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And a tip of the cap to Leland for this, this article. This is an in depth article, very, very large article. And he obviously did a lot of work. 2,000 phone calls, that's just. It's like a nightmare for me. I can't imagine sitting around making 2,000 phone calls. But I'll tell you, this is an interesting subject and an interesting way to go about the investigation. Why not get right down to it and call some of the people in this book? And that's exactly what this author did. And a tip of the hat to you, Leland. Good job, buddy. Jeffrey Epstein's little black book is one of the most cursed documents ever compiled in this miserable, dying country. Yeah, hey, he's not wrong about that, right? Pax Americana ended the day. Those planes hit the buildings and it's just gotten worse progressively since then. And I mean, honestly, it looks like a country that's in its dying throes right now. America. It's embarrassing. What's going on in the streets is embarrassing. The way people conduct themselves is embarrassing. It's just an absolute shit show all the way around. And then you add on the little black book and boy, oh boy, that definitely is a one of the worst of the worst documents ever compiled, right? Totaling 97 pages and containing the names, numbers and addresses of a considerable cross section of the global elite. Epstein's personal contact book first turned up in a courtroom in 2009 after his former butler, Alfredo Rodriguez tried to sell it to lawyers representing Epstein survivors for $50,000. Rodriguez described the book apparently assembled by Epstein's employees as the Holy Grail. Yeah, look, but you know, again, I've always wondered, is it real? Was it really Epstein's book? Anyway, how much of it was Ghislaine's? How much did Ghislaine have to do with the book? You know, a lot of. She was in charge of a lot of the social media situations, right? Now, don't get me wrong, I'm sure Epstein was penning names in that book as well, but I bet you Ghislaine had just as much access to it. And, you know, she was in charge of the Rolodex. And let's remember, folks, she had a leadership role. So I'm guessing that we should be calling this the Maxwell Epstein Black Book. Rodriguez described the book apparently assembled by Epstein's employees as the Holy Grail. It is annotated with cryptic marginalia stars next to certain entries, arrows pointing towards others, and the names of at least 38 people are circled for reasons that aren't totally clear. There are 1,571 names in all, with roughly 5,000 phone numbers and thousands of emails and home addresses. There are celebrities, princes and princesses, high profile scientists, artists from all over the world, all along, all alongside some of the world's most powerful oligarchs and political leaders, people like Prince Andrew Ehud, Barack and Donald Trump. And the fact that Epstein not only was palling around with these people at so called events, like they said, right? Oh, we were just at parties together. Well, you were close enough that your names were in the book, right? So let's not act like, you know, the marathon defense is going to work here, folks. We, we have some questions and, you know, some answers are probably a good idea. And what the author of the article did here was really good work, right? He said, you know, what, the hell with the nonsense. I'm gonna go directly to these people, I'm gonna make these phone calls, and we'll see what's what. Rodriguez was Epstein's butler at his Palm beach mansion for many years. He was intimately familiar with his boss's sexual proclivities. He claimed to have seen nude underage girls at Epstein's pool, said that he would routinely wipe down and stow away sex toys in Epstein's room after massages, and alleged that he saw child pornography on Epstein's personal computer. And he's not the only one who has said that. Right. We have heard that from multiple people about the child pornography and the lewd pictures of young children and the artwork and just the whole entire weird ass vibe that a normal person would see and feel and be like, what in the is going on here? That's why when all of these people try and have these excuses of, oh, I had no idea what was going on. I really had no idea, you know, it wasn't that weird. I never saw any underage girls. All the other shit wasn't weird enough for you, bro, to make you question what in the f was going on in this place. I mean, come on. In 2011, Rodriguez was sentenced to 18 months in prison for having tried to sell the book to an undercover agent after failing to notify investigators about its existence. How about that, huh? Rodriguez got more time in prison, remember, than Jeffrey Epstein for trying to sell this book. It just shows you how skewed everything is when it comes to, to this Jeffrey Epstein case and the way prosecution has went about going after these people historically, right, we've seen some changes lately after people have just had enough and demanded justice, but previously it was an absolute shit show. How Does Rodriguez get 18 more months? I mean, get 18 months when Epstein only gets 13? It is, it's just, it just shows you the department of just us and the failure of those who are part of the institution. It just shows you how much their failure affects everything. Their, their inability to effectively manage the Justice Department has such long ranging consequences. Rodriguez said in court that the book was insurance against Epstein who, who wanted him to disappear. Rodriguez died of mesothelioma shortly after serving his sentence. The public first became aware of the book in 2015 when the now defunct website Gawker published a version of Rodriguez's copy, revealing for the first time just how ludicrously connected Epstein was to the people who run the world. And that's not even hyperbole, right? By the author. That's not even hyperbole. These are the people who run the world. We've been through them a million times here. All of the bankers, all of the, the, the power players in politics, all of these people combined are the people that literally run the world. They make the laws, they give out the loans, they decide, they decide who is going to qualify for a house or for a car, right? They're the ones that are in charge of all of that. These are the people that are pulling all of the, all of the strings. These are the people that are in charge. Gawker's file showed only names attached. Phone numbers and emails were blacked out shortly before Epstein's mysterious death in August 2019. In his cell at the Manhattan Correctional Facility, an unredacted version of the book popped up on some dark corners of the Internet with almost every phone number, email and home address entirely visible. And I got my hands on a copy. So again, this is real investigative work, right? This is the sort of work that investigators and journalists should be doing, especially in a case like this. And we have not seen enough of it. I, like, I've said from the beginning, I am, I'm not a journalist like, like this gentleman here, right. Uh, I'm certainly not working for one of these outlets or anything like that, but these guys who are, who are, have, have these resources behind them, these actual, these journalists, they, they have completely abandoned this story for the most part. You have very few real investigative journalists with resources digging in. And it's, it's pretty, it's pretty disgusting, honestly, to see some of the garbage that they focus on and write about as opposed to some of the hard hitting situations that really affect all of our lives. It's pretty pathetic to see what the 24 hour news cycle brings us on a daily basis. And then you have people like this over here at Mother Jones who are doing great work. And do you think he's going to be on any of these shows? Do you think Rachel Maddow is going to have him on or Tucker Carlson or. No, I'm sure they won't, but they should. Epstein's little black book isn't little at all. It's gargantuan. Its defining feature is its size and thoroughness. And there are just as many boring numbers as exciting ones. For every Jordanian princess, there are three reflexologists from Boca. The listings are at times preposterously detailed, often containing additional names and numbers for people's emergency contacts. Their parents, their siblings, their friends, even their children. All alongside hundreds of car phones, yacht phones, guest houses and private office lines. Does that sound like somebody that you just ran into? If he has your yacht phone phone number, your, your car phone number, your house phone number, you know, I mean, really, that's, that sounds like somebody who's just an acquaintance, somebody you ran into at the bar. I mean, come on, give me a break. This is obviously somebody that all of these people who had 5, 6, 7 numbers in this book, they all knew Jeffrey Epstein. And if they try and say any different, they're lying. Some individuals have dozens of numbers and addresses, addresses listed, while others just list just a single number and a first name. Epstein collected people, and if you ever had any interaction with him or Ghislaine Maxwell, his One time girlfriend and. And co conspirator. You more than likely ended up in this book. And then several years later, well, you received a call from me. I made close to 2,000 phone calls total. I spoke to billionaires, CEOs, bankers, models, celebrities, scientists, a. Kennedy, and some of Epstein's closest friends and confidants. That's pretty crazy. Just cold. Calling all of these people and. And having some of them talk to you is even more batshit crazy. I think it's just a very creative way to go about it, and Leland should definitely get some kudos here. It's a very creative way to go about your investigation, sir. I sat on my couch and phoned up royalty, spoke to ambassadors, irritated a senior advisor at Blackstone, Quality work F. Blackstone and the rest of the party running around there and left squeaky voicemails for what must constitute a considerable percentage of the world oligarchy. At times, the book felt like a dark palantir, giving me glimpses of dreadful, haunted dimensions that my soft, gentle animal being was never supposed to encounter. Yeah. Look, man, when you start delving into the world of Jeffrey Epstein and you start swimming around in the muck where he resided, it is not a comfortable place to be. It's a very dark and disgusting place filled with some really devious, dangerous, sick, sick individuals. So I get it. I know what you're talking about. Seeing at close range, the. The. Seeing at close range, the mundanity of Epstein and his fellow elites, how simple and childish they could be, was a sickening experience of its own. The worst call by far was with a woman who told me she'd been groped by Epstein. An incident she said she didn't report at the time out of fear of retribution from Epstein. I mean, how many times have we, you know, heard that story, right? How many times have we heard that there would be retribution if you talked or if you snitched on Epstein or you told the authorities about what was going on? And when he was around so many powerful people, and he counted so many powerful people as his friends and his allies. Well, it's one of those things where you believe him when he. When he lays that threat, right? I have been aggressively counseled to remind the readers of Mother Jones that an appearance in the address book is not evidence of any crime or of complicity in any crime or of knowledge of any crime. Yeah, well, that's for sure, Right? No doubt about it. But still, the question remains, why are you in the book? Most of these people won't even answer that simple question. And that's why it has become an issue if you're going to avoid it. Well this is something that's in the public sphere now. People know about it. You can't just make pretend that you're not in this book. You can't make pretend that you didn't have a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein in some capacity. What's up Foos? Main event Jay USO here from the wwe. When it's just me between matches, it's day one ish. 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When you're a rich billionaire or 100 millionaire or whatever you want to call them, you're around a lot of people as far as employees, people that are going to work for you and people that might not have an intimate relationship with you. Meaning people that aren't at the mansions, people that aren't involved in procuring girls for you. You know there's going to be plumbers etc etc, right? Sometimes I would call a number that had changed hands at some point since the book was compiled and instead of reaching the governor or fashion designer I was looking for, I would end up with just a normal bloke on the line. Some poor recipient of a torrent of wrong number phone calls of the worst variety imaginable. Their fate was a twisted inversion of my own. The oligarchy wouldn't stop calling them. That's crazy. I can't even imagine imagine having one of these phone numbers of one of these people who are in this book and you know they have a new number or whatever and you get the phone number number in the rotation. How horrible would that be? Some highlights and lowlights from my tour of Jeffrey Epstein's little black book. Remember an appearance in the address Book is not evidence of any crime or of complicity in any crime or of knowledge of any crime. Yeah, but there's still a lot of questions that need to be asked. Doug Band, longtime advisor to Bill Clinton, called a number listed as his home number, which wound up being his childhood home. Spoke to his dad for five minutes. Seemed like a decent guy. Doug hasn't lived here for 30 years. Alright, take care man. So he called Doug Band and it was the guy's home number, which was where the dude grew up. You imagine Jeffrey Epstein has your parents home number in their. In his, in his black book. What in the ever living fish. Why would he have that phone number? So many questions. Jimmy Cayne, a former CEO of Bear Stearns wife answered the phone when asked about Epstein and Kane's relationship. She said yes, they were friends, but we have no comment. Edward Razek, former chief marketing officer for L Brands. I can't talk about any of that. Our business has requested no interviews. And remember, Razek was also on the line. But by fostering a bad work environment for the girls at, at Victoria's Secret, those were the allegations. Sexual, sexual harassment, et cetera, et cetera. Rupert Murdoch, executive chairman of News Corp. His assistant gave me Hope Hicks cell phone number after I asked for it. Hicks has not returned any of my calls. Well, that's a shock, huh? I'm really shocked that Hope Hicks hasn't recalled returned any calls from you. I mean she's. These people, all of these people are just unbelievable, folks. I honestly don't even know what to say about half of them. Princess Furial, Jordanian philanthropist, called her home number. Dorman answered. I asked for a missed freeall, completely butchering the pronunciation. Dorman was confused. So I said princess. And he immediately told me where