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Mega Edition: Epstein's Estate And It's Battle Against Liens In The USVI (5/6/26)
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The government of the United States Virgin Islands aggressively pursued Jeffrey Epstein’s estate after his death, arguing that the estate owed the territory millions of dollars connected to taxes, penalties, and alleged criminal conduct tied to...
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Legal Analyst / Epstein Estate Lawyer
What's up everyone? And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting back to those core documents and and we're going to begin taking a look at the Motion by Jeffrey Epstein's Estate to have the Liens Removed the Government of the United States Virgin Islands Plaintiff v. Darren K. Indyke, in his capacity as the executor of the estate of Jeffrey E. Epstein and Administrator of the 1953 Trust, Richard D. Kahn, in his capacity as the executor of the estate of Jeffrey E. Epstein and and Administrator of the 1953 Trust, case number ST20CV14. The CO executors Reply Brief in Support of Expedited Motion to Vacate Liens the Attorney General issued dozens of invalid and defective liens in connection with this action under the SECO Act, Virgin Island Code 14, Section 600. The motion identifies six reasons why the court should vacate the liens. In response, the government accuses the co executives of attempting to gain unfettered access to the estate's funds with free reign to issue blank checks. The government is wrong on the facts and the law and continues to misapprehend the fundamentals of the USVI probate law. This SECO action does not concern estimate allegedly ongoing criminal enterprise. Mr. Epstein, the individual who allegedly perpetrated the underlying offenses, died nearly a year ago. As Mr. Epstein is dead, the government cannot raise any legitimate concern that his assets will disappear before conclusion of his SECO action. To the contrary, the co executives are exercising their fiduciary duties to preserve and protect those assets with the approval of continuing oversight of of the probate court. Nor can the government claim that it is acting to protect Mr. Epstein's alleged victims. Months after the government commenced the SECO action, the co executors began establishing a victim's compensation program to be run by world renowned Independent Victim Fund administrators. The Probate Court officially approved that program on June 3, 2020, and it has commenced active operations. From the outset, the program has had the overwhelming support of the alleged victims, and virtually all civil plaintiffs who file claims against the estate have now stayed those actions in favor of the program. Pursuant to probate law, legitimate victims, whether through the program or litigation, will be paid before the co executors distribute any property of the estate to beneficiaries. The government's legal arguments are equally flawed. With the government incorrectly asserting that only Attorney General has authority to to release or extinguish the liens, the Government's attempt to avoid judicial review by this court is contradicted by SECO itself. The court should vacate the liens for six reasons. First, in violation of the express terms of Virgin Island Code 14, Section 604R, the government seeks to enforce the liens against the co executors. Second does not permit the Attorney General to name the estate in the liens. The estate is incapable of holding a legal or beneficial interest in property. Third, in a civil seco action, the government is not entitled to forfeiture and may only seek divestiture. Even if the government could somehow explain the need to divest a dead man from a defunct criminal enterprise, divestiture provides no basis for the liens. Fourth, pursuant to seco, the Attorney General must show substantial connection between the property subject to the liens and the alleged criminal enterprise. The SECO action alleges only that one of Mr. Epstein's islands and three aircraft were used in the enterprise. Yet the liens impermissibly encompass all the property of the estate. Fifth, the liens even purport to encompass property located outside the USV. The government does not and cannot defend such extraterritorial reach. 6 and finally, the liens continue to impede the lawful administration of the estate pursuant to the doctrine of prior exclusive jurisdiction and the probate exception. Motion to dismiss at section 1 Reply Brief in support of motion to dismiss at section 1, the Attorney General cannot substitute her judgment in place of the co executors or the probate court. 1. The the court has the authority to vacate the liens as an initial matter, the Government asserts that the Attorney General's imposition of liens is not subject to review by this court or any court other than its own interpretation of seco. The government does not cite a single authority for this assertion, nor can it. SECO itself contradicts the government's untenable position. The Government claims that Section 610R of SECO grants it the sole authority to release or extinguish the liens during the pendency of a SECO action. That provision is not so broad. It simply grants the Attorney General permission to release property from the liens. The Attorney General may release any property, personal or real or beneficial interest in it, from the criminal activity lien notice upon such terms and conditions as he may determine virgin island code 14 section 610r. It does not preclude the court's ability to do likewise, let alone eliminate