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Mega Edition: Jane Doe # 2 And Her Interview With The Authorities In Florida (5/14/26)
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Jane Doe #2’s 2007 statement to Marie Villafaña and federal investigators described a pattern of recruitment, abuse, and normalization inside Jeffrey Epstein’s operation, beginning when she was a minor. She said she was introduced to Epstein under the...
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What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're kicking Open the Vault once again and we're going to take a look at the questioning that was done of Jane Doe number Two when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein and the Florida investigation. And if you notice in the court documents we've been talking about, a lot has been made of Django number two. So let's see what she had to say in this interview with the investigators, including Marie Vilafana. And to start things off, there's somebody named Agent Richards who's asking the questions and of course, Jane Doe 2 is doing the answering question. Jane Doe 2, we just want to start off and I'll lead off first. We just want to get some basic information about you. Simple stuff. I've got your date of birth. 726 88. Is that correct? Answer yes, sir. Question I just want to get like your basics like that stuff. First, your current address. He. She gives it to him. Your cell phone number, she gives it to him. Then they keep asking about the cell phone number and the different service providers that she has. So we're going to skip past that and get right down to the questions that are being asked. Question where did you go to high school? Answer Redacted question. And what year did you graduate? I dropped out in 11th. What year was that that you dropped out? Do you remember? No. What year were you supposed to graduate your class? 2006. Okay. I got my GED. When did you get that? About three months ago. And are you currently going to college anywhere? Answer not right now. Question. Plans? Answer I have a plan. Vilafana asked the question now, where are you thinking of going? Answer I'm not positive what I want to do. There's a lot of things on my mind. But right now I'm focusing on my son. I have a 2 year old, so right now I'm just working. Agent Richards, Is he a handful witness? Yeah, Richards. I have one too. The Witness. Yeah. So in the future, I'm definitely going to go to college. I, I'm going, definitely going to go to school. But I have, you know, a modeling career going on right now that's hopefully going to get someone to notice me. Vilafana. Question where else are you working? Answer I work for Advanced Cleaning Systems. They clean carpets. Agent Richards, advance what, what is it? The Witness System Cleaning Villafauna. And where are they located? She gives the address. Are you working in an office there or do you go out to people's homes? I work in an office there. Agent Richards, obviously you know why we're here and what we want to talk about, so let me just kind of lead into. Do you know Jeffrey Epstein? Answer yes. Yes, of course you do. Now, when did you meet Jeff? Does he go by Jeff or Jeffrey or. Answer Jeffrey. Okay, when did you meet him and who introduced you to Jeffrey? My girlfriend, Carolyn, introduced me to Jeffrey. And by that she means Carolyn Andriano, the one who ended up, unfortunately, taking her own life. Do you know her last name? No. She was a friend of one of my friends, so I really didn't know her. When was that? I really couldn't tell you. I. I don't even remember. It's been so long ago. Agent Richards. So Carolyn introduced you to him. Was it at a party setting or how did you guys meet? Answer, no. She came to me and she said, would you like to make a couple dollars? And I said, sure. I said, doing what? She said, well, I know this Jeffrey, and he lives on Palm beach island, and I bring girls there, and he likes massages. And I was like, okay. So I asked her, I said, well, what about my age? And she said, well, just make sure that you tell him that you're 18. And I had a fake ID at the time, and we went there. Okay. And about what time period was that? What time period? Yes. As far as what year were you in school? I was 16. Were you a freshman or a sophomore? Do you remember? I couldn't tell you. I couldn't tell you. Probably a sophomore. Now, you said that Carolyn told you that he likes massages. Did she elaborate on what types of massages? She said, sometimes he likes topless massages, but you don't have to do anything you don't want to do. He just likes massages. And do you know whether Carolyn had given him massages? Yeah, she said she's done it before. And do you know whether Carolyn had taken any other girls over to see Jeffrey? Answer yes, she probably did. Question. Did she tell you how much you would make? Answer. Yes. Question. What did she tell you? Answer. We go there and we make 200 in 30 minutes. Question. Now, you said that you asked her, you know, that do I need to be worried about my age? Why did you ask her that? Answer, Because I don't want to be. You know, it was like I was underage and I was young and I was pretty stupid, and I didn't want to get. I didn't want to get in trouble. So I always made sure that I had a fake ID anyway, saying that I was 18. And she just said, make sure you're 18 because Jeffrey doesn't want any underage girls. Agent Richards. Now, Carolyn, did she. Where did you meet her at? In school. What setting? Answer. I was at a friend's house, my girlfriend's house. I don't know what girlfriend's house. It was. Everybody was just hanging out. And she said. She came up to me and she asked me, she said, do you want to make a couple of bucks? And I said, sure. And after the first time that she took you over there to meet Mr. Epstein, did she ever call you again to set up any appointments with him or anything like that? No. Did she ever call you on the phone is what I'm asking? No. I gave Jeffrey my number and I said, you know, anytime you want me to give you a massage again, I'm more than welcome to Vilafauna. Question. So Carolyn took you the first time, but then after that you communicated directly with Jeffrey, huh? Tell us about the first time you went to his house. Who. How did you get there? One of Carolyn's friends. And they dropped us off and then we went, you know, we got escorted up to the massage room and he told me everything. He said, listen, I like massages. And we had the whole massage table laid out, the lotions and everything. And she was in there for the first five minutes. And the first time I gave him a massage, she left the room and I gave him a massage. And she told me, she says he likes women topless. So I willingly, the first time, took off my top when I gave