Lesley Groff Faces Congress Over Her Role in Epstein’s Operation (6/9/26)

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Epstein Chronicles

Episode: Lesley Groff Faces Congress Over Her Role in Epstein’s Operation (6/9/26)
Host: Bobby Capucci
Date: June 9, 2026

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Overview: Main Theme

In this episode, host Bobby Capucci analyzes and critiques the Congressional Oversight Committee’s questioning of Lesley Groff, Jeffrey Epstein’s longtime executive assistant. Capucci examines Groff’s role in Epstein’s operation, her immunity under the 2007 Florida plea deal, and the systemic government failures that allowed those close to Epstein to evade substantial accountability. The host, known for his direct and sometimes brash commentary, also scrutinizes the broader political implications and perceived cover-ups within the investigation.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Lesley Groff in the Congressional Hot Seat

• Context: Lesley Groff, who worked for Epstein from 2001 to 2019, is testifying before the House Oversight and Reform Committee.
• Capucci emphasizes that, although Groff has not been accused of direct abuse, “she was a key cog in the Epstein machine. And without Leslie Groff, Jeffrey Epstein couldn't have done what he did.” (01:09)
• The host points out that due to the lack of RICO charges against Epstein, holding associates like Groff criminally liable has been virtually impossible:

  “If it wasn't a RICO operation in the government's eyes, then how can they charge Leslie Groff? … That was all by design.” (01:33)

2. Criticism of Congressional and Government Action

• Capucci is openly skeptical about the Committee’s real intent:

  “Their goal isn't to figure out what happened and hold people accountable. Their goal is to control the blast radius.” (01:57)

• He expresses frustration that the Epstein scandal has lost momentum in the public and media due to other geopolitical events overshadowing it.

3. Details of Groff’s Responsibilities and Knowledge

• Groff’s work included scheduling appointments, making calls, managing travel, and “from the beginning, massage was part of Epstein's day” (05:12).
• Capucci is critical of Groff’s claims of ignorance:

  “Let’s not act like you’re being forced to do this. She had no problem doing this job because she was being rewarded handsomely.” (04:15)

• On Groff arranging massages, some allegedly with minors, Capucci comments:

  “When you’re calling a high school girl, I would think that you know what’s going on... They knew what was going on—they all chose to look the other way.” (06:08)

4. Immunity and Legal Maneuvering

• Groff was one of four women granted immunity under Epstein’s 2007 plea deal.
• Capucci is incredulous about the rationale for Groff’s immunity:

  “So if she wasn’t a co-conspirator, why did they give her immunity? Please stop insulting our intelligence.” (07:21)

5. Defense Arguments and Capucci’s Rebuttals

• Groff’s attorney claims she was misled by Epstein, who insisted he was innocent:

  “After Epstein’s arrest in 2008 … he continuously lied to Leslie … insisting that he had been blackmailed and set up.” (07:50, attributed to attorney Michael Bauchner)

• Capucci calls these defenses implausible:

  “You just take him at face value? … No competent person’s buying it. … If I was working for somebody and they got nailed for picking up little girls and then called them a prostitute… I would quit, have a little bit of integrity.” (08:14)

6. Lack of Government Transparency and Bipartisan Critique

• Capucci is sharply critical of both Democratic and Republican efforts in the investigation and paints government actors as self-serving:

  “The truth is the government doesn't give a fuck about you. And it doesn't matter what party's in power. The sooner you guys wise up to that shit, the better off we're all gonna be.” (13:22)

7. Groff’s Civil Suits and Legal Outcomes

• Groff’s name appears in multiple civil suits by survivors, with accusations of facilitating abuse; her lawyer denies all wrongdoing, and those claims were dismissed.
• Capucci disputes the idea that ignorance is a defense, especially for logistical work that could involve trafficking.

8. Committee’s Ongoing Investigation

• Groff was subpoenaed, and other assistants like Sarah Kellen have also testified.
• Capucci previews future content, planning to examine newly released transcripts, including Kellen’s.

