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Inside The OIG Interview: The Warden's Statement Detailing The Death Of Jeffrey Epstein (Part 8) (4/11/26)
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Lamine N'Diaye, in his interview with the Office of the Inspector General, essentially tried to turn the Metropolitan Correctional Center into a scapegoat while positioning himself as a bystander to its failures. He leaned heavily on the narrative...
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What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to get right back to the interview given by the warden at MCC to the OIG investigators. Question does that now tell you anything about this court documentation regarding the wab? Answer yeah. Now it explains that they had gotten a court order this to have him go out. Question so what do you think is referred to in that documentation? Answer I guess it must be that all these documents right here. Question this. Answer yes. Question so what we're actually looking at, you think she's referring to? Answer I think that's what she was referring to. Question all right, so court documentation, meaning documentation from the Marshal Service saying that he was going to be transferred. Answer Right. Question all right, now, based upon what you're looking at here, specifically from the Marshal Service and the fact that Efren Reyes, whom is it? I've been told that everyone at the MCC knew who Reyes was because they knew he was Epstein's cellmate. Answer huh. Question but at the very least, everyone in the shoes should have known who Efren Reyes was. Answer Right. Question because he was Epstein's cellmate, what should have happened? Once on August 8, as early as 10:33am and as late as 3:33pm the day before Reyes is transferred, what should have happened? Answer as far as Epstein getting a cellmate Question Correct. The notifications being made that this person's being transferred, everyone gathers them up. Everyone. And so what this. I'm going to read this just to give you more information on his backtrack. This is a memorandum dated August 12, 2019 to the warden yourself from redacted who my understanding is he was the OIC of the shoe at the time. Answer Right Question it says that the subject passed information from Special Housing Unit. So on Friday, August 9, 2019 at approximately 1:50pm, ISOs redacted. Passed on to oncoming staff member, Officer redacted and president shift staff. SOS redacted and officer redacted that inmate Reyes was going wab and possibly may not return. Also that inmate Epstein will be needing a cellmate upon arrival from his attorney's visit. Now, what this doesn't state is that officer redacted or SOS walked. I mean both. Epstein Hayes pipes in. I'll get to that question as well as Reyes down to R D with all the belongings. Spoke with both Mr. Epstein and Mr. Reyes and stated to Mr. I think Reyes stated to redacted make sure you get him a cellmate. I'm not Coming back and redacted. Responding to Mr. Epstein saying, don't worry, we're going to get you a new cellmate. Now with all the information being that he is the oic, he's working in the shoe and he knows that he's wab, we've got all this stuff going on. This is the really big reason why I want to talk to you as the warden. This is the kind of primary purpose for us being here. So I apologize if you are going into that, but I want you to have all the information before I answer. What should have happened here? So R D is contacted the day before or two days before Epstein or Epstein is found. One day before Reyes is found, you know, gone. They contacted both custody as well as R D. R D pre removes them at 8:38 on August 9th. The shoe OIC walks him down to R D and actually has this conversation with Epstein and Reyes saying, I know you are wab. We're going to get you new staff, we're going to get you a new cellmate. Hayes pipes in what does WAB mean? Answer with all belongings. Means they're not coming back. Hayes But Epstein is not coming back. Question no answer. His cellmate Reyes So the theory is this is Hayes speaking. If you were investigating, somebody says that you're not going to have a cellmate anymore. And in that conversation or present during that conversation is Epstein. Question Epstein's present, yes. Hayes. Okay, so Epstein knows that he's not going to have a cellmate for the immediate future. Question no. Epstein is going to an attorney conference. So he's going to be in an attorney conference until about 7:00pm Hayes. No, no, but I'm saying that Epstein knows that over the next, say 24 hours he's not going to have a cellmate answer or a question. Excuse me. No. Redacted. The OIC tells Epstein as well as Reyes that they are going to get him a cellmate before he comes back from his attorney client. His attorney visit Hayes okay, so Epstein would know that he hasn't or going to have a cellmate. Question. Yeah. Yes. So this isn't the part of the theory, but what my question to your client is what should have happened based upon the knowledge that he was wab. The contact with the Marshall Service telling him that he's being transferred, the fact that R D, you know, the OIC walked him down to R D and R D actually logged him out of our system. What should have happened? Answer. So what