him a massage. And nothing more than that. It was just a back massage and a neck massage and I was out of there. Question. Okay, let me just ask you a couple of follow up questions. You said that someone escorted you up to the room. Do you know who that was? Answer. One of. What's her name? Actually, Sarah. Sarah just said, you know, it's up there, and she just told me where it was. Question. And then you said that you and Carolyn went upstairs together, huh? Question. And Carolyn stayed there for the first few minutes, huh? Question. Was Jeffrey already in the room by the time Carolyn left? Answer. Yeah, he was in the room. Question. Okay, was he there when you guys showed up in the room or did he come after you were already there? He was in the room already. Question. And you said you took your top off. Did anybody ask you to take it off? Did Carolyn say it's time for you to take it off? No, she wasn't in the room. Question. By the time you took it off. Okay. Answer. I said, I told Jeffrey, I heard you like massages topless. And? And he's like, yeah. He said, but you don't have to do anything that you don't feel comfortable with. And I said, okay, but I willingly took it off. Question. Okay, and during the first massage, you said that you gave him a shoulder and neck massage? Answer. Neck, back, shoulder. Yeah. Question was he face down the entire time that he got his massage? Answer yeah. Question and what did you do during the massage? Did you talk or. Answer yeah, we talked about. And what did you talk about with him? Well, we were just getting to know each other. We talked about how my lifestyle was, what he did for a living, and just all the positive things, really nice things. Okay. What was he wearing when you first came into the room? I'm sorry? When? First, when he first came into the room, he was fully clothed. And then he said, you know, wait a second, I'm going to go on the massage table and put a towel over him like normal masseuses would do. Did he undress and put a towel around him? Huh? Question okay, yeah, I didn't see anything. It was just back, neck and shoulders. Question and after the massage was over, you received the 200? Answer. He gives the money right away. Question I'm sorry, was that before you started the massage or after the massage he gave you, you gave him? Answer. The first time he gave me the money right away. Question. Okay, and he's the person that paid you the $200? No, it's always Sarah. Sarah gave you the money? Uh huh. Agent Richards, what's Sarah's last name? Do you know? I don't know. Mr. Eisenberg, you can't look at papers if you think you know. You know if you don't know the witness. No, I don't know. I don't know Sarah's last name. Ms. Vilafana. Okay, the only thing I'm confused about is you said that Sarah said didn't even take you upstairs, she just told you where you should go. Answer huh? Question so when did she pay you the money? Answer she paid me then and there when I first walked in the door with Carolyn. Agent Richards. Question. She paid you before you went upstairs? Answer yes, Vilafana. Question. And how much was Carolyn paid? Answer everybody got 200. Question and after. So after the massage was finished, you said that you already been paid. Who asked you for your name and telephone number? Jeffrey said, well, I'd like to see you again. Can I have your number? From what I remember, I'M pretty sure that he asked for my number and I gave him my number. Okay, Agent Richards, did he write it down upstairs? He had a pen handy, I hope. Uh huh. On that first massage, you said that you worked on em topless, but when you first started, what were you wearing? Answer. I was wearing a shirt, a normal shirt and jeans. And I started to do the massage and I said, well, I heard you like topless massages. And of course he thought I was 18. And he's like, I do, I prefer that. And who wouldn't, you know? So I said, okay. And I took it off. And you took off your bra as well? Yes. And you left your jeans on? Yes. Okay, so you gave him a massage. Did he request you do anything special in the massage? Answer no. Question. And he never turned over during that first massage? Answer no, Question. So you said that day he gave your name and number to Jeffrey. When was your next contact from him or anybody that worked for him? Answer the next day he had called me and said he would like me to come out again and I'd like to see you again. I said, sure. I took a taxi there and I went there again. Question the following day. Answer the next day. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off with the interview that Jane Doe 2 gave to the investigators down in Florida. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna dive right back in to the interview that Jane Doe too gave to Marie Vilafana and the investigators. Question, how did you get home the first time when Carolyn took you over? Did you get a taxi? Answer no. Our friend came back and picked us up. Question. Which friend was that? Answer. His name was Brian. I don't know his last name. I really didn't know Carolyn and I didn't know her friends or whatever, but I met Jeffrey. And once I met Jeffrey, he was a very awesome guy. And I just, I don't know, I ended up giving him my number so I could. I didn't want Carolyn or Brian to drive me anymore. I would rather go to him on my own. Ms. Vilafana. Question. When you would take the taxis to and from, would he pay for them? Yeah. And he would pay when you arrived? Uh huh. And then he would just give you extra money when you left to pay for the taxi? No, I never asked him for extra money. So I just paid for my own taxi. Okay, so from the money that he paid you for the massage. 200? Yeah. Where were you living at the time? I was living at redacted. It's located next to Okeechebe, down to where I lived. Do you remember how much that taxi fare Was each way? $20. Question and did you always use the same taxi service or. Answer no, I use different taxis all the time. Question and you would just call and have them come to your house? Answer Huh? I used a whole bunch of different taxis. Whatever's available. Question so you mentioned that the second massage, was it any different from the first one? Answer yes. Question how is it different? Answer When I went there, I went by myself and I went up to the massage room and Jeffrey was just like, regular like he was before, on his stomach and he had a towel over and we started the massage and I had my top off willingly. And after the massage, he asked me the whole time, he says, are you comfortable with me doing this? And I said, yes. And he turned around and this was like at the end of the massage, our 30 minute massage, usually it was even shorter than that. And he masturbated at the end of the massage and it was like two seconds and I was