Jes Staley Contradicts Jamie Dimon’s Epstein Testimony (7/28/26)

Summary

The Epstein Chronicles
Host: Bobby Capucci
Episode: Jes Staley Contradicts Jamie Dimon’s Epstein Testimony
Date: July 28, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode explores the conflicting testimonies of former J.P. Morgan executive Jes Staley and CEO Jamie Dimon regarding their knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein's criminal activities and Epstein’s privileged banking relationship with J.P. Morgan. Host Bobby Capucci examines a recent report on Staley's congressional testimony, questions institutional accountability, and scrutinizes the ongoing cover-up culture shielding powerful enablers of Epstein’s crimes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Battle Between Jes Staley and Jamie Dimon

• Bobby frames the continuing debate over who knew what—and when—at J.P. Morgan:
  • Jes Staley claims he informed Jamie Dimon (CEO) about Epstein’s criminal investigations on multiple occasions.
  • Jamie Dimon and J.P. Morgan categorically deny that Dimon was ever aware of such warnings or was involved in the decision to keep Epstein as a client.
  • Bobby’s take: “So, in my opinion, both Jes Staley and Jamie Dimon knew who and what Jeffrey Epstein was. Now, the extent of the relationship between Jes Staley and Jeffrey Epstein was certainly much deeper…” ([01:58])
• The host casts doubt on the entire financial sector’s credibility: “I find the whole group of these people to be the biggest liars on earth… I don’t think they have a collective truthful bone in their body.” ([05:33])

2. Congressional Hearings and (Non-)Accountability

• Staley testifies to Congress (House Oversight Committee), allegedly revealing he told Dimon about Epstein’s legal troubles in 2006 and 2008.
• Chair James Comer and others seek to probe government handling and redactions in the Epstein investigation.
  • Bobby: “If we're going to hold the government accountable for missteps, then we have to know who was making those missteps. It wasn't the government as an entity. Real people made these decisions. The question is, who are these people?” ([03:40])
• Staley testified voluntarily (not under oath), Committee members want to subpoena him next time, believing he lied.
  • Rep. Robert Garcia: “‘Mr. Staley in our opinion is flat out lying…’ He's become an uncredible witness.” ([08:40], with Bobby adding sarcastic commentary)

3. Evidence of Staley-Epstein Relationship

• DOJ correspondence and public documents show:
  • Over 1,200 emails exchanged between Staley and Epstein.
  • Staley visited Epstein properties and described their relationship as being “like family.”
  • Specific disturbing email exchanges involving young women in costumes.
  • Staley’s visit to Epstein in jail after his conviction.
  • Bobby: “Sounds like a pretty good friend to me.” ([10:58])
• Staley penalized by UK financial authorities, was forced to step down from Barclays, and banned from the sector for minimizing links to Epstein.

4. J.P. Morgan’s Deniability and Legal Actions

• J.P. Morgan continuously insists Dimon was never informed about Epstein’s activities:
  • “No such conversation ever occurred and Staley lacks credibility,” as per the bank’s spokesperson. ([12:59])
  • Bobby questions open-ended confidential settlements between the bank and those involved, and the recurring lack of transparency for the public.
• The bank settled major lawsuits with Epstein victims but turned around and sued Staley for covering up potentially actionable information about Epstein, leading to confidential deals.

5. The Broader Pattern: Elite Impunity and Stalled Justice

• Bobby catalogs other powerful Epstein associates—Les Wexner, Leon Black, and Staley himself—who were forced to leave high-profile positions after the scandal surfaced, but notes little substantive accountability has followed.
• The cycle of confidential settlements, voluntary “cooperation,” and selective prosecution is likened to “a dog and pony show” and a “kangaroo court.” ([09:12])
• The host expresses skepticism about both Staley and Dimon’s honesty and questions whether Congress or regulators will ever hold them or their institutions to account: “If he was lying about Jamie Dimon, that should be something that's sanctionable. But if he's telling the truth, then the question is, when is Jamie Dimon coming to speak before Congress?” ([14:13])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:29] — Episode introduction & outline of Staley vs Dimon allegations
• [03:25] — Exploration of Congressional interest and the importance of naming decision-makers
• [05:33] — Host’s blunt critique of the financial sector’s credibility
• [08:30] — Congressional doubts about Staley’s testimony, Democratic member’s quote
• [10:58] — Summary of evidence: emails, visits, and financial penalties against Staley
• [12:59] — J.P. Morgan’s official denials
• [14:13] — Confidential settlements and questions on future accountability

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “So, in my opinion, both Jes Staley and Jamie Dimon knew who and what Jeffrey Epstein was.” — Bobby Capucci ([01:58])
• “If we're going to hold the government accountable for missteps, then we have to know who was making those missteps. The question is, who are these people?” — Bobby Capucci ([03:40])
• “I find the whole group of these people to be the biggest liars on earth.” — Bobby Capucci ([05:33])
• “Mr. Staley in our opinion is flat out lying… There's documented evidence in the Epstein files of a decades long friendship. Not just a friendship, but references of being best friends.” — Rep. Robert Garcia, as quoted by Capucci ([08:40])
• “Sounds like a pretty good friend to me.” — Bobby Capucci on the Staley-Epstein correspondence ([10:58])
• “It's always a confidential settlement, isn't it? Always private, always behind the scenes and out of the view of mere peasants like you and me.” — Bobby Capucci ([13:30])
• “Like this whole entire dog and pony show is exactly that—a dog and pony show. And even Julie K. Brown's catching on now.” — Bobby Capucci ([09:12])

