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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed R&D Officer From MCC (Part 7) (5/10/26)
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An unnamed correctional officer assigned to the Receiving and Discharge unit at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York was interviewed by the Department of Justice Office of Inspector General on July 15, 2021 as part of the federal...
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What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right back in to the interview given by the unnamed R D officer from mcc. Question. Do you remember being present that day when she was there taking the count? Answer. I was present. Yes. Question. All right, now show her the numbers. Verse what the count looks at. Question. So E1 shows 72. Huh? Question. What does the A show? 73. You see a discrepancy. Huh? Is that a good count to you? Uh, do you recall redacted mentioning the fact that there was a discrepancy in the count? I don't recall any of that, no. Question. Do you recall her? He gets cut off by the guard because I didn't prepare the count. So I didn't. If I'm the control officer, I'm control one. So my second body is the one that's preparing the counts and taking the counts and viewing the count slips with the lieutenant who's not there. I'm in charge of the radios, the keys, you know, like account and making sure that all the equipment is accounted for, letting staff know, hey, we're on duty. We got to do pre announcement and go over equipment and stuff, all those types of things. So no, I didn't. I wouldn't be aware of this if I didn't prepare it. No. Question. So what happened was redacted, figured out. And this is where we were hoping that you can help us a little bit. And she figured out that Fernandez, who was placed in a dry cell at 3:15, was never keyed out of the shoe. However, they're still reporting because he was never keyed out. They're still reporting. 73. 73. 73. Although there's only 72 inmates in the shoe, redacted somehow figures it out. You guys don't have 73. You got 72. And then either she or someone in control or whomever keys them out. Answer. Huh? Question. And so what we want to know is, do you remember that happening or the circumstances around that? Answer no. Question no you don't. Does this tell you anything about if these counts were conducted the 4pm and the 10pm and the 12am this just shows that this was conducted. Question no, not the E1s. The counts in the shoe. The count slips if the counts were wrong. Question so all of them are saying 73, although there's only 72 people. Fernandez leaves at 3:15. So knowing that you work in the shoe, you work in rd and also you can look at the he gets cut off again. Well and to that she gets cut off by the guard. So these R and D slips show that there is one person in there. Answer is this nine south. Question nine south. So what does that mean? So R and D so on this here, the midnight one. Right. And also just please take note of the checks that are all over them. There's no checks on these two. So. And that's the 10pm we're looking at. So we're just trying to piece this thing together. Answer Normally I'm just going to from my experience when I've had a one, it's because it's WITSEC inmate that we could not key in because only certain individuals have the authority and capacity to key those individuals in. So if I got an inmate and Chu that's a WITSEC and staff can't key him in until maybe the unit manager of the WITSEC unit comes in and keys him in or whatever unit team of the WITSEC unit. We would plus that one because that would show the that that's the body that's there that we cannot account for. But he's there. That would have I don't know what it is. Question do you recognize whose handwriting that is? The nine plus one. Answer no. Question okay, so do you know if it's yours by chance? Answer no, that's not she gets cut off. Definitely not yours. My assumption is that it was written at midnight but we still can't figure it out. That's what we're still trying to figure out. We would have thought that the plus one stuff would have happened at the 10pm count since we believe that's when Reyes was keyed in. He was keyed in on the 10th for the 9th because not Reyes. I'm sorry Fernandez normally when a lieutenant checks off the slips, it's because they're verifying that it's the unit. It's the accurate count. It's the accurate date, time and staff signature print of two staff members. That's normally how lieutenant would Mark off account slip to verify that. Question Is that telling to you at all that the fact that these aren't checked off Answer I don't know why they aren't checked off. I couldn't tell you why. I don't know. Question but those plus ones, aside from possibly a WITSEC type of thing, would that make sense with whether it would be a plus one on R D and a plus one on za? Answer Minus not unless they're the only thing I can gather is that they're saying that this plus one is the inmate that's still keyed to Shu but is sitting in R D. That's the only thing she gets cut off by the investigator, and that would be my assumption too, is that they're saying there are 73 bodies in the shoe, plus one who's actually an R D, but that 73 is still off. So I guess what the question would be is the fact that they're using the number that control has, although they only have 72 in their actual housing unit. Answer Can I just read this again? Question Absolutely. It also tells us that. Or I won't say what it tells us, but I just want to know what it tells you. Answer yeah, I don't see okay, now you had gave me you had another log question the 5pm answer