just topless. Question and when he turned over, did he touch you at all or was he just. She cuts him off. No, he didn't want me to touch him and he didn't touch me at all. Question did he ever ask you to rub his chest or rub his nipples during the massage? Answer actually later on, because I saw him for a long time later on. I asked him, you know, and I asked him. I would give him, you know, I would rub his chest or whatever and massage him. While he was masturbating. Yeah. Question so eventually you would continue the massage and he would masturbate at the same time? Answer yeah, but it wasn't on his lower area. Question no. You never touched his penis? Answer Right. Question okay, so that was during the second massage. You were paid 200 again. Answer always. Question Always. Every time you went there? Answer always. Now, Agent Richards interjects. Question. Was it always Sarah that paid you? Sometimes Jeffrey would. And sometimes Sarah would. Villefana jumps back in. Was it usually before or after the massage? After the first time? It was always after. I would go downstairs and I'd get paid. So just sort of tell us when a massage ended, which I assume was after he ejaculated. It wasn't all the time that he did, though. Okay. Answer. It wasn't like every time I went there, he released. Sometimes he just wanted his feet massaged. Sometimes he just wanted a back massage. Okay, but when the massage was over, however it ended, you would just get dressed and go downstairs by yourself, or did he take you downstairs? Answer. Yeah, the chef would make us food and it'd be great. And Jeffrey would get dressed and he'd come with us sometimes or, you know, it wasn't. We had fun. It was all positive. Okay. How many massages do you think that you gave Jeffrey? I gave Jeffrey a lot of massages. I can tell you. I can't tell you. I saw him for a good year. How many times would you see him? Weekly or more than once? Yeah, more than once a week. I personally would or I'd bring girls. Okay, but either you would or either a girl that you brought. Yeah. Question. Okay, answer. But after a while, it wasn't me anymore. I had brought girls, but I got paid 200 to bring girls. Answer. Okay, so let's talk about when you were performing the massages. What other sorts of things would happen? You said that sometimes he would just like his feet massaged. What else would happen during those sessions? Answer. Nothing. Everything. I told you. Question. Okay, so sometimes a back massage. Sometimes. Sometimes he liked back massages. Sometimes he liked feet massages. Sometimes he liked his head massaged. He liked his head massaged a lot. Sometimes leg massages. Yeah. And it wasn't every time that we went there that he masturbated. Okay. Any idea half and half or less than half the time that he masturbated? Less the time he masturbated. Did you always perform topless? Did you ever get completely naked towards the end or in the middle or remove all your clothing? I would wear panties willingly one time because we were making jokes and everything, and willingly one time I had. Yes, I was totally nude, but I was fine with it. Okay, Totally fine with it. How did that massage go? Actually, it was a foot massage. And he was sitting on the couch. We didn't even have the massage table out. And I gave him a foot rub, and I was nude. And how much were you paid for that? 200. Every single time. Did he at any point kiss you, touch you, show any kind of affection towards you? Never. Never. Okay, then. Agent Richards interjects. Why not? Why not? Why would he? You seem like a nice young lady, attractive. He never had any urges to. I asked him, I said, well, when are you going to get married? When are you going to get married, Jeffrey? He said, I'm never getting married. He has, you know, beautiful women all the time. Why would he. Vilafauna. She jumps in now. Question. He never pulled you closer to him in a sexual way? I wish. No, no, no. Never ever. Jeffrey is an awesome man. No. Question okay, now you said that at some point you started bringing other girls over, huh? Question how did that start? Answer he likes to see different faces. Question so he asked you if you had friends that you could bring over or other girls? Answer huh? Question and how did you decide who you would ask to come over? Answer all of my good looking girlfriends and if they had friends, it's all about, you know, we were just making money and Jeffrey's an awesome guy. We just, you know, I could tell my girlfriends just like Carolyn approached me. Make sure you tell them you're 18. Well, these girls that I brought, I know there were 18 or 19 or 20. And the girls that I didn't know, I don't know if they were lying or not. I would say make sure that you tell them you're 18. Question okay, what exactly would you tell them about what would happen after you first got to the house? Answer I said he likes massages, but he prefers topless massages. But if you're not comfortable, then don't do it and it won't matter. Question did any of them tell you what happened after that? Answer Always. Always. I even asked them. Question okay, and with the other girls, was it the same girl that you did or different? Answer yeah, yeah. I mean, well, I was more willing to do more, you know, like I said, I went nude for him one time, but the other girls, they were practically topless and that's all they were willing to do. Some girls didn't want to go topless and Jeffrey didn't mind. Question Were there girls that you brought back multiple times? Answer A couple. A couple. But he really liked to see different faces. Question okay, I'm just wondering, are there some girls he really liked and others he didn't like or did he have any preferences in terms of blondes, brunettes? Answer he liked girls like me. Question okay, thin and attractive. Answer yeah, I guess very attractive women. And he didn't say girls. He said women all the time. Did you ever bring anybody he didn't care for? Uh huh. Question yeah, yeah. How was she different than the others? Black. I screwed up. And just so you know, to interject here, Epstein and Maxwell were super racist, absolute racist pieces of shit. And the things they said about people were just vile, absolutely vile. Question how did you know you screwed up. He doesn't like black women, obviously, so he lets you know. He told you that? Yeah, but he was still nice and he still gave her 200 even though he didn't have a massage buyer. How did he, he paid you 200 for bringing each girl? Uh huh. Question. And when he told you that, I mean, that's what he told you, that he would pay you 200 for bringing the girls? Yeah, he said if you bring me, if you bring me girls, I'll definitely, you know, give you money, compensate you for your time and willing to do that for me. Yeah. Question and you said