the court's authority to review the validity of the Attorney General's actions further. Two subsequent SECO provisions expressly contradict the government's contention where no SECO action is pending. Section 610T provides the procedure by which a person may seek release or extinguishment of a criminal activity lien notice through court intervention. The government acknowledges this provision but ignores the very next provision which authorizes the court to release or extinguish a criminal activity lien notice where a SECO action is pending. Section 610U provides in the event a civil proceeding is pending against a person named in a criminal activity lien notice, the superior court or United States district court, upon motion by the person, may grant the relief set forth in this section, Virgin island code 14601U. The CO executors have made such a motion here, and the court may grant the relief set forth in this section. Section 610 contemplates release and extinguishment as forms of release that the court may grant us code 14 section 610. Accordingly, the government cannot avoid the motion or the court's review of of the liens. 2. The liens are Invalid. A. The Government Cannot Enforce the Liens against the CO executors. The Government impermissibly seeks to enforce the liens against the CO executors. Each of the liens provides that any executor who moves, transfers, or conveys title to personal or real property upon which a criminal activity lien notice has been filed shall be liable to the Attorney General in accordance with Title 14, Virgin Island Code Section 610. The provision on which the government relies, however, applies only to trustees as defined by seco, and SECO expressly excludes an executor from the definition of a trustee Virgin Island Code 14 Section 604R. In response to the Government's claims that the provisions in section 610M merely exempt the personal or real property of the trustees themselves from from a criminal activity lien where the trustees are not named in their personal capacity. That distinction has no relevance here. At issue here is whether Seco authorizes issuance and enforcement of a criminal activity lien notice against an executor. Seco expressly contemplates that the Attorney General may name a trustee again as that term is defined in Seco in a criminal activity lien notice. See Virgin Island Code 14, Section 610m and SECO establishes obligations and liabilities of the trustee even where the trustee is not named in criminal activity lien notice. See Virgin Island Code 14, Section 610K requiring a trustee to furnish the Attorney General or U.S. attorney with certain information. Virgin Island Code 14, Section 610 subjecting a trustee to liability or where the trustee transfers or conveys title to personal or real property for which a criminal activity lien notice names a person who holds a beneficial interest in said property. But SECO does not establish any requirements or obligations for an executor. Because executors are specifically exempted from the definition of trustee. The government pivots and claims that the liens also apply to the estate and each Epstein control company. As demonstrated in Section 2B below, the government cannot name the estate in the liens, although the government may name an entity in a criminal activity lien notice that is either controlled by or entirely owned by the person named in the pending Seco action. Virgin Island Code 14 610B.1. That provision does not apply here. The Government does not name Mr. Epstein and a pending SQL action and and Mr. Epstein's property, including his interest in companies that he owned, are part of the estate and subject to administration by the co executors and the oversight of the probate court. B. Naming the Estate Does Not Cure the Defective Liens the Government cannot issue criminal activity lien notices against the estate pursuant to Seco. A criminal activity lien notice may be issued against a person or other entity with respect to personal or real property owned by that person or in which the person or entity has a beneficial interest. Virgin Island Code 14, Section 610E1 and 2. The government has no response to the cases in other jurisdictions that confirm that an estate cannot hold legal or beneficial interest in property. Motion at 9. Nor does the government cite a single authority in in this jurisdiction to the contrary. Instead the government points to two in opposite cases that permit suit, not criminal activity, lien notices against an estate and a trust. Neither of those cases upheld the validity of a lien against an estate without a legal basis to support its position. The government speculates that rejection of the liens would undermine SECO's enforcement scheme by shielding Epstein's egregious conduct and and the property and assets he used to carry it out from law enforcement. The government fails to explain how SECO would be undermined by the Attorney General's inability to issue liens against a dead man's estate. Nor can it this is not an action against Mr. Epstein or an action to stop an ongoing criminal enterprise. The co executors have fiduciary obligations to preserve and protect estate assets, and any distribution of property of the estate will be subject to the approval of the Probate court. The government's reported concern about Mr. Epstein's alleged victims is a strawman at best. As noted above, months before the government commenced its ECO action, the co executors sought to establish a victim's compensation program, and claimants counsel were nearly unanimous in supporting that effort.