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Memorable Quotes

• Capucci on the real purpose of Congressional hearings:

  “Their goal isn't to figure out what happened and hold people accountable. Their goal is to control the blast radius. And unfortunately, they've done a pretty good job.” (01:57)

• Capucci on Groff’s job:

  “She had no problem doing this job because she was being rewarded handsomely. … What do they care about these kids? What do they care about these women from Russia? Not their problem. Right?” (04:15)

• Capucci on immunity:

  “So if she wasn't a co conspirator, why did they give her immunity? Please stop insulting our intelligence.” (07:21)

• Capucci on government hypocrisy:

  “Whenever we have a Republican administration, the Democrats, well, they can't wait to tell you how much they don't trust the government. Meanwhile … the government's doing the right thing. … The truth is the government doesn't give a fuck about you.” (13:10–13:22)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:53 — Capucci introduces the day’s main topic: Groff’s Congressional testimony
• 02:30 — Host lays out the RICO legal framework and its purposeful omission
• 04:15 — Discussion of Groff’s incentives and role within Epstein’s operation
• 05:12 — The nature of Groff’s daily tasks (scheduling “massages”)
• 07:21 — Host questions the justification for Groff’s immunity
• 08:14 — Rebuttal of Groff’s legal defense about being misled by Epstein
• 12:10 — Release of further FBI documents naming Groff as a possible co-conspirator
• 13:22 — Capucci’s culminating critique on government and elite complicity
• 15:51 — Upcoming content preview: analysis of Sarah Kellen’s testimony and future coverage of Groff’s transcript

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Tone and Style

• The host is blunt, skeptical, and unapologetically critical of both legal and political establishments.
• Language is direct and at times profane, reflecting both outrage and frustration at perceived injustice and systemic failure.

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Additional Notes

• The episode skips detailed legal or biographical information in favor of strong commentary and analysis.
• Capucci draws frequent parallels to the concept of “kayfabe” from wrestling, suggesting that political and legal adversaries are often cooperating behind the scenes.
• Listeners are promised deeper dives into ongoing Congressional transcripts and investigative documents as they are released.

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This summary captures the major arguments, quoted highlights, and structure of the episode, providing a complete guide for those who missed it or want a reference.