at that point you stopped performing massages for him at that point. I didn't. It would be sporadically, like usually. I had so many girlfriends at the time, you know, there were so many new faces that he saw and if one was available, then redacted would go, I gotcha. Do you know some of the girls that you brought? Some of their names, I don't remember really. They were not even my friends. They, they were just associates, you know, if anything they'd be friends of friends. So no. Question. We have, I don't know, we have some messages, I guess that some girls names that will call Jeffrey and leave a message. There are some girls names that are referenced. We were just wondering if you knew them. Answer if you name them, I can probably remember. Ms. Vilafana. Jason, do you have that Richards? Question redacted is one. Answer I don't know. Redacted do you know her last name? Vilafauna. We were hoping you did the witness. No, I don't. Agent Richards. Question Redacted Answer Redacted no, that sounds like a black girl's name. Question well, you brought a black girl. Was that her name? I don't know. Don't ask me. Question Redacted Redacted Redacted yeah, I brought redacted. Question who is she? Tell us about redacted. Answer Redacted well, we just look alike. If that's a girl I'm thinking about. We went to school together and I brought her one time and then she ended up moving so she couldn't come with me. Question Were you guys in the same grade or Answer no. She was older than me. Question A year or two. She was actually. She was like 18. I don't know, she was older. She was like, you know, two ranks, two grades ahead of me. Question so when you were a sophomore, she was a senior. I just met her in school and I told her vilafana. Question what was her name? Answer I don't know. Agent Richards. Question. Do you know where she lived? Answer. I just met her at school and I told her about it. Question. You told her about it at school? Is that where your discussion was? Answer. Well, I said, give me your number. I said, we can make a couple of dollars, it's real easy, and if you're comfortable with it, give me a call. Question, Was that at school or at a party? Answer. No, at school. Question. At school. You're not sure her last name and what it was? Answer. I have no idea. Question. Do you know where she lives or anything like that? What kind of car she drove? Answer. No. Question. What did she look like? Answer, what she looked like. Question. Yeah. Answer. Like me. Everything. Blonde hair, blue eyes. Question. We're talking about redacted. You were at redacted high school at the time? Answer. No, I was at redacted. Redacted. Okay? And that's where redacted went to school. What about a girl named redacted? Who? Agent Richards? Question. Did you bring a redacted? I brought a couple of redacted. I want to know about everyone you brought. Well, one of them died recently. So. Question, what was her name in a car accident or something? Answer. No. She died, unfortunately. She got shot in the head. You guys probably heard it on the news. She got shot in the head by this guy. I don't even want to talk about it, because I'll cry. Ms. Vilafana. Question. Let's talk about the other. I don't even know. I don't know. I don't know. There were some girls that I just would take one time and then I would never talk to again. So I don't know. How many girls do you think you brought to Jeffrey's house? That's a good question. I bring a lot. Like maybe, I don't know, maybe 30. Maybe 30. It was all about the money to me at that time. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here, and in the next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up where we left off with Django 2 and her interview with Marie Vilafana. Question. Now, any of the girls that you brought, did any of them leave their names and numbers and then they would get appointments directly from Jeffrey, or did they always go through you? Answer. They went through me, hopefully. Question so you don't know. Agent Richards jumps in. Question. You weren't getting paid, right? Answer. I told them. I said, I don't give him your number. Ms. Vilafana, if you brought the same girl more than once, would you get paid each time you brought them or just get the initial 200? Every single time I brought a girl. Okay. Or I referred a girl. I always got 200. Always. Even if she came a second time? Yes. You would get 200 every time she came? Yes. Good deal. Okay, what about redacted? Redacted Who? Question. Any redacted that you brought to Mr. Epstein's house? Answer. I brought a redacted question. Redacted. Where did she go to school? Answer. She didn't go to school. Question. Okay, how did you know? Redacted. Question. Redacted. Been my. She's my friend in the past. How did I meet? Redacted. At a party. Or she was my. Actually, she was my baby father's girlfriend at the time, and I met her at a party. Question. You asked her if she'd be willing to go to Jeffrey's house. Answer. Huh? Question. And when do you remember when that would have been? Actually, a couple of weeks. A couple of weeks. I do remember. A couple of weeks after I met him. Question. So you brought her pretty soon after you met Jeffrey, huh? And how old was redacted? 17. And what happened when you brought Redacted. The same thing. Question. Okay, well, I know that sometimes you said that the girls would tell you what happened. Answer. She went in there, she had a massage. She gave a massage on his back. She won a couple of times. He liked her. She won a couple of times. The first time she told me that he didn't. It was just like me. The first time, he didn't climax at all. Nothing happened. It was just a massage. And then she went, I think, like, two times after that. And. And, yeah, he masturbated, but no touching. She didn't. There's no touching of him. No touching of her. None of my girls ever had a problem, and they'd call me, they'd beg me, you know, for us to go to Jeffrey's house because they love Jeffrey. Jeffrey's a respectful man. He really is. I mean, and he all thought we were of age always. This is what's so sad about it. Question. How would you make appointments for girls to go over there? Answer. I'd call them and they'd say, hi, do you want to go to Jeffrey's house? And they'd say, yes or no. And we'd call a taxi. Question how would you know when Jeffrey was going to be in town? Answer When Jeffrey was in town, Sarah would call me. Question did she always call when they were already in town or would she call how far in advance would she call you? Answer they only call me when they were in Palm Beach. They never called me from anywhere. They've never called me from anywhere else. It's always when I was in Palm beach, they'd say, hi, we're down here. If you want to come and see Jeffrey, you're more than