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Inside The OIG Interview: The Warden's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 10) (4/12/26)
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Lamine N'Diaye, in his interview with the Office of the Inspector General, essentially tried to turn the Metropolitan Correctional Center into a scapegoat while positioning himself as a bystander to its failures. He leaned heavily on the narrative...
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What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right back in to the interview by MCC's former warden with the OIG inspectors question. Now what about in this case, whereas you actually weren't working that day, should they have called you? Yeah, whoever was the acting warden question that would make the determination. She would have made the determination. Who was the acting warden that day? Do you know? I don't know if I left redacted or redacted as the acting question. One of those two. It would be one of those two and it wouldn't be the redacted answer. No, he's the executive assistant question. Now what's the difference between like an executive assistant and an A W answer? The Associate Warden is GS14 and the executive assistant is a 13 question. Okay, so they're not. He gets cut off by the warden. No question. But what is the executive assistant just mainly to assist you in your functions Answer. He assists in the functions. I had also given him some other departments to monitor. Question Mm. Answer so they manage also those other apartments. And now one of the other investigators jumps in and asks a question of the warden. I just got a question. I don't know if you may be asked him about the backup list. Was there a backup list of names? Answer for Question I think we did talk about it, but if Reyes, he gets cut off. When we talked about it, if Reyes was removed because the institution always has people coming and going so frequently. Was there like a list that was set in place that we would now consider these people or would it be just a whole new he gets cut off by the warden? No, because we would have to base it on who was there. Question okay. Answer because of the turnover in the unit. Question all right, now we're going to get into counts. So this is an email sent from you to Mr. Redacted. It's the count slip four. It was sent on Saturday, August 10, 2019 at 5:11pm this shows the A is the shoe correct Answer Right. Question so this says at a 10 it shows that the count for ZA was 73 signed by Michael Thomas and Ms. Noel. Answer yeah. Question and it says that the count was done, it looks like at 12:01am and then we get to the next one and that's at 3am it goes down to 72. At 5am there is 72. And here is the count, the institutional count. It shows 72. And at what time 12:00am or no, this one is 3:00am I don't know why this is all out of order. 5:00am so at 12 this says 72. Answer I think that was just an attachment to the email that you sent. Question so but as you know, as you notice, one of them said so the count slip said 73412 over the institutional count. And as you see here, 4:12am it said 72. And to that, Mr. Hayes, the lawyer for the warden, jumps in. By the institution, you mean the shoe. Question no, the institution, the warden. It means the hole question. MCC does account and it's the official count question. The shoe these counts slips are supposed to be actually, you can answer my question. What's supposed to be the difference between what happens with the count slip and what happens with the institutional count? So I'm not answering your question. Answer so what happens is on the shift you call the count and the different units call in the count to control center. Question and how do they get that count number Answer from counting. They have to go around and count. Question Physically counting an inmate, you have to physically count the bodies. Question and then they take the total amount of inmates and they call that into the control center. They call it into the control center. Question and where does the control center get their numbers from? This is what's called an E1, which is a print out of the number of inmates in each unit. Question Right. Answer so if in an instance, for example, we look at the BA unit, so they're supposed to be 26 in there. If somebody calls it in there, they say it says 25, they tell me it's a bad count, so they have to go back and count again. Question so the E1 is created based upon what inmates are listed within your system? Answer Right. Question the count slips are based upon how many inmates they actually count. Answer what they count. Question and the purpose of that is what? Why are the inmates counting inmates and why are they providing that number to control? Answer so we make sure every inmate is in the institution. Question the accountability of the inmates. Correct? Answer yes. Question Great. So does that answer your question, the other investigator? Yep. Question so the next email is sent about one hour later at 6:13pm on August 10th. It says, why did the count change from 73 to 72 12am to 3am Answer huh. Question do you remember what your response was to that? Answer I do not. Question and then this one is another one from redacted to yourself. It says the 12am count slip reads 73 