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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed R&D Officer From MCC (Part 8) (5/11/26)
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An unnamed correctional officer assigned to the Receiving and Discharge unit at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York was interviewed by the Department of Justice Office of Inspector General on July 15, 2021 as part of the federal...
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Q U-E-S-T.com Spinquest is a free to play social casino void where prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details. Want to be a star? No problem. Anyone can shine on TikTok. Post your first video today. Real life, real story, real you download Tick tock and get started. What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're diving right back into that interview given by the unnamed R D officer from MCC to the OIG inspectors. Question. Okay, so now that we know that the count was off over here and that the 10pm count according to the lieutenant's log says 72, but 10pm says 73 plus one. Right. And now R and D is actually reporting that there is an inmate in there, except they're still reporting 73 1. And then at midnight, where is the midnight? It says 72 over here. And the count slip shows 73. What does that tell you about the counts that were done in the shoe? Question by the other investigator? What he's asking if there's only 72 people in there and they're reporting 73 and it just so happened to coincide and this one, and you need to know that background information, they reported 73 and the ops lieutenant who took the count found it was actually only 72 made the change is and changed out and keyed out. Fernandez. So what redacted is asking you is the fact that they reported 73 on all of these. Does that indicate anything to you about the counts? If they were done or were they not done? Answer yeah, this looks like someone wasn't paying attention because this what does this look like to you? Question well, that's what I was going to ask. What is RA Answer RA is where the guy is sitting in a dry cell. Question Is that R D? Answer yeah, so he was. So because it's now the 12 o' clock count and it's prior to the count, they can go ahead and key him in where he's actually assigned. So it seems that during the 10 o' clock count he was still keyed to the shoe. So what was it? Plus one or something? So now at 12 o' clock because he wasn't keyed there at 10 o'. Clock. They keyed him in there now because the 12 o' clock count was, which is correct and accurate and what they should have done. But now he's plus one. He's here where he should be, where he stated on this notification. Right. So that's accurate. But if he's no longer there, they should have been putting what's here? Question. Right. Answer. Because he's not plus one up there. No more. Question. Yeah, so this one is clearly that they're off. These guys though are still even with the 73 plus 1. It should have been 72 plus 1. If they're trying to say we got one outside, it shouldn't be 73 plus 1. They're utilizing the same number, it looks like on the E1. Somehow it seems that they're or they had that number, that base count number and they knew we need this as the number we need to report. But also we got a plus one over in the R and D. So they're still off in their account. The that indicate to you that they didn't actually conduct the count, that they just used the number that they thought they were supposed to report. Answer. It doesn't indicate that they didn't count. Question. Because if they counted, wouldn't that have been the right number? Answer. Sometimes you can count stuff. She gets cut off by the investigator. But wouldn't it be really coincidental if they miscount at the exact number that they were supposed to actually provide? They definitely miscounted. But there are 72 people in there and they just happen to miscount exactly what the E1 shows that they were supposed to count. It's a coincidence. And the fact that it happened twice in a row, what does that tell you? The other investigator jumps in? No, three times in a row. Answer. I'm not going to answer that question. Well, based on your experience, right, your experience of working in control or working in R and D, what do you think happened? Do you think that they did the count or not? I mean, how would they have gotten that number that they were supposed to report? Answer. By probably just looking in their log and seeing. Okay, when you take over my post, oh, we got 72 guys, one's in R and D, but they still got him keyed out to our unit based on maybe what someone told them. Question. And when you worked in the unit at midnight, do you remember this being an issue at all? Because this is where we're told the ops lieutenant who took the Count redacted. She had to run around and try to figure this thing out. She's the one who had to like, come in and say, like, okay, where, who's. Who's what where? And I can verify this. Do you remember that at all? Answer no. Question do you remember any telephone calls with the shoe saying you got a bad count, you. You got to recount? Answer no. If she's taking the count, I let her deal with it and I work on whatever else. Question okay, so you're not actually involved with her while she's doing the doing it? Answer no. Question okay, and you wouldn't have been being that you came from R and D. You wouldn't have been the person that she said, hey, can you verify with R and D that this person is there? Answer if she asked me and that's what I did then, but I don't recall that Question doing that. Okay, you don't remember at all though, in that specific. You do. Did you recall her being there at all? Answer yeah, she was there. Question so you remember her being in the control center? Answer huh? Question and you he gets cut off by the guard because she also made rounds on the unit, she walked around the institution. Question all right, and then as far as being keyed in and out, so I guess it's he BP 38. Would that show when Fernandez was actually keyed in and out of the system on August 10th? Answer Fernandez, the guy from she gets cut off by the investigator. So Fernandez315, who was never keyed out. He wasn't keyed out. Answer the dry cell guy. Question yeah. Answer yeah, it would show on 38. Question on 38 it would actually show what time? Answer huh. Question and how do we get to that? Just to make a note, redacted Question okay, so we wouldn't even be able to get it at this point. Hopefully that day maintained it. Answer well, sentry only goes back 45 days. So you're talking about this document? Answer yeah. Question now if they did save these documents back then, would we be able to see when he was keyed