welcome to. Question. So you wouldn't have, like, a specific time when you would go over, like, be here at 11 or be here at 2? Answer well, I tell them. I'd say, well, I mean, I'd have to work around his schedule, he'd have to work around mine. Yeah, we'd say, I'll be there at three, I'll be there at four. Whatever. Question to you. I know that you said you talked to Sarah on the phone. Was there anybody else that you would talk to on the phone if Jeffrey wasn't there? Like, if I called him to see how he was doing or whatever, you know, he had. His chef would answer the phone, his maid would answer the phone. Question. But was Sarah the only one you talked to about making appointments? Huh? Yeah. Well, yeah, if Jeffrey wasn't available, they'd, you know, he said the chef or, you know, whoever said, Jeffrey will be back to, you know. Yeah, Sarah made the appointments. Question. So when you're calling to talk to Jeffrey, you were calling the house phone over in Palm beach, huh? Yeah. Question and how often would you talk to Jeffrey on the phone as opposed to talking to one of his assistants? Answer Me and Jeffrey hardly ever talked on the phone. He was always busy. It was mostly Sarah. We talk when I would get there, you know, so it was like, hey, do you want to come in? Yes. Cool. You know, come, come there. No? Cool. Bye. Question do you know someone who works for Jeffrey named Nadia? Answer I think I met her one time. Question and what do you know about her? Answer she was there. And the person, Nadia, I think I'm not positive. Okay. I'm pretty sure she said that she's from New York and she travels with Jeffrey, but I think I met her one time. If that's the girl that rings the bell, you know, in my head, Nadia, I think, is that one person that I met one time. Question now, you said that you had teased Jeffrey Epstein about whether he was getting married. Did you ever know him to have a girlfriend or a steady girl? No. He told me he's never been married, he's never had a girlfriend, and he doesn't want to have a girlfriend. Were you ever asked to bring a girl for someone else? Like to give Jeffrey a massage, but for somebody else? To anyone other than Jeffrey? No. I gave Sarah a massage before. And how often did that happen? I only gave Sarah a massage, like once or twice. Not that often. But anybody else either. Any friends that were in town or they're cut off by Jane Doe too? No. See, my mother is a masseuse and I have experience massaging and he always liked my massages. So he told Sarah about my massages and she said, yeah, I want a massage. So I'd go over there, I think it was one or two times, and I'd give her a massage. Now, when the girls were upstairs with Jeffrey in the bedroom, what would you do? The chef would make me carve tomatoes, put some crab meat in it, and I'd just eat wine and dine. It was wonderful. Great. And when you would talk to the chef? Yeah. Would anybody else from the house be there? Yes. I don't know their names. I can't remember. There were like all these foreign girls from like. They're very beautiful, beautiful models that are from different. They have accents and. No, but it was real interesting because we talk and, you know, I'd learn a lot from them and they learn a lot from me just being American and. No, every time I went there, it was a good time and I usually just ate or I'd go in suntan or something near the pool. And how long would other girls be upstairs normally? Answer 25, 20, 30 minutes. Agent Richards, question back to redacted. Is there anything else about her that you can remember? You were friends with her. She went three times. You think. Did she go back without going through you or set up appointments that you know about? Answer. I don't know. Question. Okay, were there any other redacted that you brought I know you brought other redacted or multiple redacted. Answer Yeah, I don't know if you would say like a last name then I would probably remember, but I don't. Question. Any redacted. Did you bring redacted? Answer Redacted. Yeah, that sounds familiar. Yeah. Yeah. Question. Uh huh. Question. What can you tell me about her? How old was she? She's older than me. Question. Do you know her from school? No. Where did I meet her? I met her in my neighborhood. I asked her if she wanted to go and, yeah, she was only there one time, though. Did she tell you how it went with him upstairs? Yeah. What did she say? She said she's like. I don't know. She freaked out or something. No, no. But I didn't want her again. He likes tall, slender, and she was like, short. Question. What did she say about him? Answer. She had fun. Question. She had fun. Answer. Huh. Question. What did she say happened up there? Answer. She was topless and just gave a massage. He didn't, you know, climax or anything. Vilafana jumps in. Question. Did you ever either when you gave him a massage or any of the girls, did you ever use a big back massager or was it only a manual massage? Answer no, it was only my hands. We never used anything else. Now, when you were working for him, when you were going over Jeffrey's house to give massages, did you have a boyfriend? Yeah. Question okay. How did he feel about you going to Jeffrey's house? He was jealous. A jealous little boy. But he didn't care. Bring home the bacon. What's your boyfriend's name? Redacted. Question. Now, I know that you mentioned that you had a baby. Is that the baby's father? No. Thank God. Who's the baby's father? Redacted. Okay. And were you still going to Jeffrey's house when you were pregnant? I would bring girls there when I was pregnant. Question. So did redacted have concerns about what you were doing over at Jeffrey's house? Answer no. He talked to Jeffrey over the phone. Jeffrey actually threw me my baby shower, and he got me furniture and a nice rattle for my son. And. And just really nice things. I love mommy frames. Question. Was the shower at his house and did he attend? Answer no. No. At my house. At my house. And no, Jeffrey wasn't there. He just sent Sarah to bring me gifts for the baby. Question. Oh, okay. Question. Did redacted ever go over there with you? Answer no. Question. He stayed away. Answer no, he didn't go. No. Villafauna. Question. Did Jeffrey ask about your boyfriend? I mean, was he curious about. Answer. Yeah, we always talked about everything. Yeah. Do you have a boyfriend? Yeah. No. You know, we talk like friends. I don't know, just about our life stories. You know, he probably knows my whole life story. Agent Richards. Question now, do you still have contact with them or. Answer who? Question Jeffrey. Answer no. No. No one's allowing me. Vilafana. Question. He know that you wanted to be a model or is that. Or that you were aspiring to be one? Answer yeah, I told him yes, I've always wanted to be a model. Yes. Question