Mr. Epstein was this. He's another inmate. And what he tried to get across to executive staff and what he tried to get across to us, as me, as the captain to. When I disseminated down to the subordinate staff, this is another inmate. Who cares about what his charges are or since he's sensationalized in the media, nobody cares. We're going to manage him appropriately because if you know anything about jails and, and the bop, especially Brooklyn and mcc, we don't run those jails. The courts run those jails. So. And that's the truth. The court, the judges, whatever the judge says goes. So. And that's unfortunate, but that's neither here nor there. So redacted. Wanted the staff to say, no, this is the inmate. Yeah, he has certain charges, but we're going to make sure he gets everything that all the inmates get when they come to mcc. The inmates are going to get proper care. The inmate is going to get showers. The inmate is going to be fed whatever it may Be. But however, after those situations with Epstein where it showed that his behavior was manipulative, when it shows that he was trying to get things for unnecessary gain or he would do anything to get anything that would benefit him, we had to take some different protocols. We had to take a different. They had to take a different approach, different mindset with this guy or the way we managed him had to change because we already had this guy saying that he was going to be killed and all this stuff or whatever. So we just wanted to make sure moving forward, we put protocols in place that will protect us as an agency. Question. So speaking of protocols, was it discussed then when you were vetting these, hey, we have an inmate constantly moving and out of here, if Reyes is moved, one of these other two that were down to the three would be moved in with him. Was that discussed? No, he would just. Basically because like I said again at MCC you wouldn't know how long the duration on the inmate's stay. Question. Sure, you wouldn't know. So you just have to start the vetting process over again, all over again. Whoever is available in the unit is that may be single celled. Because as you know, our policy and protocol in the Bureau of Prisons are dealing with restricted inmates and special housing units. They cannot be celled alone. They must have a cellmate. In the special housing unit, everyone must have a cellmate. Uh huh. Oh, I didn't know that. So every single one needs to have a cellmate except pay. Because it's one of the areas that we didn't Discuss. Outside of 10 south, there was a range that was meant for. It was like a step down from 10 south that only had one man cell occupancy which was on G range. Question okay, was that part of the special housing unit? Answer. Huh. Question. So there's a part of the special housing unit that is a one man occupancy, another part that has two man occupancy. Answer. That's correct. Question. Okay. And Epstein was housed in the two man occupancy. Answer. Yup. Question. Was it ever discussed to put him in one of the one man occupancies? Answer no question. No answer. Because all those cells were filled with inmates that were vetted that needed that type of supervision. Question. Okay, Answer. You had inmates in there that if they were, they were put with other inmates inside of special housing, they would die, they would be assaulted. So we have to make those considerations. So the protocols of how we dealt with inmates according to their situation, I believe it was sound. But guess what? You can only. You're like the coach. I can make the game plan, but if the players are not executing the game plan, whose fault is that? Is it the coach or the player? Question. And. Exactly. And that's what we're doing here. We're Monday morning quarterbacking. We're just saying, like, all right, this is. And that's why we're going back through it. So the warden directed. Redacted on multiple occasions at Epstein needed a cellmate at all times and redacted. Informed his lieutenants the same Redacted. Repeatedly directed his shoe lieutenant redacted that Epstein needed a cellmate at all times. Additionally redacted. Visited the shuffle multiple occasions and directed staff to be very alert and attentive about Epstein's special accommodations. So when you say that about the shoe staff, did you also inform the shoe staff that Epstein needed to have a cellmate? Answer yes question. Oh, so they were all aware. Answer yes question. Can you look at the shoe staff for both of August 9th and the very early morning hours of August 10th? Can you just list the people and let me know if you inform those people? Answer. So basically my hours of work were normally, let's just say 7:30 to 4. So I ensured that it wasn't within one week. But it was a process of doing rounds. So I try to hit every shift. So I hit the day watch because that's the one I work. Evening watch. I stay over late, I walk up there. Hey guys, this is, this is the situation. Let's make sure that you know, we're paying attention. And then morning watch, of course.
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So beginning at 8am Then on August 9, can you just look at this is a question. Now can you look to who and name the people? Can you. Can you just name who was in the shoe and if you ever had any conversation with them, if they were aware? Answer okay, let me see here. Well, we had redacted. I talked to redacted and redacted. He was in there. Redacted. Redacted. Was one of the guys that was up there as a rec officer. Answer. So all gets cut off. Him picks back up with the question. All of those people were. You had conversations specifically with them and they know. Answer I've talked with these guys. Question Absolutely. Can you just name the other people for the shifts after him? I think they just gets cut off by the captain. You got now M. Thomas. M. Thomas. What you need to understand is that he would have been because, you know, like I said, overtime, non custody. He's non custody staff. I don't have conversations with him. Question okay, so Michael Thomas may not have known. Answer Right. Because realistically, the morning watch and evening watch shift people don't like to come to work. So if you sign up for overtime, you say, oh, shoe two is open. Okay, I'll take it. But you're non custody. So that means anybody can work it. A teacher, a food service foreman. Answer Is the shoe easier to work than the other units? I wouldn't say it's easier, but it's less labor intensive. Question okay, because in my opinion from when I worked special housing, special housing was always hard work. Because I'm going to tell you why. You have to be vigilant. And when I mean vigilant, you have to understand when you're working that unit, anything can happen. It could be quiet, but guess what? If you're not walking, looking in those cells, testing the security protocols, meaning making sure the flaps are closed, making sure that the doors Are locked. You want to know that in shu, sometimes doors was unlocked or flaps opened to chase doors those food services, the service flap, you know, making rounds, making sure that the inmates are not have coverings up when you open up. What do you call it? Question the window. Answer the window or putting a towel over the bed and and blocking the light from you being able to observe them. Question but then how gets cut off and what I said about But I want to get back to because I know about the statement about the doors being left open. I'm talking about more in general population as far as when you're making rounds, those types of things you test making sure the door is secure. Making sure the food slots are secure. Question huh? Answer by the captain as an officer coming up. Even as a lieutenant, do you know that I've actually walked into a unit and pulled on the door that's supposed to be secure and the inmate is wide open. Question. Wow. Ever at mcc? No, because that wasn't my capacity, that wasn't my job. But as a line officer subordinate and also when I was lieutenant making rounds, that's what I would do When I hit a unit. It wasn't just to talk to staff. I would walk in and look at the security protocols in the unit. Is there a fire extinguisher there? Good. Your phone work? Computers work. Hey, let's walk the block. Pulling on doors, pulling on food slots showing trying to train officers. That's what I used to do. Question. Lead by example. Answer. And guess what happens. You would find stuff because people in a hurry enough to go home on that evening. Watch them. Inmates know their doors are locked, but they know they're going to come out. Because if they come out, there's a situation, but they'll sit up there and leave it open. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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