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The Epstein Chronicles

Episode: Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed R&D Officer From MCC (Part 1)

Host: Bobby Capucci
Date: May 7, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode of The Epstein Chronicles delves into the OIG (Office of Inspector General) interview with an unnamed R&D correctional officer from the Metropolitan Correctional Center (MCC), related to the period immediately surrounding Jeffrey Epstein’s death on August 9th and 10th, 2019. Host Bobby Capucci walks listeners through the officer’s testimony, focusing on her official responsibilities, recollections about her shifts, and the procedures at MCC during the pivotal timeframe. This is part one of a detailed breakdown, aiming to clarify what was known, remembered, and documented by staff present during one of the most scrutinized moments in recent criminal justice history.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction to the Officer and Purpose of Interview

(01:31 – 03:00)

Bobby skips the standard identification/swear-in, jumping straight to background questions focused on the officer's experience and credentials.
The interview targets the officer’s role regarding Jeffrey Epstein on August 9th and 10th, 2019.

Notable Insight:
The officer’s background:

Holds a Master’s degree (2017) and a BA in Correctional Administration (2006), both from John Jay College.
Over 11 years with the Bureau of Prisons (BoP), starting at MCC in 2011.

“You know more about this stuff than us then. Which college?”
- OIG Inspector, (02:22)

2. Professional Experience and Work History

(03:00 – 05:20)

Prior experience in juvenile corrections in Virginia.
No military service.
Started as a correctional officer, later taking on the role of Correctional Systems Officer with responsibilities in the “Receiving and Discharge (R&D)” department.
Typical duties include managing movements, warrants, and risk assessments.

Notable Quote:

“I deal with state risk, federal risk, detainers, pending charges, warrants, what else?”
- Unnamed Officer, (04:37)

3. Specifics of Epstein Incident Shifts

(05:21 – 10:00)

Confirms that during August 9th and 10th, 2019, she worked overtime in custody (a deviation from her usual R&D post).
Could not recall exact positions or times without roster documentation but affirmed working the overnight shift during “the Epstein situation.”

Key Procedures Discussed:

The officer was assigned “Control 1” on August 10th (midnight to 8am).
Described Control 1 duties: monitoring activity (though cameras couldn’t see down inmate ranges, only the multipurpose area), handling radio calls, verifying headcounts using E1 sheets and count slips.
The system used (Sentry Control) could only verify counts, not specific activities within the ranges due to limited surveillance.

Quote Highlight:

“At that time we didn’t have cameras on the ranges so you could only see the center…so you’re not able to see down the actual ranges of the units.”
- Unnamed Officer, (07:51)

4. Counts and Reporting on the Day of Epstein’s Death

(10:01 – 12:59)

12am (midnight) and subsequent counts were carried out as per standard, sometimes involving Lieutenants in “control.”
Officer could not specifically recall individuals present during every count, relying on memory and possible documentation.
She emphasized that most counts and calls, especially in the Special Housing Unit (SHU), were logged and reported by number (“the count was accurate”).

Notable Procedure:
Count verifications are recorded, timesheeted, and filed for every day of the year, suggesting procedural regularity amidst scrutiny.

Quote:

“There are folders… with count verification timesheets for every day of the calendar year. That is correct.”
- Unnamed Officer, (11:34)

5. Clarification of “R&D” vs. “Custody” Roles on Those Days

(12:30 – 13:20)

R&D (Correctional Systems) is a separate, non-custody department; “Internal” or Custody work is overtime for her.
On August 9th and 10th, she was working in Custody, not her normal R&D post.
Supervisory structure clarified: would only know direct supervisor by checking the roster, but typically reported to one supervisor during that shift.

Notable Quotes & Moments (With Timestamps)

On Surveillance Limitations:

“At that time we didn’t have cameras on the ranges so you could only see the center... you're not able to see down the actual ranges.”
- Unnamed Officer, (07:51)
On Record-Keeping and Verification:

“There are folders… with count verification timesheets for every day of the calendar year. That is correct.”
- Unnamed Officer, (11:34)
On Recollection and Documentation:

“If it's on the roster and it’s on my timesheet, most likely, yes.”
- Unnamed Officer, (12:05)

Important Timestamps

01:31 — Capucci skips to the content: identity, credentials, and education of the unnamed officer.
04:37 — Explanation of the officer’s R&D responsibilities.
05:21 — Discussion of specific shifts and overtime on August 9–10, 2019.
07:51 — Description of Control 1 post and surveillance limitations.
09:56 — Reporting procedures during counts, including lack of memory for every detail.
11:34 — Confirmation of daily record-keeping practices and count sheets.

Episode Tone & Approach

The conversation maintains a methodical, fact-seeking tone—Capucci acts as a facilitator, helping listeners parse through procedural details while frequently clarifying police jargon. The unnamed officer is focused but sometimes hesitant, highlighting the time passed since the events and frequent reliance on official records over memory. The tone is earnest, professional, and emphasizes transparency.

Closing & Next Steps

The episode concludes with Capucci noting a follow-up (Part 2) will pick up where this interview leaves off, aiming to further dissect the operational reality at MCC during Epstein's incarceration and death. All documents cited or referenced are noted as available in the episode’s description box for listeners who want to do their own research.

For listeners: This episode provides a granular look at official process and human limitations in a high-profile investigation. The explanations are measured and grounded, with clarity around what is procedure, what is memory, and where the limits of both lie.