did he ever offer to help you? Answer huh? Yeah. And I was like, like I said I was 16 at the time and I felt like he said, you know, you can, I will definitely take you and bring you to New York and everything because he had models there. But I was always turned down because I was 16 and I didn't want that to get out. Question what did you say to him? How did you put him off? Answer I don't know. Oh well, I don't know. He wasn't like begging me or anything. He asked me a couple of times and I said, I just. There was like no say about it. I just didn't go. And it wasn't like he asked me all the time. He just, it's a couple times he asked, he said, I'll bring you to New York or whatever we do and we can, you know, try to fulfill your dreams. But I always said no because I was young and I didn't want to screw up the 18 thing. Question when you got pregnant, did he react in any way? I mean, did he tell you if you want to be a model, you know, this is going to mess you up your chances as a model or offer any the questions interrupted by Jane Doe? Answer no. Question I'm wondering like how much he was giving you advice. How much stuff were you really? What did you talk about after the baby? We didn't even really talk. I was totally changed, you know, I had a bad little girl and I totally changed. My whole life changed a couple of times after I had the baby. I brought a couple girls there. It was like two times. And then me and Jeffrey really stopped talking. We just stopped talking. I had my own life and he had his. So I don't know, Agent Richards. Question did he ever make any arrangements knowing that you wanted to be a model or, or wormodeling? He has a lot of connections with photographers and stuff. I mean, did he ever set up any photo shoots or anything like that? No, because he asked me if I would like to go pursue what I wanted to do. But like I said for the second time, I mean in town here, not to travel to New York for a shoot or anything? No, because I always like stood back from that because I didn't want him to know that I was 16. Did you ever get money from Jeffrey when you didn't give him a massage or bring girls over? Answer yeah. Question okay, when did that happen? Answer I had to pay rent and I was late on my rent this was before the baby. And I asked him. I asked him for like, 300. He gave me 500. I don't. I couldn't tell you how I got it. If anything, I think I went to the house and got it. Question, Was he there when you got the money? Answer, no. Do you know, was he in town or did you call him? I don't even. I can't remember. But I just remember he did give me 500 for rent. Was that the only time that he gave you money that wasn't connected either to a massage or to bringing a girl? He bought gifts for the baby shower. I can't remember now. Not off the top of my head. No. I never asked him for anything because I just felt. I'm not like that, you know, I'm not a user and I'm not. I don't like that. I've never asked him for money. Question what about presents either? Birthday presents? You mentioned gifts for the baby. Any other gifts that he gave you? Yeah, he gave me. He had went to Brazil and he came back with a whole bunch of bikinis and told me to choose one, so I chose one. Question, Any other gifts Christmas time or birthdays or anything like that? Answer no. Question, did he give any of your friends that you brought gifts? Answer, yeah, the girl who died. Redacted. He gave her a bathing suit from Brazil. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right back to the interview given by Jane Doe number two to Marie Vilafana. Question by Agent Richards. Just to see if you recognize these or if you ever used any of these numbers that might have been old telephone numbers for you at some point. I don't know how many cell phones you may have had through the years. See if you recognize any of those. Redacted was my number. Ms. Vilafana. Question. What was Redacted's number? Redacted? Yeah. What, my baby's father? Yeah. Oh, I never knew his. I. I always just, you know, called him and I never knew his number. Agent Richards. Question. It was programmed in your phone? Yeah. So I don't know. I just. No, redacted. Because that was my old number, like, a long time ago. Ms. Vilafana, questioned. the time you were bringing girls over to the house, you were Also working a regular job. I worked at City Pizza for a little while, but no, kind of retired and splurged. I didn't have any bills to pay. I saved. I put money in the bank. So we had talked about redacted before. Do you know someone named Redacted? Redacted, huh? And who is that? I brought her a couple of times. Who is that? I mean, did you go to school with her or how did you know her? Oh, I had asked one of my friends. I said, do you have any. It was a guy friend. I said, do you have any girls that are willing to give massages? And I met up with her. I called her, I talked to her on the phone. I met up with her, and she said, yeah, cool. Question. You said you took her over there a couple of times. Answer. Yeah, she went over there more. She went over there more than a couple of times. Question. But you brought her every time that she went over there. Answer that. I know of. That I know of. Yeah. Question. Okay. Did you ever tell any of the girls that. That they would be going over to model lingerie? No. I told them that we were going to Jeffrey's house and it's going to be a topless massage. Pretty much anything you don't want to do, you don't have to do. And it's $200, bada bing, bada boom. You make 200 in 30 minutes. Question. Did any of the girls complain about what happened after they left there? No. You asked me that. Question. No. Everybody loved Jeffrey. Question. No one called you and said, I think that you should call. I think you should call the police? No. No one ever told you that? No. No. Oh, my God. And who is that coming from? Well, we just have phone calls that seem to contradict what you're telling us. Oh, so you think that people came to me and said that I'm going to call the police on Jeffrey? Agent Richards. Question. Was there anyone that thought that what Mr. Epstein was doing was inappropriate and was concerned? Answer. Every girl that I brought to Jeffrey, they said they were fine with it. And like, for instance, redacted. A lot of girls begged me to bring them back. They wanted to come back for the money. And as far as I know, we all had fun there. We ate all the food, he gave us, free bikinis. Know nothing about my. Any cops? Question. I mean, was there anyone there that thought what he was doing may have been a little bit wrong, not wanting to report to the police, but just saying, you know, that's kind of weird. Answer we talked about it, like, because we were underage, but he thought that we were 18. We were