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Lesley Groff And Her 302 Proffer Statement To The FBI (6/15/26)
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Lesley Groff’s FBI 302/proffer presents her as the person who helped run Jeffrey Epstein’s daily machinery from the New York side: his calendar, calls, travel, meetings, errands, office flow, and massage scheduling. She said she began working for...
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What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to keep the conversation about Leslie Grof going and we're going to take a look at the 302 report that she gave to the FBI. Federal Bureau of Investigation. Leslie Groff, date of birth Redacted was interviewed pursuant to a Proffer Agreement at 39 Broadway, Suite 1610, New York, NY. Present for the proffer was Groff's attorney, Michael Bauchner. Also present for the proffer was Assistant United States Attorneys Redacted and redacted along with Special Agent Redacted. After being advised of the identity of the above listed individuals and the nature of the interview, Grof provided the following. Grof is in retirement along with her husband. Groff has a redacted son. Grof enjoys exercising and listening to books on tape. Grof resigned in July 2019 from working for Jeffrey Epstein. Grof had started working for Epstein in February of 2001. Grof attended college in North Texas and is a UTD graduate. Grof lived in Texas, then met a man who lived in New Jersey, which caused her to move to the area. Grof worked for nine years at an office supply company. Groff then divorced. Groff then worked at Nordstrom. Groff met her current husband at a triathlon. Groff was still working at Nordstrom at the time. Groff wanted to be an event planner and thought Wall street would be a great place to work. A headhunter. Russell found a resume on Monster. Groff was looking at a job to work for the Knicks, but it was taken. Grof met with Russell and he told her that there was a job to organize one man's life. This man was Epstein, a Manhattan socialite. Grof had never heard of Epstein before this. Grof interviewed for the position. Grof interviewed with. Redacted. Redacted. Who was Glenn Maxwell, Maxwell's assistant at the time. Then Grof interviewed with Maxwell before interviewing with Epstein. The next day when he was in town, Groff interviewed at 4:57 Madison on the fourth floor. This location was part of a palace. Groff was in the front office. Before going to Epstein's office, Grof met with all three people on the same day. It was a normal interview about being an executive assistant. During the interview, the phone kept ringing. Epstein would talk, then hang up. It seemed to be a very vibrant office. Grof had to sign a non disclosure agreement. If Grof spoke about business people, which Groff thought included Les Wexner, she would owe him a hundred thousand dollars. Grof had never seen anything like the non disclosure agreement with. Before working for Epstein, Grof had her own office in the back. Others that worked at the office were two attorneys, an assistant, a trader, a travel assistant. Redacted, redacted, redacted and redacted. Maxwell came in and out of the office. Epstein did not work a 9 to 5 schedule. Epstein gave Groff pages including a call list, who he wanted to see and appointments. Grof had to reorganize and shift things. At the time Grof made all the phone calls, including calling the driver, chef and other people. Grof had two phones on her desk. It was hectic. Grof was told that mistakes were not tolerated. It was challenging, but Grof liked that sometimes Groff went home in tears, sometimes for messing up his day. Grof felt it was pretty incredible to see all the people Epstein dealt with in politics, television, etc. Groff felt wow. Prior to working for Epstein, she never knew people who owned the plane. Groff found out about Maxwell's father. In life, Groff felt like Epstein and Maxwell's lives were the lifestyle of the rich and famous. Groff described getting into the office. She would have to go in through the palace and go straight through the hotel portion. The left side was where Epstein's office was located. Groff thought on the fourth floor was where the office was located. There were other businesses in the building. They had a view of the Fifth Avenue Cathedral. Once off of the elevator, there was a desk for the receptionist. Groff could not remember if this was there the day she left. After going straight, there would be a large office for two accountants and the trader. The accountant was Eric Ganey, who had an assistant accountant, Bella Klein. The trader was Harry Beller. The person who was Epstein's assistant would be at the receptionist desk. Someone was always there and it changed over time. There was redacted, redacted, redacted, redacted and redacted. The controller was Ahmad Hana. When Gainey left, he was replaced by Richard Khan. To the right of the office were the attorneys Darren Indyke and Jeff Shantz. Straight back was Groff's office. Towards the left was Epstein's office and towards the right was a desk for Maxwell and her assistant redacted. Lauren Quitner was an assistant to the attorneys. There was a desk for redacted which changed to redacted redacted when redacted left. Epstein wanted an estate manager which kept turning over. There were a lot