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Mega Edition: A Look Back At The Ghislaine Maxwell Trial (Part 2) (7/11/26)
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This episode takes a flashback look at some of the biggest moments from the Ghislaine Maxwell trial, revisiting the testimony, courtroom exchanges, and key developments that stood out as the case unfolded. Rather than retelling the entire trial from...
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Bobby Capucci
Hey, everybody.
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Bobby Capucci
What's up everyone? And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Hope that everybody had a great weekend out there. Got yourselves nice and recharged and prepared for the week to come. Now, last week we heard some pretty explosive testimony from Juan Alessi, Jeffrey Epstein's ex butler slash housekeeper. We also heard testimony from a couple of the police officers who were involved in the first raid of Jeffrey Epstein's Palm Beach House in 2005. We heard from one of the accusers, one of the survivors themselves, and we also heard from several other people. Now, this next week, I expect it to be more of the same. I would hope, though, that the prosecution swings a very big hammer in this upcoming week because I have to be honest with you folks, I am not too confident in the prosecution. I am not too confident in the federal government. And the more the case moves forward and the more we see the pattern of the defense just absolutely hammering every witness that's brought up by the prosecution. I would hope that the prosecution has a few big swings of their own coming up because I didn't see much of that in week one. I saw, you know, some pretty devastating testimony being given by Jane and the specialists. As far as the police officers who were involved in the first raid, they offered some nice context, but I've never been a fan of Juan Alessi's and I think that he is a pretty weak witness. Now, he does establish that these girls, or at least some of these girls were at the property, were there with Maxwell. He did establish some of that stuff, Right. And, and build a bit of a foundation. But it was also brought to light that he stole money from Epstein, tried to steal a gun from Epstein, all kinds of other things that, you know, the defense is going to latch onto. Now, with that said, no witness is perfect, right? You're not going to have a perfect witness who comes up there and gives the perfect testimony. And a lot of times when someone does, that's a bit concerning too, right? Because you're wondering, is this staged? Did they fake this? Did they come up with this as part of some sort of scam or plot? So I just think that the defense is using a scorched earth policy right now, and I can't really blame them, honestly. They don't really have any other way to go. But I still find it to be gross and disgusting now. Not so much when they're hammering people like Alessi. By the way, Juan Alessi's fair game up on that stand and he should get absolutely hammered by both sides. And that goes for every single one of these witnesses. I think that when you have a survivor up there, however, perhaps the absolute destruction of their character is not the right way to go. And again, this is just somebody who is observing this. Right. I'm not a lawyer. I, you know, I, I took a Criminal Justice 101 in college and decided very quickly that that wasn't the, the, the pathway for me. So again, I'm certainly not a lawyer, I'm not a journalist. I just curate this news and comment on it. But, you know, you would think that the defense is going to continue on this path, and it's going to be up to the prosecution to, to bite down on their mouthpiece and really come out swinging because they're going to have to push the ball here. They're going to have to really set the tone. And I hope that as we move forward and into this week, they're going to bring some more witnesses up to the stand that are going to do just that because they're building the foundation. I could see the way the prosecution's going, right. We can all see how they're building these blocks to get. Continue their argument, to frame it. As Maxwell not only was Epstein's buddy, but that she also had a leadership role here and took part in abusing these girls. So I could see the, what they're doing. I can see how they're trying to build this case, but I don't think that they're going hard enough. Like I've said a million times before, this should be a RICO case. There's not even a doubt about it in my mind. And that was just reaffirmed to me over the weekend when I was talking to one of my friends from high school who is a lawyer, and him and I were having a pretty detailed conversation about RICO in general and talking about this case specifically. And he said the same thing that he is just. It blows him away that this is not a RICO case. It has all of the hallmarks, everything you look for. And if he was a prosecutor, he said that he would have for sure pursued this as a RICO case. But for some reason, I'll leave that up to you all to decide. Everybody has their own opinion as to why, but for some reason they decided that RICO wasn't necessary here. It was necessary for R. Kelly, it was necessary for Keith Rainier and Allison Mack, but it's not necessary for Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and their criminal enterprise. So I'll let everybody else, you know, figure out why or you know, come up with their own conclusions as to why. But for me, it's rather obvious, right? They're making sure that all of this dirty laundry does not get aired. This is as dirty of the laundry as they want out there. They understand very, very, very much so that it looks so bad for the federal government, what went on here, it looks so bad for the United States government, how they conducted themselves here, that if the doors were really blown off of this thing and it was really investigated with a financial angle, that it would be impossible for them to keep the lid on it. And it would really expose the whole entire financial system as the joke that it is as, as the scam that it is. And really, honestly, it is rigged against all of us. Now I know a lot of you out there are sitting there saying, what are you talking about? I have great credit. I've never had any issues with the bank. I don't