like, hopefully that no one finds out. Hopefully Jeffrey doesn't find out. But other than that, no one's calling the cops. Vilafana, was anybody upset that he was masturbating? I know that you said you told them that they would only possibly be doing the massage topless. They might have expected that. Was somebody shocked? Answer. Yeah, of course. I mean, he always told them, okay, and I told them too. I said, if you're going to go there, then you don't have to do anything that you're not comfortable with. A couple girls, when they did come out of there, they're like, oh, my God, I wasn't expecting all of that. But he always asked them and I asked them, they'd say that, you know, he asked me, are you comfortable with this? And they'd say, yes. Maybe they were scared, who knows? But yeah, they came out there like, oh, my God, that was kind of weird, you know. Yeah. Question Were any of them upset about it? Answer, do they like regret it or something? Agent Richards? Question. Just shaken up, you know, just kind of shocked. Answer A couple of girls. Well, see, we were so young and Jeffrey didn't know that, like the whole thing was shooken up. When I brought them there and see, I don't know, I thought that they were, you know, most of the girls that I did bring there, they were 18, 19, 20. But I remember there was a couple of times I had brought like maybe 16 year olds or something my age, and they, I don't know, it's like they were scared to say that they were 18. They were like, if he finds out. And they were a little shook up about it and the age thing. But afterwards, like, if he climaxed or whatever, if they were like shooken up, I'm like, it's okay, you know, and they were like, I wasn't expecting that. But they told Jeffrey that, you know, they were comfortable with it. If anything, you know, maybe they were scared and they felt like a obligated, like they didn't want to say. I was thinking that they didn't want to say, like, no, you know, I don't want to do that. So who knows? I wasn't up there with them, so I couldn't tell you. Question who are the ladies who mentioned to you that they were kind of shocked? Answer Usually the girls that I would bring, like, one time I wouldn't even see them again. Question can you help me out with some names, though? And answer no, I can't remember her name. She's on the top of my. Oh my God. I don't remember. I can't remember. Ms. Vilafana. Question. None of the girls wanted to go to the authorities. Nobody was that upset that called you or spoke to you that was upset with what happened to the point that they were willing to report it? Answer no. If anything, thank you redacted so much because I really could use the money. Agent Richards. Question do you know the names of some of the girls that you brought? Answer, huh? Question do you know the names of some of the girls that you brought, other than the ones that we've talked about right now? Answer. Like I said, I can't remember because usually cut off by another question. There's about 30 of them. So you've got a no. Answer. No, I don't know. I just asked them, I said, hey, would you like to make some money? Here's my number. Do you want to make money? Here's my number, you know, and that's how it went. So I don't remember the names and. And I really didn't care to know their names anyway. Question do you know their phone numbers? Answer now. Question yeah. Answer no. Question. Do you know any of their phone numbers? Answer no. No, that was years ago. Question we're just trying to find any other ladies out there that we haven't already seen. And you brought 30 of them and we're just trying to answer, oh, I don't know if I brought 30 of them. Question Approximately. Yeah, no, I have no clue. No idea. Ms. Vilafana, did you stay in touch with any of the girls that you brought? Uh huh. Any of the girls that we've talked about, did you ever. When you were either bringing girls or when you were given massages, did you ever drink anything or take drugs? Whether it was a prescription drugs, I heard this on the news. No, it's ridiculous. You were never given drugs? Never. Question did any of the girls take drugs? Did you know that they were taking drugs? There was no alcohol, there was no drugs. No. Question. None of the girls that you brought were using drugs? No. Question. And just so you know, redacted. We're not talking about necessarily crack cocaine. We're wondering if anybody was taking any prescription medication. Answer I don't know if they were taking prescription medication. That's their problem. I don't know. And you didn't give anybody else any prescription drugs? No. When I was 16, I smoked pot, but no. Mr. Eisenberg jumps in here, okay, Gang. Back on the record. And I assume you mean prescription medication. Not prescription purposes. The witness. I thought you meant like for prescription. Prescribed. No. I don't know. Agent Richards. Okay, Vilafana. Question. But you aren't talking or taking any antidepressants or, or any pills or anything? No, I just smoke pot. But I mostly went there sober. I was comfortable with Jeffrey. Jeffrey always made me feel so comfortable. I thought I was a big girl. I was 18. You said that you stopped. Why did you stop going over there? You said that you had a baby and you changed. Yeah. Question. What happened? Everything changed in my life. Everything. I ended up getting a job and I just stopped. I just stopped. I don't know. Question. But if you felt comfortable, why did you stop going over there? Answer. I just stopped because I have a son now and I didn't feel like it was right. First off, I was a stay at home mommy. Okay. And what am I going to do? Bring my son over to Jeffrey's? No. You know, so I focused on my son. I had a beautiful baby boy. That was my pride and joy. I didn't care for anything else. I didn't care to tell friends. I dropped all my friends. Like, he asked me, do I have any numbers? No. You know, if anybody does call me, that's my mother. Like, it was just me and my baby boy. And it's been like that ever since. Agent Richards. Question. Having a baby is a life changing experience, isn't it? Having a baby? Yes. It's full time. Awesome. I love it. Yeah, he'll be two in August. Mine will be two in June. Is that when you started working with the company you're working with now? Well, I was there the whole time. I was pregnant. I was taken care of by my baby's father. Then I was a stay at home mommy for eight months. After that, I worked at LA Fitness Romeo Pizza. It's been a year now and what do you mean, is that why I'm working? No, I just didn't know where you were working. I thought you said you had gotten a job afterwards, after the baby was born? Answer. Yeah, I worked at the Laundromat for a couple of days. I just like to. I wanted to soak in my son. That's all I did. And I