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Legal Analyst / Epstein Estate Lawyer
Despite significant delay due to the Attorney General's interference with commencement of the program, it is now launched with the approval of the Probate Court and continued full support of virtually all Claimants Council alright, we're going to wrap up episode one here and in the next episode talking about the topic, we'll pick up where we left off. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the Description box. What's up everyone and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles this episode. We're diving right back in to those court documents and we're taking a look at why the estate says that these liens that the USVI government slapped on them should have been removed. C. The Government does not have a Valid Forfeiture Claim the government issued the liens in connection with its pending civil Seco action. In this action, the government seeks civil forfeiture, but that remedy is not available to the government under Seco. Without a forfeiture claim, the government has no basis to impose liens. The government claims that the Supreme Court recognized civil forfeiture in Nagawitz 52 Virgin Island 311, 2009. Not so. In that criminal forfeiture action, the Supreme Court considered whether the Superior Court could exercise in personum jurisdiction over the defendant. Id. At 330. 333. The court referred generally to civil and criminal forfeiture provisions in CECO but held only that criminal forfeiture under section 606 in personam in nature idea. 333. The court had no reason to consider whether CECO permits forfeiture as opposed to divestiture in a civil proceeding. In any event, section 607 provides the remedies of a civil Seco action. It does not identify forfeiture as such a remedy. Virgin Island Code 14, section 607. See also Virgin Island Code section 608 addressing property ordered forfeited to any criminal proceeding while making no mention of property forfeited in a civil proceeding without any basis in Seco's express terms for relief it seeks. The government retreats to the catch all provision in section 607 providing the court with equitable powers. The government does not cite a single court that has invoked section 607 AB let alone one that did so to permit civil forfeiture. In any event, SECO already establishes when forfeiture may be invoked and statutory text is to be interpreted to give consistent and harmonious effect to each of its provisions. Hayliger v. People, 66 Virgin Islands 343, 54, 2017. Nor can the government invoke Mr. Epstein's alleged victims in claiming that equity commands that the estate's assets be forfeited to the government. As discussed above, the CO executives instituted an independently run program to compensate any victims with assets of the estate, and the government fails to explain why it would be equitable for the government to take assets for itself and that would otherwise be distributable to claimants, including participants in the victim compensation program, other creditors, or beneficiaries of the estate. Unable to point to a provision in SECO that authorizes civil forfeiture action, the government asserts that it is not required to do so. Although SECO permits the government to file criminal activity lien notices upon the institution of any criminal or or civil proceeding or action, the court is not obliged to maintain those liens. Virgin Island Code 14, Section 610A. And here, apart from the other defects in the liens discussed in the motion, the court should extinguish the liens for two reasons. First, the government ignores the distinction between forfeiture and divestiture proceedings. In a criminal forfeiture proceeding, the government may obtain an order requiring the defendant to divest himself of any interest in any enterprise or or in any real property. Virgin Island Code 14, Section 607 A and 1. Considering similar civil remedies under the federal RICO law, U.S. code 18 Section 1964, you paying attention, AOC the court in the United States v. Private Sanitation Industry association of Nassau Suffolk, Inc. 793 F. Supp. 1114 edny. 1992, explained that the government may not obtain from these defendants the criminal penalty of forfeiture simply by denoting the relief sought to be the civil remedy of divestiture, the court held that forfeiture was not available in a civil RICO action, and divestiture contemplates that a defendant will receive compensation from the interest of which he disposes. Thus, even if the government had a valid divestiture claim, liens are not needed to preserve property that the government might add to its own coffers without compensating the estate. And second, because Mr. Epstein's dead, there is no risk that he will transfer property outside the government's reach. The CO executors, with oversight from the probate court, now have control of Mr. Epstein's assets. The liens are overbroad 1. The liens impermissibly cover property unconnected to the alleged SIKO and enterprise. The Government agrees that the liens must be limited to real or personal property used in the course of, intended for use in the course of, derived from, or realized through conduct and violation of SECO and the Government does not dispute that it must establish a substantial connection between the property and the offense. Motion at 13 quoting US vs 20 $392,546 FSupp 2d 302, 304 and 305 DVI 2008 but the government fails to connect much of the property covered by the liens to the alleged offenses, much less establish a substantial connection. Each of the liens contains three numbered paragraphs identifying the properties subject to them. The first two paragraphs cover personal or real property in the USVI and including beneficial interests therein held by the estate, Mr. Epstein and each of the entity defendants in the SECO action. Other than Little St. James Island, Great St. James island, and three aircraft. The