Transcript

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This has never been about getting to the bottom of anything. And I hate to say it, this committee is no different. Their goal isn't to figure out what happened and hold people accountable. Their goal is to control the blast radius. And unfortunately, they've done a pretty good job. I mean, the topic certainly doesn't have the momentum that it had before. Everybody's talking about Iran. Everybody's talking about this, that, or the other thing. Meanwhile, these scumbags are happy as hell, swimming around in their money like Scrooge McDuck and screwing the rest of us still. But I mean, what does that matter with all the winning that's going on with Iran, right? I mean, how can we stomach all this winning? I mean, Is there a more jubilant feeling than paying 90 bucks to fill up your sedan? I mean, not to veer too far off course here, but what did we gain? What was gained by the whole entire thing in Iran? But putting some distance between the Epstein files and the administration, do you really think they're not gonna have nuclear weapons anymore? All this is is Obama 2.0, but I guess it's okay this time because it's, you know, your guy. Today's article is from the Guardian and the headline Jeffrey Epstein Assistant Leslie Groff Set to Testify before the House Panel. This article was authored by Anna Betts. Leslie Groff, Jeffrey Epstein's longtime executive assistant, is testifying on Tuesday before the House Oversight and Reform Committee as lawmakers on the panel continued their investigation into the late convicted sex offender. And do we really think that Leslie Groff doesn't have a story to tell? She most certainly does. She knows the who's, the whys, the whens and the wearers. And up until this point, she hasn't come forward and talked about any of it. Grof worked for Epstein for almost 20 years, beginning in 2001 and ending in July 2019 when he was arrested. Notes from a 2021 FBI interview with Grof, which was included in the millions of documents related to Epstein released by the Department of Justice earlier this year, state that she told the agents that she began working for Epstein after she was contacted by a headhunter who found her resume and told her that there was a job to organize one man's life. And okay, I get it, that sounds like a great job, right? But once you're there and you see what's going on, all those excuses go out the window. Let's not act like you're being forced to do this. She had no problem doing this job because she was being rewarded handsomely. A lot of money, a lot of prestige, use of Jeffrey Epstein's jets, his apartments, all of it. And that allure, it draws people in. And people are willing to go to great lengths to try to rationalize that kind of with themselves as long as they're benefiting monetarily or in other ways. What do they care about these kids? What do they care about these women from Russia? Not their problem. Right? The man turned out to be Jeffrey Epstein, and Groff told agents that she had not previously heard of him. She said that she interviewed with several people for the position, including Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, Epstein's longtime associate who's currently serving a 20 year prison sentence for sex trafficking Crimes. According to the FBI document, Groff said that she signed a non disclosure agreement. Well, yeah, they all do. They all did. But that doesn't mean anything in criminal court. Criminal court is where NDAs go to die. So the NDA, that's going to protect you from embarrassing, you know, talking public, that's not going to protect you from a federal investigation, or at least it shouldn't. But when it comes to people like Jeffrey Epstein, of course, different rules, right? Rules for them, and then rules for us. The document states that Grof told agents that her responsibilities included scheduling meetings, making phone calls, coordinating with Epstein's driver and chef and other people, and managing much of his daily schedule and appointments. According to the FBI notes, Grof told investigators that from the beginning, massage was part of Epstein's day. There were normal appointments. Groff's job was to make appointments, the FBI notes say. To Grof, making massage appointments was just another appointment she made for Epstein, adding that Epstein would call Grof in the morning and say something like, call and see if she can do a massage at 14. You know what? That's all fine and well, but when you're calling a high school girl, I would think that you know what's going on now. She'll say, I had no idea how old she was. But how many of you believe that? Do you really think that these people that were working together, that were in Epstein's orbit, didn't talk? They knew what was going on? They all chose to look the other way? That's my opinion, and I think the contemporaneous facts back that up. But the hard part is, how do you prove that? You can't prove that in a court of law, right? So unless you charge them with rico, there's nothing you can do. Your hands are tied. As law enforcement in recent years, Groff has faced public scrutiny after it emerged that she was among four women identified as possible co conspirators and granted immunity from prosecution under Epstein's controversial 2007 plea deal with federal prosecutors in Florida. So if she wasn't a co conspirator, why did they give her immunity? Please stop insulting our intelligence. Holy one. Asked last month about Grof's knowledge of details surrounding Epstein's 2008 conviction, her attorney, Michael Bauchner, told the Guardian that after Epstein's arrest in 2008, he continuously lied to Leslie and other members of the staff, insisting that he had been blackmailed and set up. So you believe it? You just take him at face value. The government was in on it. Everybody Was Jeffrey Epstein. That's the deal. I mean, it's a good excuse, but no competent person's buying it. If I was working for somebody and they got nailed for picking up little girls and then called them a prostitute, the second I heard the news, I would quit, have a little bit of integrity. Like, I understand we have bills to pay. And yeah, there's other jobs, there's other to do and there's other people to work for, but for 20 years, well, Leslie Groff had no desire to do any of that. Bauchner added that Epstein angrily said that the allegations against him were simply false and he had no idea that the prostitute he had contact with was a minor, adding that in Leslie's mind, that was the reason that he was treated so leniently by law enforcement. But before and after he was sentenced, like, you don't go to an escort, a professional, somebody that wants to be doing what they're doing, because believe me, I have no problem with people who want to engage in, you know, sex work. I don't care. Not my business. Nothing I do. But I'm not everybody else, and not everybody else is me. And not everybody has the same moral compass. I get that. And I'm certainly not somebody that gives a what anybody does in their bedroom. But the whole story here about how she had no idea about how he was being blackmailed. Who buys that? Does anybody out there really buy that? And to tell you the truth, I highly doubt that 12 jurors would buy it either. Imagine being a juror getting all the evidence in a RICO case and then Leslie Groff telling you she doesn't know. I don't think that would work out for her. In fact, what you would see is everybody turning on everybody else. And that is why we don't have rico.

