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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed R&D Officer From MCC (Part 4) (5/9/26)
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An unnamed correctional officer assigned to the Receiving and Discharge unit at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York was interviewed by the Department of Justice Office of Inspector General on July 15, 2021 as part of the federal...
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What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're going to dive right back into the interview given by the unnamed R d officer from McCarthy to the OIG inspectors. Question okay, so for these people that were on this pre remove, does that mean at 8:38 pre remove that he was taken off of the institutional account? Answer yes. Question okay, and is there I do see a few pre removes on there though. Answer huh? Question Is there anybody on there that went to court that wasn't listed as a pre removed? I don't know. Question you can't tell by looking at that. All right, so that basically doesn't tell us anything about him being WAB or not. Answer right. I can't tell you who went to court. Question okay, we just need to get that court list. So just to clarify, some of that list as pre remove can come back. Answer can't. Question Can C a N they could come back to the institution. Answer if he got another charge and the marshals brought him back. Question but okay, so if there is a pre remove that means he's gone and he's not expected to come back. Answer Correct. Question okay, all right, I did miss that. All right, so when you list them as pre remove he's going to court, he's not expected to come back. Answer Correct. Question so at 8:38 remember Reyes was gone and not expected to return? Answer yes. Question okay, now is the marshal supposed to send over a confirmation that he's not coming back because you mentioned something about they being keyed as something different when they are officially gone, like they're off the books. Answer no, this would be officially off the books of pre remove. But what the question was would I know at the time was he wabc? I would only know that if I looked at the court list at the time then I can determine that. Okay, yeah, we keyed him out that way because he was leaving with all of his belongings or no, we keyed him out that way because we got a disposition later and it stated that he wasn't coming back. I can't just say just by looking at this, oh well we keyed him out that way because he was wab. Now I can look at this GCT release and this full term release or the treaty transfer and tell you that these were guys that were getting full term release from the jail and they were not coming back but and I can also say that he's not coming back but I can't tell you why he was pre removed. I don't know the circumstances of why he was pre removed. I would have to go back to his folder, look in his folder, pull up his documents of why they keyed him out. I can't just say oh yeah because he left with all of his belongings all oh it was court I can't she gets cut off by the investigator so you can't tell that but you can tell 838 he left and was not expected to return Answer Yes Question okay, so that's basically the same thing. So anybody that knew that Reyes was gone at 8:38 like he was new was very unlikely to return. Answer Everybody don't have everybody doesn't have a look at this so if you don't have a reason to look at this you have not going to look at it and everybody she gets cut off by the investigator. But anybody that had for whatever reason you used to code him out like that they would have had the court list and they would have had the same they would have known the reason why he was leaving though correct? Answer right Question and that he wasn't expected to return Answer Right Question so okay, so not specifically that document but what you used to key him out they would know Answer Huh? Question so okay, so based upon the fact that he was pre removed by R D, for instance the unit he came from, the special housing unit, they should have known he left and he was very likely not returning Answer they wouldn't know that the officers on the unit would not know that Question Even if they had the court list and that's where they're grabbing them from. Answer if let me tell you something, I'm trying to figure out how to say this. Everybody that reads a document they don't know what they're reading. Question okay Answer Everybody that pulls up sentry does not know how to read a sentry document. So I can't say yes that they should know that or no Question if they knew how to read the court list they would know Answer yes, I got you. I mean you can't certainly say he knew that because you don't even know who we're talking about Answer right Question But I'm just saying like the information would have been on there if they knew how to interpret it. Answer yeah Question okay, we might have covered this already but if we wanted to go back and retrieve that court document, like get a copy. What's the best way we can do that? Answer, you probably need to get with the marshals because they're the ones that create the list that they sent to us in order for production. Question you aware if they retain it or not? Answer I don't know nothing about what they do with their list. Question no problem. Now, after reviewing that, do you know if that deli log, if the court document, the court list is used to update the lieutenant's log? Answer yeah. Question and the deli log. Answer Right. Question okay, we covered this and the deli log, the entries that are made on it, is it made at the time it's keyed in or is it can it be edited later? Answer when you say edited, what do you mean? Question can someone go in a couple hours later and key in saying, hey listen, this Person left at 8:38? Answer I don't think so, because everybody that actually you have a certain time frame to key inmates in and you have a certain time frame to key inmates out. Question and what's that time frame? Answer if inmates but sometimes in R D, we don't always get to sit down at the computer right then and there and key them out because we're dealing with marshals, we're walking out with one guy, we still have somebody else we might have to strip out. We're dealing with this. We're dealing with the phone. When an inmate's being released, you're supposed to key them out right then and there. But you have to do a minimum of at least I think it's an hour or two hours to key somebody in that's coming in to the institution. But like I said, just looking at this, it just tells you the time he was keyed out. I don't know if he was picked up earlier and already taken to the courthouse, then he was keyed out pre removed after? I can't answer that. I don't know. I can't answer that question. Now, thinking back to the possibility that you were working in R D that day, do you recall if he was removed or not that day and what time he was removed? Answer I don't recall. I just know that when they talked about the inmate, they brought up the inmate and