she was and who she was with. Peter Roth, chairman and CEO of Warner Brothers. Oh, that's not a shock, huh? I wonder how often Mr. Roth was hanging out with old Harvey Weinstein. Listed cell number went to his son's phone. Yeah, I don't really want to talk about any of this. His son said. I don't want to be anywhere near this whole Jeffrey Epstein thing. And that's what it's all about, right? They don't want to be near it. Even if they had a relationship with Epstein, they don't want to be near it. Folks, they'd rather back away. They'd rather just, you know, like I always say, the marathon approach. And now as it's becoming more serious, it's turning into a sprint. But these people who don't want to talk about it. Come on now. Now, I understand here. This went to his kid's son, right? I mean, to his. His. His son's phone. So I don't expect his son to answer for his father. But some of these other people that you know, don't want to talk about it and they want to just avoid it, that's not going to occur. The cat is now out of the bag. Jamie Grant, Global Chairman of investment banking, JP Morgan. I wonder how many times has Mr. Grant been involved with some of the stuff we talk about in the FinCEN files? I'm guessing a lot. As you all know, I think most of these bankers at this level, the Jamie Grant level bankers, are up to no good. So it would not shock me one bit if Mr. Grant wasn't involved in all of that sort of nonsense as well. Listed cell number also went to his son, who told me his dad didn't know Epstein or Ghislaine Maxwell. It's sort of like the New York City business world. I would say Jeffrey Epstein is like a couple people removed from my dad. Oh, so now we're doing seven. The seven degrees of separation of Kevin Bacon, huh? Yeah. Look, my dad. My dad's friend's friend's uncle's cousin knows Jeffrey Epstein. That's why my dad was in the book. What Robert Meester, former chairman of AON Insurance and the man who introduced Epstein to Leslie Wexner. He's a sicko. Bye. Bye. So that's what Robert Meister said Meester said, huh? Okay. That was very informative. Thanks a lot, sir. Kerry Kennedy, President of RFK Human Rights, listed as an emergency contact for Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. And Mary Kennedy, and seemed very taken aback that I had forgotten Bobby was dead. I asked where he was. Yikes. Yikes, yikes, yikes. I then asked her about Mary Kennedy, who I learned is also dead. Big yikes all around on this one. She told me she used to sell photographs to Mother Jones in her younger days. Well, okay, that. That was informative. And I'm sure that he had a bunch of phone calls like that, right? Calling people and they're like, what is this even about? And then it probably veered off into other directions when he realized that it was either a number of somebody who was no longer related to Jeffrey Epstein, meaning nobody that has a relationship with him or whatever have you. It would veer off into a different direction. Merrill Tish, former Chancellor of the New York State Board of Regents and heir to the Lowes Corporation. Me. Hey, I'M doing a story on Jeffrey Epstein. I was wondering if you ever met the guy or interacted with him. Tish, I don't know who you are. How did you get my number? Me? Well, I got it from Epstein's contact book. Hey, it's Bubba Wallace from 2311 Racing. You know what it feels like forever sitting on a plane waiting for takeoff? Good thing I've got Jumba Casino. With Daily Boost and Social Casino games on tap. This is the kind of fun that makes time fly. Why not turbocharge your downtime play now@jumbacasino.com? let's Jumba. Sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary. VGW Group Voidware prohibited by law 21/ Terms and Conditions apply. Tish. From who? Me. Jeffrey Epstein's contact book. No, this is ridiculous. Who are you? What's your name? My name's Leland. I'm doing a story for a magazine. Oh my God. You have to be kidding me. No, I can't help you out. Thank God. I mean, really. Me, Meryl and Jimmy were listed with an address and this number. You're Tish, right? With a C. There's a David Tish listed as well. Don't know if you're related. Tish. Huh? Goodbye. Oh, man, that's pretty. That's a good one there. That that lady seemed to be mortified that. That she was involved with Jeffrey Epstein or that her name was found in that black book. I can only imagine. I wonder what her voice sounded like on the conversation. Not just reading the words, but I wonder what the. What she sounded like. Joel Pashkow, board member of the Palm Beach Police and Fire Foundation. You're really pathetic, you know that? Yeah, man. People. People keep calling me up asking for Muffy and I'm like, you know, I'm just always polite, man. That's Elijah Hutch, 22 year old aspiring music producer who lives in Flatbush in Brooklyn. He has the old cell number for. For Muffy Potter or wife of world famous plastic surgeon Cheryl Astin. And the fourth greatest socialite in history according to Town and Country magazine. The fact that we have a list of the quote unquote greatest socialites in history, what sort of moronic nonsense is that? They get a list. Socialites get a list of who the greatest socialites in history are. I have an idea. How about you're all idiots, okay? The whole lot of you are idiots. They'll text me about some dinner I went to or how it was great seeing me with so and so and I'm always disrespectful, man. And just let them know, hey man, I think Muffy gave you the wrong number. Eli had no idea who Muffy was, or Epstein for that matter. And I almost didn't want to explain it to him. But I did. The child sex ring, the princes, the presidents, the suicide, the black book, everything. Out of all the people I spoke to, Eli had by far the most cogent analysis of the situation. Damn, man, this is all sounding so strange. Find eli Hutch on SoundCloud here. Let the haunting lyrics of Go away give you strength as they did me awake at my desk at 4am so I could call every pedophile in London. You're gonna need more coffee, bro. Look, in fact, I should send you a six pack of bangs because you're gonna need those. I think you're gonna need the energy drinks. Step it up. You're gonna need more. To call every pedophile in London's gonna take you quite some time, my friend. What a world. Any phone can reach any other. It's almost unbelievable what a string of 7 to 12 numbers can get you. All I did for weeks was sit on my couch, feel like dog shit, flip through this haunted book and call people up one by one, in between bouts of stress, diarrhea. That's it. You just type the numbers in and sometimes you get a ring and sometimes a person picks up, remember? Well, you know what I always say about being stuck in the house for six months? For six months, being locked down and shit. You really think that this guy would have went through this if he wasn't locked in his house? Probably not. So again, the quarantine has created some good content and it's really made people become pretty damn creative. The fuzz maybe. I made the first call from a coffee shop in Los Angeles, Koreatown, the day after Epstein's suspicious suicide in his cell at Manhattan's Metropolitan Correctional center while awaiting trial. A convenient turn of events for the rich and famous people who would now avoid exposure in court. Well, alright. Guess he started before the quarantine. So this guy actually has a lot of. A lot of pizazz, right? That's a lot of focus. 2000 phone calls calling all of these people and asking them. Probably going through the same questions with all of them. Talk about repetitive. And you know what? It turned into a fantastic story. And that it a lot of work, right? The day after Epstein committed suicide, he made the first phone call. So he's been working on this for a lot longer than the quarantine so props. The death was a national scandal. Followers of the Epstein case, I'm including myself here, reacted to his death with a burst of paranoia and anger. Conspiracizing was rampant. I had come across a screenshot of an unredacted section of the black book, and determined to track down its source, I decided to check the most awful place on the Internet, Achan, where I was quickly rewarded for my intuition. An unredacted PDF of the entire book had been posted just a few hours earlier. About 12 seconds later, I was dialing Melania Trump's personal cell phone voicemail. Then I sent a text to David Copperfield. David, we need to talk. It's about Jeffrey. I love it, I love it, I love it. Imagine sending that sort of text message to David Copperfield. Copperfield's reaction, he must have been like, who the. Who the was this? What do you mean, we need to talk about Jeffrey. Who in the hell is this? God to be a roach in the rushes when these idiots got these. These phone calls or these text messages, it must have been. They must have been caught. So off guard, I tried a couple more people, none of whom picked up, whereupon I was interrupted by a call from a restricted number. The guy on the line said he was. He was with the FBI. He said there were reports of fraudulent phone calls being made on this line, which I immediately understood as bullshit. I wasn't committing any phone crime or trying to trick someone into doing so. I don't know about fraudulent, but I have a feeling I know what you're talking about, I said, undoubtedly sounding cool, relaxed and unbothered. He then said, I have a real call coming in to what sounded like someone else in the room. His voice quiet in the way of someone who has just pulled the phone off of his face to look at it. He hung up and never called again. As far as I know whether the guy was FBI or private security goon posing as a Fed, the call was an important development. It told me that the book I was dealing with and the numbers it contained were genuine. Every cell phone number, every yacht line, every private office number, they were all real. And every one of them was about to get a call from me, the art collecting scientist. You're so full of shit. The next day, I began calling en masse. By now, in an effort to spare my girlfriend any psychic harm, I was operating from the Los Angeles Central Library. And first from a foyer, my voice bouncing off the high marble ceilings with embarrassing levels of clarity and volume. And then from a corner of the library's art gallery, deftly maneuvering around any guests when necessary. That day had been terrible, full of wrong and disconnected numbers, and I was close to quitting the entire project out of both fear and hopelessness when I placed what was maybe my 50th phone call to Stuart Pavar, who answered the phone and told me Jeffrey Epstein was my best pal for decades. So to go back to what he was talking about here with the FBI supposedly calling him, I don't doubt it, right? We heard what happened with Tara Palmer Palmeri in the Broken podcast about how the FBI talked to the Talk to Slips my mind right now. The. One of the butlers or the. The whoever the gentleman was that they talked to on Broken. Juana Lessi so how the FBI had talked to him previously and now how the FBI, the FBI or security goons called this guy and tried to tell him that he was making fraudulent phone calls. And that's just the way they conduct themselves, right? They love to try and intimidate. They love to try and put the. Put fear into people. But you know what? Sometimes you just have to put that to the side when you're working on a story as a journalist and you just have to keep charging hard. Tyler redick here from 2311 Racing Victory Lane. Yeah, it's even better with Chumba by my side. Racetochumbacasino.com let's Chumba. No purchase necessary vtw group void where prohibited by law ctncs21plus sponsored by Chumba Casino I mean, it's just when you cover stories like this, there's bound to be some sketchy moments. Pavar, 90 years old, is an art collector, scientist, and a founder alongside Andy Warhol. Warhol of the New York Academy of Art. How beautiful is that, huh? We all know about the New York Academy of Art and Eileen Guggenheim and all of the nonsensical BS that occurred there, don't we? He ended up speaking with me for over an hour about his very, very sick friend. In a conversation we wound up publishing in its entirety. Stuart told me over and over again that Epstein suffered from satrasis, which he described as the male version of nymphomania, and that he used his money and power to make an industry out of having sex with underage girls. Sounds to me like Stuart Pivar is making this stuff up or going on, you know, what, what he thinks maybe. Because I don't think that Epstein was, you know, making an industry out of it. I think there was a. No, you know what? Maybe. Maybe that is the Right way to say it. Making an industry out of it. Yeah, all right, I think we could go with that. This apparently entailed Epstein having sex with three girls a day. And hundreds and hundreds in total. He said he never knew Epstein was having sex with children until Maria Farmer, a student at the academy and an acquaintance of Pavar, had told him she had been assaulted and held hostage by Epstein. He also claimed that Epstein had never invited him to what he called the Isle of Babes. A reference to Epstein's private island where much of the child sex trafficking allegedly occurred. Yeah, it was a elite company, right? Only certain people that Jeffrey Epstein was bringing to that island, only some very select folks were invited to that island. People that Epstein knew had the same proclivities as him would be my guess. Pavar said he was in mourning for Epstein, who had died just two days before. We spoke by turns morose, defeated and indignant. Veering between florid ruminations about teenage sexuality and bitter denunciations of me and my life choices, he unloaded his thoughts and feelings about Maxwell and Leslie Wexner, Epstein's billionaire patron, as well as about nature of perversion, criminality, perhaps even life itself on pathology. What's a pervert? There are all kinds of behavioristic aberrations, obviously, including mass murderers. You don't call mass murderers perverts, do you? Uh, what? No, we call them mass murderers because they're killing people, okay? Perverts are people that do the things that your best friend Jeffrey Epstein did. Really? I was in mourning for Jeffrey Epstein. Sort of. Sick bastards in mourning for Jeffrey Epstein on nature and civilization. And so all kinds of rules get made and nature is not allowed to take its course on account of civilization. Jeffrey broke those rules big time. But what he was pursuing was kind of, I suppose, sexual urges which would. Why am I telling you this stuff? Leave me alone. Go away. So this 90 year old man goes on this rant, right? Starts prattling all this shit off to the author here, and then at the end decides, why am I telling you all of this? Leave me alone. Go away. I wonder if he ended it by get off of my lawn. On Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts and Epstein's child sex ring. Anyone who did one thing, let us say, to some 16 year old trollop who would come to his house time after time after time and then afterwards bitch about it, why no one would pay attention, except