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The Epstein Chronicles
Episode: Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed MCC Lieutenant (Part 16)
Date: May 6, 2026
Host: Bobby Capucci

Overview

In this 16th installment of the ongoing deep dive into the Office of the Inspector General (OIG) interviews regarding Jeffrey Epstein's death at the Metropolitan Correctional Center (MCC), host Bobby Capucci dissects the testimony of an unnamed MCC lieutenant. The episode focuses on day-to-day operations, specific privileges allegedly extended to Epstein, and the confusion and inconsistencies in recordkeeping and procedures at the MCC. Bobby returns to the series’ major theme — the ongoing skepticism about the official narrative surrounding Epstein’s death — highlighting evasiveness and possible systemic failures or cover-ups.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

Epstein’s Behavior and Day-to-Day in Detainment

[01:32 - 03:30]

Sleeping in Attorney Conference Room
- The lieutenant describes that Epstein was often seen lying down or appearing to sleep in the attorney conference room during legal consultations.
  - Quote: "He would lay down on the table like that." — Unnamed Lieutenant [01:43]
- This behavior was noted as abnormal:
  - “To sleep, no, that's not normal. Most guys is trying to get out saying, hey, you need to do this and do that.” — Unnamed Lieutenant [01:50]
Access to Food and Vending Machines
- Epstein would often eat snacks and drinks from the vending machines during legal meetings rather than BoP-issued food.
  - Quote: "He used to get all of his snacks." — Unnamed Lieutenant [02:07]
  - “Make sure when my lawyers come, they get his sodas and drinks and they get us his chips.” — Unnamed Lieutenant [02:40]
- Discussion regarding commissary and whether he ate regular meals or only snacks during the long attorney conference hours ("from 8am to 8pm").
- The lieutenant cannot definitively state if Epstein was given BoP meal trays during these long legal visits.
  - Quote: "I don't know about all day, but I know he'll have...sodas and drinks and chips." [02:40]

Recordkeeping Confusion: Bed/Count Books

[03:40 - 06:40]

Bed Book/Count Sheet Procedures
- The protocol on updating inmate movement (like when Epstein left for an attorney conference) is discussed.
- The responsibility for updating the records appears unclear — possibly with different officers or lieutenants depending on shift schedules.
  - Quote: “Who usually updates the bed book count?” — Investigator [04:49]
    "Morning watch... Now this is the new day. This person's not here. Now I know for a fact that this is what I'm starting my day with for the whole day." — Unnamed Lieutenant [04:55]
- If records are not updated and there are discrepancies in the inmate count, the staff would be prompted to check the bed book for errors.
Notification Procedures
- Uncertainty surfaces regarding who should be notified of inmate movement, with the lieutenant admitting details are fuzzy.
  - Quote: “If you don't—it's not a thought. It's not coming on my radar...” — Unnamed Lieutenant [06:10, interrupted]
Shift Changes and Court Movements
- The processes for notifying both internal staff and control about inmate court movements are addressed but remain muddled.
- Multiple staff members are mentioned without clear accountability for the handoff or for updating count sheets.

Wrap-Up and Host’s Perspective

[09:10 - 11:40]

Host Skepticism
- Bobby Capucci questions the honesty and transparency of MCC staff based on the interview.
  - Quote: "Do any of you feel confident in the narrative that we've been pitched?...How are you going to be so evasive?...Nobody's buying it." — Bobby Capucci [09:25]
- He points out a pattern of evasiveness among all the MCC staff interviewed, including Tova Noel, Michael Thomas, and this unnamed lieutenant.
- Systemic failures are cited as scapegoats, but Bobby argues the evasiveness and inconsistencies suggest a cover-up or deeper involvement.
  - Quote: "It's obvious that something happened in that jail cell. And it's obvious that people at that facility know a lot more than they're saying. And it's all part of the gigantic cover-up that we're seeing happen in real time." [10:13]
Host’s Conclusion
- Bobby reasserts his skepticism about the “official” narrative that Epstein’s death was a suicide and hints at alternate explanations: foul play or, at minimum, coercion.
  - Quote: "I think that the evidence leans towards Epstein being killed or at the very least, being coaxed into killing himself." [11:10]
- He promises that future episodes will continue to expose inconsistencies using official documentation and testimonies.