complaint does not attempt to connect any personal or real property to the alleged enterprise. The CO executors do not challenge the breadth of the liens to the extent that they cover Mr. Epstein's ownership of Little St James island, while the CO executives do not challenge the breadth of the liens to the extent they cover and located in the USVI that Mr. Epstein purportedly used in the alleged criminal acts. The three aircraft alleged in the complaint are not in the USVI and thus not subject to the liens. Finally, the Government does not allege that any offense occurred at Great St. James island which Mr. Epstein acquired more than 17 years after Little St. James Island. Rather, the Government asserts upon information and belief that Mr. Epstein purchased Great St. James to further shield his conduct on Little St. James from view. In support of this contention, the Government offers only nonsensical speculation under any standard that is not enough to substantially connect Great St. James island to the alleged offenses. Accordingly, the extent the court does not vacate the liens of the Court should limit the coverage of the first two paragraphs of the Liens to Little St. James Island. The third paragraph of the liens covers any and all bank accounts, certificates of deposits, and any other accounts in the name of or under the signatory authority of the estate of Mr. Epstein, Mr. Epstein and each of the entity defendants in its opposition. The Government does not argue that there is any connection between the offenses and and any accounts held by the 1953 Trust Plan D, LLC, Hyperion, Air LLC, Poplar Inc. Or Southern Trust Co. Inc. For this reason alone, the court should vacate all of the liens or, at a minimum, order the government release any liens on accounts held by those defendants. As for the estate of Mr. Epstein, Nautilus Inc. And Great St. Jim LLC, the the government fails to make any substantial connection between their accounts and the alleged offenses. While the government alleges that Mr. Epstein engaged in a sex trafficking enterprise, the government does not allege that the alleged enterprise was a profit making venture or that Mr. Epstein or any of the named defendants financially profited from any of that activity. Nor does the complaint contain any allegations referring to any accounts, let alone explain how Mr. Epstein used such accounts in the alleged criminal enterprise. Similarly, the government does not provide any explanation why the lien should cover the accounts of the holding companies for Little St. James island and Great St. James Island, Nautilus Inc. And Great St. Jim LLC. Although the complaint alleges that offenses occurred at Little St. James island, the complaint says does not allege any use of the accounts for the companies that held Little St. James island, let alone Great St. James Island. Accordingly, the Government falls short of demonstrating a substantial connection between the alleged offenses and accounts held by Mr. Epstein or the Estate Nautilus Inc. And Great St. Jim's LLC. 2. The liens purport to extend to accounts located outside the USV unlike the first two paragraphs in each lien, which explicitly limit their reach to the jurisdiction of the usvi, the third and final paragraph in each lien contains no such explicit jurisdictional limit. By seeking any and all bank accounts, certificates of deposit, and any other accounts without regard to the location of those accounts. In its opposition, the Government continues to avoid clarifying whether the Attorney General seeks to expand her jurisdiction to accounts located outside the USVI. As set forth in motion, Section 610 e of Seco. Limits the scope of the Attorney General's lien authority to property located in the USVI or beneficial interests in such property. The Government does not dispute and therefore concedes that limitation. Under Seco, the Government may place a lien upon any personal or real property situated in the Virgin Islands or where the notice is filed. Because the liens are undisputedly overbroad on their face, the court should vacate them or limit the property located in the usvi. Notwithstanding the Government's acknowledgment of the jurisdictional limitations, the government does not state the obvious the accounts outside the USVI cannot possibly be subject to the liens. Instead, the Government argues that because defendants have not identified any such accounts in the motion, the Court's order vacating the invalid liens would amount to a blanket advisory opinion. For that position, Government relies on Media Ventures, Inc. 30 vi. 4003, 1994. But in that case, the court found that the facts failed to present a justifiable case or controversy because any injury or threat of injury to petitioner is clearly conjectural or hypothetical, not real or immediate. Here, the government knows the defendants maintain accounts outside the usvi, and yet the government repeatedly and inexplicably refuses to confirm that the scope of his liens is limited to the usvi. In any event, SECO expressly permits a party to move the court as here to release or extinguish criminal activity lien notices issued in connection with a civil proceeding Virgin Island Code 14, Section 610U, Part 3. The liens impermissibly interfere with probate action. Pursuant to the letter's testamentary dated September 6, 2019, the CO Executors have the right and duty with oversight from the Probate Court to expend estate funds. The government claims that Seco entitles the Attorney General to exercise oversight over the co executors and and their expenditures. The government is wrong. Pursuant to the doctrine of prior exclusive jurisdiction and the probate exception, the Probate Court has sole authority over disposition of the estate and the Probate Court issued letters testamentary to the co executors for the administration of the estate on September 6, 2019, well before this action was filed.