Jeffrey made an industry out of it. So this, this Stuart Pavar guy is obviously another sick bastard, right? Another one of these, you know, art World dealer. Sick dudes. We've talked about him previously when we were talking about the academy. And just when you read the things that they would say about Jeffrey Epstein or how they supported Jeffrey Epstein, or how they called one of these girls a trollop or you called Virginia a trollop. It's just the nature of these sick bastards. The nature of. Of these fellow travelers on nature and civilization continued the business of sexual attraction. The attraction of males and females in its natural state is not the same as what happens when civilization puts up all kinds of rules. Because sexual attraction starts at a very, very young age. When I was 14, I had to deal with a girl who was only 13 and somehow I remember it was at summer camp and I stopped having to do do with her because of the tremendous age gap on me and my life choices. You're so full of shit. It's terrible. You should not be writing about this. You're not qualified. What is this guy's obviously suffering from some form of dementia or something. Mr. Pavar. And sexual attraction starts at a very, very young age. So what does a 13 year old being attracted to a 14 year old have to do with Jeffrey Epstein or raping little girls on himself and his life choices? Why did I talk to you? I'm a dead fish and you're going to ruin me. Luckily, I don't know anybody who reads the Mother Jones anymore. I can't believe it still existed. This guy's throwing all kinds of smoke at the author, huh? Firing. You gotta have some set of balls to call Jeffrey Epstein your best friend, and then try to bring the smoke to this author on my having asked him to speak into yapping pointlessly. You asked me, so to speak, into yapping pointlessly because I have nothing else to do for the moment and I'm relying on you to understand what I say. If you misquote me or anything like that, I will sue your magazine until the end of the earth. Tell me your name again so I can start writing a complaint to sue you. Oh yeah. There. He'll probably call Alan Dershowitz right away. He's calling Mr. Underpants himself. Alan, I gotta sue Mother Jones. Can you help me out? That's the sort of people we're dealing with here. This guy who's calling Jeffrey Epstein his best friend is saying he's going to sue a journalist for calling him and asking about some context of their relationship. You don't have that ability anymore. Okay, that's done. Somewhere in all this, Pavar managed to tell me the entire backstory of his decades friendship with Epstein. Pavar had met Epstein through the New York Academy of Art where Epstein was a board member. It was at an NYAAA function where he met a young Maria Farmer, who along with her younger sister would become one of Epstein's earliest accusers. Farmer, a painter, was at the Wexner mansion at Epstein's invitation for what she believed was an art residency when she alleges Epstein and Maxwell sexually assaulted her and held her hostage for 12 hours with the aid of Wexner's massive security team. After the ordeal, former Farmer soon learned that her younger sister had also been assaulted by Epstein and and Maxwell during a similar artist residency. Pavar told me he ran into Farmer at a flea market where she told him this bizarre story. And I realized oh my God, something was happening after years and years which he, Epstein didn't tell me. So Maria not only told the FBI, she told Pavar here and he would just went on record saying that. So for all the detractors who like to run their fat stupid idiot mouths, well there you go. Another witness, huh? Another person to corroborate it. My hour long conversation with Pavar was genuinely illuminating. Pavar spoke about Epstein in the exact way many of his friends and colleagues would speak about him to me in the coming weeks. Reverence mixed with an acknowledgment of Epstein's essential disingenuousness. Much has been made in the press of Epstein's intelligence, mostly due to his vast wealth, the glowing adoration of his elite peers and the long roster of high profile scientists and thinkers with whom he surrounded himself. Pavar was the first person to peel back the curtain of Epstein's reputation with intimate firsthand knowledge of the man himself. And to counter the prevailing media narrative at the time, Pavar had attended a few of the now widely publicized intellectual summits at Epstein's house in New York. And we've, we talked about all of those and the power brokers that they brought in. We took, you know, the EDGE conference and John Brockman and all of the power players that were brought into Epstein's orbit for these sorts of conferences. Epstein hosted dinner parties for world famous scientists and thinkers from around the globe. People like Steven Pinker, Stephen Jay Gould, Martin Nowak, Lawrence Krauss and Marvin Minsky. Jeffrey didn't know anything about science. Pavar said. He would say, oh, what is gravity? Which of course is an unanswerable thing to present at a dinner to a bunch of scientists. And because he was Geoffrey, why they would and, and as the founder of the feast, they would listen to him and try to give answers. He was attempting somehow, in his ignorant and scientifically naive state, to do something scientifically important. He had no compunctions about inviting people. And since he had money, they would listen. Yeah, I think it was more about the. More than just the money though, too. Right. He was also offering them other things, like the girls that he was sex trafficking. And we've talked at length about these nerdy ass scientists, you know, that they weren't running around with the hot girls when they were growing up or even when they were in college. Just take a look at people like Jeff Bezos even, and Elon Musk before they got all their money and all the work done on themselves. You really think they were running around with, you know, hot girls? Hell no. And these scientists certainly aren't. So when Jeffrey Epstein would have that island available and he'd have all these traffic girls, that would just be the icing on top of the cake, right? Epstein used his money and influence to brand himself as an avant garde intellect, A sparkling auto auto autocrat dedicated to the pursuit of knowledge on the far out edge of human perception. In large part, it worked extraordinarily well. You could build mountains out of the bizarre, nebulous claims of esoteric knowledge ascribed to Epstein. He was good at puzzles and finding things out. He could look at an organization and see what was wrong. One friend told me. Wexner, when asked by Vanity Fair about his relationship with Epstein, said that he was good at seeing patterns in politics and financial markets. Epstein's mind goes through a cross section of descriptions. Joe Pagano, a longtime friend of Epstein, had said he can go from mathematics to psychology to biology. He takes the smallest amount of information and gets the correct answer in the shortest period of time. That's my definition of iq. Epstein's attempts to portray himself as a galaxy brain genius was surely helped along by his vast fortune. As I would find the myth of his genius and the fortune were mutually reinforcing notions. His brilliance went largely unquestioned because how else could he be so rich? His wealth wasn't so mysterious once you understood just how brilliant he was. Yeah, sorry, I never. I never thought Jeffrey Epstein was brilliant from anything we've read and from the stuff I've heard from people who knew him. It was all a facade, right? It was all fakery. He had some ability in the stock market maybe to move some numbers and shit, and he had a. A good feel for money laundering. But as far as legally, he really, he was nothing to write home about. He was no Wall street powerhouse. He was no big shot. He. He wasn't anything like that. But Pavar didn't buy it, at least not entirely. He still called his old friend a very, very brilliant guy and said Epstein had a very low, how should I say, charming, way of expressing himself. But Pavar also acknowledged that Epstein was a bullshitter. He couldn't concentrate on a subject for more than two minutes before having to change the subject because he didn't know what anyone was talking about and would blurt out the dumbest things, Pavar said. In particular, Epstein had an affinity for posing pseudo deep questions like what is up and what is down at the scientific summits he hosted on his private island. Doesn't shock me one bit. Honestly. A pseudo intellectual with like Jeffrey Epstein is, is definitely going to ask questions like that, right? Trying to act like he knows what he's talking about or floss like he's some sort of, you know, intelligent guy. And these scientists were all probably rolling their eyes in the back, you know, in their heads, in their minds, I mean, meanwhile acting like they care what this guy had to say because A the money and B, all of the others that came with it, the act would wear thin. Eventually, Pavar recalled, while everybody was watching, we began to realize he didn't know what he was talking about. Then after a couple of minutes, Jeffrey had no attention span whatsoever. He would interrupt the conversation and change it and say things like, what does that got to do with pussy? Yeah, that sounds about right. That most definitely sounds about right, folks. And we know that Stuart Pavard was a friend of Jeffrey Epstein's and they probably were pretty close. It wouldn't shock me one bit considering how close Epstein was to the academy, sitting on the board, all the money he donated, etc. Etc. Hello, it is Ryan. And we could all use an extra bright spot in our day, couldn't we? 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And even if he didn't see anything weird, Maria told him what was going on and he still stayed friends with Jeffrey Epstein. So Stuart Pavar is another one that, you know, it's good that he's talking, right, he's talking about, you know, his relationship with Epstein, etc. Etc. But he's not going to be able to pull the wool over anyone's eyes and act like, you know, he didn't see anything weird at Epstein's house. If you're over there and you're at his conferences and stuff, you saw a few weird things. Now do you want to acknowledge that or not? Well, that's a different question. And that's probably where we, where we're are with, where we are with Mr. Pavar. Right? He is just, he, you know, in his mind he has, it's normalized. That's the normal behavior for these people. So when Jeffrey Epstein has all this weird ass art and painting and on his walls, maybe this guy says to himself, yeah, yeah, you know, typical. Just the way we roll in polite society. So that's going to end part one of this very lengthy article and part two will be tonight on the Daily Drop. So look for that later on probably around 4pm or so Pacific Standard Time. All right everybody, if you'd like to contact me, you can do that@bobby capuchirotonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A P U C c I@protonmail.com youm can also find me on Twitter at Bobby Capuci. All of the links that go with this episode can be found in the description box. All right folks, I'll be back later on and we will finish this article tonight. We're gonna pick up where we left off on the morning update and finish this article from Mother Jones and Leland Noli. Quick catch up. This is the gentleman who, who called all of the people in Jeffrey Epstein's black book. We did the first part of this article earlier this morning and now this is going to be the conclusion of where we left off. So let's just jump right back in again. This is an article from Mother Jones and the author is Leland Noli, the actress It's a weird feeling. I'm kind of repulsed. Pavar was the first person I spoke to who had actually been close to Epstein. There would be others, and they would speak as freely and searchingly about Epstein as Pavar had, musing about their place in his life, some racked with guilt, some clumsily rushing to his defense. By far the most eager sharer was an actress who had met Epstein in the early 80s, before he'd gotten super rich, and who had maintained a decades long close friendship with him as he rose into the ranks of the elite. She asked that we not use her real name. We will be calling her Julie. Julie, huh? I can only imagine who Julie could possibly be. I mean, look, a lot of these people that were involved with Jeffrey Epstein, even if it was just a friendship like this, this lady Julie, they, you know, they didn't want to talk about that friendship. They didn't want to say that things were weird, right? They didn't want anything to do with the chance of Epstein crushing them under their heel. So when you had like these models and these actresses and these girls that were around Epstein, well, he was in complete control, right? Julie's name did not have any particular special notation in the book. She's not famous by any means. And as far as I know, she hasn't ever talked to any other reporter or media outlet. I like talking to you. I don't really want to talk to anyone else. She told me at one point, how old are you? You're like my therapist. And I get it. I've had people open up to me and just pour about situations involving Epstein and otherwise. So I get it. I understand exactly what he's talking about there. And for so long, a lot of these people who were affected by Jeffrey Epstein and his cohorts, they couldn't talk with anybody. They couldn't open up and tell their stories because they were afraid of reprisals. Julie and I would speak multiple times on the phone over the months I worked on this story. Sometimes for over an hour, sometimes for just a few minutes. She met Epstein in the 1980s at a dinner with her agent and a group of models at a known model hangout in New York City. Epstein approached the table and asked if any of them would like to go party at his apartment. And some of the women agreed, Julie included. While Epstein played the piano for the small crowd in his place, a friend of hers pulled her aside and told her, I think he's hitting on you. And again, typical for Jeffrey Epstein, right? A typical move, a Typical place for him to try and go and get some girls at a model hangout. What better for Jeffrey Epstein when he can walk in there and talk about how he knows this person, he knows that person. I have access to Victoria's Secret, so of course he's going to have these models enthralled. And then we know exactly what happened after that, don't we? Julie allowed there was some initial mutual attraction and flirtatiousness, but nothing crossed the line. She said the two are friends and remain friends and nothing more for their entire relationship. Soon after they met, Julie would find herself talking with people like Vera Wang and Andy Warhol at Epstein's dining room table, or flying with Epstein on his private planes to meetings and parties around the world. Vera Wang and Andy Warhol, huh? Doesn't. Doesn't shock me one bit. It does not shock me one bit. We've heard how many times the people that were around him, the people that were spending