mean your local branch, okay? I don't mean on a one on one basis. I'm talking about the big picture. Who do you think is funding all of these jerk off politicians? Who do you think is making the needle move? Certainly not me or you. You think your hundred dollar donation, your thousand dollar donation to your favorite politician really means anything in the long term? Doesn't these people in the financial sector, all of Jeffrey Epstein's buddies like Jess Staley and Leon Black and the rest of the people at J.P. morgan and Deutsche bank, all of these people that were facilitating Epstein's money moves, all of these people who are facilitating the money Moves of oligarchs and scumbag criminals around the world. They do it with impunity, folks. There's never any backlash for them. You know, how the boomerang supposed to come back around and, and, and you know, catch them? It doesn't because they have a bunch of money, because they have a bunch of friends. And instead of them being held liable as far as criminal, they end up just paying huge gigantic fines and moving on with their lives and continuing to do what they do. So when we're looking at this trial, right, I'm not one of the people that's gonna sit here and say, ah, this is horrible. This is because it's a good thing at the very least to have Maxwell on trial, right? I'm not gonna downplay that. But the fact of the matter is it does not go far enough. And that's not me just saying it, right? That is what the survivors themselves are saying. That's what people who have been following the case from the jump are saying. And if you want real justice and you want to really bring people to heal, people to be held responsible for their behavior, with Jeffrey Epstein, the one pathway towards doing that, to make sure everybody involved is caught up, is through the financial backdoor. But they won't do it. And they've already said this has nothing to do with the finances of Jeffrey Epstein. Meanwhile, Darren Endyke and Richard Khan, who are in charge of the estate, mind you had their fingerprints over the whole entire operation. So I get it. When people look at this case, they look at the overall picture and say it's, it's, it's a joke. Because really there's never been any justice administered here. And now you look at this Ghislaine Maxwell trial. Not as much transparency as there should be. No call in number. Unless you're one of the few people that are in that room in the courtroom, you really don't know the actual scoop unless you're getting it served to you. And I don't like that. I don't like having to rely on other people to tell me what's going on. I am not a fan of it. And it's one of the main reasons I started looking into this case in the first place. I'm tired of being lied to, point blank, period. And I know most of you out there feel the same way. Now that doesn't mean people are always going to get it right. Doesn't mean I'm always going to get it right. But the outright lying to people is absolute bullshit. And it has to end. Hey everybody.
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Bobby Capucci
So people are tired of it, right? People don't want to be BSed anymore. People want the real story. And unfortunately, the real story is still not being told here. The full story to its maximum capacity. And you have all of these people who have all of a sudden got a huge interest in this case. Well, you know what that really means is they feel like they can make some money on this case. So now everybody's an expert. Everybody's an expert. And everybody has all of these ideas and all of these great, great, great theories about what occurred. And meanwhile, in reality, they had their chance. The federal government had their chance. Not only when Epstein was hemmed up the second time, but throughout this whole entire ordeal with Maxwell. They could have fired off so many more indictments and had so many more people wrapped up in this. Now, can you imagine how explosive this trial would be if there was a financial aspect to it? And we had people like Wexner, Leon Black, Glenn Dubin and the rest of them taking the stand. Now that, my friends, would be the sort of justice I'm interested in, right? All of these people who have been engaging in these crimes, facilitating Epstein's crimes, helping Maxwell out for all of these years to get brought before a judge and a jury of their peers. Now, obviously, that's about as much fantasy land as Game of Thrones in our current environment. But that would be the ultimate goal, right? If we were really going to get justice, full justice, that's what it would be. But they're not interested in that, unfortunately. So we're going to get what we get here. And all I can hope is that Maxwell ends up going to prison. And unless the. The prosecution picks up some steam here and starts going harder in the paint, I'm questioning if that's even going to happen at this point. Now, I've always been of the mind that there is a mountain of evidence here, Mount Everest high, and that you would have to be legitimately either one of the worst prosecutors of all time or throwing the case on purpose to. To not get a conviction. A conviction here. And I'll tell you, it's starting to look like one or the other, because I'm not very confident in Maureen Comey. I've said that from jump Street. I don't really care for her as a prosecutor. I don't know her as a person. So I can't, you know, make a, you know, a statement one way or the other about her personal character or anything like that. But I will tell you this. I am not confident in her as an attorney or a prosecutor. And the fact that she's also prosecuting Nicholas Tartaglioni is a head scratcher to me. Now, Allison Mo, for the most part, has done a pretty good job. She has been a pretty solid prosecutor throughout this whole entire thing. But even with her and Pomeranz, I'm not super confident in the prosecution. I've told you folks from day one how I feel about the SDNY and how I feel about the way that they have conducted themselves in the past 10 years or so. Certainly not something that inspires confidence. It's not the same SDNY that put the Mafia out of business. Certainly not. In fact, I would even go out on a limb and say that they're more interested in going after their political opponents than they are in going after Jeffrey Epstein or his friends, considering how long this