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Legal Analyst / Epstein Estate Lawyer
In addition, under probate law, the government's SECO claims are inferior to the administrative expenses of the estate. Virgin Island Code 15, Section 421C entitling an executor to retain in his hands in preference to any claim or charge against the estate, amount of his own compensation and and the necessary expenses of administration. Thus, even if the Attorney General could recover on defective SECO claims, which he cannot, the government cannot only collect on those claims from funds remaining in the estate after the co executors have paid the estate's administrative expenses. Virgin Island Code 15, Section 421Virgin Island Code 15, Section 568. See also Martin v. Dennett, 626 P.2d 473, 475 Utah, 1981 holding that administrative and funeral expenses had priority over federal tax liens and citing cases that held likewise, the government again claims that the co executives seek an advisory opinion from this court because the Attorney General has released funds subject to the liens to pay truly administrative and preservation related expenditures and is willing to release additional funds subject to her unilateral terms and conditions to the contrary. The liens already have injured and continue to injure the estate. As the co executors describe in the motion, the liens ground the estate to a halt and the estate could not pay maintenance bills and employee salary and insurance payments, causing immediate harm to the estate's assets and property in five different jurisdictions. In fact, the commencement of the victim's compensation program was delayed while the co executors were forced to negotiate with the Attorney General to release funds that the program's administrators required to launch that program. During that delay, the co executors were forced to spend more estate resources to litigate many of the claimant's lawsuits. The commencement of the program has demonstrated that such expenditures were a waste of the estate's assets and caused solely by the Attorney General's hold on the estate's ability to fund the program as virtually all civil plaintiffs quickly agreed to stay those lawsuits in order to participate in the program. To this day, the Attorney General continues to withhold funds that the co executors require for the administration of the estate. See opposition. Example C. Demanding that the estate provide additional information to allow the government to to continue to ensure that the estate has access to those funds needed for its ongoing operations. Example D. Conditioning the release of funds on an accounting of the money the estate has spent and an accounting of the money the estate intends to spend with the requested funds. Simply put, the co executors have been and continue to be at the mercy of the Attorney General's terms and conditions. The co executors bring this motion to remove those impermissible constraints on their ability to administer the estate in accordance with the rights and duties granted to them by the USVI law and the probate court. Finally, the government resorts to the false accusation that the motion is nothing less than an attempt to use Epstein's jailhouse suicide as a vehicle to sweep Mr. Epstein's alleged crimes under the rug and allow Epstein's beneficiaries to retain the instrumentalities of of the enterprise at the expense of its victims. That is nonsense. The government is fully aware of the co executor's victims compensation program and must understand that under USVI probate law, victims who are claimants of the estate will be compensated before any beneficiaries for the reasons set forth herein and the co executor's expedited motion to vacate lien's, the court should enter an order vacating the the criminal activity lien notices issued by the Attorney General. This was signed by Christopher Allen Kroblin and It was dated July 8, 2020. All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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Independent Commentator / Podcast Host
Recently we talked a little bit about how the estate of Jeffrey Epstein was complaining that they weren't able to keep up with their bills because because of Denise George and the Virgin Islands having a stranglehold over them, basically. Well, tonight there's a new article out from ABC News that goes into it in a little bit more detail. It adds some more context to what we discussed earlier. And the gem like I always talk about the bit of gold that we'll find in this one is the Attorney General's office actually responded to ABC News. Now, they didn't respond to OK Magazine, but what I will say is okay. Magazine has been way ahead of the curve when it comes to this stuff. They've, you know, say they're a tabloid, whatever, that's fine. And well, but when it comes to this Jeffrey Epstein case and having access to the emails and stuff from the Attorney General's office