time with him, and then it's always these people that want to live on top of an ivory tower themselves and cast judgment on the rest of us. I find it a galling that these people would continue to conduct themselves when they've been exposed for the absolute disgusting monsters that they are. She take a couple of trips to his private island, Little St. James, frequent his properties in New York, New Mexico and Palm beach, chill with a few of Bill Clinton's staffers, and meet many of the people in Epstein's inner circle, including Virginia Roberts, his eventual accuser. She was always there in Little St. James. Julie said, yeah, look again, the corroboration that we have heard from people who were around on the island and elsewhere when Virginia is alleging that this abuse took place is something that cannot be ignored. Right. The only way you could ignore it is if you're looking for a way to try and discredit what these girls are trying to say. But the evidence that we have available to us, the, the, the circumstantial evidence and the, the eyewitness accounts of people who have come out on record. Now we're talking about four or five people. So again, where are the receipts from the accused? They don't have any, folks. All right? That's why they haven't come forward with them. That's why they're not trying to challenge this in any way. And that's why you see people like Dershowitz lashing out the way he has, because they know their backs are against the. The backs, Their backs are against the wall. And there's going to Be a lot of information coming out. We see that there's 328,000 documents and discovery already turned over to the defense. So what else is going to come out? Julie was always adamant with me that she never witnessed any sexual abuse during her entire relationship with Epstein. And that while she and everyone else knew that Epstein was into young girls, she never questioned whether any were of legal age. Of course not. Nobody did, right? All of these people hanging out with Epstein thought that he was just such a good looking dude, such a, you know, big, buff, swole, good looking cat, that all these young girls were flocking to him. Come on, everybody knew. I'm so tired of that excuse. What are we, 719 articles in? How many times are we going to have to hear that excuse? She also repeatedly told me how happy all the girls were to be with Epstein. At least the ones she saw. The girls that complain and say they didn't want to be there or that they weren't happy if someone was unhappy. He had no time for you. His attention span was so short and he could be really rude. So any girl that was around him had to be up and bubbly. She said, you know, he was always joking around, doing stupid, like sexual jokes. If there was some girl walking around, he'd pants her or something, you know what I mean? But it was always in jest. I let him go back then. I let him go back then, but you know, it's a weird feeling. I'm kind of repulsed. But somewhere deep down I do miss that personality. Oh, how many of these so called members of polite society are going to say they miss Jeffrey Epstein? And furthermore, what are you fucking 12 pantsing people? What, are you kidding me right now? That was the kind of shit you did in the locker room when you were like a freshman in high school, a grown ass billionaire. When girls are walking around his house and he's pantsing them and nobody thinks that's weird, nobody bats an eye, huh? I'll tell you what, try that on some of my friends and see the result. Watch how quick you catch the three piece with a soda on the side from one of these girls. Because I'll tell you what, pantsing somebody, that shit's not gonna fly. That's not normal behavior. And for Julie to act like Miss Julie here to act like it's, oh, no big deal. Well, I'll tell you what, Julie, it's no big deal because you're around a bunch of sick bastards who have normalized this behavior to you. Julie seemed absolutely helpless in the face of the monstrousness of the Epstein saga. And over the hours of calls we had, she would achingly retrace her relationship with him and his circle with me. At times she was resolute in her condemnation, despairing over the seriousness of his crimes and at one point telling me to she was glad he's dead. Well, she's obviously all over the place with what she's saying. Deep down, I kind of miss that personality. But at another point, I'm glad he's dead. Look, I don't know who this Julie is, but might want to seek a real therapist as opposed to the author of this article. At other times, even though she was a survivor of sexual assault as well, she would grow irritated and retreat into denial, offering sloppy, desperate defenses of Epstein's actions or doubts about survivors. She read me excerpts from her diary over the phone, shared gossip, and led me to flight logs and photographs to corroborate her story. She wept over how much how such an influential figure in her life, someone who treated her with kindness, someone who she looked up to, could have done such awful, hideous things. And how terrible it was to look back on their relationship and feel betrayed. And worse still, to miss him. Although she had better insight into his life than perhaps most people on this earth, she too had agonizing unresolved questions. And parts of Epstein still remain an enigma, even to her. Yeah, look, it's a lot of deflecting here, right? A lot of trying to make excuses for his behavior and there are no excuses for his behavior. I don't care if you're his friend, your mom, his confidant, his uncle, whatever it may be, there is no excuse for Jeffrey Epstein's behavior. I am sorry. We're not talking about a white collar crime here. And I've said this over and over. You're involved in some sort of Ponzi scheme, you can be forgiven. You're involved in cheating on your wife, you can be forgiven. You're involved in stealing, you can be forgiven. Hell, you start an endless war, you can be forgiven. But if you're involved in abusing children, sex trafficking women for decades on end and you catch a plea deal the first time around, the second time around, well, you can't get away with that, my friend. Alright, I think a lot about what my role and some girls roles were different. Julie told me. I think Jeffrey liked to exploit people. If he saw a girl and could corrupt her, he might like that. There are two things that make Julie's story unique. One, unlike many of Epstein's friends. She is not a famous or known person that. Well, he had a lot of people around him that weren't famous. Right? He liked good looking girls, right? Attractive young girls or girls that might have been of an age but were younger looking. Hello, it is Ryan and I was on a flight the other day playing one of my favorite social spin slot games on chumbacasino.com I looked over the person sitting next to me and you know what they were doing. They were also playing Chumba Casino. 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Well, until we know who Julie is, and if we ever do know who Julie is, we don't really know how truthful her story is, right? We don't know how close they really were. So I'm gonna leave this as an up in the air one, right? Could be, they could be close. No doubt about it. But again, we have to, we have to really question people that are coming forward in this case, right? People that are saying they knew Jeffrey Epstein well, etc. Etc. And I'm not saying that she didn't. She most definitely might have, but I'm always a bit skeptical. Throughout the many years of their friendship, she attended several private gatherings where only a small number of Epstein's friends were present, giving her an opportunity to meet and get to know the big players in his life. When Julie first met Epstein, he was wealthy, but far from the ultra rich guy he would become. He was secretive about his work always. But she believed he was working as a bounty hunter when they met, helping track down embezzlers for corporations and possibly governments. Well, this is certainly a story we have heard, right? So this brings a little credibility to what she's been saying, because that is definitely a story that was going around in circles, that Jeffrey Epps Epstein was a sort of bounty hunter, a sort of forensic accountant for the government and for corporations, and his job was to hunt down money that was either hidden or stolen, etc. Etc. So that definitely rings like a nice sound of truth to it, right? Because that is definitely something that people in the know who knew him early on have been adamant about. She told me she sat in on a meeting in Paris between Epstein and Leslie Wexner, the founder of L Brands and Victoria's Secret, who says Epstein embezzled at least $46 million from him. Yeah, right. Epstein didn't embezzle shit from him. I don't buy that for a second. All of a sudden, he comes out and says that, right? To try and distance himself a little more, to make it look like him and Epstein had a falling out. But in reality, come on, man. Who's believing that shit? This was early in Epstein and Wexner's relationship, not long after the two had been introduced by insurance tycoon Robert Meester. Epstein began working for Wexner in the late 80s, though the nature of that work still isn't entirely clear. Vanity fair in 2003 said it was related to cleaning up, tightening budgets and efficiencies. Julie told me Epstein was helping to track down employees who Wexner believed were stealing money from him at L Brand's headquarters. So, okay, look, if. If Julie was really this well placed and she was sitting in on meetings like this, then the information she has is a treasure, treasure trove. And I would hope that she was. She'd speak to the authorities because she might have some information that they could have missed or something that could help put the pieces together. So I would hope that they would try and contact her on the down low about. About this. Right. She's not a survivor. She wasn't abused by Epstein. She was somebody in her. In his circle. And obviously, according to this article, she has some information that she can add to the wider story, to the bigger picture. Leslie had said to him, I have a problem in my company. There's something wrong. Someone is stealing from me. Would you fly out to Ohio? And of course, that's like hell for Jeffrey going to Ohio. Would you fly to Ohio for several months, going over all my books with a fine tooth comb and find out what's going on? So we know that Wexner and Epstein were tight, and we know that Epstein was in charge of Wexner's assets. Right. He was in charge of pretty much the whole kit and caboodle. So it would make sense that for him to chase the money down, that Wexner would have to give him the keys to the castle. Right. So, again, definitely rings true here. On the plane to Paris, Epstein prepped Julie for the meeting. It was just going to be the three of them, Epstein, Wexner and Julie. Julie wasn't attending in any official capacity. She was meeting some friends in Paris, and Epstein invited her to catch a ride with him on Wexner's plane. She recalled a nervous and excited Epstein telling her to be on her best behavior, worried that she might say something that would make him look bad and. And emphasizing how important this meeting was. Yeah, of course it was. When you're meeting your handler, it's a big, big deal, Right? When you're meeting one of the people that kicked your blackmail scheme into effect, as, in my opinion, Wexner was involved in. Yeah, of course you're going to be telling some girl that's with you that she better be on her best behavior, Right? That this is, you know, you're. You're going to deal with the guy that's basically in control of your life. The one. The one or handful of people that was in control of what Jeffrey Epstein was up to. So, yeah, I could see him definitely telling her that it's an important meeting and that he expects her to be on her best behavior, whatever that might mean. Wexner was this super successful guy who didn't really have any life, and Jeff described him to me as completely socially inept. Julie said, Jeffrey was like, look at me now. Wow. Look at where I am. And it was exciting for him. The meeting, at least to Julie, was nothing momentous. I remember meeting Leslie at the cafe, and all he did was eat peanuts out of the little peanut tray. And I remember, just to try and make him feel comfortable, I ate the peanuts with him. It was so incredibly awkward, said Julie. Leslie was shy, quiet, and the meeting was short and uncomfortable. Few words shared, no food served, the trio sustaining themselves on peanuts alone. I can only imagine what this author, the author of this article was saying to themselves, listening to this Julie lady ramble about Wexner eating peanuts. I mean, have we, like, delved and. And fallen into an alternate reality again? Well, I don't even know what this is, what this is even about. So this Jeffrey Epstein brought this C list or D list actress with him to go meet Leslie Wexner. I mean, really, I never heard anything like this before. So I guess, you know, it's a. It was a peanut eating affair and fun was had by. All in all, it was an eventful evening, an uneventful evening. But looking back now, one can see why Epstein had been so excited about cozying up to Wexner. Jeffrey told me this guy Wexner was everything in the world, but he doesn't have anyone to share it with. And Jeffrey knew all the girls in the world. That was Epstein's M.O. julie said. He takes some rich guy and introduce him to a girl. I spoke with one woman who said she met Epstein at an art fair in Palm Beach. He was direct with her. He came up to me and said, would you like a date with Prince Andrew? She recalled. Look, we know that. We know that Jeffrey Epstein was definitely providing girls for the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family. We know that he was providing girls for all of these rich people and Leslie Wexner, too. We know what Virginia has stated in the past, right? So I would not be shocked if, you know, he was providing other young ladies for. For Wexner and the rest of these people. On top of it, you see, because at the core of it, Jeffrey Epstein, his plan was the blackmail. Let's remember, it was about the blackmail, this trafficking ring, of course, it had to do with his sick proclivities, but the blackmail was the real motivation why this ring was kicked into effect and more importantly, folks, why it was protected. In the years following, Epstein began to play a central role in Wexner's life. Jeffrey wasn't just a money manager. He was a personal assistant. If Leslie had a problem with his yacht, he was there. Julie told me the billionaire handed over huge swathes of his finances to Epstein's control. Sold a plane and a mansion to trust that Epstein controlled, and to the surprise of his friends and colleagues, went so far as to hand Epstein his power of attorney in 1991. So remember, okay, Wexner was around from the jump. In my humble opinion, it was Wexner and Bob Maxwell that got this off the ground financially. Those were the two power players. Those were the two golden cash cows. The. And those were the