Lesley Groff And The Transcript From Her Epstein Related Trip to Congress (Part 6) (7/4/26)

Summary

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The Epstein Chronicles

Host: Bobby Capucci

Episode: Lesley Groff And The Transcript From Her Epstein Related Trip to Congress (Part 6)

Date: July 4, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the Congressional testimony of Lesley Groff, one of Jeffrey Epstein’s longtime assistants, focusing on her recollections about working in Epstein’s offices and residences, her day-to-day responsibilities, and her interactions with other staff and associates. Host Bobby Capucci guides listeners through Groff's testimony, examining what she saw—or didn't see—during her years of employment and highlighting what her statements reveal (and obscure) about the inner workings of Epstein's operation.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Structure and Roles Within Epstein’s Operation [01:28–04:00]

• Groff describes the various assistants employed, their respective responsibilities, and how she eventually became Epstein’s main receptionist/assistant.
  • She never managed a staff or team of assistants herself.
  • Other key office players included assistants to Maxwell, Epstein's attorneys, and a bookkeeper.
• Quote:

  “I replaced [redacted]. She was Mr. Epstein's assistant and then I replaced her. So then I became the receptionist.”
  (Lesley Groff, 01:50)

2. Workflow & Communication Practices [03:00–05:00]

• Epstein’s work demands and communication methods were extremely intensive.
  • Early on, all instructions came via telephone—sometimes 10–20 pages of notes each morning.
  • Coordination involved constant liaison with house staff, pilots, and other office employees.
  • Epstein did not use email or texting until around 2011; before then, everything was done verbally or by landline.
  • His schedule was described as “chaotic,” with constant rescheduling.
• Quote:

  “He would call me and give me 10 to 20 pages of notes... He would direct me to coordinate with his house staff... It was crazy. It was very, very busy... just non-stop.”
  (Lesley Groff, 03:40)

• Epstein’s communication evolved in later years to include email, but never texting by Groff’s account.

3. Office and Residence Layouts & Staff Access [05:30–11:00]

• Detailed physical descriptions of Epstein’s offices:
  • 457 Madison Ave (2001–2009): Groff’s office was adjacent to Epstein’s, with a layout designed for privacy; she claims she did not usually witness people entering or leaving his office.
  • 301 East 66th (2009–2011/12) and Lexington Office (2011–2013): Short tenures, similar operations.
  • Epstein's Manhattan Residence (from 2013): Groff’s office was at the front, isolated from main residential areas. She describes herself as physically removed from most ingress/egress points.
• Describes main household staff who would manage visitors: butler Jojo, maid Lynn, and a security/engineer named Rich (Garcia).
• Quote:

  “You had to come up the steps, make a left into my office... My desk was in the back so people could come and go that I would not see.”
  (Lesley Groff, 11:50)

4. Work Schedule & Compensation [07:00–12:50]

• Groff initially worked traditional 9–5, but after the birth of her child in 2004, she was given a flexible schedule and could often work from home or job-share.
• Regular salary increases, particularly after 2004, with annual earnings peaking around $130,000–$150,000, before a slight reduction in 2017.
• Work encroached into personal time as technology advanced (emails, smartphones), leading to “24/7” accessibility from Epstein beginning around 2011.

5. Travel & Physical Proximity to Epstein [12:00–14:30]

• Groff is careful to note she rarely traveled with Epstein or used his private planes.
  • She claims only a single helicopter trip to Little St. James.
  • She and her husband visited his Paris apartment, but only as guests.
• Did not visit Palm Beach, Zorro Ranch, or Ohio residences.