and the 12am says 72. So those kind of go together. Do you remember what your findings were there? Answer I don't remember because typically what happens on the count you are supposed to. The lieutenant is supposed to take one count at night and then review documentation. So I don't know what happened with the discrepancy. His lawyer jumps in. Mr. Hayes, I mean, this isn't really what's relevant because we noted Epstein was there. Question no, it's relevant for our investigation. All right. So if you don't mind just initialing and dating that and then we can explain to you why that's all relevant. So you don't though recall. You don't find out what actually happened? Answer I don't recall what the response is I gave. Question no. And do you remember looking into it at all? Answer when was that sent? Question that was sent the day of. The day of Epstein, that that he was found? Answer I don't because it was just too much going on that I can't really remember how I responded to them that day. Question do you remember learning anything about the accuracy or inaccuracy of the counts on the 9th and 10th? Answer what do you mean the accuracy and inaccuracy? Question like if the counts were actually accurate or not? Question I don't recall that. Answer you don't recall finding out about that? Answer no. Question did you recall did you find out if the shoe counts and rounds were not conducted by the shoe on August 9th or 10th, 2019 by the shoe staff? Answer if they did rounds or not? Question Correct. Did you find out if the shoe staff had conducted both 30 minute rounds as well as the institution counts on August 9th and 10th? Answer I don't know if it was after the fact that I was told that the officer did make the rounds and and I don't recall if it was they put it in the logbook and they made rounds, but that in all actuality it wasn't done. Question okay. Answer so that might have been something that came up afterwards. Question but you're not super, you know this, you don't really know what happened or didn't happen. Answer that day because I mean it happened that weekend. Everything was moving and then by Monday everything else had changed. Question Right. So but on the 10th or the 11th you didn't hear anything Answer I didn't hear anything about or recall anything about that. Question but had you heard that they didn't at least conduct some of their rounds and counts? Answer that they didn't? Question that they did not. Answer I don't want to use the word that. It was just, you know, an assumption, you know, like because one of them had asked them to come up and speak with but it was Thomas and he wouldn't come up. Question and this was on the 10th in the morning. Answer this was on the 10th when we got him because I wanted to speak with him because people were telling me he was distraught. So I wanted to make sure he was all right, you know, and he just, he didn't want to come up and talk. Question what are your thoughts of Thomas as an employee? Answer I've known Thomas a couple years. I never had any issues with them. You know, it was any, you know, like any other employee, you do something, I correct you on the spot and that's it. But I have never encountered him do anything, known him not to count, do his job, you know. Question what about Ms. Tova Noel? Answer she was new, so she had just gotten there. You know, she got the same spiel from me that everybody else does. You know, you're new, you can't do the things that somebody at 20 has 20 years in, they're not doing their job. You shouldn't be following it. Question and did you actually speak with her about that? Answer oh I do that in my indiscernible class when they first come in. Question okay, so that's something you would have said to everybody. Answer oh, I said it clear as day. The same thing I would say in my art class annual refresher training. Question because this is one of her excuses saying that 20 year guys, I'm following them, they're not doing it so I'm not doing it. Is that something you clearly entrust to her? Answer so here's my speech, my spiel I use to tell people I said go ahead, follow that 20 year guy and you're on probation, guess what happens, he might get some time in the street, you're getting fired. Answer and you're confident that Ms. Noel have heard that speech from you? Answer she heard that speech from me. Question okay. Answer yeah, I'm confident that's the speech I give everybody. Same thing in the art. Question okay, good enough. All right, so this is going to go back. This is just a little list that I wrote of exactly what happened and then I'll read it to you and I just want just for our purposes I'm going to show you and and you can refer to them on this one at first going to be the count on the 9th that was conducted is this 4pm is this 4pm or 5pm here? 4pm 4pm count there just signed off. Yeah, it's five. Sorry, 5 o'. Clock. 12 12. 3 and 5 answer no, no, this is afternoon Question yes. So this is Friday, so 3 and 5. So these are basically the time period in question everywhere from 4pm through the 5am count the next day on August 9th and 10th. Answer okay, question here are the lieutenant logs and these are the emails. Again I'm going just to go over these because so I'm not pulling things out of thin air, I'm here with
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