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The Epstein files released by the Justice Department also included an internal FBI document from 2019 that lists eight people as possible co conspirators, including Grof. In a statement to NBC News earlier this year, Groff's lawyer said that she'd never seen the document and was unaware of it. Well, that's because they never pursued it. There was never a real investigation. Just like I told you. So all those dumb motherfuckers out there that cry and bitch and moan and run narratives that this has all been investigated. They're liars. The whole ass lot of them. A bunch of propaganda pushing punk ass liars. In fact, neither Leslie nor her counsel were ever notified by law enforcement that she was considered an Epstein co conspirator, her lawyer said. On the contrary, after Leslie voluntarily spoke with prosecutors and answered each and every question asked of her, she was told that she was not being prosecuted. Well, that's a big problem too. Do you guys not get it? It's not just about what Epstein Did. It's about what the government did. And I wish people would just wake up and see the forest through the trees here. Whenever we have a Republican administration, the Democrats, well, they can't wait to tell you how much they don't trust the government. Meanwhile, you have all the people that were just telling us under Biden that the government can't be trusted. Well, they're all big time fans of the government now. And the government's doing the right thing. And the storms gathering and where we go one, we go all. The truth is the government doesn't give a fuck about you. And it doesn't matter what party's in power. And the sooner you guys wise up to that shit, the better off we're all gonna be. Do you think these people really care about you while you're fighting with all your friends or not inviting your cousin Joe to Christmas because he has a different political view than you? Meanwhile, all these people behind the scenes, they're living it up. You ever hear of kayfabe in wrestling? They may pretend they're enemies, right? But behind the scenes, obviously it's all fake. And they're friends. Same in politics. These people despise you. So why in the hell would you run cover for them? Why in the hell would you defend their on a regular basis? Groff's name also appeared in a 2020 FBI interview with a survivor of Epstein's abuse, in which the person, whose name is redacted, said that they felt like Groff knew what was going on and knew the massage appointments were sexual. But the person acknowledged that that they never said anything to Leslie about the massages. Following Epstein's death, Groff, along with several other employees and associates of Epstein, was named in several civil lawsuits filed by survivors against Epstein and his estate. Some plaintiffs accused her of facilitating his abuse. Groff's attorney has said that she never engaged in any misconduct and never knowingly made travel arrangements for anyone on under 18. The civil claims against Groff were later dismissed. Yeah, well, what about travel arrangements for women who are being trafficked? Ever make those? Did you ever schedule a flight for somebody to come from point A to point B, crossing state lines or international lines with the express purpose of them being abused or used for sex? Well, then congratulations. You're now part of the conspiracy. Her lawyer has also said the allegations against Groff in civil suits simply wrong, confused, and devoid of any facts establishing that she had any idea of Epstein's horrible and nefarious conduct. Grof was subpoenaed by the House Committee in March to appear before the panel for an interview. Due to public reporting, documents released by the Department of Justice and documents obtained by the committee, the committee believes you have information that will assist in its investigation, the letter from Representative James Comer, the Republican who chairs the committee, reads. Last month, another one of Epstein's former assistants, Sarah Kellen, also testified before the House committee as part of their investigation. In her testimony, Kellen denied she was an accomplice of Epstein and said that she was sexually and psychologically abused by the late financier during her unemployment. And look, like I've said, I have no doubt that Sarah Kellen was abused. That doesn't give her immunity from the she did, though. And unless she provides some actionable intelligence on somebody, well, she should be right up there with everybody else when it comes to investigations. And now that we're done with the Pam Bondi transcript, we're going to be diving in to the Sarah Kellen transcript. We'll see what she had to say. And then after they release this Leslie Grof transcript, well, we'll be diving into that bad boy too. So until then, that's going to do it for this one. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.

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