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Tone & Delivery

• Direct, irreverent, and critical: Bobby Capucci pulls no punches in skewering the financial sector, Congressional “accountability,” and the elite handling of the Epstein fallout.
• Skeptical and sarcastic: The host continually mocks the repeated denials and confidential deals, highlighting the persistent lack of real-world consequences.

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Conclusion

Bobby Capucci’s episode exposes the unresolved tensions at the heart of the Epstein case: elite denial, rotating scapegoats, and a system seemingly engineered to protect itself. Using colorful commentary and careful breakdowns of Staley and Dimon’s contradictory narratives, he raises essential questions about truth, responsibility, and the ongoing struggle for transparency and justice in the aftermath of one of the most disturbing scandals of the era.

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For more details and sources referenced, see the episode description box.

Transcript

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up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. When it comes to Jeffrey Epstein and people running for the exits, one of the most interesting battles has always been at JP Morgan, where Jess Staley has said that Jamie Dimon was aware of Jeffrey Epstein and knew what kind of man Jeffrey Epstein was. Well, J.P. morgan and Jamie diamond, they have a completely different narrative and somewhere in between is the truth what that truth is. Well, why don't we dive into this article from the Times and see if we can get closer to it. Headline Jess Staley versus Jamie Dimon who is telling the Truth about the Epstein Warnings? This article was authored by Josie and Zoro. Jess Staley, a former asset manager at J.P. morgan, told congressional hearing that he informed the bank's Chief executive Jamie Dimon on several occasions about criminal investigations into their client Jeffrey Epstein. And look, there's no doubt in my mind that that happened. Jess Staley wasn't some Low level employee wasn't somebody that couldn't reach out to Jamie Dimon whenever he wanted. So why would anyone think that Jamie Dimon wouldn't have any idea who Jeffrey Epstein was? Now, look, I'm not going to sit here and tell you that he knew what Epstein was doing, like, intimately. But he heard rumors. I have no doubt about that. And I have no doubt that the people around him knew exactly what Epstein was. I mean, look at the jokes that these clowns were making in those email chains talking about the monster that Jeffrey Epstein was. So, in my opinion, both Jess Staley and Jamie Dimon knew who and what Jeffrey Epstein was. Now, the extent of the relationship between Jess Staley and Jeffrey Epstein was certainly much deeper, at least as we know, than Epstein and any kind of relationship he might have had with Jamie Dimon. So all we have to go on, really, is Jess Staley's word. Meanwhile, with Jess Staley, there's a mountain of evidence that proves his friendship with Jeffrey Epstein over the years. Staley agreed to testify in front of the House Oversight Committee after its chairman, James Comer, requested his appearance, saying that he believes Staley may have information that would help the inquiry into the US Government's handling of the Epstein case. Now, if that was really what Comer was looking for, don't you think he'd be going absolutely berserk over the fact that everybody's name's redacted? As far as the people who were making decisions? If we're going to hold the government accountable for missteps, then we have to know who was making those missteps. It wasn't the government as an entity. Real people made these decisions. The question is, who are these people? Epstein bank with J.P. morgan from 1998 until about 2013. During much of that period, Staley, 69, was the senior executive responsible for the private bank's relationship. The Times understands that Staley told the committee during testimony on Thursday that he spoke to diamond about Epstein on two occasions. Once in 2006, when Epstein was indicted in Florida on charges of solicitation of a minor for prostitution. Minors can't consent and they can't be prostitutes, but okay. And another occasion in 2008 when Epstein was serving a 15 month sentence. It was first reported by Politico. Now, diamond denies it. He will take it to the grave. I had no idea what you're talking about. I had no idea who Epstein was, what he was doing. And anybody saying any different is lying to you. But for me, I find the whole group of these People to be the biggest liars on earth. And when I say these people, I mean the financial sector. I don't think they have a collective truthful bone in their body. In lawsuits brought against the U. S. Biggest bank by the U. S. Virgin Islands, the home of Epstein's estate and victims of the late financier, plaintiff sought to determine whether diamond knew about Epstein's activities or decisions to keep him as a client, and they even deposed him. He sat for a deposition and claimed under oath that it was all a big lie. So both of them can't be telling the truth. Either Jess Staley's lying or Jamie Dimon's lying, or they're both lying in some capacity. Diamond testified under oath that he did not recall discussing Epstein before his arrest in 2019. He said he had no involvement in the decision to retain or eventually terminate Epstein as a client. In a letter to representatives on the committee this week, a spokesman For diamond reiterated Mr. Diamond testified truthfully under oath he never met Epstein, never emailed him, and was not involved in any decision to have him as a client. Well, the buck stops with you, right? You're the boss. And if one of your executives, Jess Staley, is having relations with girls who are being abused by Jeffrey Epstein and then emailing him about Snow White and Beauty and the Beast, I would say that as the boss of the company, you have some responsibility now. Not the kind of responsibility, obviously, of hands on, but to just act like you have no idea. Act like, oh, well, I had no idea what my top guy was doing. I just don't believe it. Now, does that mean that Jamie Dimon's lying? No, but I just don't believe it. Sorry. Earlier this month, Senator Elizabeth Warren, a member of the Finance Committee, wrote to Dimon asking for clarification about the bank's relationship with Epstein and how much the chief executive knew. The letter referenced published messages between Mandelson and Epstein in which they discussed the possibility of Dimon calling the then UK Chancellor, Alistair Darling. Mr. Dimon's phone conversation with government officials, including Alistair Darling, during his time as Chancellor of the Exchequer, were routine for the CEO of a global financial institution. JP Morgan said in the letter those calls concern economic and and policy matters relevant to global banking. The record does not support any suggestion that those calls were improper or related to Epstein. Okay, I guess we'll just take your word for it. I mean, JP Morgan is a pillar of truth, right? They've never been in business with scumbags. Certainly nothing they've ever engaged in, right? Never mind all the fine saying otherwise, Staley appeared voluntarily before the committee in a closed door hearing and was not under oath. Members of the committee said they wanted to bring Staley back through a subpoena, however, saying they did not believe he was being truthful with them. Should have been there under subpoena in the first place. Oh let me have a voluntary sit down with so and so because they're so truthful and we can just believe everything they say at face value. Mr. Staley in our opinion is flat out lying, said Robert Garcia, the ranking Democratic member. He's claiming he had no real friendship with Jeffrey Epstein. That is ridiculous. There is documented evidence in the Epstein files of a decades long friendship. Not just a friendship, but references of being best friends. He's become an uncredible witness. Become? He always was. Like this whole entire dog and pony show is exactly that. A dog and pony show. And even Julie K. Brown's catching on now. But for me, I can sniff this out right away. You ain't slipping no kangaroo court by me. Staley has not been criminally charged with facilitating sex trafficking. Staley has repeatedly denied allegations of wrongdoing in the friendship oh yeah, you know, sleeping with a girl that was being abused by Epstein and trafficked by him. No big deal.

