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Inside The OIG Interview: The Warden's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 11) (4/12/26)
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Lamine N'Diaye, in his interview with the Office of the Inspector General, essentially tried to turn the Metropolitan Correctional Center into a scapegoat while positioning himself as a bystander to its failures. He leaned heavily on the narrative...
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What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up where we left off with the warden from MCC and their interview with the OIG inspectors. Question now, what kind of employee is redacted? Answer Redacted. Had some issues with her. I mean, I don't want to, you know, everything that is going on is an allegation. So I don't want to go speaking on allegations that I have sent up. Question Was she a problem employee then? Answer I had some issues, yeah. Question Any reason why she's believed that she might be involved with Epstein and his death? Answer oh, no, I wouldn't put it as far as that. I mean, but it's just. I wouldn't and I don't know. Mr. Hayes pipes in again, but he's cut off. That's why I went over. Can you rephrase your question? Like what are we saying? Question yeah, I mean I'm going all the way to. I just ramped it up to 100 miles an hour. I'm just saying all the way to probably. Could you. Was there any reason to believe that she could be potentially involved with this? Answer. As far as doing him harm? Question. Keeping his cell door open and letting another cell door open for someone else, you know? Answer I wouldn't. I wouldn't see that. Question no. Answer I couldn't see that. No. Question no reason to believe it would go that far. Just maybe insubordination is the highest that she goes. Answer yeah, I would, you know, she has the allegations up. I know you guys were seeing the allegations, so. Yeah, but I wouldn't go that far. Hayes well, is she in a position to do something like that? The warden Answers what Hayes to leave the door open or something like that? Question she does Lieutenant Rounds. Answer yeah. Question she's the ops lieutenant, Hayes. She's in a position to do that. Answer. But remember when you're going down range and the range door keys, you can't have both. Somebody have to let her down there. Question okay. Answer. And those keys. Those keys go down. Question. Question do you know if she was particularly friendly with either Noel or Thomas? Answer I don't know what the relationship was. She was the shift lieutenant, so I don't know what the relationship was. Who she had indiscernable for the 8th. I just realized we might not have the daily log for it. Question Fortunately I brought backups of different things. So I think I got the 9th and the 10th is in there. Hayes. I keep looking at this pile I think those effing sons of are working hard. Question I don't think the ninth is in there. Just the tenth. Answer no, no, it's the second set. Question no, that's the tenth. Answer no, the dates are the following date. Sorry, can I see them? I just want to confirm with that Question of course. Yeah, yeah. Okay. That's August 9th. Okay, great answer that's the previous date that we don't have. Question all right. All right. So what did you want to see? Answer I wanted to see that 9261 question yes, so that is. And this is what we're going to show you is the count numbers. That's what we're getting to next. Answer Wait, which is the one question so this is from Friday, August 9th. Answer okay, this is what time? This is just. It says just morning watch. But is it saying the 10th? The other investigator pipes in. So it was the email was sent out on the 10th morning. Right. Answer so she was working her shift. Yeah, but this is August 9th. Question they sent it out the day after. Answer Epstein is back. Question so this is the one. This is the one sent out on Sunday, August 11th for the day prior starting Saturday, August 10th. Answer no, I get that. So she started her shift was morning watch on Friday. Okay, so she goes to 12 o'. Clock. So she's relieved by lieutenant redacted question so this is day of answer, huh? Question and this is we're going to get into. So this one is the day before August 9th when Reyes left. And we can look to see on here as well where it says so if we go to this at 8:38 on the lieutenant's log it says that Reyes is pre removed right here. Reyes to Pre Remove at 8:38am that is August 9, 2019. So we're going to go all the way down to the one thing I guess we want to look at is here we got this individual, I am Fernandez who is on dry cell with staff in R D watch. Answer Right Question from the shoe. So if you look at the count where the heck is he gets cut off by the warden. Okay, so I just want to go back to clarify something with lieutenant redacted. So we are saying this is at 9:23 she did it right. Question 926 she did it. Answer this was on the morning of the 10th, Saturday morning. This is when she sent it out. Question Correct. Like three hours after Epstein was found. Answer and this is Friday's log Question Correct. Answer and that the investigator cuts him off but that they the same thing. They all seem to be sending it out the day before. Answer the day before. And then she sent out the day before. Logs out on a Saturday. Yeah, she combined it. If you look through it, it has everything combined. It goes from morning watch to day watch to evening watch into. He gets cut off by the warden. Right, but I'm just. That should have been done the day before. Okay, question I don't think you're right, Bud. I think she's just doing the 9th the next day. Does the 10th. Answer yeah, that's right. Question yeah, no, she's not. She does the day before. Answer. She came on shift at 10pm the warden she started her shift at 10 10pm question. And worked until 6am but got relieved at 5:30. So yeah. Answer. The lieutenants were working from 10 to 10 to 6. Question correct. Because they were told that the traffic issues or something else. Answer in short. Yeah. Question so what we want to. And I want to kind of reference here is Ian Fernandez on dry cell with shoestaff and R D. Answer Right. Question and at the end of this, this shows 72. So on Aug 9, 2019 at 11:59am or Aug 10, 2019 at 12:00am there are supposed to be 72 inmates. According to this log that redacted sent out. Answer yeah. Question there's supposed to only be 72 inmates there. Answer Right. Question now look at the shift for August 10th. When the person started their shift there was 73. And the institutional logs show 12am There were or so that looks like. So there is. Let's go for za. There shows 75 at the 4pm count. The 10pm count there shows 73. And then at the midnight count there it says 72. However, the count slips. If you recall where are the count slips? It says the shoe submitted a count slip for 73 at 12am Here you go. So that is not the count. So see 12am they submit it. Thomas Noel submitted 73. Although the institutional count says 72 now not redacted. But the next one shows that the next ops lieutenant shows that 73 is what's written in this. She went back and changed 72 the day before with the 9:30. Because it was determined he gets cut off by the warden, that he was on outcount and the warden gets cut off by the investigator. And so Fernandez was never removed. So look at it shows it on this one. Shoe correction Fernandez dry cell. So at 12:35am and we do have Fernandez right here. Answer looking back Question okay, so this just Says this is what happened with him. He was found to have contraband that he was providing to a visitor in the shoe. At approximately like I think 1pm on August 9, he was moved from the shoe to dry cell. And he was never keyed out. So the institutional accounts are reflecting 73. That is what the shoe continued reporting. 