6. Direct Observations Concerning Minor Girls and Young Women [13:30–15:40]

• When specifically asked if she saw minor girls or young women at Epstein’s Manhattan residence, Groff denies ever witnessing any.
  • Stresses that, other than the office assistants—all adults—she never saw any such visitors between 2013 and 2019.
• Quote:

  “No minors, no... If you're talking about the assistants, all of age, not the staff.”
  (Lesley Groff, 14:50)

• When asked if she witnessed Epstein interact with minors/young women, she insists, “No.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the frantic nature of the job:

  “[Epstein] would call me and give me...directives of the people that he wanted to see that day. The call list was always huge...It was crazy. It was very, very busy...”
  (Lesley Groff, 03:40)

• On Epstein’s lack of technological use:

  “All telephone. I don't even think he had a cell phone. He definitely didn't have email...That's why he called me so often.”
  (Lesley Groff, 04:25)

• On never witnessing abuse:

  “From 2013 to 2019, the time that you spent at the residence, you never once saw minor girls or young women? That's correct.”
  (Congressional Interviewer & Lesley Groff, 14:50)

• On after-hours demands:

  “Yeah, he had no filter. It became more like 24/7…holidays...”
  (Lesley Groff, 07:20)

• On compensation:

  “I know after I had my child, I went up to 120,000, and that was...until 2009, and then it dropped...then it went back up in 2015...maybe as high as 150.”
  (Lesley Groff, 12:30)

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Important Timestamps

• Assistant Structure & Daily Routines – 01:28–05:00
• Communication & Workflow – 03:00–05:00
• Physical Office Layouts/Access Control – 05:30–11:00
• Work Schedule/Compensation – 07:00–13:10
• Staff & Visitor Control at Residences – 10:00–13:00
• Travel, Exposure to Epstein’s Other Properties – 12:00–14:30
• Direct Observations of Visitors (Minors/Young Women) – 13:30–15:40

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Episode Tone

The interview is matter-of-fact, occasionally tense, with Groff frequently claiming limited visibility or knowledge, and host Bobby Capucci's approach is direct and skeptical but measured. The exchange reflects on both the banality of day-to-day operations within Epstein’s organization—and the opacity that shielded so much of what transpired behind closed doors.

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Closing

Bobby Capucci wraps the episode by noting that this is only part of the transcript, promising that the next installment will continue unraveling Groff’s testimony and what it reveals about the broader Epstein network. All referenced materials are posted in the episode description.