occurred right under their noses in the middle of Manhattan. So they can talk about how they're interested in this and how the SDNY is, you know, on the case and this, that, the other thing. But I don't have confidence in the sdny. And obviously, folks, like everything else we talk about here, we're talking about my opinion. And for me, it's just when you look at the overall picture, the way that things have went with the sdny, with some of their investigations as of late, and the way that they deploy their resources, I don't know how anyone can have confidence in them. So it's going to be very interesting to see how the, how the prosecution molds their strategy moving forward. And obviously a lot of it's going to come down to and rely on the testimony from the survivors themselves because they're going to have the most impactful testimony, right? Their testimony is going to weigh the most as far as the court is concerned, at least in my opinion. I would think that if I was sitting on the jury, the most impactful statements to me would be from the actual people who were abused or molested or whatever it may be. Now, again, I've never sat on a jury for something like this, so it might be completely different. But I have a hard time believing that if the prosecution frames it all correctly and gets the right information out there that Maxwell can get off here. Now her defense team is working overtime to set it up as Maxwell is not only being given a bad shake as far as her trial and stuff, but her living conditions. And recently, a little while ago, again, they're talking about how she's not getting enough food, enough this, enough that, and filing briefs with the court to that tune. And they're going to continue to do that, they're going to continue to pester, they're going to continue to poke, they're going to continue to produce. And what they're trying to do is set up the appearance that Maxwell has gotten a bad shake the whole entire time here she hasn't been treated fairly and that if she wasn't a rich socialite that she would have been treated differently. And to that I say, have you ever heard the story of Kalief Browder? I posted a two part article about Kalief Browder and what he went through at Rikers Island. And when you look at that side by side to what Ghislaine Maxwell is saying, that she's going through the punishment she's being dealt. It's laughable at best. And it's, oh, I've always found it gross that Maxwell would try and put herself into a category as somebody who's oppressed. She's never been oppressed in her whole life. In fact, I would even argue that she's been the oppressor her whole life. And now that she's getting a little taste of prison, of jail like the rest of us would if we were in her position. She doesn't like it. And now all of a sudden it's time for jail reform. It's time for things to change. Well, guess what, Ghislaine Maxwell, things are going to change, hopefully in our jail system at some point, but you're not going to be the catalyst for that. Your complaints and your nonsense isn't going to be what moves the needle. Alright? So enjoy the baloney sandwiches. Now today I would expect that we see more from the witness that was on the stand last on Friday. He was only on the stand for a little while, so I would guess that he's going to come back on and speak a little bit more about the first raid of Epstein's place and, and you know, the sex toys, the massage table and all of that jazz. But beyond that, I'm not sure who the witnesses are going to be today. I, I'm not, I haven't seen any witness list. I've looked and I've looked in the mornings for all of the day so far and haven't been able to see that. So I'm guessing they're just holding it real close to their vest. And we won't know until the witnesses are brought up in front of the judge and the jury. So that's where we're at this morning, folks, as the trial is just getting underway right now, about 10 minutes ago. Obviously, I'll be around all day doing the same thing that I did last week. I'll go through and try and curate as much of the notes as I can from the day's proceedings and I'll put them into a digestible form for us for later on tonight and we'll take a look at what went on throughout the day. Hopefully we'll be able to get some more details out of that courtroom. And I think that's the most important part, right what goes on in the courtroom. Now, obviously we can only get what we can get. There's not a full transcript coming out, not full transparency, and there's certainly not a call in line like there should be. So we're kind of at the mercy of those who are in the courtroom firing off these reports. And for the most part, a lot of these folks are doing a really good job. So I'll continue to do that, curate them from several different sources. If you want to follow along live on Twitter, Inner City Press is a good source. So is Adam Klassfeld. And yeah, so if you're looking to follow along live, you could do that. If not, obviously I'll have it all ready to go later on tonight, curated and put into a digestible form so that we can see what occurred and you folks can get on with your day. Alright everybody, that's gonna wrap it up for this morning and obviously we'll see what happens. But I'm looking at the same schedule as usual, few context episodes and then tonight we'll do our wrap up. Alright folks, that's gonna do it. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that@bobby capuchirotonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A P U C c I@protonmail.com youm can also find me on Twitter. B O B B Y C A P U C C I. Oh, I
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Bobby Capucci
All right, everybody. I will be back later on and I hope that all of you have a great day. What's up everyone and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Day 7 of the Ghislaine Maxwell trial just wrapped up a little while ago and witness Carolyn, who went into a incredibly disturbing account of what happened to her at the hands of Maxwell and Epstein. She took the brunt of the questioning today. She was on the stand for most of the day. And there were some pretty testy moments during the exchanges. As usual, Ghislaine Maxwell's legal team have kept up their full, full court press and looked to destroy the credibility of each and every witness that gets on the stand. Now, obviously we're going to get to all of that, but there was also a pretty shocking revelation that came at the end of the day today, and that was the prosecution saying that they're gonna be prepared to wrap their case up by this week. Now, remember, this is supposed to be a five to six week trial, according to the court and the prosecutors. Now all of a sudden, all of a sudden, today we're looking at it only being two weeks. As far as the prosecution goes,