of people in the office. They first started building Maxwell's house after her house was built. She moved her and her assistant to her house. Maxwell was maybe at the office once a week and brought her dog Max. Full time employees, including the attorneys Quitner Redacted and the people in the front office. Groff worked 9 to 5, Monday through Friday for the first couple years. Groff then became pregnant and had a son and was off for about three to four months. Redacted took over while Grof was out on maternity leave. Approximately a year and a half later, Maxwell's assistant left and Redacted moved back to being her assistant. Grof started a job share where she worked Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday and Redacted worked Monday and Friday. Epstein would leave New York Friday and return Monday night. Epstein wanted Groft there to do the call list. Epstein called in the morning to schedule business meetings. Architects, designers. When Grof would think he was done, he'd decide he'd want to do it all over again. Grof remembered seeing an invoice of a carpet for an airplane. That was more than she made back then. Grof did not use email. Epstein called constantly. Epstein told her to call a certain individual. Then he would want an immediate call back. Grof relayed messages, make and break appointments and contact houses. Groff would have Jojo sit outside certain locations, but he did not like. People would come eat, but he would not. Epstein would not like wasting time. The first time Epstein laid into Grof was when she moved an appointment and forgot to tell the other person. Epstein did not let it go. Grof ruined his whole day saying he can't get that time back. Grof would tell the pilot when Epstein wanted to leave. For example, Grof would tell the pilot he would want to leave tomorrow at 4 to Palm Beach. Grof did not make airline reservations at the time. Redacted made those reservations. Then Epstein told Grof to tell Redacted to make the reservations. A lot of people traveled on Epstein's plane. Epstein might tell Grof. The lingo he used was do you need a ride? Grof would call and ask if he wanted friends. Then Grof would call them. The pilot Larry needed to know. Grof would ask Epstein. Then she would relay that information to Larry. Sometimes Epstein told Groff, who was traveling with him and other times he told Larry himself. Groff talked with Epstein when he was away. Epstein often traveled with Maxwell the first year. Redacted traveled often with him as well. Then Redacted traveled with him. The assistants traveled with Epstein. Ted Meester was on a plane a lot. He liked to go to Palm Beach. Maxwell and Redacted were usually on the plane with Epstein. Maxwell traveled quite a bit. Groff thought Maxwell did her own thing. Groff was not Maxwell's assistant and did not see her as much. Maxwell was a big part of Epstein's life. Maxwell introduced Epstein to a lot of people in her circle. This was Groff's perception because Groff knew her background. Groff's impression was that she knew that was how Epstein met royalty, through Maxwell. Maxwell did not talk to Grof. Grof never had a normal conversation with Maxwell or Epstein. Maxwell told Grof she was not to engage in frivolous conversation with Epstein. If Grof bought movie tickets for Epstein, she was not allowed to ask if he liked the movie the next day. Grof did not have a lot to do with the Clinton trip. Maxwell dealt with the details. Grof's perception was that Maxwell knew Clinton first, but Grof did not know for sure. Grof recalled conversations with Maxwell in the beginning, probably around Grof's first week. Maxwell told her, you're here to work. Maxwell told her that Epstein did not need extra conversation and that she was not allowed to fratinize on the phone. That the people she spoke to were Epstein's friends, not Grof's friends. And Grof found this similar to Wall street in that she could not fraternize. Groff was asked to go to a party. This was probably within the first month of working for Epstein. Groff went to the party with her husband, who knew other Wall street people. Epstein found out and torched her. The following Monday. Epstein told Groff he was going to fire her but put her on probation instead. Groff had to keep herself totally separate. It made sense to Groff. So she never did it again. From the beginning, massage was a part of Epstein's day. There were normal appointments. Grof thought Maxwell told her that Epstein had to have a massage every day. Redacted and redacted trained Grof too. But Groff thought Maxwell told her that it was presented like it was totally normal. Redacted and redacted. Had been there prior to Grof and no one seemed like it was out of the ordinary. Groff's job was to make appointments to Grof. Making massage appointments was just another appointment that she had to make for Epstein. Epstein would call Grof in the morning and say something like, call redacted and see if she can do a massage at 4. Epstein would then call Grof every 15 minutes. If Grof told Epstein that she could not get redacted, he would tell Grof to call someone else. There was a directory of contacts, not just massage people. Anyone could go in and update the list. Everyone had access. It was just kept on the computer in an old antiquated system. Grof thought it was just a file on the computer. They