Kathy Ruemmler And Her Epstein Related Transcript From Her Trip To Congress (Part 5) (8/3/26) - The Epstein Chronicles

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What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're diving right back in to the Cathy Rumler interview with Congress. Mr. Lynch, I'm sorry, I just want to understand, are we going to see the exhibits? Ms. Crockett, I was just going to ask, do you mind speaking up just a little bit? Ms. Oh, sure. You kind of fed it off towards the end of your last statement. Okay, no problem. Absolutely redacted. We'll go back on the record. Ms. Rumler. Okay, so as I was saying, I was certainly aware that he had pled guilty to prostitution related offenses that involved sexualized massages. I knew that he was open to me with me about it, or so I believed about the nature of his conduct as I discussed at some length this morning. So what I was making here was an offhanded joke. Certainly sitting here in 2026 is in extraordinarily poor taste, but it was a joke about his prior criminal history. So when you wrote best massage ever, but not your kind of massage, you were referring to how he used massage to entice his victims. No, that's not what I'm saying at all. Again, as we discussed at length this morning, I understood that the conduct that Mr. Epstein had engaged in, as stated by Ms. Thacker in the letter to the Deputy Attorney general was that Mr. Epstein was in essence a customer or a john. Okay, taking a step back for a second. I had been a Prosecutor in the D.C. u.S. Attorney's office. And as a young, you know, prosecutor in that office, she gets cut off. Question. Before we take a step back, let's take a step forward. Okay. Question. What kind of massage were you referring to? Answer for me. Question. When you wrote best massage ever, but not your kind of massage to Jeffrey Epstein, what was his kind of massage? Answer. Let me explain the context of this email. Epstein had, I believed as a holiday Christmas gift, had given me a half day spa at the Peninsula Hotel. Okay? And that's what he's referring when he's saying, we all set for a day of joy? He's saying, are you going to have a nice day at the Peninsula Spa? Where I was able to, you know, pick up. Again, it was a gift. I was able to pick up or pick whatever I wanted to do at the Peninsula Spa, which is a lovely place in New York. Question. That's right, your emails, the emails between Mr. Epstein and his assistant Leslie Groff. They call it Kathy Rumlers Pampered weekend. And then Ms. Groff and you email and you told Ms. Groff, quote, Jeffrey so thoughtful as always. So yes. Answer. Okay, so yes. And so he then asked me, basically, you know, are you all set to go have a, you know, nice day at the spa essentially. Question. A day of joy. Answer. A day. And so then after I go to the spa, so it's the following day, I'd gone on a Saturday, I believe I went on a Saturday morning. And so I wrote back and said, you know, best massage ever, meaning I had a very nice massage at the spa. And I said, but not your kind of massage. Yes. That was a joke to him about the fact that he had engaged in the crime of prostitution, where the act, again as I understood it, was that he paid women to give him sexualized massages. Now what I wanted to say, taking a step back. So again, as I stated, I wish I had never met Jeffrey Epstein. I wish I never dealt with the guy. It was a mistake to deal with him. I wish I certainly would wish I'd never emailed with him. And sitting here, you know, 10 years later, in light of everything we know now, this is a joke where I'm using humor to basically again sort of call him out on the fact that he had this conviction and it's in poor taste. But when I was, when I was a prosecutor and I was doing prostitution cases, at this. In this period of time. So this, when I was doing prostitution cases, it would have been, you know, 2001. Two. 2002, in the District of Columbia. The crime of prostitution is the agreement between an individual who is seeking sex and someone who is willing to provide sex for money. The crime is the agreement. Okay. And we were instructed, it was, you know, the policy of the office at the time, that because the crime was the agreement that both the john and I'm using the law enforcement terms, the john and the prostitute were both prosecuted. They were prosecuted equally. Can a minor be a prostitute? Absolutely not. You told Jeffrey Epstein that. Absolutely not. Question. At least on one occasion. Is that right? Under the law, a minor. United States law, a minor cannot consent to prostitution. Yes, I agree with you entirely. You mentioned this letter from a lawyer Thacker that you refer to a lot. Yes, well, we'll talk about that later. But the letter references massages. I don't know, 18 times. It recounts allegation after allegation of how Mr. Epstein used massage to entice victims. Yes. So that's more than just Jeffrey Epstein paying for sex one time in 2007, right? Oh, I have never suggested that I believed he had to pay for sex for one time. So then were you. So what were you referring to? Were you referring to the full range of his alleged conduct that you were aware of? Answer. This was an offhand remark. I certainly wasn't referring to the full range of conduct, you know, in a one sentence offhand joke that, as I've said to you sitting here today, was in very poor taste. Question. Did you think one of the issues here, he bought you this massage. This was not the first or last massage that he had bought you, nor was it the only time you discussed massages with him. So given what you knew, then why did you accept any massages from Jeffrey Epstein? Answer. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Question. She gets cut off and why were you joking about it and what you did with him? Answer. He gave me a gift, okay? So he gave me a gift. A half day at the spa at the Peninsula Hotel in. In New York City. I think I also got a facial that day. I don't remember. But in any event, when I go to the spa, which I have gone to many, many times over the course of my life, and I've gone to spa resorts, a lot of women go to SPAs. And in 99% of those cases, I've paid for my own massage as a gift. He gave me a half day at Peninsula Spa and I got a massage. That is what this is. You knew he was a registered sex offender at the time, right? Yes. So why were you accepting gifts of massages from a registered sex offender whose offenses including getting massages? I can't even follow the logic of your question, Mr. Adacted. What part don't you understand, Ms. Rumler? I don't understand. I don't understand the question, Mr. Adacted. Do you want me to repeat the question differently? Question. Did you ever think of his underage victims at any point and think, hey, I'm not going to accept a massage from Jeffrey Epstein or I'm not going to joke about Jeffrey Epstein's history of massage and I'm not even going to talk about massages with Jeffrey Epstein. Answer. As I said, I didn't accept a massage from Jeffrey Epstein. He bought me. Bought me as a gift a day at a very well established hotel spa in New York City. And I accepted it because as I stated, he. He was a primary advisor to a client of mine. There was no reason not to accept it. It was a nice gesture and I accepted it.
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Let's move on. It's not more complicated than that. So the 2019 indictment. At the arraignment, the government said that Mr. Epstein engaged in a years long scheme to sexually abuse underage girls, paying minor girls to themselves be abused and also paying certain victims to recruit other girls to be subject to the defendant's sexual abuse. Minority Exhibit B. Let's introduce as minority exhibit B an email exchange between you and Mr. Epstein from September 19, 2014. In it, Mr. Epstein wrote, Girls careful. I will renew an old habit. Yes, I see that. We've already established that you were aware of the allegations against Mr. Epstein because you had read the Thacker letter. At this point, did you consider whether Mr. Epstein was referring to his past crimes and involving Young girls. When he said, girls, careful. I will renew an old habit. Okay, first of all, I don't know whether I had read the Thacker Letter in September of 2014. I had. You know, I'd only met with Mr. Epstein, I think twice at that point. So just to put that into characterization in proper context. But I remember this email very notwithstanding it was 12 years ago. I remember this email very specifically. And during either the first or second meeting that I had with Epstein in the course of the conversation, and it may have actually been in reference to. Reference to me, he referred to women as girls, okay? And I said to him, don't refer to women as girls. Unfortunately, I'm now 55 years old, and I've been, you know, a practicing lawyer for a long time, and I've been referred to as a girl by many men in many contexts. And I said, don't do that. And so I write, most girls do not have to worry about that crap. I'm basically in my email referring back to that conversation, okay? Like, hey, knucklehead, I'm referring to myself here. Most girls don't have to worry about this crap. Then he responds, girls, careful. I will renew an old habit question. So it was something of an inside joke between the two of you about language. Got it. Question. All right, let's move on to minority exhibit C. This is Bates number EFTA 025-10803. This is a March 4, 2015, email exchange, and the portion I'd like to talk to you about is on page one. Mr. Fishman, can you give us a minute? Take us while to get down to the table. Redacted. Do you see what you wrote to him? Darling, I am not one of your young things, miss. Yes, I do. What were you referring to, Mr. Fishman? Do you mind if she looks at the whole document first? Absolutely. So the context here is that I was doing a lot of international travel in the course of my law practice, and I can tell you. I can tell you from the context here that I had just landed in China because I say I had a loner BlackBerry that makes outgoing calls. So as any member of the room who has traveled to China knows, that's typically the protocol that you would use when traveling to China. And he, again, in very typical fashion, I'm complaining about the fact that I'm tired from all the travel. And he patronizingly tells me that I can figure out a way to travel better. Question by redacted. And then. And then you reply. Answer. And then I reply Again, in sort of a snarky way. You know, I'm not one of your young things. Remember he had his girlfriend, was probably 15 years younger than me and at that time and said, I've been doing this for 20 years and despite well honed skills, it still sucks. Question so there was his girlfriend, but you said you're young things, so. Answer well, he also had. He also had staff. You know, several women in their, you know, late 20s, early 30s were on his staff who traveled with him. And so basically saying, don't again, don't mansplain me. I'm cranky again. He's asking for something, he wants me to call him or something. And I just landed in China, where I probably didn't want to be. Question what do you remember about those staff? Pardon? The staff you just mentioned. What do you remember about them? I remember that he had quite a large staff and he had, you know, women and men on his staff and he had some assistance, personal assistants. Question do you know if all the women on his staff were American? Were any of them foreign? Answer Some of them were Russian and Eastern European. Yes. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here and in the next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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The Epstein Chronicles