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Bobby Capucci
would think that they'd have more up their sleeve. And it just goes right to the point that I've been trying to make forever, to be honest with you, that I have no confidence that the federal government of the United States has any interest in really bringing people who are involved in this to justice. They're throwing a little red meat here, right, folks? You know, in the interest of appearances, we'll pursue this a little bit. But in reality, if they really wanted to go after these people, if they really wanted to make sure that this all stuck, then this would have been a RICO case. But now they're using this smaller scope, the 10 year period. And it certainly looks like the prosecution, at least from where I'm sitting, is not doing that great of a job. Now, the witness testimony has been pretty damning. There's no doubt about it. When you listen to these girls recount what occurred to them at the hands of Maxwell and Epstein and their cohorts, it's distressing as hell. But there is so much more here that the prosecution's just leaving in the toolbox. And again, it goes back to the original strategy. Why is it that only these four girls are being brought up as witnesses? We know that this is the same exact thing that occurred the first time around when they empaneled the Grand Jerry down in Palm Beach. They. They only brought one girl up to testify in front of the grand jury. And what did they do? They destroyed her credibility because she talked to some boys on FA on MySpace at the time and she drank and smoked some weed. So all of a sudden her testimony is not credible. And now Fast forward to 2021, and we see the same thing happening now. Where's all the outrage? You know, you see all of these people who want to march and go crazy and, and act the fool whenever they can move the political football. But for something like this, you would think that people would be up in arms. So where is all of the solidarity with Jeffrey Epstein's survivors? I would like to see that same kind of energy put out there. But one thing I have learned in the past, oh, I don't know, two and a half, three years of covering this case and investigating this case is that nobody, perhaps ever, when it comes to stuff like this, has been forgotten more than these girls. It has been an absolute travesty from start to finish. And now, just when you think that there's a chance for some of this stuff to come to light, just when you think there's a chance that, you know, the doors might get blown off of this thing, prosecution talks about arresting their case. So that caught me really off guard, honestly, and I don't know what to think about it. So we'll have to see a little bit more what comes out in the overnight hours and into the morning about their strategy here. But I don't understand how they can even begin to think about resting their case. So we'll have to see what their strategy is. But as usual, I am not very confident at all, especially considering all of the circumstances surrounding all of it. I told you folks from Jump street that I'm not confident in Maureen Comey. Why is Maureen Comey, who is also prosecuting Nicholas Tartaglione, why is she in charge of this case as well? So there's just a lot of things that never made sense to me. They still don't make sense to me. And I, unfortunately, I figured and knew that even after this trial, there would still be way too many questions and not enough answers because this trial and the scope of this trial was never large enough. Now, I. I honestly don't know if or when we'll ever see any justice at this point, folks. And that's just the. The truth of the matter, as far as I can see it. It's a bit discouraging to hear that the prosecution is ready to close their case now. Maybe they think they have done enough to get a conviction already. And like I said, the testimony was pretty damning. But with all of the evidence that's available, all of the stuff that's been out there, all of the stuff that we have heard from these survivors about Maxwell and Her behavior. You would think that they'd really try and ram the point home. You would think that they would bring a parade of girls to come out and testify, even if their. Their testimony doesn't have to do with the actual charges. What wouldn't that be? Showing that this is the kind of person Maxwell is. Kind of like character witnesses. You saw it with Harvey Weinstein in.
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Bobby Capucci
In a few instances. So it's very disheartening to think that the prosecution is gonna be done here. But I guess we'll have to wait and see, right? We'll have to see what comes of this, and we'll have to see what the next couple of days bring at the very least, because I'm hearing that they're talking about being done on Thursday, resting their case on Thursday. So one can only imagine what is on deck for tomorrow. Before we get to that, however, why don't we discuss what went down today inside of that courtroom and take a look at some of the proceedings that were. Were underway in day seven of the Ghislaine Maxwell trial. So the trial kicks off pretty much the same way as the other six day. Ha. The. The other. The other six days have with the prosecutors and the defense arguing before the jury even comes in. This time over Jane, the witness who testified previously and what she told her boyfriend and when she told him it. Judge Nathan decides that if the prosecution wants to call him to testify, then they'll have to call him after lunch. After that, there was another sealed sidebar. And then the jury comes out to. To get started. So they never ended up bringing this other witness that they were talking about bringing out to. To talk today to put under oath and give their statement. So nothing came of that. Anyway, uh, Maureen Comey handling things right now as far as the first portion of the. The case today.