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Transcript

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ZipRecruiter.com Zip what's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up where we left off with Leslie Groff transcripts from her interview with Congress. Question you talked a little bit about your role and responsibilities and also about the people that you work with. Can you say some more about the other assistants that Mr. Epstein had and your relationship to them? Answer sure. In the office, there was an assistant to Ms. Maxwell. There was an assistant to the two attorneys. There was when I first started a traveling assistant, there was another assistant there. She was only there briefly. And we had a receptionist I replaced. Redacted. She was Mr. Epstein's assistant and then I replaced her. So then I became the receptionist. Question did you at any point manage any of those assistants? Answer no. So you never had your own team of assistants? Answer no. Question and how did you fit in with the larger operation? So you mentioned earlier Darren Indyke. Also there was Richard Kahn. Would they have ever asked you to do anything? Would Maxwell have ever asked you to do anything or did you only respond to Mr. Epstein? It was Mr. Epstein purely question, what might a typical day look like? Sure, I would get in, try to get in by at least 8, $55 because he was definitely calling me at 9am sharp. He would call me and give me 20 to 10 to 20 pages of notes that he had to be thinking about all night, all throughout the night, in the morning and he'd call me with all of his directives of the people that he wanted to see that day. The call list was always huge. He would direct me to coordinate with his house staff. If he was going to be say leaving that day or the next day for Palm beach, he would want to make sure that the Palm beach staff was going to be ready to, to go and ready for his visit. I would have to coordinate with the pilots and he'd give me. It's possible. He gave me directives for people in the office as well to communicate. He would. It was just, it was crazy. It was very, very busy because at the same time that he was giving me all his directives, people were also calling in for him as well. I had the two phones on my desk and it was just non stop. So I would take messages from people are calling in for him as well as giving me directives. Question. When you say that he would have directives for people in the office to communicate, what do you mean? Answer. It would be like tell Darren to be sure and call so and so today. Like I was just the go between to tell Darren so that he didn't have to call Darren himself, that type of thing. Question. Got it. You talked a little bit about this earlier, but how would Mr. Epstein typically communicate with you? Answer. It was first, all telephone. All telephone. I don't even think he had a cell phone. He definitely didn't have email. So there was a lot. That's why he called me so often to find out his messages and find out about his schedule and give me more things to do. It was very typical for him to book things and then reschedule and then book again. It was chaotic. Question, at what point did he start emailing you? Because he clearly did. Did email you eventually? Yeah, he clearly did. I would say it was more around 2011. 10. 11, about then. Okay, so before 2011, 2012, he mostly called you, correct? Correct. Yes. Did he also text you? No, we were not texters. Okay. Mr. And just to go back quickly, you listed out who worked in the office and you mentioned Maxwell's assistant You mentioned redacted. Can you give us the names of those individuals, please? Who is Maxwell's assistant? Groff When I first started, it was redacted and then it was redacted. Mr. Redacted. Was there anyone else in that office that you recall, Ms. Groff? Yeah, there were two attorneys, Darren Indyke and Jeff Schantz. There was an accountant, Eric Ganny, and he was there when I first started. And then it changed to Richard Kahn. There was redacted, who I thought was the assistant to the accountant, the bookkeeper. Then there was Henry, Henry Beller, who I thought was the trader, did his trades, that sort of thing. And then after a while, it was Ahmad Hana, who was the controller. Mr. Redacted. Thank you. Misdacted Question what kind of hours did you work? Answer at first it was nine to five. It was typical. And then after I had my son, it changed. I was given a very flexible schedule. I would work usually two or three days a week in the office only when he was in town and I job shared with redacted. She would sit in for me when I was not there, and I got to work from home when he was not around. Question and you had your son in 2004, 2005. Answer 2004, December 16, 2004. So right on the cusp of 2005. Clean. Question so from 2001 to 2004, you're working nine to five in the office? Answer I think I got pregnant and was really, really pregnant. I got to work from home some as well. Question and once you had that flexible schedule, did you keep it or was there a point where you were in the office five days a week? Answer I got to keep the flexible schedule and I got to leave early as well. There was a train. I was able to leave at 4 instead of 5. I the days that I went in. Question did Mr. Epstein call or make requests of you outside of work hours? Answer that happened later with the smartphones. Yeah, he had no filter. It became more like 24. Seven holidays. Huh. Question when did that start? Answer I would say I'm just trying to remember 2011, 2012, 13. I'm just trying to put it in perspective of where I was living. Yeah, around that time period, it progressed over time. Question sure. So fair to say starting in 2011, 2012, maybe 2013, you were working pretty long hours because Mr. Epstein might reach out to you at any point. Answer yeah, it was not just typical hours. Question I'd like to ask you a few questions about the offices that you worked in you said earlier that when you started working for Mr. Epstein you worked at 457 Madison Avenue. Is that correct? Answer, Correct question. And that was from 2001 to 2009. Correct answer. Correct question. Can you tell us more about how that office was set up? Answer sure. So when you came into the courtyard of the Helmsley palace on the left hand side, what they call the Villard House, so you entered a door and there was a security guard there and then a small elevator that took you up to go to, I think it was the fourth floor. And that elevator dumped you right into the reception area of the office space. Then there was a receptionist desk there. There were two bathrooms. To the left there was a large office that had the accountants and the trader and the controller. To the right was Darren Endyke's office and kitchen. And then you headed down the corridor and there was a door on the right hand side that went into the office where Ms. Maxwell sat. Darren and Jeff's assistant redacted, sat in there and there were several desks. Question, what about Mr. Epstein? Where was he? Answer. Yeah, so down that same corridor there was a door. Oh, there was first of all Jeff Shant's office and then there was Mr. Epstein's office. Question and where were you in relationship or excuse me, where were you in relation to Mr. Epstein? Answer right. So my office was next to his. You had to go down the long corridor and the door to my office was right of the whole office and then my desk was in the middle. And he had a very, very large office and he had a door. You could enter his office from the corridor or there was a door next to the desk that you could enter into his office as well. Question. So you would have seen people coming in and out of his office? Answer actually he kept his door closed to my office most of the time. If people came, they entered in that first door to go into the office. He had a setup with a sofa and, and a fireplace at the front of the office and then at the back of the office was his desk.