73 because that is what's that according to the system was supposed to be in there. But if they had physically counted, they would have known that it was 72. Correct answer. Right question. So with this information and I guess as warden, would that suggest to you that they were not actually conducting their counts? Answer, they weren't counting. And then there is no count slip here for the inmate that was in the dry cell in R D. Question. Right answer. There should have been a counselor for him over there. So what should have happened was the inmate him, he should have been out counted in R D and then the R D you would have seen one. So there was a counselip. Whoever's sitting and watching him should have did a count slip on him. And then whoever his backup was should have done a count slip. Question. And this is from my review of everything. This is what I found. I don't want to put my words into Redacted's mouth, but let me know if this makes sense to you. It says count discrepancy on the August 9, 2019. Per the daily activity report dated August 10, 2019 and the attached lieutenant log from August 9, 2019. So that's what we're looking at here. The day begins with 77 inmates assigned to ZA or the shoe. The 5am E1 institution count respective. ZA shoe count slips. Eyes on count show 77. At 8:38am inmate Reyes is pre moved from ZA for count and taken off the lieutenant's log. The accurate ZA shoe count moves down to 76. Reyes was removed from the institution and does not and should not appear on any counts at this time. At 3:15pm inmate Fernandez was placed on RA dry cell from ZA which moves the accurate ZA count down to 75. On the lieutenant's log, the 4pm E1 shows a total of 76 inmates assigned to ZA with one in attorney conference which was Epstein. This indicates that Fernandez was not keyed out of the shoe and keyed into RA. The ZA eyes on count slip showed 75 inaccurate. It should have reflected 74 because although there was 75 inmates assigned to the shoe, Epstein was in attorney conference. There were no inmates assigned to RA on E1 institutional count and there was no count slip for RA I on count. This is where the problem begins. At 6:34pm inmate Hemingway is moved to ZA and and brings it down to 74. 6:47pm inmate is moved from ZA to ES, bringing it down to 73. At 8:21pm Felix and William move to ZA to suicide watch bringing the accurate count down to 71. At 8:28pm inmate Garcia Pina is moved from K into ZA bringing the accurate count up to 72. And then at 10pm E1 shows a total of 73 inmates assigned to the ZA but zero inmates assigned to RA the ZA eyes on count slip show 73. Oh, this is another one. I don't think we brought this. One of the counts actually shows 73 plus one. Do we have that here? Yeah. Would that this also probably be all Chinese to you? Answer that's how our account slips. That's how they look. Question Now I did a foreign language Hayes. I don't understand the. Are you talking about all these initials and this and that Question so which is interesting is all of these are as you notice crossed off. Answer right. Question so these two are not crossed off. This one says 9s plus 1. This one says 73 plus 1. The question had been when did this happen? Answer yeah. Question when did they put these plus ones or why weren't they crossed out? Answer but you can't do this is an inaccurate count slip because you're supposed to have the accurate count. You can't do this. If this is a 73 plus one, then you should have 74 on there. Question or in this case it should be 73 minus 1 because the accurate count is actually 72. Answer no, but you wouldn't write minus 1 on there. You would write the actual count on there. Question Right? Okay. Answer either it was 72 or 74, but there is no gets cut off by Hayes again who has another stupid comment. All right guys, I'm going to splash some water on my face. You guys are getting ready to kill me. Picking back up with a conversation the warden There is no such thing as a plus one question. You're not allowed to ghost count. Correct answer no. No. There should have been an outcount done so and this should have been caught whoever the shift lieutenant was because they have to, you know, on each shift conduct account and review the count slips. Question does this tell you anything though that these were crossed off and these weren't? Answer yeah, unless I don't know why he gets cut off again by the investigator. Do you think that they were Replaced at a later date. Answer I mean it gives that appearance because at first I would want to know why you crossed out. Question they crossed out because as things come in you check it off. Answer so that's what I'd want to know like whose habit is this? Like okay, what am I looking at? So basically I think it's standard practice as a control officer. Asked the other investigator Answer by the warden no. I mean I've work control and what I would do is I would do the checkoff. I'm doing this. I've never and that's people's style. Question okay. Answer that might be their style. So I just want to know this is one I believe he gets cut off by the other investigator. So then that's how redacted does it. So my question is then why isn't this done like that? I mean this if it he doesn't like this, then that's his consistent way of checking it out. But if this is all on that shift now, he gets cut off by the other investigator. But the point being, you will agree that this indicates that from 4pm on the counts were not conducted. Correct? Answer no, they were not conducted. Question the shoe counts. Answer yeah. Question okay, then we don't really need to go into too much detail on that. Is this the first time that you're seeing this? Answer yeah, I haven't seen that before. Question okay, all right, we're going to wrap up right here and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.