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Bobby Capucci
they continue on with the FBA FBI agent from yesterday. And evidence is once again provided. The agent was. Was asked directly to identify the people in the pictures. And the agent identifies the people in the pictures as Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. These photos are relevant because they were found on CDs from the 2019 raid of Epstein's. And they weren't protected by the NPA from 2005, by the way. And some of these CDs were found in that safe that, you know, we've talked about several times from the raid at Epstein's house when he was arrested the second time around. They found a bunch of stuff in that safe. Diamonds they found money, fake Saudi Arabian passport. All Sorts of things. And Epstein was known to have some cash on hand so he can make, you know, payoffs to his cohorts or for his air quotes, massages, stuff like that. But these CDs were found in 2019, and the photos that were put into evidence were showing Jeffrey Epstein and Maxwell in these photos. Next, the evidence that's put into the court is sealed. And prosecution, they give the jurors instructions on where to find that in their binders, the sealed file portion. So pictures are shown of Epstein and Maxwell hugging and in otherwise close poses, the ones that aren't sealed. And after a short cross examination, the defense was done. So that wrapped it up for the FBI agent who finished off yesterday and started off today. It was about some of the evidence that was procured in the first, the second raid of Epstein in 2019. So this was an FBI agent who was involved in that raid, who was involved in handling the evidence. And this was somebody who was putting the pieces together to show the connections, obviously, between Maxwell and Epstein. Now, the next witness that they call up onto the stand is Stephen Flatley, an instructor from Quantico, which is the headquarters of the FBI, and he's in charge of one of their digital departments, reconstructing hard drives and stuff like that. Comey goes on to ask flatly about one of the hard drives that was registered to GMax and then referred to an email address from Mindstring. Mindspring. Excuse me, that was Maxwell's. Comey goes on to ask about an email that discussed John, which is interesting because remember, Ghislaine Maxwell used to. Used to call Juan Juanalesi John. And when you look at the things that she was talking about in this email, it was obvious that she was talking about Juana Lessee, considering what his duties were as far as being Epstein's butler slash housekeeper. So again, shows the ties, right? Shows the connections. Um, she goes on to talk about several things that John did poorly in this email, and including a pool deck being dirty and there being no pens. She also went on to complain about massage creams that were left in disarray in Epstein's bathroom. So we know that Wanna Lessee has already testified about the bathroom, the sex toys, the massage oils and that stuff. So now we see an email from Ghislaine Maxwell herself from the GMAX account, talking about this very thing, basically corroborating what Juana Lessi said previously. So this gentleman from Quantico went through the whole entire spiel about, you know, the computers, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and then we're back to sealing items. So now exhibit number418 is offered up, but it's offered up under seal. And that's pretty much it for the prosecution as far as with this witness, the, the instructor from Quantico. Now, Laura Mettinger for the defense begins her cross by asking several questions about computer files. And if he, the FBI agent can say for sure if anything was changed or not during copying. And he admits that he can't. Right. He didn't have possession of this computer all the time. He doesn't know what happened to it at all the time. So what they're trying to do here is establish that there could have been somebody who could have messed with some files. Not a very strong defense, not a very strong strategy, in my opinion. But that certainly looks to be what they're trying to set up. They were also talking about locations and if they could determine where Maxwell was with the, the emails, but with it being emails from a desktop computer, it would make geolocation a moot point. So there wasn't anything that they could gleam from that. And with that, that's it for this witness as well. Menninger releases this witness and the early morning of the proceedings is wrapped up.
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Bobby Capucci
Now, like I said, the majority of this was Carolyn, who is testifying under her first name, and somebody who was allegedly abused by Maxwell and Epstein. So Carolyn next up on the stand. And the prosecution starts out asking some questions about her background, such as how long she went to school for. And she responds that she dropped out. She was. School was done for her in seventh grade. She also goes on to discuss how her mother was an alcoholic. Now, remember, these are exactly the kind of situations that Maxwell and Epstein thrived upon, that they were always looking for. They were looking for somebody from a broken home or in a situation where they needed financial help or other help. And they can swoop in and offer that help, but only if you played their game right, Only if you came back to the house for the massages, and only if you brought other girls and nothing was given for free. And we know that it was their complete and utter mo. How many of these girls were from disadvantaged backgrounds? How many of them came from parents who had drug addiction or parents who had money problems working two jobs? And the sad reality is, folks, those are the people that are always preyed upon. They're the most vulnerable amongst us. And that is exactly what. Where Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell like to focus their attention. When she was asked how old she was when she was first introduced to Epstein, she replied that she was 14 and that someone named Sean introduced them. Originally, she says she told Shawn she was 17, but he found out her real age at her birthday party. Now, think about that. She tells this dude he's 17. Then at the birthday party, he finds out she's 14. I mean, really, bro? You're still hanging out with her? Really? She goes on to tell the court that it was this relationship with Sean that led to her meeting Virginia Roberts. According to Carolyn, she was introduced to Epstein to give him massages so she could make some money. Now, there was a whole thing where Ghislaine Maxwell's legal team was throwing Virginia's name around in this. And we're going to get to that a little. A little bit further down here. But it was quite transparent what they were trying to do. They were trying to set it up as if Virginia Roberts was a human trafficker and not Ghislaine Maxwell, when in reality it was Ghislaine Maxwell. According to all These reports at the top of the food chain here, giving the orders for this to occur, normalizing all of this grooming, all of them. She goes on to say, you know, she was. Had no education, she's from a broken home, she was in need of cash, and that's why she went to give Epstein those massages. Right. 