Host: Bobby Capucci
Episode: Kathy Ruemmler And Her Epstein Related Transcript From Her Trip To Congress (Part 5)
Date: August 3, 2026

Overview

In this episode, Bobby Capucci breaks down transcripts from former White House Counsel Kathy Ruemmler's 2026 testimony before Congress regarding her interactions with Jeffrey Epstein. The discussion centers on Ruemmler’s email exchanges with Epstein, the context of their relationship, and her awareness and handling of Epstein’s criminal history. Capucci analyzes Ruemmler’s explanations for her conduct and the implications of her association with a convicted sex offender.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Context of Kathy Ruemmler's Testimony

Ruemmler is questioned about her knowledge of Epstein's prior conviction and why she continued to associate and correspond with him.
The focus is on her email interactions, particularly jokes or remarks in poor taste referencing Epstein’s crimes.

2. Explanation of "Best Massage Ever" Email

Timestamps: [01:17]–[07:30]

Background: Ruemmler received a half-day spa gift from Epstein, which is referenced in email exchanges.
Ruemmler’s Clarification:
- She states the “best massage ever, but not your kind of massage” comment was a joke referencing Epstein’s history with “sexualized massages.”
- She insists the gift was strictly a spa voucher and not a sexual service:
  - “He gave me a gift, okay? So he gave me a gift. A half day at the spa at the Peninsula Hotel in New York City. I think I also got a facial that day. … In 99% of those cases, I've paid for my own massage as a gift. He gave me a half day at Peninsula Spa and I got a massage. That is what this is.” [07:30]
- Admits that, in hindsight, the emails and the acceptance of the gift were in “extraordinarily poor taste.”
- She positions her joke as “calling Epstein out” in a veiled way for his conviction, not condoning it.

3. Prosecutorial Experience & Definitions

Timestamps: [03:30]–[05:20]

Ruemmler draws on her experience as a federal prosecutor (2001–2002) to explain legal definitions:
- “The crime of prostitution is the agreement between an individual who is seeking sex and someone who is willing to provide sex for money. The crime is the agreement.”
- She underscores that a minor cannot be a prostitute under U.S. law, emphasizing:
  - "Can a minor be a prostitute? Absolutely not. … Under the law, a minor. United States law, a minor cannot consent to prostitution. Yes, I agree with you entirely.” [05:15]

4. Acceptance of Gifts From Epstein

Timestamps: [06:00]–[08:30]

Ruemmler is pressed on why she accepted spa gifts from Epstein, well after his status as a registered sex offender was known.
She claims her interaction was professional, as Epstein was “a primary advisor to a client of mine.”
Defends her actions by underscoring the benign nature of the gift:
- "There was no reason not to accept it. It was a nice gesture and I accepted it." [08:30]
Interviewers challenge her logic, specifically whether she ever considered Epstein’s victims before joking about massages or accepting gifts; Ruemmler denies ever engaging in or accepting sexualized massages from Epstein.