didn't you have two logs? Question so there was another one, but that yeah, there's one from August 10th. Okay, but I didn't show you Answer no, you showed me something with Lieutenant Perez. Question I know that's in one. Answer oh Question but this is evening watch. There's a day watch end a night Answer okay, so his ending was 72 and he has this guy up here and this is 10 o'. Clock, this is 9 o'. Clock. Question so you want the 10pm count answer yeah. Question here's the 10pm count. Answer okay, so this is the 10 o' clock count. Okay, so he's not keyed into R D. So this is where your plus one is. So he still is showing in special housing, but he's in R and D during the 10 o' clock count. So this is what makes your 73. This is the 10 o' clock question but is that also weird though, that this count cleared with R and D slip R and D1 that's never checked off. There's nothing on the E1 for R D. Hm. Okay, this is acting on way before clock one. Question before clock one, the one we initially showed you where he's also never keyed in and it Is our belief, per the person who said that they keyed him in, it was done after midnight. Are you allowed to count an inmate that you can't see? Answer no. Question. If inmate Fernandez was moved from the shoe at 3:15pm who should have counted him as part of their account slip? Answer at 3:15. Question yeah, he was moved at 3:15 and. And the 4:00pm count was a shoe that should have counted them on the count slip or was it supposed to be R D? Answer. Well, to be honest with you, because I work in R D and I'm going to tell you what goes on. They drop inmates in there and they don't a lot of the time staff. That's why now we tell them. Tell us what you're bringing inmates down here for. Because they would bring an inmate down to the place. That inmate in a cell, you won't know because you're dealing with the marshals. You, you're dealing with whatever movement you have going on in R D and you won't know that they brought in an inmate down to a cell. So it could work both ways that, you know, maybe they figured they were just going to place him down there, keep him down there, and then maybe bring him back upstairs. So it could have been a number of things. But I just know from experience inmates have been brought into R D that we weren't aware of. And we realized walking around R and D you. Yeah, we got an inmate in here. What's he down here for?
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Question. So this for Me Personally, the E1 isn't as concerning on the 4pm, although the count slip is because R D, it was close to 4. It's to the 10. So this is where I start getting like. Because there is no R and D count slip. Although there's an. There's an R D slip in this one that's never checked off, but it also has no E1 notification. So that. And to me it seems like the count slips were created after the fact or manipulated or deleted or something. I don't know. Answer I don't know either. Wait a minute, I just want to see. So at 4 o' clock they had 75 question. But technically at that point they were missing three inmates. Reyes had gone, Fernandez was moved, and Epstein was sitting in an attorney conference. Answer. Okay, but where's the attorney conference? Oh, here it is. So this is attorney conference right here. This is the counselor for the attorney conference question. That would say saddy on top. Okay, Answer. Yeah, so this is the attorney conference question, right? That's the one. This is all the inmates out to court with the Southern District. Is it? So, yeah, physically present in the shoe at 4pm was the 75. I mean 74. Not indiscernible. Although they reported 75 because of Fernandez was indiscernible. Epstein accounted for in the attorney conference. But this is an outcount question. Correct? Answer. And he's keyed out on the outcount. And this is where it shows he's actually sitting in key two at the time. So this shows that he's in attorney conference. Question. Right Answer. Because he's keyed out on the outcount to the attorney conference. And what I was expressing to you guys earlier about the courts, how he used to do it. Indiscernible. Maybe it's a couple Indiscernible. Okay, this is what we used to do in R D as far as the outcount. So this would say the inmate outcounts name, register number, what unit and cell he came from and how many for from whatever his unit is. So if we had three out from that unit to court, it would be three or whatever. How many numbers. And this is how we would. This is what we would show in the system that the inmate went out to court that day. Question. And that's an inmate you're expecting back. Answer. Right? Question. So if Reyes is not on there, does that mean that Reyes is gone and you're not expecting him back? Well, if he was keyed out at 8, what did that say? 8:33 question 838. Yeah. Then he wouldn't show up on this as an outcount because that means he's keyed out, he's gone. Okay, so people that are going to court, that are expected to come back would be on that sheet. Answer Right, but we don't. She gets cut off by the investigator. But Reyes was not expected to come back. Answer Right. And from the looks of this, I didn't work that shift. That wasn't my shift. Question. Yeah, no, we didn't believe it was you might have left beforehand. Answer I might have left. This might have been the day shift and I might have worked the evening shift. So I might have worked. I don't know. But I just know that I wasn't dealing with the courts, the movement at that time just from looking at the outcount. All right, folks, we're going to wrap this episode up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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