300 bucks is a lot of money when you have nothing and to be able to get it multiple times a week. Carolyn goes on to tell the court about meeting Ghislaine for the first time and how she couldn't pronounce Maxwell's name, so she just called her by her last name. She said that Maxwell had shoulder length black hair and an accent. Carolyn said that Maxwell took off her clothes and Carolyn left on her bra and underwear. She says Carolyn then tells the court that after 45 minutes of giving Epstein a massage, he turned over he Epstein and him and Virginia started to have sex. So we know from Virginia's depositions and we know from Virginia's reports that it several different accounts of it being a group type of thing where Epstein was sexually abusing her in a group environment and using that to normalize the process for the other victims. It was just an absolutely draconian method that this man had. And he used these young girls to bring other young girls into his web. And what he would try and do is give himself a bit of a buffer zone. Right? Oh, well, I, I was, I wasn't paying them for sex. I, you know, I was paying them to come over and give me a massage. And then he'd have several layers between himself and the actual payment, just like a criminal mob boss. So again, I ask you, how is it that RICO is not being used here? Prosecution then asked Carolyn about payment and how much she would receive. And she said she received $300. She wasn't sure how much Virginia was given. She also stated that Maxwell asked her for her phone number. So after this first time, obviously Jeffrey Epstein was pleased and wanted to have Carolyn come back for more air quotes. Massages. And unfortunately, that's exactly what happened. Carolyn, when asked about how many times she went to Epstein's, says that she went more than 100 times. At least two or three times a week from the time she was 14 and until she was 18. She tells the court, when asked why she went to Epstein's, that $300 was a lot of money to a young girl. This is something that we have discussed a lot. And again, it is one of the easiest ways for these people with gigantic amounts of Financial resources, a huge influence to groom these girls who come from nothing. And it's a process that is very, very, very effective, unfortunately. She recounts how when Maxwell would call, she would ask Carolyn if she'd be able to see them if they flew in. They also asked her about traveling and if she could go overseas with them. She says she told them that her mother would never allow it. When she was asked if Maxwell knew her age, Carolyn responds, she did know. So let's frame that. Maxwell's calling this 14 year old girl to try and get her to go overseas on trips. For what possible reason could you want to bring this 14 year old girl on your trips with you overseas? It is debased and absolutely disgusting. The Assistant U.S. attorney Pomeranz continues. Did. Did Maxwell touch you? She asks. To this, Carolyn responds with yes. When asked where on the body she was touched, she says her breasts. She says that Maxwell told her she had a great body for Epstein and his friends. And his friends, huh? Very interesting. Again, how is it that the prosecution is even talking about arresting this case? None of Jeffrey Epstein's friends are gonna get caught up here. Nobody else. What about the co conspirators? Sarah Vic, Sarah Vickers, Sarah Kellen Vickers is gonna, is gonna skate here. It's gross. It's really gross. And it just again, shows you that the justice system is completely broken, folks. Doesn't matter who's in office, it doesn't matter which tribe is in office and telling you, you know, whatever sweet lies they feel like handing out. The fact of the matter is nothing ever changes. And the most vulnerable amongst us, meaning all of us basically, compared to these people, continue to get absolutely squashed. Also, if it was just a massage, why would Maxwell even comment on her body type? Right? Why would it matter what her body type is?
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If she's getting a massage, it shouldn't matter one way or the other if she's big, small, anything in between, as long as she can give a good massage. Right? But again, this is a 14 year old girl who is obviously not brought over there for massages. Uh, she also details how Epstein would ask her questions about her upbringing. Again, trying to set those claws in right now. This was a big one by prosecution, in my opinion. They asked Carolyn about payment and if Maxwell ever paid her. Carolyn stated that Maxwell handed her three $100 bills. So that establishes that Maxwell was paying her for these massages. And it also shows culpability, right? Shows that she was a conspirator, a co conspirator. She knew that These girls were being abused according to their accounts and not only did she stand by and do nothing, partake in some cases, but she was also the one paying the girls the money in some some accounts. So again, it establishes big time that Ghislaine Maxwell was a pivotal player in this whole entire thing. Carolyn continued to talk about Epstein and how he sent her gifts like concert tickets, lingerie, probably Victoria's Secret, and the Massage for Dummies book. Now we heard about the Massage for Dummies book, at least a copy of it before from one of the previous raids. So this must have been a book that they were sending out all the time to try and get these little girls hip to how to give a proper massage. Again, it creeps me out even saying that.