two people who made everything possible financially and logistically for Jeffrey Epstein to kick this off. People have said it's like we have one brain between two of us. Each has a side. Epstein told vanity fair in 2003. Colleagues and friends of Wexner's were shocked at Epstein's hold over Wexner. Julie, however, wasn't that surprised. She recalled Epstein saying to her this guy has no life, and I'm going to give him a life. It was that simple. So I don't really. Again, I don't really know if that was the case or if that was their cover story. Again, remember who we're dealing with here, folks. People that are. That are involved in spycraft. There's always an enigma wrapped inside of the conundrum, right? So was this just their cover story that Wexner had no life and Epstein was the guy that was going to give him this thing, life of, you know, girls and stuff around him, blah, blah, blah, or was it something much more sinister and that was just the COVID story? Epstein's relationship with Wexner was transformative, if for no other reason than that he became incredibly rich because of it. Julie says a huge, huge change occurred in Epstein's personality after his relationship with Wexner began to solidify, and particularly after he had started amassing his mysterious fortune. Well, I could see that as well. You become bolder, right? You become a lot more bold when, you know, you have the Wexner's and the Bob Maxwell's and the Ehud Baracks of the world behind you and involved in making sure that you're not going to get caught up. So it definitely changes you and transforms you and makes you a bit different. In fact, in her mind, three people were responsible for the changes she saw in her friend. There was Wexner. Less directly, there was Bill Clinton, who reportedly connected with Epstein through the Clinton Foundation. Now we know it was before that he was coming to the White House. Even before then, Jeffrey Epstein made trips to the Bill Clinton White House. So it was before the Clinton foundation that they became friends. Okay? Seeing a powerful guy like Clinton get away with what he got away with, said Julie, who never met Clinton, I think it just emboldened him to think he could do whatever he wanted. And above all, there was Ghislaine Maxwell. When he was younger and living in New York, there weren't a lot of young girls. I could see it progressing as he got older, more powerful, more money, Julie told me. And the Ghislaine thing, I think, is the key. Well, of course, the girls got younger and he became more brazen and more bold because once Ghislaine came into the picture, well, that was when the intelligence angle really took over. And once the intelligence players got involved, they knew they pretty much had carte blanche. They could do whatever they want. A Get out of Jail Free card. You're gonna get an NDA signed for you. Don't worry. Nobody's an npa. Nobody's gonna prosecute you. Don't worry about it. This is for the greater good. Go in and sate your disgusting fantasies, you sick monster. Is basically what his handlers told him. So when Ghislaine showed up, that was when it was a little easier for him to have a cover story, a little easier for these girls to be around because he had Miss Oxford herself there to try and make it seem normal. Maxwell, the daughter of billionaire publishing magnate Robert Maxwell, is often called just else. Called Epstein's right hand woman. Epstein's relationship with her was by all accounts tumultuous, toxic, and life altering for the both of them. Well, again, I don't know about toxic, really. I mean, I guess overall, yes, the relationship was toxic. But I don't go off of the premise that there was any kind of real relationship there. This was a partnership and a partnership not chosen. It was like an arranged marriage almost. Right. They have this man, Jeffrey Epstein, who had worked with the CIA or the government, whoever. Ha. Whoever you might have penciled in there when he was tracking down this money for them. And then you have Bob Maxwell's daughter, Mr. Spy himself, someone who was taught at his knee in the world of spycraft. And you put them together to get the operation running. So yeah, hell yeah. When Maxwell showed up, everything kicked into overdrive. Julie related the dynamics of their relationship to me in the extreme middle school terms. At first, Jeffrey had a crush on Maxwell, but she blew him off and treated him like crap. Shortly after they met, Maxwell's father died after falling off his yacht. As Julie put it, Maxwell was an emotional wreck. And it was here that Epstein went in for the kill, in Julie's words. Nope. Sorry, I don't buy that. More cover story. More disinformation went in for the kill. So Ghislaine Maxwell is a victim. Right? That's basically what they want us to believe. And I will not have any of it. Folks, I'm sorry, we have read too much, we know too much. She is responsible for what she did. She could have went to the authorities when Epstein was arrested the first time and tried to get immunity. Then she didn't. None of them did. What's up Foos? Main event. J uso here from the wwe. When it's just me between matches, it's day one. Ish. And that means it's Chumba time. With hundreds of casino style games and new titles arriving weekly, there's always something fresh to try at Chumba Casino. The Daily Boost make It even more fun and have me bout to get em all during my downtime. Ready for a fun way to chill out and enjoy a few minutes Minutes for yourself. Let's chomp. No PURCHASE necessary VGW GROUP VOID where prohibited by law. CTS and C's 21+ sponsored by Chumba Casino apparently it worked. And even though he would soon become bored and done with her, Epstein continued to take advantage of Maxwell's emotional vulnerability and eventual attachment. According to Julie, the remainder of their relationship was built on resentment, mutual jealousy and a toxic codependency. Yeah, sorry Julie, I don't think you know their relationship that well. I'm just gonna be honest when I say that here folks. Like usual, I'm not gonna hold back. I'll be honest and I don't really know if I believe Julie's stories here. Sorry, I just don't know if I don't if they ring true. When it comes to Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell's relationship, I don't think she would be privy to the behind the scenes machinations of their relationship. Sorry. He resented her for rejecting him when she didn't need him. And now that she did, he was going to exploit it. She used him and he used her. And that's where this whole sexual production line came in. Julie told me she needed to be essential for him. Recruiting girls is how she kept her place. She had value for him. She ran his house. Yeah, close. She did run the house. She did have value. She did recruit girls, but from a leadership position, not from a position of being forced to do it. Maxwell has widely been accused of helping orchestrate Epstein's child sex ring. Dan Kaiser, attorney for one of Epstein's survivors, said that Maxwell was integral in maintaining the sex trafficking ring. She provided important administrative services in terms of the hiring of recruiters and management of those employees, the making of appointments and and dates for interactions between Mr. Epstein and underage girls that were providing sexual services to him. She also maintained the ring by intimidating girls by ensuring their silence. Yeah, and she also helped abuse the girls. How about that? We're just gonna leave that out, huh? That's not something we're gonna add in. Yeah, let's add that in, why don't we? She abused these girls with Jeffrey Epstein and without him, sometimes with Sarah Kellen Vickers. According to reports, Maria Farmer, one of Epstein's earliest survivors, said under oath that Maxwell brought in a stream of young teenage girls to Epstein's New York mansion and told the Guardian that Maxwell was key in making Me feel safe. I trusted her because she is a woman. She would make us trust her. She would make us really care about her. She was so dangerous. And that is the story, right? What who Ghislaine Maxwell really was. Not saying that Julie didn't know Epstein. Not saying that Julie wasn't around. But I think I'm gonna have to go with the survivor's account of who Maxwell was. When she showed people her real face, Ghislaine controlled the girl. Sarah Ransom, another alleged survivor of Epstein's, told the BBC program Panorama she would be the one getting all the girls in check. She knew what Jeffrey liked. This was very much a joint effort. Bingo. 100%. All the evidence leads there. Everything leads home to Ghislaine Maxwell having a leadership role here, and she should be treated in that regard. She should be charged as a leader in this ring, and she should have every single RICO charge in the history of man that is applicable dropped right to her feet. Maxwell would also allegedly participate in the abuse. Maria Farmer and Virginia both say that Maxwell sexually abused them. And we have other girls. What about Annie? You know, we've heard from multiple girls that Ghislain was in on the abuse itself. And if she was abusing these girls, don't you think she was abusing other girls? It's pretty. Pretty apparent to me that she was abusing a lot of other girls as well. Because of these allegations and others like them, Maxwell was on the move for almost a year after Epstein's mysterious death. She was arrested only recently in New Hampshire and charged with enticing a minor to travel to engage in criminal sexual activity, transporting a minor with the intent to engage in criminal sexual activity, conspiracy to commit both of those offenses, and perjury in connection with a sworn deposition. Again, conspiracy can't be committed by one person. Conspiracy is two or more people engaged in a criminal act. So let's get on with the two or more people, shall we? In the course of my project, I would come to realize the little black book was Maxwell's as much as it was Epstein's. Bingo. Yes. It was not even a question in my mind. Dozens of people I spoke to were surprised to hear they were listed in his book, sometimes alongside their parents or siblings, numbers and home addresses. And just as many claimed they had never once met Epstein. But nearly all of these people did have some kind of relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell. A friend of Maxwell's who had also seen the book told me this looks like her address book. I know several people in here who've never met him. I would figure about a fourth of the people listed in the Black book knew only Maxwell. Of course, that was her role. Maxwell was in charge of the the whole entire entry into so called polite society. She was the vehicle, she was the conduit, she was the one that opened the doors. So of course it would make sense that she would be Jeffrey Epstein's gatekeeper. Like the President has a chief of staff, the person who says and who makes the decision who's going to see or not see the President. Same sort of shit here, folks. And it was Ghislaine Maxwell who acted in that role and in that capacity. Her hand in the creation of this book is clear. There are several massage lists for California, Paris, New Mexico and Florida containing dozens of female first names with numbers beside each. Next to some of these names are little notes in parentheses like GM really likes. I spoke to one woman, a body worker, who has a note next to her name in the book that reads GM hasn't tried yet. Oh, she shouted. That's so fucking creepy. Yeah, imagine. Imagine your name's in that book and you had no interaction with these people. Or, you know, you've never met Jeffrey Epstein, or you're just like a massage therapist and this reporter cold calls you and tells you this stuff. I would, I would just. I don't even know. I mean, time to get a new phone number. Obviously. Ghislaine was a shark. Julie told me anything you read about her that's positive isn't true. She's a scary woman. The picture that Virginia drew of Ghislaine, I completely believe what she wrote. Julie told me Maxwell was Epstein's ticket into proper high society. Yeah, how long have we been talking about that here? How long have we been talking about the conduits that led to Jeffrey Epstein and this reputation that he had and all of these people that were involved in it now, well, they're either doing the marathon defense or some of them it's getting so close that it's become a full on Sprint, obviously. But these people, these were the ones who built this reputation for Epstein. These were the people who look the other way. And it was all facilitated by Ghislaine Maxwell, her swag and her, you know, so called, quote unquote socialite Persona. So, yeah, this was much more Maxwell's book than Epstein's. I definitely agree with that 100%. Jeffrey had money, Ghislaine had status. Julie said, yeah, there's no doubt. And that again, it wasn't a coincidence, it was Set up like this by the powers that be, at least in my opinion, from the way I see it, my perspective, it was for sure an arranged marriage, so to speak, you know, business wise speaking as far as the operation goes. And yeah, Ghislaine was going to be the person to kick in them doors and Jeffrey Epstein, he was the money man. Well they were the ones who set him up with the money, right? Maxwell and Wexner, he was the one that had the money, Ghislaine was the one who had the pizzazz to get those doors knocked in and to get Jeffrey Epstein rubbing elbows with the right people so in turn they could get those right people caught up in the operation and build the dossiers on them. Remember folks, as much as these people like money, the one thing that is more important to them than money is information. It was Maxwell who introduced Epstein to Prince Andrew, eighth in line to the British throne. In an affidavit, Roberts claimed she was forced to have sex with Prince Andrew, AKA the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family, multiple times in multiple locations. Roberts was attempting to join a lawsuit against Alan Dershowitz who succeeded in keeping other plaintiffs off the case. Her affidavit was struck from the record in 2015, remember 2015, we were still embroiled with the COVID up. Epstein hadn't been arrested for the second time and the COVID up was fully active still not any longer. It's the doors are getting blown wide open and with Maxwell being arrested and being left to twist in the wind like this, it signifies that these assets are burned and their handlers have torched all roads that lead back to them and they have abandoned them to their fate. Included in the Affidavit was a 2001 photo of Andrew with his arms around Robert's waist, a smiling Maxwell in the back background. Maxwell was indispensable to the world Epstein had built for himself. But eventually Julie says he wanted to dispose of her anyway. He was mean to her in the end and he wanted her gone. He called her brain dead and he'd be rude to her in front of people. Julie said it made my skin crawl and I didn't even, I didn't even like her treating anybody like that. That's just not right. Again, in my opinion all part of the COVID story. The non PC stand up