used PCs, not Apple computers. They had a message sheet and directory. There was an IT guy who came every so often if they had computer problems. When Grof was told to call someone, she would pull the phone number from the directory. Epstein gave Grof a name and phone number. But if the person had been around for a while, the number would be in the computer. For massages in New York. At Epstein's residence, Grof scheduled for New York. Groff thought she may have scheduled massage for Epstein's Palm beach residents. But it was not as much when Epstein left New York and took an assistant with him. The assistant took over the daily things in Palm Beach, New Mexico and Paris. Groff had a call list every day of people she had to call for Epstein outside of New York. Groff did not know who scheduled the massage appointments. Grof did not recall specifically making appointments outside of New York, but but stated that it was possible. Grof definitely made appointments in New York. Groff thought that Maxwell made an extra book. Grof described the book as super thick. That was printed in a larger type. To see it was a little black book. Maxwell had them printed and bound. Grof thought she wanted to have them on the plane or next to the phones. Grof recalled seeing one on her desk. The black books were around. There was one on Groff's desk when she first started working there. They were next to Epstein's phones on the desk. Grof did not know why she associated the books to Maxwell. They were there before Grof worked there. Grof thought that the books had been updated. Grof did not know where they were printed. Grof did not use the books. She used a computer. Grof thought the books were everywhere, but maybe not in the accounting office. The books were at his homes and they were on the desk in rooms. There were a lot of important people in the books and their phone numbers, including politicians, actors, Wall street individuals and royalty. Grof was not supposed to take the book home. Grof thought that the book fizzled out. It made sense that Epstein wanted them next to the phones. It was a tool for contacts. The book went away, but Grof did not know when this happened. They changed over to Mac computers. Epstein wanted to keep things simple. Epstein wanted a list of dentists, scientists, etc. Grof did not think that she was there. When the directory was first made, but she was not sure. Maxwell was an office manager and had stationery made. Maxwell may have asked redacted to have them made. Grof thought maybe she was assuming that Maxwell made them. Agent note at this point in the interview, Grof was shown a document with a list of names and and contact information. This document is attached in 1A. Grof advised this looks like people he'd contact. Grof did not recognize this specific document, but it looked like something Grof could have typed up. Grof recognized the names on the document. It seemed typical of when Epstein would travel. A Word document possibly could have been Grof who copied and pasted from the directory to Word using a Mac computer. Grof could copy and paste, but she did not think she could copy and paste a word using the older computers. The list of people's names and numbers was constant. Agent note Grof was shown a document titled Masseuses. This document is attached in 1A. Grof advised that this document look like something that would definitely be in the office that Epstein asked to be put together. There were other documents made for architects, etc. Grof advised this document did not look familiar. Grof did not recall making this document, but stated she was not saying that she did not create it. Grof advised the document looked old. Grof recognized the names. To Grof, this was just another list. Grof recalled having to make a list of all the TED speakers when she started. The list printed out would be more for Epstein to take with him. Grof used the directory more Agent Grof was shown a document with the title Masseuses from January. This document is attached in one A. Groff's first thought was that Jan meant January. New user on the document was not significant to Groff. The document stated last saved by Leslie Groff. Grof advised this looked like a list that she could have put together. This was definitely something Epstein would have wanted. It looks like something Grof could have done, but she could not recall this specific list. Groff made a lot of lists. If Epstein traveled out of town, he would want to see people. Sometimes he would tell Groff to add new people. He went to Harvard. He would want a list of professors he would want to talk with while he was there. When Groff would call to schedule massage appointments, she would say something like hi. Redacted. How are you? Mr. Epstein's in New York and he's wanting to know if you can give him a massage at 4. The phone calls were short and to the point. A lot of times When Grof called, the females were at casting calls and they would not know how long they would be there. So they would have to call Grof back. When Epstein would call back for his massage, he would tell Grof to forget that one and call redacted. Grof would call someone else and sometimes have to leave a message. Sometimes Grof heard street noises in the background. Grof called females and and Mel Masseuse. Grof distinctly remembered females being on casting