Notable Quotes & Moments

On Sleeping in Conference Room
“To sleep, no, that’s not normal. Most guys is trying to get out saying, hey, you need to do this and do that.” — Unnamed Lieutenant [01:50]
On Food Privileges
“He used to get all of his snacks [from the vending machine]...make sure when my lawyers come, they get his sodas and drinks and they get us his chips.” — Unnamed Lieutenant [02:07, 02:40]
On Accountability for Records
"Morning watch...Now this is the new day. This person's not here. Now I know for a fact that this is what I'm starting my day with for the whole day." — Unnamed Lieutenant [04:55]
On General Staff Evasion
"How are you going to be so evasive? Every single one of these people...how is it that everybody is going to be so evasive and then you're going to blame systemic issues? Nobody’s buying it." — Bobby Capucci [09:25]
On the Official Narrative
"It’s obvious that something happened in that jail cell...And it’s all part of the gigantic cover-up that we’re seeing happen in real time." — Bobby Capucci [10:13]
"I think that the evidence leans towards Epstein being killed or at the very least, being coaxed into killing himself. But there’s one thing that I definitely don’t believe, and that’s the official narrative that they've continuously tried to sell us." — Bobby Capucci [11:10]

Timestamps for Important Segments

| Time | Segment/Topic | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------| | 01:30 | Episode content starts: OIG interview analysis | | 01:32-03:30 | Sleeping & snack privileges in attorney conference | | 03:40-06:40 | Bed book/count procedures, shift communication | | 09:10 | Host's wrap-up and critical takeaways | | 10:13-11:10 | Host’s argument for skepticism & cover-up |

Summary:
This episode continues the meticulous breakdown of official OIG interviews about Jeffrey Epstein's time at MCC, focusing on ambiguities, privileges, and procedural lapses described by an unnamed lieutenant. Host Bobby Capucci frames the deposition as more evidence that the official story around Epstein's death is incomplete and likely misleading, drawing attention to patterns of evasion and failure within the system. The tone is skeptical, combative, and insistent on the need for further investigation, as Bobby promises continued, unflinching coverage of the case.