comic. All he talked to me about was comedy. My wife's going to be pissed I talk to you about this, the self styled pitbull of comedy told me one day. But look, I've got nothing to hide. This Was Bobby Slayton, a stand up comic who was notorious for his racist and sexist material. He used to call me up and be like, how do you get on stage with all this MeToo stuff? Slayton said, funny story about Bobby Slayton. My dad worked in entertainment for a very long time here in Las Vegas and he had some pretty high profile jobs in live entertainment. And one of the people that worked with my dad in a capacity of coming through for some shows is this very Bobby Slayton. So one time when I was a kid, and we're talking a long time ago, I was probably, well, I don't know, 19, 20, maybe a little bit older. Maybe a little bit older. Anyway, Bobby Slayton calls my parents house and it was something about work, obviously, to talk to my dad about the production. And I answer the phone and he goes, hey there you asshole, put your father on the phone. I've now, mind you, I've never met this guy, never heard from, never. I didn't even know who the dude was. And that was the way that he called the house, looking to talk to my dad. So when this dude talks about how he's like a non PC racist kind of comic kind of dude that is, that toes the line, shall we say. There's no doubt I could affirm that just from that one little conversation when I answered my parents phone. And according to Bobby Slayton, he was Epstein whenever he wanted to. Whenever he talked to Epstein, it was about comedy. And of course, Epstein was talking about the me too stuff, right? That was the stuff that pertains to him the most. How do you get by using that kind of comedy schtick these days? And if you're not familiar with Bobby Slayton's comedy, it is pretty rank and raw, to be honest with you. Epstein took a liking to the comedian after seeing him perform at the Palm beach improv in the 1990s. The guy was a big fan of mine and his girlfriend Ghislaine called me for his 50th birthday party. She said he was a big fan and wanted me to come entertain and there was going to be some big high profile people there. So I asked, what does it pay? And she says, well, it doesn't pay anything, but we're going to fly you out and put you up. And I said, what kind of fucking gig is this? Slayton mentioned to Maxwell offhandedly that he might bring his wife, to which she answered, no women. The party fell through, or at least Slayton's invite did. But Epstein kept in contact with the Comedian catching his shows around Palm Beach, Miami and New York. I could 100% see Jeffrey Epstein enjoying this guy's comedy schtick. It was. It's pretty raw, right? Again, if you're familiar with this, with Bobby Slayton's comedy shtick, it is pretty raw. He was a house comedian here in Las Vegas at several different places. He did a bunch of corporate events, and that's where my dad had worked with him a couple of times at corporate events. So pretty crazy. Tyler redick here from 2311 racing another checkered flag for the books. Time to celebrate with Chumba. Jump in@chumbacasino.com let's Chumba. No purchase necessary. BTW. Group void where prohibited by law. CTNCs21+ sponsored by Chumba Casino. Epstein invited Slayton to his mansion in Palm beach for coffee and to talk about comedy. But when Slayton arrived, Epstein wouldn't let him inside. I gotta tell you, I don't think I'd let Bobby Slayton in my house either, to be honest with you. This guy, all he does is talk shit, talk trash, and bash people in the audience at his shows even. He showed me the pool in the garage, his cars, but didn't let me in. Slayton said he was never invited to the private island, but he once brought it up in conversation with Epstein, who responded that he didn't invite many people out there. When Slayton proposed, he and his wife come out to the island sometime. Epstein responded, no, no wives. Yeah, well, that's funny. Weird that no wives are allowed out there, huh? Maybe Bobby Slayton, just a lowly comic, his wife isn't allowed out there with him. But if you're Alan Dershowitz, obviously your wife was with you. According to him, anyway. According to Jess Daley, his wife was with him. According to all of these people that have been on the island, their wives were with them. Why wasn't Bobby Slayton's wife allowed to go with them? Oh, I know. Because he's just a lowly comic. Not important enough to get caught up in Jeffrey Epstein's blackmail ring. Oh, funny enough to, you know, if we throw you a few coins for you to dance for us. Clown. But certainly not part of the club. Jeffrey was a giant comedy fan. Huge. All he talked to me about was comedy. Slayton said he was like a little kid talking about it. He loved guys with an edge. He loved Lewis Black, Sam Kinison, Bill Hicks. He liked guys with an edge. Epstein's fondness for edginess went well beyond comedy. Julie told Me, Epstein liked anything controversial or politically incorrect and anything to do with the brain. If it was something that no one else would say, something controversial, even about anything racial or whatever, he was happy to say it. Well, we know that he was a rather racist guy from what Maria and others have said, how they spoke about minorities and people of color. So we know that he was definitely a racist guy. And he probably tried to hide it by saying, oh, well, I'm just. I'm just not PC. There's a difference between not being PC and. And being an outright racist. Okay? A very big difference. She liked that about him, but there were times it became a problem in their relationship. I grew up really sheltered, she said, and I was never promiscuous or anything. Once at a dinner with Epstein and a male friend. Excuse me. Once at a dinner with Epstein and a male friend of his, the conversation turned and became incredibly crude. The men were talking about women, and Julie was so upset that she got up from the table and walked out of the restaurant holding back tears and flagged a cab to leave. Epstein followed her and climbed into the cab with her. Julie was crying. I felt like Jeffrey was amused by me being naive. It was amusing to him. So Jeffrey Epstein followed her into the cab after making crude comments with a friend in a restaurant. I mean, I don't know, but you would think that Jeffrey Epstein was making crude comments all the time. Julie said a friend of hers dumped Epstein for being racist after a racist remark by him sparked an argument between the two. Again, more corroboration of the things that Maria was telling us. How many times are we going to hear from other people little tidbits like this and put it all together and build the puzzle? It's so clear for you to see, folks. If you have been following the podcast for all 718 articles on this crazy ass journey, then you definitely see what's going on here. If you're new to the podcast, buckle in, folks. We still got a long journey to undertake. When a model in their social circle began to do nonprofit work in Africa, Epstein and several of his intellectual friends told her, as she phrased it, that Africa is a waste. There's nothing that you can do that's ever going to help. It's a waste of money. Well, you know, Bill Clinton sure loved to go to Africa and act like he cared. All of these people act like they care about Africa, but they don't. It's just a talking point for a lot of these people and a way for their charities to bring in some More dough. In his conversation with Slayton, Epstein was cagey, stopping short of offering his own opinion on things like MeToo. He didn't really get into any of his own opinions. He just asked a lot of questions. He asked the kinds of questions that a young comic would ask in comedy class. Was he funny? No. The sportscaster, he said, okay, you can go now. He asked a lot of questions. He didn't talk much. He was bland, said Susie Schuster, an Emmy winning sportscaster currently at the NFL Network. Schuster was fresh out of college when she ran into Epstein and Maxwell at a social event in New York. I just thought Ghislaine was so glamorous. Schuster, glamorous. Shuster working for Andrew Neal, then one of Rupert Murdoch, Murdoch's top lieutenants at what would become Fox News. And according to Shuster, the there was a great deal of overlap between Epstein and Neil's social circles. Oh, 100%. Anyone who doesn't think that Rupert Murdoch and his social circle was overlapping with Jeffrey Epstein's doesn't know anything about New York high society. These people, look, it's not that big of a club, all right? People like us and like Carlin said, we're not invited, obviously, but it's not a very big club at all. So all of these people who have big do Ramies who run around New York City are all friendly with each other. They're all palling around and they're all having laughs at our expense. A few days after meeting Epstein, Ghislaine called Shuster and told her that Jeffrey would like to have lunch with her at his townhouse in New York. I thought to myself, like a total jackass, I am so interesting and so smart. I he must want to go on a date with me, she said. I was 22. What did I know? Shuster was greeted at the door by the butler while Epstein descended the large staircase by the entrance, dressed in a sweatshirt and jeans. Well, at least he didn't have his sweatpants on, huh? The cool sweatpants that good old Jeff liked to wear around all over the place. Friggin moron. Epstein gave Shuster a full tour of the house, including the master bedroom and massage room, the same room where dozens of alleged assaults took place and he and his staff served them lunch in the large parlor downstairs. Shuster was just about to begin coverage of the 1996 election. But Epstein didn't offer his own views about the election during the conversation, or about anything, really. He had a really disarming way of making himself appear brighter than he was Shuster said, but you knew you weren't sitting with the brightest person in the room. Yeah, that's. That definitely rings true. From all the accounts we have heard, we know that this guy wasn't super smart. He wasn't running around with the brain like one of these MIT clowns that he was hanging out with. He was faking the funk, right? He was the odd man out, the guy that was allowed to hang out because he brought all the weed, right? There's always that guy, right? Uh, nobody really wants to hang out with him, but the dude got all that bomb ass chronic, so we're gonna let him come kick it tonight. And that's what. That's. These scientists with Epstein, they're like, oh, he has all the girls and all this money. All right, someone call Jeffrey. Let this dude hang out. After an hour and a half, Epstein abruptly ended the conversation. I remember clear as day. Shuster said. He said, okay, you can go now. And he just went down into his garage and in his car, and I just walked out. Uh, okay, well, I don't really know what that adds to the story, but all right. The art student. I remember being so scared that I wouldn't get out. He was supposed to invest in my screenplay, said a woman. We'll call Tracy. When working my way through the book, I try to steer clear of any known survivors. But given the large swath of survivors Epstein had accumulated, it was bound to happen that I would eventually find someone who had been assaulted by Epstein. My phone call with Tracy, by far, was the most difficult of the entire experience. Yep. Well, I can only imagine, right? Because I've been there myself, so I get it. What if you were the city's best mechanic, but no one could find your business online with Cox Business Internet. Tracy told me her friend had been commissioned by Epstein to paint, and she tried to get Tracy to go on a date with Epstein. Tracy had a boyfriend at the time, and she declined. But when her friend told her that Epstein was a philanthropist who funds artists and would fund a screenplay she was working on, Tracy agreed to meet with him in his New York townhouse. I was there on a business meeting. I was dressed for business. I had a boyfriend. The butler answered the door, and down the stairs came Epstein, wearing a white T shirt and ripped up jeans. Tracy was taken aback by the size of the staff at the house. People came in with food, she recalled. People were asking me if I wanted a massage. I told them no. She remembered climbing a marble staircase and walking into a huge grand room. Epstein acted Like a gentleman for two hours, Tracy said. We talked about Dolly the sheep cloned in 1996 to great fanfare and the whole cloning thing. And he told me he had a place down in Mexico that he was already working on cloning humans. And very interesting there, folks. 1996, Zorro Ranch, already working on cloning humans. Santa Fe Institute and Los Alamos. Zorro dead smack in the middle of both of them again. When is the story, the real story of New Mexico going to be revealed? We had an interesting talk for about two hours and at the end of the meeting he groped me. I started crying and wanted to get out and remember being so scared that I wouldn't get out because there were so many people working there. I really thought I might not get out of there. Epstein tried to hand Tracy a check, ostensibly for the screenplay Tracy had gone there to discuss, but she turned and fled out the door. She called her boyfriend immediately after the incident and has never told more than a couple of close friends about it since. I don't understand who these boyfriends are because I know my reaction wouldn't be not to say anything. I'd be showing up over at old boy's house. I'd be waiting for dude to come out of his house and me and him would have a real long talk about how you conduct yourself during a business meeting. Especially with my girlfriend. Tyler redick here from 2311 Racing. Game night's fun until someone spends five minutes lining up one shot. Chalk. Breathe. Rechock. Still aiming. While they figure it out, I fire up Chumba Casino. I can spin anywhere, anytime. And there's always a new social casino game every week. Spins happen way faster than that shot. Play now@chumbacasino.com let's Chumba. Sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary. VGW Group voidware prohibited by law 21/ terms and conditions apply. It is just so bizarre to me that there was no, no, none of these guys, so called guys or, or people around these girls like, like Tracy here who stepped up and went and confronted Epstein. Oh boy. Would have got the business. I can't even. I don't have one friend, honestly, one person that I'm close to that I consider a friend that wouldn't have pieced Epstein up over this. That big mouth of Jeffrey Epstein's most assuredly would be turning into a black eye. She thought about speaking about when the first round of allegations became public, but she decided not to out of fear for her safety. I was always afraid because I knew he was really powerful. And you're going to think it's totally crazy, but I bet you he cloned himself and whoever killed themselves was a clone. I try not to think about it. I wouldn't put it past that. He's out there somewhere. He said he had a lab in Mexico because the dolly thing got shut down. Hey, look, I've. You