5. Analysis of 2014–2015 Email Exchanges

Timestamps: [09:47]–[13:20]

2014 Exchange ("Girls, careful…"):
- Epstein writes: "Girls careful. I will renew an old habit."
- Ruemmler recalls confronting Epstein about his phrasing:
  - “I said to him, don't refer to women as girls. … I'm referring to myself here. Most girls don't have to worry about this crap.”
March 4, 2015 Exchange ("Not one of your young things"):
- Ruemmler, while traveling for business, jests to Epstein: “Darling, I am not one of your young things.”
- She explains this refers to Epstein dating significantly younger women and employing female staff much younger than herself:
  - “He also had staff. You know, several women in their, you know, late 20s, early 30s were on his staff who traveled with him.” [12:40]
Ruemmler is asked about the backgrounds of Epstein’s staff; she acknowledges some were Russian or Eastern European.

Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments

On making the “best massage” joke:
- Ruemmler: “Sitting here in 2026, it’s in extraordinarily poor taste, but it was a joke about his prior criminal history.” [03:00]
On minors and prostitution:
- Ruemmler: "Can a minor be a prostitute? Absolutely not. ... Under the law, a minor ... cannot consent to prostitution. Yes, I agree with you entirely." [05:15]
On regretting her association:
- "I wish I had never met Jeffrey Epstein. I wish I never dealt with the guy. It was a mistake to deal with him." [05:58]
On professional boundaries:
- “He was a primary advisor to a client of mine. There was no reason not to accept it. It was a nice gesture and I accepted it.” [08:30]
On the nature of their exchanges:
- “Most girls do not have to worry about that crap. ... I'm basically in my email referring back to that conversation, okay? Like, hey, knucklehead, I'm referring to myself here.” [10:40]
- “Darling, I am not one of your young things, miss.” [12:30]

Important Timestamps

[01:17]–[03:00]: Ruemmler clarifies the “best massage ever” email context
[05:15]: Discussion of legal definitions regarding prostitution and minors
[07:30]: Ruemmler’s reflection on poor judgment in email exchanges
[08:30]: Her rationale for accepting gifts from Epstein
[09:47]–[10:40]: Analysis of the 2014 “Girls careful” email
[12:30]–[13:20]: Breakdown of 2015 “not one of your young things” email and discussion of Epstein’s staff

Tone & Speaker Attribution

Throughout, Ruemmler’s tone is defensive, at times regretful, emphasizing legality and distancing herself from any wrongdoing or knowledge of Epstein’s full criminal activities at the time. The Congressional interviewers are persistent, skeptical, and focused on clarifying inconsistencies and moral dimensions of Ruemmler’s choices.

Conclusion

This episode provides a close reading of Kathy Ruemmler's testimony, revealing the complex intertwining of social, professional, and ethical boundaries in the Epstein network. While Ruemmler underscores her regret and attempts to contextualize her actions, the congressional questioning exposes the enduring discomfort and ethical ambiguities faced by those who remained within Epstein's orbit after his criminal conduct was public knowledge.

Tune in to the next episode for further analysis as the inquiry continues, and refer to the episode description for supplemental documents and details.