should have happened was this information should have been passed up to the Supervisors Question at what point? Answer C. With this information coming in, as far as you know, when R D, typically it would come to the special housing Unit. Once it got up to that, to the special Housing Unit, the lieutenants should have been notified. Question okay, and which lieutenant? Answer. Whoever was the shoe lieutenant, Whoever was the operations lieutenant. Question now, on this case, the shoe lieutenant is also on leave. So we've got the chief psychologist on leave, the warden on leave, the shoe lieutenant on leave. But we do have an ops lieutenant, we do have an activities lieutenant, and we do have a captain. Answer. So you should have let the operations lieutenant know if you didn't have a shoe Lieutenant. They in turn would let the captain know, and the captain would push it up to the execs. Then. Then we would have to come to the determination on who we were going to house with. Epstein. Question now, if the operations lieutenant, his name is redacted. If he says, yes, I know Epstein was gone, but I believe that he was at court and he might be returning back. Answer no, you mean Reyes is gone. Question so redacted knows that. Sorry, did I say Epstein? Answer yeah, you said Epstein. Question yes, redacted. Knows that Reyes is gone, but I think he's at court and then he might be coming back. I didn't pass this information onto my relief who was redacted. Phonetic. However, as our investigation has revealed, the ops lieutenant also has one of these court production lists that lists Reyes as WAB with that knowledge, is that a reason that he thinks that he went to court and might be coming back? Answer I can't interpret what he. The thought process was, but if it said, you know, he was leaving, and I don't know what he was reading at the time, he could have been reading. Because sometimes the inmates do go out to court and come back. So I don't know, I can't speak to what he read or why he made that determination. And once again, Mr. Hayes pipes in. So listen, wouldn't have most inmates, when they go to court, come back? Question. The point being here, he didn't go to court. He was transferred. Question and I know you might have covered this in your understanding, in your experience at mcc, if an inmate is listed as WAB with all belongings, what is your understanding? Are they coming back or are they gone? Answer. That means he's transferring. Question has there been situations where they came back? Answer the have been situations that, you know, they go out and they have to have them come back if there was an issue. Question Is that a unique situation or it happens quite often. Answer no, I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say that. It's probably unique, but usually Wab, they're gone. Question so as the operations lieutenant, if you see somebody listed as Wab, should he have understood that the person is, is gone and not coming back? Answer should have, but then you're talking off the document. I don't know what document they read. So I don't want to speculate that, you know, was it, you know, send them to R and D whether he saw that, I don't know what document. But I'm saying if it's this document that clearly stated Wab. Question okay, but as far as you're concerned, it doesn't sound like what you were saying is redacted. Who, who was the OIC at the time should have notified the ops Lieutenant? Answer yeah, whoever's in there should have notified the operations lieutenant. Hey, Reyes left and he needs a cellmate. Question okay, so would it fall solely on the shoulders of redacted? Answer no. I mean, okay, so here's the other checks and balance. So what about the other people on the other shift? Question that's my question. Answer yeah. Question so the people that are working on his same shift. Answer yeah, on his own same shift. If it was a notification, it should have been made to the operations lieutenant or the captain and said, hey, cellmate left. He needs a cellmate. Question okay, Hayes pipes up once again and that cellmate would now at some point he goes back to the cell phone, but that's at the end of the day. Answer at the end of the day. Hayes. Okay, so nobody is in a position to say, hey, he's in a cell by himself until the end of the day. Answer by the warden. Right, but the information is passed on to each other. You know, he gets cut off by the investigator. And they're supposed to be doing 30 minute rounds where they would notice that one cell had zero inmates in it. Hayes and that's what brings us all here today. The warden, I mean that's how it would have made and when that got pushed up, we would have said, okay, we have a formula. Okay, who can we get to be a cellmate for Epstein? Question and I apologize to ask this because but like so, on each shift because of the oic, what would be responsible for that? So for instance, would redacted beyond the day shift up until 2pm he would be the one who is responsible to provide the ops lieutenant. But then the following shift, would it be the next OIC or would the People that are working in that unit, the other shoe staff, would they be responsible? Or is that a chain of command thing? Like no, the OIC is really the person making that notification. Answer. Everybody