was like a hermit crab in the house, you know, and if anybody. I told, I told Sarah, I said, you know, I have a baby now and you know, I'd rather stay home with my baby. My old man was taking care of me. I didn't care about money. Everything was good. So a new life. Agent Richards, Question. Speaking of work, when you set up appointments with Sarah, did she refer to what the girls were doing as work? Like, would they go over to Jeffries to work for massage or. Answer no. Question how did she. Were any terms used or just general? Did she ask you if you had any girls that can work or did you have any girls that can come over? Do you have any girls that can give Jeffrey a massage? How did she ask for these appointments? Answer all of the above. Do you have any girls that would like to come over? Do you have any girls that would like to work? Yeah, all the above. Really? I mean, me and Sarah, we're really. It's like a friend relationship. She's fun. No, it wasn't like specific, like, hey, you know, do you want to come over and work? No, it was all different message, work, whatever. Question, okay, Vilafauna, you said that you and Sarah developed a friendly relationship. Did Sarah ever tell you what types of girls Jeffrey wanted? Or I think you said that sometimes she would say, he likes this girl. Or, I'm sorry, he likes that girl. Answer yeah. Question what exactly? What guidance did you give about recruiting the girls? Answer, she didn't give me any guidance. Jeffrey, from the get go, I really like women like you. So when I would go searching to make money or whatever are my girlfriends, I know what an attractive person looks like and I would bring them, you know, I didn't bring any overweight people. I just knew that what Jeffrey liked, you know? Question, did you ever talk to Sarah when you were given massages? Answer, yeah, I didn't know if she knew or not. Question, I have a picture of someone. I just wondering if you recognize this person. Answer, no. Was she a girl that was over there? Answer just a face that we wanted to answer. Okay, no, I don't. Richard's question. When you would ask the ladies if they'd like to go over to Jeffries, what was the percentage? How many people would say, sure, that sounds good, let's go do it. And how many would just say, no, I'm not interested. I mean, do you have. How often. When you would ask the girls. Answer, it was usually girls that I brought. The girls that I had brought, like the first five girls say, I would say, listen, you know, recruit your girlfriends and would go down the line, recruit your girlfriends, and I will pay you guys. So if I was off the wall, say I was, you know, at a club or something, and I was like, hey, girl, you want to go? They'd be like, you're crazy, you know? Question. That's what I wondered. When you approach them, what was the reaction? Answer. But when I talk to them over the phone, if it was one of my girlfriends friends or one of their friends, I would tell them exactly. And they'd be like, okay. You know, and some girls weren't comfortable with it, you know, how our morals are or whatever. If you're comfortable with your body, if you're comfortable with giving an old man a massage for 200 bucks. Question. For 30 minutes. Answer. You know, everybody is a different person. Question. Sure. Answer. But most of the girls were like, yeah, sure, Vilafana. Question. Did you ever say anything about, you know, be careful who you talk to about this? Or I guess I'm wondering why, you know, were rumors going around at school? Or how did everyone keep everything under wraps? Answer. Everybody knew. I don't know. Everybody made jokes about it. Like, it was not in school. It was more like in my neighborhood, they would call me Heidi Fleisch, and everybody just made jokes about it. I don't know. It wasn't. But I didn't care. Question. Right. Answer. You know, it wasn't. If you didn't get out, it wasn't really a big thing to me at all. Question. I guess I'm wondering, you know, kind of the way that this all came out was finally a parent found out about it. Answer. Yeah, I heard Question. And went ballistic. How did you keep the girl's parents from finding out? Answer. I don't know. Probably embarrassing. They obviously like Jeffrey that much. They. That they didn't tell anyone. Question. Did anyone hassle you at school? Did anybody call you Heidi Fleisch at school? No, I was out of school by then. Question. When did you drop out of school? Well, actually. Why? I'm sorry, I interrupted you because. No, you didn't. Well, my mother had took me out of school to homeschool me, and then I had went back to school because I was really behind, because she didn't homeschool me. And I got pregnant. That's why. And that's in the 11th grade. That's when I got out because I was pregnant. And I decided that I was. I mean, I didn't know what I was doing. I wanted to have a house. I said, I'm going to have this baby. I need to have a house, a car, and I set out all my goals. And that's what happened. But then I ended up getting my ged, and I have a life, Agent Richards. Question. Were there ever any Girls that came to you wanting to work over there that said, hey, I'd like to go over there and. And make 200. Did you have any of that? Answer, yeah. Question do you remember any of their names or their classmates? Answer. It wasn't. I wasn't involved in school so much. It was just some girl in the school. Question, okay, so she was really the only, like school related. Answer, like person from school. Yeah. Question okay. But it was mostly out of school, so I wasn't really hanging out with the best crowd. And all the people that I did hang out with, they were dropouts, so it wasn't anything in school. It was mostly like neighborhood people or my friend, one of my guy friends, girlfriends or whatever, you know, we were all young and stupid. Question, anything else? Do you have any questions for us? For me? Answer no. But I hope. I hope Jeffrey nothing happens to Jeffrey because he's an awesome man and it would really be a shame. It's a shame that he has to go through this because he's an awesome guy and, and he didn't do anything wrong. Nothing. Are you in love with him at all? My God, no. I love him as a friend. I love him as a friend. He has done so much for me. No, I'm not in love with him. I tell Jeffrey, do you want to marry me with all that money that you have? Agent Richards? All right, at this time we're going to conclude the interview. It's 5:34 by my watch, Mr. Eisenberg. The only thing we'll correct is that there might have been a reference to an old guy at 50 and we'll just say a more mature individual who is in his 50s. Thank you. All right, so that's going to wrap up the interview with Jane Doe 2 and Marie Villafana. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.