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[01:31]
Epstein Chronicles Narrator
What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're diving right back in to the interview given by the unnamed lieutenant to the OIG investigators. Question, you mentioned that you saw Epstein in the conference room. Answer Attorney conference. Yeah. Question and sometimes he was sleeping. Answer, it looked like he was sleeping. He would lay down on the table like that. Question Is that normal for inmates to sleep in the conference room? Answer to sleep, no, that's not normal. Most guys is trying to get out saying, hey, you need to do this and do that. Question did anyone ever tell him to wake up or address it? I don't think so. Question the reason I ask is like, was that a privilege that was allowed to Epstein to do that? Answer no, it wasn't a privilege. I think the being that he was there from early in the morning or whatever time the lawyer is probably like, all right, let's look over this and he's probably laying and I'll wait until y' all finished. And then, all right, let's Go. But he also gets to buy out the vending machine too, at first. Question the vending machine? Answer yeah, he used to get all of his snacks. Question yeah, because you weren't allowed to give him food in the shoe, right? Answer in the shoe you get food. Question not in shoe. An attorney. Attorney conference. I was told that basically he had to get his own food from the vending machines. Answer yeah. Question Was he allowed would people feed him the bop food when he was in attorney conferences? Would they bring him a tray? No, I don't think so. I don't even think that he even ate that. I'm not sure. I don't even know if he even ate the bop food. He probably just a commissary. Question so there is a commissary he could go to? Answer sure, you could go to commissary and shoe. Question no, I'm talking about because 8am to 8pm he was always with attorney conference. Answer yeah, so he used to get drinks and chips, snack food. Question and that's what he would just eat all day. Answer I don't know about all day, but I know he'll have a hey, make sure when my lawyers come, they get his sodas and drinks and they get us his chips. Question do you know anything about would he eat before he would go and then be afforded a tray as soon as he got back to the shoe? Answer I mean, yeah, but that wouldn't be. That wouldn't be. That would be kind of common. That's what any legal visit that we used to do. Question I'm just saying, if he's seven days a week not eating, only eating a bag of chips or something from 8 to 8pm that seems like he'd get a little more hungry than that. Answer yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't recall him getting a tray in there, though. Question I don't know if he was or not. That's why I'm asking. Answer yeah, but if he comes back from there and they said, hey, that's my tray from earlier and if he was in a legal visit, we would give it to him. Question, Right? Answer I mean, that's common practice. Question let's say once he left that morning Answer who? Question Redacted. Answer okay. Question Once he left that morning, I know there is like a sheet that keeps track of all the inmates in the shoe, right? They have like a bed count sheet. Answer Bed book count. Bed book count. Would that book need to be updated that he left? Yeah. Whose Responsibility would that have been? I don't know, officers. Question so officers should have updated it. Now let's say they went in at 4pm count and then 9pm count. God forbid there was something off with the count, they would have to pull out the bed book and verify it, right? Answer if you get two bad counts. Question Two bad counts. Answer yeah. Question but if no one updated the book, would that be an issue? Answer well if you get two bad counts, you you've got to bed book and then you'll find a discrepancy. And then again you know who usually updates the bed book count? Question the lieutenant. Answer A morning watch because now this is the new day. Question okay. Answer this person's not here. Now I know for a fact that this is what I'm starting my day with for the whole day. Question I was going to show you one, the same document you mentioned that when you were working the shoe around 2am you would have got the court document, right? The attorney would have brought it up or someone would have brought up the document. Answer yeah, it comes up on morning watch. Question I mean if we don't know for sure if that was the time happening, who would have got the notification at 2am on Aug. 9? Answer about the paperwork. Question about the court documents. Answer probably internal. Question no one in shoe who was in the shoe at that point? Who would have got notified hey listen, Redacted's leaving in the morning. Answer Redacted and Thomas Question Redacted and Thomas Answer yeah. Question and let's say that the morning came around, the shift changed and who would have notified him they got the document, they redacted his leaving. Who would have notified control to keep track of the fact that Redacted is walking out of there? Answer and again, I told you. See if you don't, it's not a thought. It's not coming on my radar until he gets cut off by the investigator. No, I'm not saying that. But who in the shoe would have been responsible? Answer Someone in the shoe. Like I said, evening watch round eight. If they're saying hey R D they weren't back, make sure our account is right. Question that's it. I just had to clarify that. Thank you. The main investigator takes over again. Question but just because Thomas and Redacted got that sheet, it doesn't mean that they would have done anything at that time, right? Wouldn't it have been the next shift to get who would have gotten him ready at 8:30? Answer well, depending on what time. I mean they could have do it at six. Question they being. Answer hey, whoever comes in at six. Hey, he got court. Question all right, so they would have been the guys at probably getting everybody ready to go to court. Answer yeah. Question okay, at least giving them notice. Question who was on the shift to get ready if he left around 8? Answer redacted, redacted and redacted. Question Redacted was though. Answer Redacted. Was there at six. Yeah. Question okay, he was shoot three. Question okay. At six a.m. answer yup, I see. Wait, no, so I see that he notified his relief is what he's saying, right? Redacted was his relief at 2. Question yeah, according to that memo. Answer yeah, I mean, yeah, it's one of those situations. Question that's all I got the main investigator again. Okay, cool. Anything you got. We had a really long interview here, so I apologize for that, but we do appreciate you bearing with us. All right, it's 4:46pm on Monday, July 12, 2021. This is Senior special Agent Redacted and I am turning off the recorder.
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Epstein Chronicles Narrator
I hereby certify that the foregoing pages represent an accurate transcript of the electronic sound recording of the proceedings before the Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General in the matter of interview of Redacted Transcriber redacted. All right, folks, listen. We've been through how many depositions now of people working at the MCC leading up to and when Jeffrey Epstein died. And do any of you feel confident in the narrative that we've been pitched? Do any of you feel confident that we're getting the whole story? And do any of you feel confident that none of these people were involved? I have a hard time believing it. How are you going to be so evasive? Every single one of these people, from Tova Noel to Michael Thomas to the engineer to the warden to the captain to this unnamed lieutenant, how is it that everybody is going to be so evasive and then you're going to blame systemic issues? Nobody's buying it. And I think that the More we go through these depositions and I have more, the more you're gonna see that the narrative you've been sold is far, far from the truth. Because it's obvious that something happened in that jail cell. And it's obvious that people at that facility know a lot more than they're saying. And it's all part of the gigantic cover up that we're seeing happen in real time. How can anyone look at what happened at MCC and say to themselves, you know what? It was just a gigantic coincidence. All this stuff happened at the same time. A perfect storm to one person. Jeffrey Epstein. Not El Chapo, not Diddy, not anybody else, but just Jeffrey Epstein. And if that's not enough, they then serve you up this soft serve of BS where they try and make you believe that Jeffrey Epstein just killed himself. But I don't think that's what the evidence is showing us. And I don't think that there's enough evidence one way or the other to be definitive when you're talking about what happened at mcc. I think that the evidence leans towards Epstein being killed or at the very least, being coaxed into killing himself. But there's one thing that I definitely don't believe, and that's the official narrative that they've continuously tried to sell us. So what we're gonna do is keep punching holes in it using their own documentation and their own interviews. But until then, that's gonna do it for this one. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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