know, who the hell knows at this point, I don't. There's really nothing that I just out of hand, just ignore. When it comes to Epstein, we know that he was dealing with some serious people down there in New Mexico. When it comes to scientists, is his DNA on ice? Are they going to clone him like the emperor? Who the hell knows? After the incident, Tracy was inundated by phone calls from a woman asking her to go to dinner with Epstein. Tracy confronted her friend who had recommended the meeting and learned that the painting her friend had been commissioned for were paintings of vaginas. Oh, that's nice. You don't warn your friend, huh? You don't warn your friend that this dude wants you to commissioned you to paint a bunch of vaginas. Okay. Cause that's normal behavior. She didn't warn me. She didn't seem surprised. I was kind of mad at her, said Tracy. When I told her what happened, she said, he just likes to watch people shower. He won't touch you. I said, are you crazy? Tracy told me that she reported the incident to the New York Attorney General's office After Epstein's arrest in 2019, still worried about her name getting out and inviting retribution, she submitted the tip through the office's website. That's interesting, because I wonder how many girls, survivors and victims of Epstein have done the same thing, tried to come forward anonymously and have been ignored. The yogi. I saw the whole thing start to form. Calling people up and asking them about Jeffrey Epstein resulted in a lot of panicked hang ups, which I was expecting. Which I was expecting. One day I called up the number number listed in the book for a financial for a financier named David Mitchell, who identified himself on the phone to me as David Mitchell after I asked for David Mitchell. But when I mentioned Epstein, suddenly he insisted I had the wrong number. The next day I read that Epstein's bond was co secured by his brother Mark Epstein and a friend identified as David Mitchell. Joe Pagano told me I never met him and I don't know what you're talking about. Despite profiles identifying him as a close friend of Epstein. Yep. Unfortunately, this is the case. Anytime I've contacted People in regards to their relationship with Epstein. I've been stonewalled, pretty much ignored. Nobody called back. I'm talking even like, you know, Das, prosecutors, people like that, even. It seems like everybody is on the run from the Epstein fallout and nobody is willing to step up and do the right thing on their own. So that's why I always talk about them being compelled to do so. Others seem willing to talk, if haltingly, only to turn on their heels later on. One particularly ominous interaction was with Epstein's personal yoga instructor, who met him in 92 and traveled with him in Ghislaine as a personal yoga teacher. For the 15 minute phone call, he somberly beat around the bush, speaking in long, thoughtful pauses and letting his sentences trail off. I met him on his 39th birthday. The last time I saw him was shortly after Clinton left the White house. It was 2001, maybe 2002. I was with him in Palm Beach, Columbus, Ohio, and New York, Santa Fe. I did a lot. It's a long story. It's a complicated story. He told me. It's a long story. Yeah, it's a long story. And we've been waiting for people to talk about it for decades. So if it's such a long story, you should probably break it all down for us now that you're on the phone here and let us know what occurred, huh? Probably a good idea. I spent a lot of time with Ghislaine. She gave me a lot of insights. My last contact with her was she used to come out here with Prince Andrew. What was Ghislaine like? Oh, God, that's a whole different story. I said he could tell me the full story sometimes and that if he wanted, I would keep his identity under wraps. He said no. A lot of people would figure out in a nanosecond who it was. It was a small little group. I don't imagine many of them are going to talk. Look, I've worked with Rupert Murdoch on the far right and Zach Dellarocha on the far left. I try to keep my mouth shut. My contacts were very broad. Oh, well, I'm sure they were, but that's all fine and well, but if you have some information that can help the investigation, it's time for you to come forward, Mr. Yogi. All right, Mr. Stretchy, Mr. Downward Dog Stretcher Guy. Time for you to come forward. And then afterwards, we'll make sure you're paid in a nice tofu reward or something. I mean, really, if you have information, come forward and speak on it. Because if you're compelled to do so and they have to issue a subpoena to get you to talk. You know how much worse that's going to look for you? He went on slowly in a kind of far away melancholy. I saw sides of both of them, Epstein and Maxwell, that most people didn't see. I saw the whole thing start to form. By the time I called him for a few days later, he had a change of heart. He began shouting at me over the phone about how he planned on suing me that I was not to print anything we spoke about. Well, okay, so Obviously this Yogi, Mr. Yogi Yogington, needs to be swooped up and compelled to speak with a subpoena if he's talking about suing people. Please give me a break. As if any of these people want want a case to get to discover. Julie repeatedly told me she never witnessed any kind of darkness, but that looking back, she regrets not picking up on what she now sees as red flags. I wish when he told me he was doing naughty things in Florida, I took it seriously. Tyler redick here from 2311 racing another checkered flag for the books. Time to celebrate with Chumba. Jump in@chumbacasino.com let's Chumba. No purchase necessary VTW Group void where prohibited by law CTNCs 21/plus sponsored by Chumba Casino. Yeah, probably would have been a good idea, Julie, if you would have taken it seriously. Epstein's affection for young women was no secret, as Donald Trump put it in New York magazine in 2002. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do and many of them are on the younger side. Epstein was very aware of his reputation and reveled in the attention it got him. I remember he was dating Shelly Lewis, AKA Chocolate Souse. She looked like a little completely undeveloped girl. Julie said she was definitely legal age, but she looked really prepubescent physically. He was walking around a popular mall with her and finding it funny that people thought he was her father. If Epstein was at all embarrassed about the nickname given to his Boeing 727, the Lolita Express, he didn't show it. He had the book Lolita around. You know, he had multiple homes and there'd be a Lolita on the table somewhere. He had more than one copy. Julie said he always thought it was funny. Yeah, real funny. Real funny. And all of the people around him, all the seeing the book and you don't put two and two together, it's because you didn't want to Put two and two together. If you didn't, it's because you didn't care or you were benefiting in some way from Jeffrey Epstein. All of these people that talk about, oh, I didn't know anything. I had no idea. Give me an absolute break. Okay? What seems now like obvious signs of trouble had tidy, unquestioned explanations at the time. The young masseuses at Epstein's side, for instance, I knew that Jeffrey needed a lot of massages, so it didn't seem odd, Julie said. I asked Mott why Epstein needed a lot of massages, expecting some answer about a physical ailment. But instead, Julie told me that Epstein had said that his ADD Tendencies necessitated frequent massage for him to clear his head. Oh, yeah, Massages, huh? Quote, unquote. Massages. Air quotes. We know what he meant by massages. Three girls a day. Do the math. Much of Epstein's personality that was chalked up to being eccentric by Julie at the time now seems incredibly effed up in retrospect. I used to call him on his birthday, Julie said, and he was always really short on the phone, but sometimes he would sort of snicker and laugh and say, oh, I've been so bad. I didn't know what it meant at the time. And he used to be full of crap sometimes and say things to try and make himself look interesting. But now I do. Yeah, look, Jeffrey Epstein was a sick man, and he was brazen about it. He threw it right in everybody's face. The decor, the different items around his house, etc. Etc. Epstein called Julie after his sentencing in 2007. He said, I'm going to jail, and didn't explain why. And afterwards, I started to pay attention to the case. And when he got out, I just thought, this guy hasn't learned anything. She cut ties with him after his sentencing. Well, that's at least one thing Julie did that I agree with here. If you didn't cut ties with Epstein after the sentencing, nobody has any defensible ground to defend here, right? If you were still hanging out with this guy after the sentencing, then you have no excuse and you have no one to blame but yourself for any negative publicity that comes your way. Julie recalled that Epstein had a habit of telling inappropriate stories about the daughter of one of his girlfriends, a woman Julie knew as well. Okay, so we know that that's Eva Anderson Dubin, right? Right away. Eva Anderson Dubin for sure. And the daughter, the young daughter, something with a C. Celia, Cecily, something like that. Either way, Epstein had a trust in this girl's name even. And he also said he wanted to marry her. This little girl, the daughter of Anderson Dubin and Glenn Dubin. Some of them would be like, you know, sometimes little kids say sexual stuff and it's just innocent. But he'd repeat those stories because he thought they were really funny. And I thought he was a little too interested in that. I remember thinking they weren't that funny. Why would an adult tell this story? Said Julie. I just remember being slightly uncomfortable. Not like I thought he was going to be a predator, but just that it was a little inappropriate. Yeah, no, you're a predator. If you're, if you're regaling about little girls and teenage, little 14 year old girls or whatever it may be, you're probably a predator. Okay. Those aren't funny jokes. Jokes about pedophilia. Who's making them kind of jokes. She shared with me an idea of hers that she seemed uncomfortable even to speak out loud. That Epstein's sickness had its roots in his relationship with this particular girlfriend, Eva Anderson Dubin. In my opinion, he loved her, but she was never going to marry him and it wasn't going to work. Julie said he loved her more than anyone. She was like family. And then she has this beautiful daughter. The girl in Julie's estimation was like a miniature version of her mother. I think that might have been what got his interest in young girls. Well, I don't think that's the case. I think it was long before that. We've heard about Montreal and we've heard about his going ons there. Right. But there is no doubt that he had some sort of sick fascination with Glenn Dubin's daughter. Zero doubt in my mind and to be honest with you, I have no idea how anyone under this sun could let Jeffrey Epstein be around their kid. Julie was only speculating. What she didn't know is that in the back of my copy of the Black book there are a couple pages handwritten, ostensibly by Rodriguez, the butler. Reading it, I get a sense that Rodriguez was compiling an addendum to the book in order to aid law enforcement. On one page titled Important Email Address, Rodriguez lists the personal emails for Epstein and Maxwell as well as several listings with tags next to them like Witness interacted and chat daily with underage girls. Important witness and scout for young Pamelas, whatever that means. I'll tell you what it means. Young girls. Another code word. Another code word, another name and number is tagged as in House Citrus Systems Programmer. Right next to another listing for Ehud Barak, Secret Service personnel, Months After Julie told me about the girlfriend and her daughter, I reread the handwritten page attached to the book and saw the girlfriend's name and phone number near the bottom, with a tag next to her entry reading former model and mother of naked pic. Aye yai yai. Look, the relationship with the Dubins and Epstein needs to be focused on. It needs to be blown out of the water. We know about the little girl, the Swedish girl, and we know about Jeffrey Epstein's sick fascination with their daughter. And there, there's a lot more there, folks. A lot more real disgusting stuff, in my opinion. On one of our last phone calls, Julie broke down. It was late at night, and Julie, who tried to steer away from news about the Epstein case, had just watched the Netflix documentary Jeffrey Epstein Filthy Rich. The documentary features several in depth interviews with some of Epstein's survivors, and they each walk through the details of their assault at his hands. The atrocities that Epstein committed and the scope of suffering he exacted on his victims had become real and undeniable. She wept as she recalled diary entries she'd read earlier in the day. He was a monster. And he. And he was a monster. What he did was so sick, you know, and then I read my diary and I saw how nice he was when I was going through a major family crisis or a breakup or something. And it hurts to still miss that part of him. Julie said he was my friend. Um, uh. What? I don't. Honestly, I don't understand how you could feel any compassion or empathy for Jeffrey Epstein. He wasn't even your friend. He was just wearing a mask. You didn't even know who Jeffrey Epstein was. He had a mask on for the world to see. And underneath that mask was his true face. And the survivors, they got to see that true face. The assistant's old hippie mother. He thought she was a really intelligent blonde. Transcript of a phone call with a self described old hippie whose teenage daughter began working for Epstein in his Palm beach mansion around 2002, just a few years before Epstein's first date arrest. How much time did she spend with Epstein at his place? Old hippie Quite a bit. So this all must have been difficult for her then. Old hippie Nah, it's not difficult at all. Why would it be difficult? Tell me why you think it would be difficult. Well, just the proximity alone to something that happened that was so horrific. Old hippie well, you know what I think? Laughing if people take payment and he paid people, well, then later they shouldn't complain. I mean, that's you know, one thing my daughter said one time, too. Okay. And did your daughter get paid well, too? Yeah, sure. Okay. How did she end up getting that job? Old hippie. Well, she's a gorgeous blonde. Nervous, uncomfortable. Laughter. Yeah, well, a couple of Epstein's friends told me that if he ever needed someone for a task or whatever, they would find him a beautiful young blonde to do it. Old. Well, she's beautiful. She's six feet tall. She's gorgeous. My daughter is a very strong person. You said she got calls from some reporters and got sick of it. Old. Nah, she only got a few calls, and she had nothing to say. There's nothing negative to say. Do you think she'd be interested in talking to me? Old. I don't think so. I probably already told you more than she would here. I let her know I'd be interested in hearing her daughter's story. Old hippie. Well, I remember one other thing. When he was going to Africa with Bill Clinton. You remember that? Me? Yeah. Old hippie. Well, Jeffrey wanted her to go. Me. Oh, really? Old hippie. She said no. Me. What'd she say no for? Old hippie. She didn't want to get any shots. Me. Oh, wow. Really dodged a bullet there. Old hippie. It wasn't important to her, but he really wanted her to go because he thought she was really intelligent. Blond. Let me ask you something. Do you think he killed himself? Oh, man. The old hippie and the blonde, huh? There. Look, there's a lot out there for you sleuths, right? For you, you investigators out there. Plenty of ties to tie together here, folks. The man from Orgy. 