in? Answer yeah. Question and if it's not saved? Answer it only goes back 45 days. Question okay, all right, so that will be very telling as well, if we can get that before we start taking everything away. There's an issue with initials being that I showed you these. Can you just initial at the top? Do you know anything about counts not actually being conducted at this time in August of 2019? No. Question when you would work on the custody side of the house, would you be involved in things like counts? If I'm counting a unit with an officer, yeah. Or if I'm the one taking the count, yes. Question, did you ever do any counts in the shoe? Answer, I've done counts in the shoe. Question. You have? Answer. But she gets cut off. And when you were there, did they actually conduct the counts? Answer, when I do counts, I conduct counts. Yeah. Question. Yeah, yeah, but I mean, I'm not talking about you. I know you did, but I mean, the people that you were there with, were they actually, you know, you're supposed to have two people to count. Was the other person also counting? Answer. Well, if I have, if I'm working, yeah, counting. It's not a question. We're not even having that conversation. So. Question. Did you ever have anybody push back on you? Like. No, no, no, we're good. Answer. No. Question. Have you heard of people who, when they're starting the shift, just filling out the count slips and the round sheets and be like ahead of time? Answer. Well, if they're on their own unit, I can't tell you what they're doing on their unit. I can tell you what I'm doing on my unit. Question. But like in the shoe, have you ever heard of like people coming in and filling out both count slips and round sheets at the very start of their shift? Answer, if they've done that, I've never seen it. Question. You've never seen it? Have you ever heard of people doing anything like that? Answer, I've heard of it, but I've never seen it. Is that a good practice? Answer. No. Question. Is it known that you can't do that? You're not supposed to do that? Does everyone know that they can't? Especially if we're talking about round sheets. Does everyone know that you can't go and say it goes from 8am until 12pm you can't go in at 8am and write out everything you did for all around all the way to 12pm Answer. You can't do that because anything can happen. An emergency can take place. An inmate could get removed from your unit, you could get a new guy. And there is a number of things that could take place that you're not supposed to. Even your logbook pre fill out your log.
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Question Is there any training though that you all receive? Saying anything, you got to do this when you're actually conducting the rounds and certainly, you know, maybe after the fact is okay because you already did it, but beforehand. Answer maybe if the lieutenant sees it, you know, they might say hey, you know you're not supposed to pre fill out your count slips. They might say, you know, you can fill out the dates, the time, the unit, you might could even fill out the name, but you're not supposed to put in the actual number because you don't know what can happen. Question so as far indiscernible talking about count slips. I'm talking about round sheets. Oh no, you're not supposed to. They always tell you, the lieutenants, they always say that you're not supposed. They always tell everybody that. Question and do you know if back In August of 2019 they were also saying that no, I don't know about that. And is there any training that's provided to teach people how to actually fill out round sheets and count slips? Or. Or is it supposed to be common sense. Question. Normally you're training on the job and as you go along. So if I'm new and you know I'm training up under your officer, you might show me certain things. And people just learn by asking questions and maybe another officer just showing them the ropes. And everybody don't do everything the way they're supposed to do. So I might come in as a new officer and you might be showing me stuff, and it could be completely wrong, but I'm doing what you showed me because that's all I know. So it just depends on who's training who and who's showing who what to do. And that's pretty much it. Because on the job right now we have new staff training and new staff. We have staff that's here like a month, training staff that's here a week. So the blind leading the blind. Question, so if someone makes the excuse that no one ever told me that I could do that, but I saw other people filling out round sheets and ahead of time, so that's why I did it, is that an excuse, do you believe? So you think that that was an actual excuse to say like, well, he did it, so I did it. And that makes it okay? Because don't you think it's pretty common sense that no, you can't, you're certifying a document saying you conducted that round at that time? Answer yeah, common sense to the people that think outside the box. But common sense is not common to everybody. And I'm not trying to be a smart ass, you know. Question no, it's a good point. Answer. And you know, I've been doing law enforcement for a while, you know, corrections, juveniles, school safety. So I've seen things on the job that make me take my job very seriously. But when you have no knowledge, you have no experience, no correctional background, you've never been placed in an environment that you felt was that dangerous for you to be as mindful as you should be. And you don't, then nothing happens. You follow what you see everybody else doing in past practice, and it's not always right. And a lot of people don't read what they're supposed to be doing. They just go by what you tell them. And what I could tell you what to do doesn't necessarily mean that that's actually what you're supposed to be doing. Question sure. Answer and if you don't read it in black and white for yourself, how would you know that this is actually what you should be doing? And it's just a lack of training around here. Staff are not being trained, and that's what creates a lot of our problems. We don't have bad institution. We just have a lack of training, you know, And I don't think that people are willing to work. I think they want to work, but it's a lack of training and it's a lack of morale in the institution. So I think that's what the biggest problem is. People are not being properly trained. So, yeah, if I see you doing it, I think it's okay. I'm not ever thinking, oh, you know what? Maybe I shouldn't do that. Something might happen if nothing ever really happens to me. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next episode, we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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