and what's going on as far as her civil suit and the estate, they've been smack on and it's, you gotta give them a tip of the cap. But here in this article there is a little more context considering the the Attorney General's office actually responded and added a little bit more to what we heard previously. So let's jump into this article from ABC News authored by James Hill and see what's going on. The headline executors of Jeffrey Epstein's Estate say they're running low on Funds. I don't know how that's even possible with all that money. Boy, I'll tell you what, maybe you shouldn't have gardeners running around the whole place all day. Maybe you shouldn't have staff on hand. Still, maybe you should consolidate those funds and use that money to go where it's supposed to go, you know, to the survivors. Lawyers for the co executors of sex offender Jeffrey Epstein's estate contend that the Attorney General of the US Virgin Islands is crippling the administration of the 655 million dollar estate and jeopardizing its ability to pay operating expenses and legal bills, according to court records in St. Thomas. Now remember, we discussed all of this earlier. Chris Spargo over at OK has been all over this and talked about this previously, but, but again this is adding some context. This is going to add some meat to the bone. And of course it's an important subject and it doesn't hurt to revisit it, right? We need to be aware of what the estate is up to and what these slimeball executors, Indyke and Khan are really trying to pull. Because I don't trust them one bit folks. Not one bit. And I've said it before, I think that there has to be some sort of mechanism in place to get rid of these guys as executors of the estate, why should they be in a position to victimize these survivors all over again? Considering that especially Indyke is alleged to have taken a serious part in facilitating a lot of Jeffrey Epstein's crimes? You really think, as in house counsel, as, as in house counsel, he didn't know what was going on, that Epstein wasn't running shit by Him. Come on, folks. An estate bank account dwindled to about $240,000 last month. Estate lawyers wrote and argued that unless the Attorney General released additional funds, the estate would be unable to meet its imminent financial obligations for staff, payroll, and utilities at Epstein's US And French properties, appraisals of those properties for eventual sale, and maintenance and parking for Epstein's idled planes and helicopters. How much maintenance do parked helicopters and idled planes really need? Come in, give them a wash, maybe start them up once a month or whatever the hell it may be. But come on, you don't need all of that money to make sure that these parked helicopters and these idled planes are getting serviced. And another thing, we. Why aren't they sold already? What are you guys waiting for? Sell all of this right now. In the event that the Attorney General's continues, the estate's co executors will no longer be able to continue to administer the estate, wrote Christopher Kroblin, counsel for the estate's co executors, in a letter to a probate court judge last month. And that's another thing. Why does the pro. Why do probate executors need the judges? I mean, need lawyers of their own? And you really think they're paying for those lawyers out of their own pocket? No, the estate's paying for these lawyers. So in essence, the survivors are paying for these lawyers. How is that possible? Why are these executors able to muddle up the situation? Just get rid of them. You want to save some money? Well, let's save money on their counsel. But by getting rid of these executors and letting whoever else the court appoints take care of it. I mean, this is ridiculous.
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Legal Analyst / Epstein Estate Lawyer
Right now,
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Independent Commentator / Podcast Host
the residential properties will quickly deteriorate. The aircraft and other assets will fall into disrepair, its assets will remain unsold, and legal proceedings will be defaulted.
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Legal Analyst / Epstein Estate Lawyer
Yeah, no more leading.
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Independent Commentator / Podcast Host
What? What? I don't even know what that means. Legal proceedings. The guy is dead. Okay, enough. The executors, they gotta go. Then there needs to be some sort of commission, court appointed, regulated, whatever it may be, put into their place to make sure that all of this occurs and all of this money and these assets are divvied up in the proper manner because everything's being siphoned off. Electric bills. What, do you need electricity in these places? Nobody's there. Who's running around at these houses
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Legal Analyst / Epstein Estate Lawyer
when.