calls because it was annoying. Because she wanted to get on with her day and could not because she had to schedule a massage appointment. Scheduling massage appointments was around 1% of Grof's job. Grof left a lot of messages. People would not answer their phones. Sometimes people call Grof asking to see Epstein for a massage. Everybody wanted to see him. Anytime Groff called someone, not just massage people. People just jumped to meet with Epstein. Grof thought that Epstein was a money manager. His biggest client was Wexner. Groff knew this from the beginning because of the non disclosure agreement she had to sign. Grof thought that Epstein had other clients. Grof thought Epstein was doing some trades. Epstein would tell Grof to get someone. He did not have the number of a trader. Groff had anxiety trying to get a trader. Epstein did a lot with politics. Epstein was a generous person who gave to charity tables and wanted to be anonymous. Epstein seemed very busy. Epstein had an interest in decorating. Grof was floored by the contacts he had all over the world. Groff was impressed by that. Grof had to learn how to dial overseas numbers. Maxwell was an office manager. This was how Grof was introduced to Maxwell. Maxwell was Epstein's best friend. Groff saw Epstein torch Maxwell. At times he was angry with her. Epstein got mad at his attorneys in the office. Sometimes Maxwell left with her head down. Groff did not like hearing Epstein yell at Chance. But he did not walk out defeated. Epstein and Maxwell were confidants. Groff knew Epstein built Maxwell her house. Groff thought redacted told her this. It was just bought and under construction. Groff thought that Epstein and Maxwell were boyfriend and girlfriend. They were very carefree. They did not spend every moment together. Groff thought that Epstein cared for Maxwell and she cared for him. Epstein and Maxwell did not live together. Groff did not know where Maxwell was living while her house was being built. When Groff first started, Maxwell helped with the rules. Maxwell told her that when Epstein calls Groff to give requirements. If Groff did not understand something to stop him then and do not wait until the end. Because it'll make Epstein mad. Epstein was famous for talking under his breath and mumbling. Groff did not have normal conversations with Maxwell. Groff did not talk to Maxwell about her wedding or when she was pregnant. Maxwell would come and go from the office and bring her dog into the office. Maxwell had her own driver. There was a guy who was the driver and a girl who was the maid. Looking back, Grof did not know how much managing Maxwell actually did. When Maxwell's house was being built, that was her priority. Maxwell was in the office next to Grof. Agent note. At this point in the interview, Grof was shown a black book. This book is 1A9 in case file 72 mm 11. 3327. Grof advised that this book did did not look like the one that she saw. The one Grof saw had larger writing. It was the same size, but the one she remembered had a thicker binding. Grof thought it was probably the same information inside. This information would have been in the directory. To Grof's recollection, it looked the same. Grof recalled the directory was alphabetical. Grof did not have conversations with Maxwell about massages. Grof worked 9 to 5. Epstein did not contact Groff. On the weekends, Groff remembered Maxwell called Bella, who was from Russia, about the kgb. Maxwell had to check every invoice. Maxwell smiled and was happy, except when Epstein got upset with her. Maxwell talked to everybody. It seemed business related. Traveled with Maxwell on Epstein's plane. Epstein and Maxwell were volatile. One moment Epstein would be screaming and the next he would be down to business. Maxwell tended to carry it and leave. Groff thought the whole office seemed happy, like the employees were happy. And it was a nice place to work. Sometimes Groff was asked to messenger money for massages. And sometimes Jojo took money for the massages to give to people. Epstein sent everything by messenger. Epstein sent things FedEx. Groff got the money from accounting and would pay someone around 100. Grof would type a message to Bella. Grof thought Bella had the petty cash box. Bella put money in an envelope. Then it would be put in a messenger box. Jojo or a messenger would pick it up. This did not happen all the time, but rather some of the time. No one ever came to the office to pick up money except Jojo or the manager. Groff never went to Epstein's house until 2013. Groff went to Epstein's island. Groff was at a wedding on Tortola. Epstein told Groff she should go to the island. Epstein was not on the island. When she went, Miles Alexander and Kathy Alexander fed Groff and her husband lunch. Then they went back. Groff went on a trip with her husband to London. Epstein said they could stay at his guest room in Paris. They stayed there a couple of nights and went back to London. Groff did not go to the New Mexico ranch. Groff did not travel with Epstein. All right, folks. Well, there's Leslie Groff's 302 proffer with the FBI agents in her own words. And I wonder how that's going to compare with what she says to Congress later on. And as soon as those transcripts are available, we'll get those added to the catalog. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.