has a responsibility for their safety. Everybody. I mean I might be the oic, but I have some responsibilities if I know, okay, you know what, they might need a cellmate because I, in essence I can have an individual assigned to that post and they're just filling in for somebody that the regular person that's up there. And then I have the regular people working up there who are familiar with what's going on. So it's kind of everyone's responsibility, you know. Question. So is everyone kind of equally responsible then for this that was working there and didn't pass the information on? And to this lawyer, Hayes interjects once again, can you say don't guess? Answer. I mean it should have been, it should have been passed on. So I don't know the dynamics to as far as what was going on that day, who was working up there, what rounds were being made up there. You know, was the lieutenant coming around? Was the captain, how busy were they? Question so the lieutenant was not on. The lieutenant of the shoe was. Was not on. However, we do have records that the activities lieutenant at least visited the shoe at that point. Answer. You have two other lieutenants now. I don't know if you are familiar with the special housing unit, but it is a very busy unit. You know, you're giving out showers, you're giving out recreation, you're doing a whole lot of stuff, you know, running around all day and you know, sometimes things happen. Question. Understood the but in this case, wasn't Epstein at your most high profile inmate at the time? Answer I mean besides my terrorist inmates that I had up on 10 South. Question well, I guess at least the 9 South. Answer I would say that he was high profile. Yeah, he was a high profile inmate. Question is it. I mean on that note, don't you think that they would have, you know, found it pretty important to notify a especially they and I don't know what brought this today, but there were even signs up that they created saying mandatory 30 minute rounds on Epstein signed by God or something, you know, along those lines not, you know, meaning like do this, you know. Answer no, that was me, Mr. Hayes. Is that right? Answer that was me. I mean, I mean but it was emphasized to them, I mean so no one could say they didn't know. Question so point being there was like sign specific to even Epstein check on this guy every 30 minutes. Answer right question. You know, orange signs that are posted up there. Answer Right question So point being with this, he gets cut off by the warden. It should have been passed up. Question and that is where so for us I guess again and I know that you're probably trying to you know, hesitate on maybe saying like this person did something but really who dropped the ball here? Knowing though that you could take a look the day before. All these people are the ones that received the email in custody. And so I know we see lieutenant redacted. I'm sure assuming redacted would be on there. But again, this one, that one is not even as clear. This one specifically spells out he gets cut off by the warden. Yeah. Picks back up this one. You would actually have to go in and and look at the prisoner schedule report. Answer well, yeah, so the prisoner schedule report is something like this. But it will tell you that they are either going to like transfer or they're going to go to court. Whereas his other document that was sent to R D just specifically about the transfer. Hayes pipes in okay. But there is nothing that says recreation personal care. It's mostly going to and from court or leaving the institution. Question yeah, because it's a prisoner schedule. Hayes. Okay. Question so it's like what they're scheduled to do. Sorry, yeah, no, it's not like what their daily schedule is like in the institution. Hayes. Right. Question It's a U S. Marshal service report that provide that's provided to the BOP so they know which inmates they need to produce and for what reasons. Question now is that correct? Answer yes. Question so, yeah, based upon what you're looking at here on the 8th and then again what we know about redacted at the very least producing at 8, knowing he was WAB and R D knowing he was WAB, what should have happened there? Like who in your opinion here dropped the ball? Answer I think at all levels it was the checks and balances. If it went to the lieutenant's office, somebody should have picked it up. Somebody in the unit. It should have been passed up to the lieutenant's office. So there were a couple of safety nets that could have caught it. Question so pretty much everybody dropped the ball. Answer I mean if we're looking at it like this, if you are saying, going by an email being sent around. Question well, not only the email, but I mean the email I can understand if people are busy and they don't always, you know, this one it would be hard to. That one would be hard to, you know, say that you didn't know this one. I could see maybe you know the prisoner's schedule. Indiscernible answer. I mean, I don't know what gets sent out. I know that this whole thing, I don't know if that got sent out to the staff. I think more of a condensed version. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here. And in the next episode, dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.