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What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're diving right back in to the Cathy Rumler interview with Congress. Mr. Lynch, I'm sorry, I just want to understand, are we going to see the exhibits? Ms. Crockett, I was just going to ask, do you mind speaking up just a little bit? Ms. Oh, sure. You kind of fed it off towards the end of your last statement. Okay, no problem. Absolutely redacted. We'll go back on the record. Ms. Rumler. Okay, so as I was saying, I was certainly aware that he had pled guilty to prostitution related offenses that involved sexualized massages. I knew that he was open to me with me about it, or so I believed about the nature of his conduct as I discussed at some length this morning. So what I was making here was an offhanded joke. Certainly sitting here in 2026 is in extraordinarily poor taste, but it was a joke about his prior criminal history. So when you wrote best massage ever, but not your kind of massage, you were referring to how he used massage to entice his victims. No, that's not what I'm saying at all. Again, as we discussed at length this morning, I understood that the conduct that Mr. Epstein had engaged in, as stated by Ms. Thacker in the letter to the Deputy Attorney general was that Mr. Epstein was in essence a customer or a john. Okay, taking a step back for a second. I had been a Prosecutor in the D.C. u.S. Attorney's office. And as a young, you know, prosecutor in that office, she gets cut off. Question. Before we take a step back, let's take a step forward. Okay. Question. What kind of massage were you referring to? Answer for me. Question. When you wrote best massage ever, but not your kind of massage to Jeffrey Epstein, what was his kind of massage? Answer. Let me explain the context of this email. Epstein had, I believed as a holiday Christmas gift, had given me a half day spa at the Peninsula Hotel. Okay? And that's what he's referring when he's saying, we all set for a day of joy? He's saying, are you going to have a nice day at the Peninsula Spa? Where I was able to, you know, pick up. Again, it was a gift. I was able to pick up or pick whatever I wanted to do at the Peninsula Spa, which is a lovely place in New York. Question. That's right, your emails, the emails between Mr. Epstein and his assistant Leslie Groff. They call it Kathy Rumlers Pampered weekend. And then Ms. Groff and you email and you told Ms. Groff, quote, Jeffrey so thoughtful as always. So yes. Answer. Okay, so yes. And so he then asked me, basically, you know, are you all set to go have a, you know, nice day at the spa essentially. Question. A day of joy. Answer. A day. And so then after I go to the spa, so it's the following day, I'd gone on a Saturday, I believe I went on a Saturday morning. And so I wrote back and said, you know, best massage ever, meaning I had a very nice massage at the spa. And I said, but not your kind of massage. Yes. That was a joke to him about the fact that he had engaged in the crime of prostitution, where the act, again as I understood it, was that he paid women to give him sexualized massages. Now what I wanted to say, taking a step back. So again, as I stated, I wish I had never met Jeffrey Epstein. I wish I never dealt with the guy. It was a mistake to deal with him. I wish I certainly would wish I'd never emailed with him. And sitting here, you know, 10 years later, in light of everything we know now, this is a joke where I'm using humor to basically again sort of call him out on the fact that he had this conviction and it's in poor taste. But when I was, when I was a prosecutor and I was doing prostitution cases, at this. In this period of time. So this, when I was doing prostitution cases, it would have been, you know, 2001. Two. 2002, in the District of Columbia. The crime of prostitution is the agreement between an individual who is seeking sex and someone who is willing to provide sex for money. The crime is the agreement. Okay. And we were instructed, it was, you know, the policy of the office at the time, that because the crime was the agreement that both the john and I'm using the law enforcement terms, the john and the prostitute were both prosecuted. They were prosecuted equally. Can a minor be a prostitute? Absolutely not. You told Jeffrey Epstein that. Absolutely not. Question. At least on one occasion. Is that right? Under the law, a minor. United States law, a minor cannot consent to prostitution. Yes, I agree with you entirely. You mentioned this letter from a lawyer Thacker that you refer to a lot. Yes, well, we'll talk about that later. But the letter references massages. I don't know, 18 times. It recounts allegation after allegation of how Mr. Epstein used massage to entice victims. Yes. So that's more than just Jeffrey Epstein paying for sex one time in 2007, right? Oh, I have never suggested that I believed he had to pay for sex for one time. So then were you. So what were you referring to? Were you referring to the full range of his alleged conduct that you were aware of? Answer. This was an offhand remark. I certainly wasn't referring to the full range of conduct, you know, in a one sentence offhand joke that, as I've said to you sitting here today, was in very poor taste. Question. Did you think one of the issues here, he bought you this massage. This was not the first or last massage that he had bought you, nor was it the only time you discussed massages with him. So given what you knew, then why did you accept any massages from Jeffrey Epstein? Answer. Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Question. She gets cut off and why were you joking about it and what you did with him? Answer. He gave me a gift, okay? So he gave me a gift. A half day at the spa at the Peninsula Hotel in. In New York City. I think I also got a facial that day. I don't remember. But in any event, when I go to the spa, which I have gone to many, many times over the course of my life, and I've gone to spa resorts, a lot of women go to SPAs. And in 99% of those cases, I've paid for my own massage as a gift. He gave me a half day at Peninsula Spa and I got a massage. That is what this is. You knew he was a registered sex offender at the time, right? Yes. So why were you accepting gifts of massages from a registered sex offender whose offenses including getting massages? I can't even follow the logic of your question, Mr. Adacted. What part don't you understand, Ms. Rumler? I don't understand. I don't understand the question, Mr. Adacted. Do you want me to repeat the question differently? Question. Did you ever think of his underage victims at any point and think, hey, I'm not going to accept a massage from Jeffrey Epstein or I'm not going to joke about Jeffrey Epstein's history of massage and I'm not even going to talk about massages with Jeffrey Epstein. Answer. As I said, I didn't accept a massage from Jeffrey Epstein. He bought me. Bought me as a gift a day at a very well established hotel spa in New York City. And I accepted it because as I stated, he. He was a primary advisor to a client of mine. There was no reason not to accept it. It was a nice gesture and I accepted it.
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Let's move on. It's not more complicated than that. So the 2019 indictment. At the arraignment, the government said that Mr. Epstein engaged in a years long scheme to sexually abuse underage girls, paying minor girls to themselves be abused and also paying certain victims to recruit other girls to be subject to the defendant's sexual abuse. Minority Exhibit B. Let's introduce as minority exhibit B an email exchange between you and Mr. Epstein from September 19, 2014. In it, Mr. Epstein wrote, Girls careful. I will renew an old habit. Yes, I see that. We've already established that you were aware of the allegations against Mr. Epstein because you had read the Thacker letter. At this point, did you consider whether Mr. Epstein was referring to his past crimes and involving Young girls. When he said, girls, careful. I will renew an old habit. Okay, first of all, I don't know whether I had read the Thacker Letter in September of 2014. I had. You know, I'd only met with Mr. Epstein, I think twice at that point. So just to put that into characterization in proper context. But I remember this email very notwithstanding it was 12 years ago. I remember this email very specifically. And during either the first or second meeting that I had with Epstein in the course of the conversation, and it may have actually been in reference to. Reference to me, he referred to women as girls, okay? And I said to him, don't refer to women as girls. Unfortunately, I'm now 55 years old, and I've been, you know, a practicing lawyer for a long time, and I've been referred to as a girl by many men in many contexts. And I said, don't do that. And so I write, most girls do not have to worry about that crap. I'm basically in my email referring back to that conversation, okay? Like, hey, knucklehead, I'm referring to myself here. Most girls don't have to worry about this crap. Then he responds, girls, careful. I will renew an old habit question. So it was something of an inside joke between the two of you about language. Got it. Question. All right, let's move on to minority exhibit C. This is Bates number EFTA 025-10803. This is a March 4, 2015, email exchange, and the portion I'd like to talk to you about is on page one. Mr. Fishman, can you give us a minute? Take us while to get down to the table. Redacted. Do you see what you wrote to him? Darling, I am not one of your young things, miss. Yes, I do. What were you referring to, Mr. Fishman? Do you mind if she looks at the whole document first? Absolutely. So the context here is that I was doing a lot of international travel in the course of my law practice, and I can tell you. I can tell you from the context here that I had just landed in China because I say I had a loner BlackBerry that makes outgoing calls. So as any member of the room who has traveled to China knows, that's typically the protocol that you would use when traveling to China. And he, again, in very typical fashion, I'm complaining about the fact that I'm tired from all the travel. And he patronizingly tells me that I can figure out a way to travel better. Question by redacted. And then. And then you reply. Answer. And then I reply Again, in sort of a snarky way. You know, I'm not one of your young things. Remember he had his girlfriend, was probably 15 years younger than me and at that time and said, I've been doing this for 20 years and despite well honed skills, it still sucks. Question so there was his girlfriend, but you said you're young things, so. Answer well, he also had. He also had staff. You know, several women in their, you know, late 20s, early 30s were on his staff who traveled with him. And so basically saying, don't again, don't mansplain me. I'm cranky again. He's asking for something, he wants me to call him or something. And I just landed in China, where I probably didn't want to be. Question what do you remember about those staff? Pardon? The staff you just mentioned. What do you remember about them? I remember that he had quite a large staff and he had, you know, women and men on his staff and he had some assistance, personal assistants. Question do you know if all the women on his staff were American? Were any of them foreign? Answer Some of them were Russian and Eastern European. Yes. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here and in the next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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