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the former Barclays bank chief executive developed a close friendship with Epstein. According to correspondence released by the U.S. department of justice earlier this year, Staley exchanged more than 1200 emails with him, visited his properties and described them as being like family. And he also paid him a visit in the lockup. Sounds like a pretty good friend to me. Documents in the files also indicate that Epstein asked an unnamed woman to purchase a Snow White costume. Epstein sent Staley a blank email with an attached photograph of a young woman wearing the costume. Staley messaged Epstein on July 10, 2010. That was fun. Say hi to Snow White after Epstein had already been convicted as a child molester. But sure, go on, Jess Daily, tell us some more about how great your judgment is. Staley is reported to have told the committee on Thursday that he was unsure who the woman was. Oh yeah, I had no idea. I had her dress up as Snow White. I did God knows what to her, but I have no idea who she is. In 2019, after Epstein's death, the UK Financial Conduct Authority asked Barclays to explain Staley's relationship with Epstein. Staley stepped down in 2021 after six years at the British bank. He was fined 1.1 million pounds and banned from Britain's financial industry for downplaying his close relationship with Epstein. Well, it was a lot more than that. And this all happened the first time around. So like all the people that are showing up now, and I appreciate it, but all these people were outed years ago. Les Wexner forced to step down. Leon Black forced to step down. Jess Staley forced to step down. And this all happened back in 2019, 2020. But then it stalled. Nothing else came of it. But all those people had to step down from their boards, had to take a step back from their businesses, and that's because they knew the heat was on and they thought stepping down would be the end of it. Well, the files came rolling around and guess what? It wasn't the end of it. Patricia Wexler, a spokeswoman for J.P. morgan, told POLITICO of Staley's alleged discussions with Jamie Dimon about Epstein. No such conversation ever occurred and Staley lacks credibility. A UK tribunal found Staley to be evasive and and unreliable well, that's true, but let's not act like that's just a Jess Staley problem. There's a lack of honesty amongst all these people. Epstein's victims later sued J.P. morgan in a civil case over accusations that knowingly profited from his illicit sex trafficking scheme. The bank, which paid out 375 million across two settlements, then sued Staley for allegedly covering up information about the late financier that may have seen him dropped as a client. Instead, they reached a confidential settlement. It's always a confidential settlement, isn't it? Always private, always behind the scenes and out of the view of mere peasants like you and me. So I wonder if Congress is going to try and hold him accountable one way or the other. And if he was lying about Jamie Dimon, that should be something that's sanctionable. But if he's telling the truth, then the question is, when is Jamie Dimon coming to speak before Congress? All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.

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