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Independent Commentator / Podcast Host
If they're. If they're going to be showed or whatever? Call the electric company. Get the electric Turned on for that month. But you need the electric on right now? Hell no. Why? Who's living there? Who's still getting fat at the buffet of Jeffrey Epstein's criminal behavior? The island's territory attorney. The island's territories. Attorney General Denise George has exerted strict oversight of the estate's purse string since January when she sued the estate's co executors and a host of related corporations, alleging that Epstein's network of corporate entities were part of a criminal enterprise used to fund and conceal the trafficking of women and girls in the Virgin Islands. Think about that for a minute, folks. The Attorney General of the Virgin Islands, which is a United States Attorney General, is saying that all of these corporations, the co executors, were all part of the criminal enterprise. They were all part in helping Jeffrey Epstein conceal and conduct his sex trafficking operation. And these are the same people that are the executors of the estate. How is that possible? On in what reality is that acceptable? These two dudes need to be like I've said several times now, these two dudes in Dyke and Khan need to be guests of the state, not executors of an estate. As a result, the Attorney General placed criminal activity liens that effectively froze all of the estate's holdings worldwide. That's what happens in a RICO case, folks. Okay? Now if this was a long reaching RICO case, if this bloomed and these people were serious about going after this in the proper manner, then every one of these people like Leon Black, Jess Staley, Glenn Dubin, Les Wexner, all of their accounts would be frozen as well. Because their money, some of it at the very least, was gotten through ill gotten gains by their involvement with Jeffrey Epstein. That's how this works. Now it's up to the estate to prove to this Attorney General that the money that they're spending is being spent on necessities. And they have not done that so far. So that's why the Attorney General has, has tightened the tourniquet here and is not letting any more money Dr. Trickle out and dribble out because she does not trust in Dike and Khan either. Since then, the Attorney General has frequently questioned the estate's expenditures and operating expenses and demanded that her office be provided with documentation to justify the costs. And as we've heard previously, we they've not done that. You know, if you have a job as say like a runner, right, Say you're working at a concert and you're doing production and you're in a runner position and the band's production manager sends you out on a run and they want you to purchase a bunch of stuff from the store. Well, they give you money and then you bring back receipts. That's how this works, okay? Trust but verify. Do you really think, does anyone really think that the state, the Attorney General or anyone involved is going to trust Indyke and Khan with Jeffrey Epstein's fortune? These two guys have a proven track record of being involved with a bunch of, let's be generous here, okay? With a bunch of very shady looking financial deals. And these guys think they're not gonna have any oversight, that they're not going to have anybody to slap em in the ass with a ruler when they get out of line. Sorry, you guys don't deserve that sort of lateral ability, all right? You guys do not deserve to just be able to do whatever you want. But in a statement Tuesday to ABC News, the Attorney General's office contended that the estate has been unwaveringly unwilling to provide such information. Now this is the first we've heard from the office. And this is why I said this
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Legal Analyst / Epstein Estate Lawyer
is the gem, right?
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Independent Commentator / Podcast Host
This is the bit of gold dust in here and why we go back and revisit these articles. And this is why we add the context because there might be something in one of these articles that wasn't in the first one that helps put the pieces together. And now with the statement from the Attorney General's office we're going to be able to add a little bit more context. The Attorney General has consistently reminded the estate that the government is willing to release funds to pay for the estate's documented expenses, including any emergency expenses to, to preserve the estate, the statement said. That sure seems to be a far cry away from what Indykin Connor saying, right? Oh, we're going broke. There's only $240,000 left in the account.
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Legal Analyst / Epstein Estate Lawyer
How are we gonna pay the electrical bill?
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Independent Commentator / Podcast Host
Who's gonna pay for the Xbox game? Pass.
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Legal Analyst / Epstein Estate Lawyer
That's basically what they're saying, right?
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Independent Commentator / Podcast Host
They're not talking about necessities, they're not talking about security. They're talking about having staff still and power and electricity. And what does any of that mean if nobody is living there? Turn that shit off and set it up with the, the, the energy company that every now and then you'll have to get it turned back on. I am sure they will understand the
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Legal Analyst / Epstein Estate Lawyer
circumstances if they're explained.
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Independent Commentator / Podcast Host
Absent verication that funds are being used for legitimate and appropriate purposes and consistent with her duty under Virgin Islands law, the Attorney General cannot And will not release additional funds. Bitch. Show me the receipts. That's what she's saying. If you went out and bought a bag of Doritos, I need a receipt that says Doritos on it. But no, these scumbags can't even do that. They can't even provide basic documentation about how they're spending the survivors Fazuls, because
- [44:59]
Legal Analyst / Epstein Estate Lawyer
that's what they're doing.
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Independent Commentator / Podcast Host
They're siphoning this money off from the survivors, from those the most affected by. By this madman and these sons of bitches who help facilitate them. And there is no redress for that. There is no way to get rid of these scumbags. How about we slap them with criminal indictments? That'll probably get them out of here, right? That'll have them worrying about something else.