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What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to take a look at the interview from the R D correctional officer from MCC and her interview with the OIG inspectors. All right, so we're going to skip the whole swearing in part and we're just going to pick up with her answering the questions. Question I want to again clarify. This interview is specifically regarding inmate Jeffrey Epstein on August 9th and 10th, 2019. I'm going to go through some background questions. What's your current home address? Answer My current home address? Question yeah. Answer why is that relevant for this? One of the other investigators jumps in. You don't have to provide that. If you have anything, any kind of like a PIV card you can show us just so we can verify who it is that you are? Answer. You know what? I left it at my desk. Question that's okay. Do you mind providing us your date of birth and the last four, your Social Security number? Answer yeah, redacted is my date of birth and the last four of my Social Security. What's Your highest level of education? A master's degree. Okay, and what? Inspector General Investigations, Fraud, Abuse of Corrections. Organizational Assessment and Monitoring. You know more about this stuff than us then which college? John J. And what about bachelor's? My bachelor was Correctional Administration. Question, what did you do prior to working for the bop? The other investigator jumps in. Ask her about where this stuff was and when she got these degrees. Answer, I got my master's in 2017. I got my BA and I believe 2006. Question also from John J. Answer yeah. Question okay, and what? So prior to working for the BoP, what did you do? Answer Juvenile corrections. Question, where? Answer Virginia. Question, Is that with the state or the city? Answer yeah, State. Department of Juvenile Justice. Question, Was that directly before the bop? Answer yeah. Question what years? They can be approximate. Answer Approximately, I think 2006 or 2007 to 2009 when I started here. Question okay, do you have any military service? Answer no. Question. And how long have you served with the Federal Bureau of prisons? Answer approximately now, 2009. 2019 is 10 years. 2021. I'm going on 11 and a half years. 11 and a half years. And when was your enter on duty date? 9, 13, 2009. When did you graduate from BOP training? I don't remember that. When did you begin your career here at MCC? March of 2011. And what was your position at that point? Correctional Officer. What is your composition? Correctional systems Officer. And what's your regular schedule right now? 12, 8, Monday, Friday. What does your position entail? What is that? Receiving and discharge R D, by the way, movement. I deal with state risk, federal risk, detainers, pending charges, warrants, what else? And that's outside of custody? Yeah. Question okay. What's your grade level? GS8. Question 8. Okay. What was your position on August 9 and 10, 2019? I was a correctional systems officer, but I was working overtime in custody. I don't even know what day that is. Question. August 9th is a Friday and August 10th is a Saturday. I can provide you the dailies and the roster for MCC. And that's for August 9th and 10th. If you look at that, you'll be able to. He gets cut off by the other investigator provider. Also, the timesheet. Is this your timesheet for the same time period? I normally write everything on a calendar, but looks like my timesheet. So the timesheet is for August 4th all the way to August 17th for the 9th. Where does this timesheet show that you worked this? It doesn't show where you're working. It Just shows the hours you've worked. Question Is it coded under a certain entry and it looks like her lawyer jumps in here. Well just ask her. Do you know by looking at these documents, do you know where on August 9th and 10th you were working? This is not an I got you whatsoever. Just like do you recall on August 9th indiscernible working. Actually it's not her lawyer. It's the other investigator. The problem is these names are redacted. So it takes a little bit to discern who is who sometimes. So it doesn't look like she has a lawyer with her and that it's actually the other investigator who's jumping in. Answer well I know that this is a custody overtime code for the overtime sheets. She gets cut off by the investigator if it doesn't state that's okay. Answer it's possible because I do. I was working a lot of overtime so. But I can't recall off the top of my head but I know I did work the evening of the Epstein situation. So. Question when you say evening. Answer the morning that he hung himself. Question okay, so According to the August 10th schedule, find yourself on the schedule. What were you listed for? Answer Control 1. Question Control 1. Okay, do you recall being interviewed by recall interviewing with the OIG regarding the Epstein investigation in 2019? Answer I remember being interviewed. Question okay, what I have is a summary of the report written by the FBI. Was the FBI also present? Answer yes. Question we did get a copy of it because the OIG was present for the interview. Also I'm going to read a portion of the interview record for you. The other investigator. Does it state when she worked on August 9th or 10th that might help clarify things. Question for the 10th it does and so I'm going to read it as I read through it. It's just a summary for the record. Please tell me if there's any corrections and let me know and we'll address it. Controls duties including monitoring the activity on the range, answering calls from COs, replying on the radio and opening doors monitoring you. At that time we didn't have cameras on the ranges so you could only see the center which is like they consider it the MPA multi purpose area of the unit. So you're not able to see down the actual ranges of the units. So no, I wouldn't say the ranges. I would say the multi purpose area Question Multi purpose area of the ranges and redacted. Did I pronounce it right? Stated that no one is really moving anywhere within the institution. Account sheet is called the E1 and and it is printed from the internal MCC system called Sentry Control Validates all respondent numbers from the head, counts and marks an x on the E1 sheet to confirm the count. This happens for every check of every unit. E1s are supplemented with count slips and are properly filled out and stapled to the E1 timesheet. Once all headcount numbers are verified to be correct, everything is documented, right recorded and then considered to be a good count. Redacted began her shift on August 10th at 12 midnight to 8am redacted stated that Lt. Redacted took care of the 12 o' clock that day. I'm going to pause right here. I'm going to ask you a question. Do you recall coming on a shift that day?
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