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[Interviewer]

Question when you left the offices at 457 Madison, did you go next to 301 East 66th or was that Lexington office? Answer it was 301 East 66. Question and how long were you there? Answer I believe that was two, three years. Okay. Question so 2009 to 2011 or 12? Answer I think that's right, yeah. Question okay, and then after that you went to the Lexington office? Answer Correct. Question and how long were you there? Answer that was from about 2011 to 2013 or so. And that office remained. The people who were in that office stayed there. I started working from his home around 2013. Question and Mr. Epstein's office in his home was on the second floor, correct? He had an office on the second floor, huh? Question what floor was the massage room on? I don't know. I didn't go upstairs. Question you don't even know what floor it was on? It could have been. Well, I don't know for sure if it was on the third or the fourth or the fifth. Question and where was your office? Answer on the first floor. Question so you would have seen people come in and out of his residence? Answer actually, no. The way that the office was situated, you came in the front door and there was a foyer where you walked up about eight to 10 steps, and then at the platform at the top, there was a door on the left that was my office. It was an oval room. And my desk was set in the back of the office, which was actually the desk out the window was 71st Street. So you had to come up the steps, make a left into my office, and then come back towards the front of the house, if you will. And my desk was there so people could come and go. That would I. That I would not see. Question because your back was to the window? Groff. That's correct. Question and was there a doorman of any sort? Groff I would say a butler and the maid, if you called him doorman. I mean, not a doorman like you see in a New York City apartment. Question Sure. I guess a better question is if a visitor arrived there, who would let them in? Ms. Groff. It would be the maid, Lynn, the butler, Jojo, or maybe Rich was the engineer's security guy. Mr. Garcia, would it be one of those three that would have seen folks that were coming in and out more than anyone else of the three names you gave us, or is there anyone else that you would know that has more information about who was let in and out of the Residence. Groff. I would say that those are the top. The top three. Garcia. And we have the three names redacted. Yes, Garcia. Thank you. Redacted question. You said earlier that you have not been to his Palm beach residence. Is that correct? That's correct. Question. And you have not been to Zorro Ranch. Correct. Question. Did you ever go to his residence in Ohio? Answer. No. And you said you took day Trips to Little St. James, is that correct? Correct. And you said that you took a vacation there? No question. No answer. No question. Okay. And you and your husband visited his apartment in Paris, Is that correct? Correct. The guest department. Okay. Did you separately ever travel with Mr. Epstein? No. You said you've never been on any of his planes, Is that correct? Correct. I never traveled on his airplane. Did you ever travel on his helicopter? I did. How many times? Once. What for? To go to St. Thomas to his island. Approximately how much do you think that you earned over the course of your employment with Mr. Epstein? I've got to do some math. Mr. Whitcomb, you said there would be no math. Couldn't resist. Mr. Maybe you want to take her year by year. She can just give you maybe the salary. Groff, Can I give amounts? Question. Sure. You said it started at 50,000. Answer. Right. And I believe that was four up until 2005. I did get a bonus of $10,000 the first year. I don't recall how much of my bonus was the next year. I know after I had my child, I went up to 120,000, and that was for. Until 2009, and then it dropped to $1,008, and then it went back up in 2015 to, I don't know, 130,000, I'm guessing. I think maybe it went to as high as 150 and then it went back down again. When did it go down? In 2017, I think. Went down nominally. Question. As you know, in 2016, Mr. Epstein was charged with solicitation of prostitution and an. Excuse me. In 2006, Mr. Epstein was charged with solicitation of prostitution. In 2008, he pleaded to solicitation of prostitution and solicitation of a minor for prostitution, after which he served 13 months in the Palm beach stockade. We're going to get into that in more depth later, but I'd like to ask you some questions about what you were aware of in the time that you work for Mr. Epstein, and I'd like to focus on the time that you spent at 9E 71st Street. I understand that you didn't see people come in and out. But when you were there, the years that you spent there, did you see minor girls and young women at the property? Answer no minors, no question. Young women. If you're talking about the assistants, all of age, not the staff. Oh, no. No. So from 2013 to 2019, the time that you spent at the residence, you never once saw minor girls or young women? That's correct. You never observed Mr. Epstein interacting with minor girls or young women? No. Mr. Whitcomb at the residence? Misredacted at the residence. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here and in the next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.

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