that's when, you know, we realized, oh, that was the guy that went to court and didn't come back. Question where can the daily log be found or accessed? Answer sentry Question and who would have access to it? Answer Mainly everybody in the institution. Question Everyone can access it. Can everyone make changes on it? No, you can't make changes on this question. Who can make changes on that? You cannot make changes to this question. So that is basically the keyed in information. This is like a tracker. It just shows you all the moves and when it was moved, when the person was moved. So this you cannot just change. Only thing you can do is put in what you want. It's just a log. It just pulls up a log. So this is not nothing you can change? No. Question. What about the lieutenant's log? Who would have access to that? Answer the lieutenants question. Does anyone else have access? Maybe the captain. Where can it be accessed from? The Lieutenant's office? Question. Can it be accessed from control? I don't know about now, but at that time, no. Question. Okay. Do you recall if you reviewed the daily log that day? No, I don't remember. Question. And based on that it shows that inmate Reyes is pre remove as per your understanding. That means that he left the institution and he's not coming back. Okay. Do you utilize the daily log as part of your job every day? Yes. And how do you utilize it? To make sure that I key the inmate out that's out of the institution. So account for how many inmates I keyed out. That's what I use it for in R and D. Okay. And you're not sure what shift you work, but you believe that you worked in r d between 8 and 4 or 12 and 8? Answer, 8 to 4. Or maybe I was only working two shifts at the time. I'm doing 12 to 8 now. But it might have been 8 to 4 or 2 to 10. One of those two hours between those two shifts. Because at one point I only strictly work the evening shift. So when the inmates leave through R and D, do you normally see them leaving through rd? Yes. Do you recall having a conversation with Reyes at all? I couldn't tell you if I spoke with that man or not. I speak to so many inmates, I don't know. Well, the better question is if you indiscernible. I couldn't even tell you what he looks like. Question. That's my next question. So you wouldn't happen to know who Reyes. He gets cut off by the guard. I only would know who he is by IDing him his name and his number and his ID card when he comes on down. There are so many inmates in here. I don't know. Question. Now, when did you become aware of Reyes being moved from the mcc officially? Became aware? I think when he spoke about when they. When it was you know, rumored that the inmate, oh, they put him in a cell by himself. And when I heard about that, you know, I was like, oh, well, no, his actual bunky just didn't come back from court. Question when did you hear about this? Was it the same day? Was it in the evening? Answer no, it was around the same time when all the commotion was going on after his passing. Question so this was the next day? Answer Pretty much, yeah. Question do you recall if there was any conversation in regards to the other investigator jumps in? What is the day of his passing? The day after August 9th, I think is what you mean. Is that what you mean? Answer no. Like during the time he passed, you know, you know, a lot of people were saying, speculating, though he was a suicidal person, he was placed in a cell by himself. And that's when, you know, it was like, no, well, he did have a bunky. His cellmate went out to court. That's when we all became aware of, you know, who his cellmate was. Question. And what conversations were had with regard to the cellmate and leaving for court and not coming back at that time? Answer I don't think anyone was pretty much aware that was his cellmate that didn't come back. So I don't. It was just that the conversation was, oh, he was placed in his cell by himself. That was what was speculated. Question now, working in R and D, when inmates do not come back from court, does R and D then notify custody that these people didn't come back? How does that work? Answer the control center tracks who got keyed out. The lieutenant, they'll track who got keyed out. And that's primarily it. Question so R D never contacts either control or housing unit or the lieutenant saying, hey, these are the people that went out and these were the people that came back. These people are not coming back. Answer no question. So R D would not have notified, for instance, the shoe saying, Reyes didn't come back. Answer they would be. Not unless they called us to say that they had a bad counter, they had a miscount or something, or maybe the inmate left to court and didn't come back. But no question. Okay? Because they. A lot of people have told us that they usually get calls from R D saying, hey, this guy didn't come back. Answer There are times that we do, like if an inmate has property upstairs, we might say, hey, inmate, so and so is not coming back. Pack up his property. There have been times, yes. Question but in this case, with him being pre removed, there would have been no notification that would have been made by R D saying he didn't come back. Answer not if we didn't need to. No. Question no. So it would only be a need to, no basis, but because a lot of them were saying like, hey, he was pre removed, but we don't know if he's actually, you know, definitely removed and not coming back until about 4pm Answer right, that's true. And not even 4pm because there are times that the judges, the courts are late. Some inmates don't come back until 7, 8 o' clock at night. Answer well, they did clarify that. They said usually until 4pm and as late as 8pm but in those instances, though, RD doesn't contact whomever and say, hey, this guy didn't come back. The only people that would keep track of that would be the control center and the lieutenant's office. You know, we key them out and whatever we key out, we send down to the control center. So the control center has a copy of who was keyed out, and they kind of go in the system and check and see if the inmates were keyed out. It's like a checks and balances for the institution because you might have an inmate on the list showing that he left, but he's not keyed out of the system. So they're supposed to be like checks and balances for us upstairs as well. Question okay, so when people argue that they didn't know that Reyes wasn't definitely coming back, how did they determine and at what point do they determine he's not back? Epstein needs a new cellmate. Answer if they don't know he needs a cellmate, nobody would know. Question but if they know he, he needs a cellmate, at what point did they say, yeah, Reyes isn't coming back, we need to get him a new cellmate? Answer I couldn't tell you because you don't know if the inmate if you don't know the inmate is coming back, you don't know to say, hey, so this so and so needs a cellmate. And if you don't know, you just don't know. All right, we're going to wrap this one up right here. And in the next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.