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- [45:55]
Independent Commentator / Podcast Host
one recent dispute, according to court records, arose when the Attorney General's office learned the estate was paying the legal expenses of an immigration attorney the government has reason to believe was retained to seek immigration status for survivors of Epstein and other sexual abuse. So in other words, one of the co conspirators, one of the players on the stage, one of the people who helped facilitate the abuse and trafficking of some of these survivors was still being paid from the very money that was going to be dispersed to these survivors. How can. How can someone not see that as being wrong? How can anybody claim that that is not absolutely disgusting and should not be allowed? Payments to defend this lawyer are not appropriate expenditures of estate funds. And these payments suggest that estate funds are being used even now to conceal and protect participants and Epstein's criminal enterprise. An attorney for the government wrote in a court filing. So the court, the, the. The state.
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Legal Analyst / Epstein Estate Lawyer
Right, the.
- [47:08]
Independent Commentator / Podcast Host
The Attorney general is asserting in court filings that Epstein had a criminal enterprise. They're saying it point blank this was a criminal enterprise. He was engaged in it. And they're still paying out those participants who were involved. Can we have a RICO charge please? Can all of these people who were co conspirators who enriched themselves or who otherwise took part get their indictments, please?
- [47:35]
Legal Analyst / Epstein Estate Lawyer
I Am waiting.
- [47:37]
Independent Commentator / Podcast Host
Not very patiently anymore, but I am waiting. Lawyers for the estate countered that that some people who had been subpoenaed by the Virgin Islands government cannot afford counsel and have requested assistance from the estate.
- [47:52]
Legal Analyst / Epstein Estate Lawyer
Yeah, no.
- [47:53]
Independent Commentator / Podcast Host
Go get yourself public defender like every other poor person in the world. Don't think you're gonna reach into the estate's pocket. Either pay for your own lawyer or get yourself a public defender like every other poor person in the United States. You dirty scumbags. Your days of living on the high horse are over. Get used to how it looks on the other side of the fence, you rat bastards. It's deeply troubling that a government law enforcement agency contends that affording individuals the opportunity for legal representation in the face of a scopeless law enforcement investigation constitutes an act of concealment. Kroblin wrote in a letter submitted to the court. So basically, he's saying that the whole entire estate's bankroll and their coffers should just be opened up and it should be a free for all, for anybody who was involved or who was a co conspirator or who was named in a wide ranging, wide and vast case. All of those people should have access to the best lawyers in the world. Why is that? Why should they be given that sort of defense when regular people would not be given that sort of defense? It's not the survivor's job to pay for these people. These people were involved in making these people victims. So guess what? The estate should not be paying them one single cent. If they want good lawyers, they want access to these good lawyers.
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Legal Analyst / Epstein Estate Lawyer
Nobody's stopping them. They nobody's saying you can't go and pay for them lawyers on your own
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Independent Commentator / Podcast Host
or you can't start a GoFundMe to
- [49:35]
Legal Analyst / Epstein Estate Lawyer
pay for your legal account.
- [49:37]
Independent Commentator / Podcast Host
What we're saying here is, well, the estate is not going to pay for it. The estate's attorneys have moved to dismiss the government's lawsuit and have asked a court to lift the liens. In a recent court filing, they claim the estate's operating costs included $180,000 a month for staff and expenses at Epstein's properties and $83,560 for maintenance and parking of his aircraft. The estate also owed $4 million in legal fees associated with defending lawsuits against the estate, including more than two dozen filed by alleged survivors of Epstein's abuse. Attorneys for the estate were not immediately available for comment.
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Legal Analyst / Epstein Estate Lawyer
And now remember, in the okay article,
- [50:26]
Independent Commentator / Podcast Host
all of these numbers jive up. So what it shows you is that the stuff that okay is reporting about this case and that Chris Spargo is
- [50:35]
Legal Analyst / Epstein Estate Lawyer
report reporting about this case are right on point.
- [50:38]
Independent Commentator / Podcast Host
They they have an in there, they have a source and they're getting good access to the materials and emails that are being sent between the Virgin Islands office, the the Attorney General's office and the courts and the estates. So I'll definitely be adding those OK articles to the catalog moving forward, especially when it's talking about the Virgin Islands. But you see here folks, you see the battle, you see the tug of war, and you see how the estate is still trying to play games. But what do you expect when you have a viper and a scumbag like indyke and con involved? If you'd like to contact me, you can do that@bobbycapucciorotonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A P U c c I protonmail.com youm can also find me on twitter at bo-capucci all of the links that go with this episode can be found in the description box.
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