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Bobby Capucci
These people have all the money in the world. Why in the hell would these clowns be trying to get massages from these young little girls if it wasn't for the purposes of assaulting them? No other excuse, no other reason is logical. Or makes sense. You don't bring a 14 year old girl over with no massage therapy experience to work the kinks out. Carolyn was also asked by the prosecution if she ever brought other friends to Epstein's for massages. And she says she brought three, Amanda L. Who was a year older than her, and then Tatum and Julie, who were younger. She says she made 600 and the others made 300. So that was another shtick of Epstein's and Maxwell's. And that's why some people call it a sexual Ponzi scheme. Right? A sexual assault Ponzi scheme. He would get these one girl involved in his abuse and then he would set her out by giving her money to bring other girls in. And at the same time, the process was normalized because the original girl who was groomed and brought into the circle is telling these other girls how, oh, this is just normal. You want to make a few hundred bucks, just got to give them a massage. So these other girls come in and they think this is normal behavior. And you see how it all works, right? And it's disgusting. And in Palm beach, we're talking dozens and dozens and dozens of allegations like
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in what was probably a preemptive move, considering the prosecution knew that the defense was going to try and punch holes in Carolyn. They talk about her drug addiction and what she spent the money on. And she said she spent her money on drugs. She also talks about giving birth, and when asked if she went back to Epstein, she says she did and even went while she was pregnant. So again, it just shows you the, the absolute hooks that these people put in to these young girls. And we're not talking about, you know, any gray area here, okay? This was a 14 year old girl when she first came into Epstein's sphere. There's no excuse for it, there's no defense for it. The prosecution also asked her about jail time she did over pawning a video game console. And she says she did, she did time. But then she went to drug treatment and therapy and she is currently on medication to help her with her drug addictions. One of those drugs is methadone. So obviously she had an opiate addiction. And this is very common, folks, for people who suffer this kind of trauma. You're trying to run from it, trying to hide from it, trying to get away from yourself. So what, what's the easiest way to do that? Right, Drugs. So you'll see a lot of these girls who have unfortunately been caught up with Maxwell and Epstein, and people like them turn to drugs and it's just a whole bad scene that follows. Asking about the Xbox issue and the father of her child, Sean, she says that she has not been in touch with him since her arrest. She has also asked if she works or has ever worked for an escort service, to which she answers sometimes when asked what Maxwell did to her, she tells the court she took pictures of her naked. And of course, the other stuff with Epstein. And the prosecution presses the issue and. And asks who decided who you would sue? To which the defense objects. Judge Nathan sustains their objection. So again, setting it up because they know the prosecutor, I mean, the defense is going to come hard after her character. So they wanted it to get it out there in open court that she, A, had a drug problem, B, did time, and C, worked as an escort after all of this occurred. But that really doesn't matter in the long run, does it? Or in the big picture, the trauma that she suffered at 14 years old obviously led her down this road. So how can you begin to assail her and assault her for her life choices and for the things that have happened after she was abused by Jeffrey Epstein and allegedly Maxwell? It is ridiculous. Now, of course, it's the, it's the, the place of the defense to try and do that, but I really hope that the jury's paying attention to what's going on here. So that's the end of it for the prosecution with Carolyn, and they hand her over to the defense for the cross examination. I mean, for the. Yeah, the defense. For cross examination, the defense asks if Sean was a friend of Virginia Roberts boyfriend, Tony, and if they smoked pot and drank booze together. Carolyn answered that they didn't drink booze. So obviously Sean and Tony were friends and they smoked pot. Just like, I don't know everybody, you know, at this point. I mean, really, who doesn't smoke pot? And to act like smoking pot or drinking booze or anything like that makes you not credible when it comes to something like being assaulted is just bananas land for me. I can't wrap my head around anything like that. And if I was ever on a jury and somebody tried to infer that, I would definitely be thinking that they don't have much else to go on. Right. Well, I'm going to need some evidence. She was asked if it was Virginia who told her that she could make $300, and she answered no. What Paglia. What Pagliuch is doing here is he's trying to attempt to set the tone that Virginia was the trafficker, not Maxwell. And he asked if Maxwell was There when she. She was approached about making $500. And Carolyn says, no, Maxwell was not there. It was her and just her in Virginia. Again, Maxwell states a name in court that they shouldn't, this time using Carolyn's last name. So it's become a pattern now, right? Almost to the point where you have to ask yourself, are they attempting to dox these witnesses? Because they shouldn't be mentioning their names, okay? They shouldn't be mentioning last names. If these girls are testifying anonymously, then that's the way it should be kept. But the scumbaggery that's being shown here by Maxwell's lawyers, it's, you get what you pay for, right? When you're paying for this kind of money, these guys are going, and ladies are going to push the envelope. And that's exactly what they're doing. So after all of that nonsense and Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyers, once again acting the fool, Judge Nathan calls for a lunch break. After they're done with the lunch break, the cross examination begins in earnest. And the defense begins by asking her about the FBI notes from her 2017 interview. Now, it's interesting because the 2000, the. The interviews that you have with the FBI, those aren't, you know, the, the word of law, right? They're not. The FBI isn't taking those. Not those notes word for word. Those are notes. So I don't think that the defense bringing that up is going to help them in the long run here. I think it's kind of a moot point and kind of a spinning of their wheels tactic. Now, I know I said I'm not confident really in the federal government, but I haven't seen much from Ghislaine Maxwell as far as evidence proving that she's innocent here either. So it is going to be very interesting. Uh, the de. The. The defense says the FBI notes say that the woman had an unknown accent.
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And to this, Carolyn disagrees. She says that she told them that the woman had an accent. Uh, pag pagliucha continues. That she knew what a British accent was, but she said unknown. And once again, he was implying that she's a liar. Asking about the second time that she went to Epstein's house, he says, so for the second visit, you sat in the kitchen and spoke with the chef. Now, I'm guessing the time frame lines up here and that that chef was Adam Perry Lang. So it definitely looks like that is the case as far as the timelines are concerned. But that wasn't mentioned in court. Or anything like that. Carolyn responds that she isn't sure if that was her second visit or if it was sometime after that. And at this point, the defense calls for the court to show the witness what she said in 2007. So again, back to the FBI notes, which would signal to me that they don't have much else to go on here. Right. So it's one of those interesting situations where I'm certainly not confident in what we have seen as far as the prosecution's performance. But at the same time, I haven't seen a defense here that would get Maxwell off, at least in my opinion. Uh, Carolyn tells the defense that the FBI didn't ask her about Maxwell. Pagliucha presses by asking her if she is saying the FBI put a gag on what she could say. And she responds again that she she wasn't asked by about Maxwell. And to this, the defense responds by stating that she told f the FBI about Sarah Kellan Vickers, or just Sarah and the incubus tickets from Epstein. And then Carolyn said that she responds yes to this. So he is asking her about the whole entire gag here on what she could or couldn't say. And she says that there was no gag and that when they pressed about the email with Maxwell about Sarah Kellen Vickers, that it was factual that she did get these incubus tickets from Epstein. So again, it's more gifts. Right. And what the defense is trying to do here is point out that it was Sarah Kellen Vickers and that it was Jeffrey Epstein. It was everybody but Ghislaine Maxwell. That's what the defense is trying to point out right here. The defense also probes Carolyn about her move from Florida to Georgia, and they ask her about the lawsuits that she filed. Carolyn cuts them off and asks what they have to do about what those have to do with her moving to Georgia. Um, again, it's one of those things where if you're a witness on the stand, you have to get frustrated, right. When you're getting peppered by the defense here like this.
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she is being absolutely hammered. He's talking about why she moved from Georgia to Florida. And he is basically saying that it was because she had to go get clean. And she says that the, the reason she was leaving is to escape from the trauma. So right after this, again, Maxwell calls for another break, the afternoon break at this point. Hey, everybody.
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Bobby Capucci
Coming back from the the Return Now, Maureen Comey asks how long the defense expects this cross examination to go on for. And there's no, no response to the question. So the defense starts right in again and they question Carolyn and this time asking her if she ever remembered using drugs when she was 13. Carolyn says that if you consider pot a drug, then yes. So again you see it folks, and it's the story, right, of the defense. Their job is to try and continue to destroy the credibility and it seems to me anyway that all they have to go on as far as credibility issues to destroy is the fact that this girl might have smoked some pot or she might have hung out with some boys or something like that. It's ridiculous. The defense then tries to lead the witness stating that she went to Georgia to get clean, but Carolyn says that that wasn't the reason. She says she went there to escape her past trauma. And the witness was asked if she was doing cocaine when she was at Epstein's house and she responded no to that. The defense then refers to previous lawsuits and reads, did you have sexual intercourse with Mr. Epstein? Defense reads the answer, no. Carolyn speaks up during this and replies that she wasn't a willing participant. So they were reading from those doc, the, the, the documents, right, the 302s that the FBI provided. And the defense reads, reads it, did you have sexual intercourse with Mr. Epstein? And then the answer that Carolyn provided, no. Now in the middle of this, she stops the defense attorney and she says that she wasn't a willing participant. That's why she said she didn't have sexual intercourse with Epstein, because she didn't. She was raped by him. So it wasn't intercourse. She goes on to say, that Maxwell, that Ghis Maxwell fondled me and broke my soul. And at this point, the defense moves to get the comments struck from the record. And Judge Nathan, after advising the witness to follow the rules, orders the jury to disregard that comment. She is had enough, right? And you could, you could tell by, at least just by the notes that we had coming out. Because remember folks, this is just an accumulation of different courtroom tweets and notes that are coming out as the trial's going on. But you could tell that she had had enough during this cross examination. And there were several times here where she went off, off of the playbook and said stuff like that. Ghislaine Maxwell fondled me and broke my soul. Can you imagine what this girl went through in her life? Again, the defense is probing about money received from the compensation fund. And Carolyn again goes off of the script. And she says that no amount of money can heal her. And as she's saying this, she's cut off by the defense, who once again moved to strike the witness comment from the record. And once again, Judge Nathan agrees. She orders the jury to disregard the comment. And she again instructs the witness to follow the rules. Carolyn's crying now, and the defense asks if she claimed to have seen a picture of Maxwell pregnant. And she responds she did, nude and pregnant. And she goes to continue her response, but the defense cuts her off at this point, stating that they have no further questions. With a few minutes left, Maureen Comey asks if, if Caroline Carolyn is here to get money. And she responds, no, she is here because what Maxwell did is wrong. Again, the defense objects. The state ends it. They have no further questions for the witness. But Pagliucha is not finished yet. He asked her about the money she received in 2009, but the money was gone by 2012 and this was $446,000. He asked her what happened to it. She says she doesn't know. She has kids to take care of. The defense with their ham handed approach continues. You can't recall how you spent $446,000. You lost all of it. No further questions. And with that, folks, day number seven comes to a close in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial. There sure is a lot to unpack today. And I'm sure as the day goes on and we get more information about the prosecution resting their case as soon as this week, then maybe we'll have more clarity. But as of right now, I don't even know what to say about the prosecution preparing to rest its case. Now, as far as the testimony given today, I thought that it was pretty powerful testimony. It certainly sets the foundational blocks we've been talking about and it continues to connect the dots. So we'll see what tomorrow morning brings. But one thing I can tell you is it's going to be interesting. All right everybody, if you'd like to contact me, you can do that@bobby capuchirotonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A P U C c I@protonmail.com youm can also find me on Twitter at Bobby Capuci. The links that we discussed can be found in the description box. All right, everybody, I'll be back tomorrow morning with a little bit more. I will talk to all of
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