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Epstein's black book does not offer a portrait of a guy with many friends. Yeah, he doesn't have. He didn't have friends. I've said this from the beginning. You have to have empathy and you have to not be an absolute scumbag. And to be capable of love, to have real friendships, right? I love my friends. I would do anything for my real friends. I don't think Jeffrey Epstein had it in him. The book is a product of assist a systemic effort to collect human beings. A huge number of the relatively normal professional class people I spoke to were shocked their number was in the book at all. All. Either they said they had never met him or that they had a single superficial interaction with him. It's as if Epstein had tried to reverse the usual dynamics of fame and power. He seemed to know more people than knew him. If Epstein had a talent, it was for knowing how much of his interest he needed to parcel out in order for people, scientists, stand up comics, aspiring models to feel flattered by by his attention. Well, I think in some cases that might be true, right? But really a lot of these people, it was about the money and the prestige, not about flattery. There were plenty of clues that Epstein was a poser. Ask around the finance world and you'll be hard pressed to find anybody who actually traded with the supposed billionaire investment broker. Ask the scientists in his orbit and they'll tell you, as Stuart Pavar told me, that he didn't know shit from Shinola about science. Steven Pinker, trying to distance himself from Epstein, told New York, despite what various friends and colleagues all said, what a genius he was. I found him tedious and distasteful. A kibitzer more than a serious intellectual. Yeah, you sure took his money though, didn't you Pinker? You sure hung out with him, didn't you though, Pinker? And then you went and deleted anyone. I blocked anyone on Twitter who mentioned your name along with Jeffrey Epstein Epstein, didn't you, Pinker? Ask the art people in his life and they'll tell you about the fakes and forgeries. He was amused to put one over on the world by having fake art. Pavar told me he thought that he was seeing through the fallacy. And yet Epstein's reputation for genius persists. Most of what I heard Epstein's peers adduce to his brilliance amounted to no more than half baked contrarianism. He wasn't afraid to stir things up or boiler Plate. TED Talk Drivel. Jeffrey was a big fan of transhumanism. When I pressed people to tell me about the guy, about what he thought about the world, they rarely had an answer. Yeah, he was living a different life. Okay? What they saw and what Jeffrey Epstein really was were two very different things. Jeffrey Epstein was your quintessential asset. 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Keep your mouth shut and nobody will tell you you're stupid. Opening it up and. Well, quite easy to find out. Every time I did manage to drill down into something concrete, some actual idea or thought of his, it was a mixture of psychotic Silicon Valley drivel and freshman year Bongwater philosophy delivered to me with total reverence. You have to write this in your story. This is something I learned from Jeffrey. This was his line. Julie told me, people make mistakes because they don't think about what they can lose, only what they can gain. This is what I took from him. Yeah, Jeffrey Epstein really was just a world class advice giver, huh? The kind of guy that you really want to sit down with and get some life advice. I mean, just bring in chocolate sauce for the. For the win here. We'll have chocolate sauce come in. We'll have Jeffrey Epstein give us life advice, and everybody will just have just a fantastic time. After Epstein's arrest in 2019, a media narrative coalesced around the question of his strange place in the global elite. Epstein, the master salesman, a man who had skillfully conned his way into the world's most powerful circles, fooling everyone in the process. But after my travels through the book, after hearing more of the petty gossip and childish drama of the people who rule our world, I Realized that was obviously incorrect. Built into the premise of Epstein the mastermind scammer is the notion that some kind of legitimate path to a legitimate global aristocracy exists. To call Epstein a grifter is to assume he circumvented some genuine metacratic world order where the real virtuosos dutifully climb the real ranks into the oligarchs powered by nothing but their native talents. Yeah, that's not the case at all. These people, it's. It's a world of nepotism, a world of trade offs and a world of selling one's soul and selling who you are. These people end up in these. These positions of power, elected or otherwise, and they are completely and utterly turned into something that is not even recognizable as a human. The truth is that the elite world that Epstein ascended into, the one I tapped into by way of the Black Book, is populated with hordes of loathsome, boring, untalented people living their bumbling, idiotic lives while just so happening to wield some share of the preposterous global bounty that he and the rest were after. That is a perfect paragraph for these people. So called polite society being put on blast by the author. I like it. Because guess what? These people are sick. They are very sick folks. And they are. They think they're better than us, but they are not. And the time for them having us under their thumb is slowly coming to an end. Tyler redick here from 2311 Racing, Victory Lane. Yeah, it's even better. With Chumba by my side. Race to chumbacasino.com let's Chumba. No purchase necessary VTW Group void where prohibited by law CTNCs21+ Sponsored by Chumba Casino. For all the mystery surrounding Epstein's fortune, its existence is hardly more inscrutable than the wealth of any of his other billionaire peers. He earned it the same way they all did. Which is to say, precisely not at all. Yeah, look, the. The. The money laundering factor swings right into this, right? It goes right into the undercurrent of the major conversation we're having. And the FinCEN files play right into this. If it wasn't for the way they manipulate those money markets, do you really think that these people would be able to operate the way they were able to operate? This wasn't some masterful hack into global aristocracy. It's what everyone does. It's what the whole thing is. There is no scam here. It's grifters, grifting grifters all the way down. And that is the case there's no doubt. But there's real life consequences for those of us at the bottom here. While these people are grifting and grifting and grifting from the other grifters, we're the ones that are really paying the price with our fortune, our freedoms, and our futures. In a way, it's easy to understand the impulse of Epstein's network to make him into something more than he was. The self flattering idea that there was some ineffable substance to him, some bright light within that explains the ease with which he accrued social and temporal power has a match in much of the conspiracizing about the scandal and his death. The difference is the conspiracy theories actually seem plausible. I'm the farthest thing from a conspiracy theorist. I'm always. I rely on Occam's razor for most things in my life. But when it comes to this case, folks, I think we've left conspiracy theory a long time ago. And we are embroiled in the world's largest cover up. But maybe this is simply a product of my own Epstein addled brain. It's impossible to tell. I've now spent more than a year falling down a series of rabbit holes. Plus far thus far withstanding permanent psychic damage. Look, I understand that completely. This is such a heavy topic and this is a detailed article. So I know that this journalist is not talking out of his ass. This is somebody who spent time on the case. Somebody who has made these phone calls and really dedicated a part of themselves to it. And I totally understand that. We're over a year straight here talking about this case every single day. How many times do I tell you I feel like I have to take a bleach bath? So I totally understand what this guy's talking about. I can report that the current grand unified theory of Jeffrey Epstein goes like this. He was indeed operating a child sex ring. Check. He was videotaping members of the global elite engaged in sex acts with underage girls on his private island. Check. And he was using his footage to blackmail them. Either for his own personal enrichment or on behalf of any number of intelligence agencies. Check. Check. Check. The Epstein as intelligence angle posits either that he was conducting the sex trafficking at the government's request, or that he was already doing the trafficking when the governments took notice and started using him as an asset. I think it's a little bit of both. Okay. I think it's a little bit of both. They knew that he had proclivities and he was on their Radar. But he wasn't engaged in a huge monstrous operation like this then. Well, once the, Once the, the, the intelligence really got involved and the jerk off from the CIA showed up, well, it became what we seen. The theory neatly justifies both his untraceable wealth and outlandish special treatment in the criminal justice system. And there is some compelling evidence to go along with it. When prosecutors raided his home in 2019, a safe was found containing multiple CDs with the label Young name name. Also found was a fake Austrian passport containing his photograph and a spoof name that listed his residence as Saudi Arabia. This Safe also contained 48 loose diamonds and $70,000 in cash. In August 2019, citing a friend of Ghislaine Maxwell, Vanity Fair reported that Epstein and Maxwell had the island home completely wired for video and that they were videotaping their guests as a form of blackmail. We've heard this from a lot of the survivors, right? And not only the survivors. We've heard it from it. Specialists like Steve Scully, both Virginia Roberts and another Epstein accuser, Shantae Davies, make similar allegations. When I mentioned the video surveillance to Julie, she said, oh yeah, there's a security room with a bunch of TVs. Jeffrey introduced me to the guy who watched them. The guy who watched them, huh? That would be an interesting conversation. I wonder who was in charge of monitoring those TVs. But the most damning evidence of Epstein's conspiracy is the absurd plea deal offered by U.S. attorney Alexander Acosta in 2007 after investigators had identified dozens of underage girls who'd been sexually abused by Epstein. Acosta granted federal immunity to any potential co conspirators of Epstein's. An absolutely unheard of provision, particularly in the case of an alleged serial child molester. And let's, let's take a minute here to remember that it was not just Acosta. Okay, Acosta is the guy who is catching all of the flack here. But in reality, do you think a decision was like, like this was just made by Acosta? Of course it wasn't. It was signed off on by Mukase and other people. So while Acosta should have never been part of the Trump administration, should have been fired, I'm okay with all of that. We can't just lay all the blame at his feet. He has bosses too, and we know how this works. Also within the plea deal was another unheard of provision stating this agreement will not be made part of any public record. A cover up that was found to be illegal until an appeals court reversed it on a technicality. A technicality, right. Do you remember? Why do you think I'm always so going so crazy about technicalities? That's the only way these people get off. It's not because they're innocent, ever. It's not because they bring evidence to prove their innocence. It's because they use technicalities. That's how they get off. Calling this a sweetheart deal doesn't even come close to capturing it. The feds never introduced a 53 page indictment they had prepared. And even though nearly 30 victims were interviewed, Epstein also only ended up being charged only with the procurement of an underage girl for prostitution. An underage girl cannot be a prostitute. That law is so ridiculous. The feds dropped their case, and Epstein ended up serving 13 months in a private wing of a Palm beach county jail where he was chauffeured to and from a luxury office space for 12 hours a day and allowed to receive female visitors. The worst part. The worst part is that this cover up essentially worked for over a decade. That is the most galling part of it, right? The most enraging part of all of this is how long it occurred. Alfredo Rodriguez, the butler who attempted to sell the Black Book, served more jail time than Epstein ever did for serial, serially molesting underage girls. I said that last night. It's absurd. It is absolutely absurd. New York brought new charges against Epstein, arresting him in an Airport in July 2019 in an effort to find out more about the infamous plea deal. I spoke to several members of Epstein's 2007 defense team, including Alan Dershowitz, who told me the plea was put in place to protect the women, which is very clearly horrendous bullshit that makes no sense whatsoever. Look, I could have told you there, buddy, if you. If you think you're gonna get anything from Alan Dershowitz that's more than just garbage, you're. You're really asking for too much. The guy was and is an obvious scuzzball. Spencer Kuvan, who represented some of Epstein's survivors, flat out accused the DOJ of attempting to protect people like Elaine Maxwell with the co conspirator provision. My efforts and those of many other reporters have to this day failed to uncover a single shred of even a passable answer as to why Epstein was offered a plea deal that was so good, it was illegal. That's. That's it in a nutshell. All you out there that like to, you know, run. Run mouths and shit on, like, Twitter about how there's no evidence or where where do you get that from? I honestly don't understand. There is so much evidence here that this was so much larger than what anyone ever thought. The fingerprints of intelligence are everywhere on this. Hey, it's Bubba Wallace from 2311 Racing. You know what feels like forever sitting on a plane waiting for takeoff. Good thing I've got Chumba Casino. With Daily Boost and social casino games on tap, this is the kind of fun that makes time fly. Why not turbocharge your downtime play now@chumbacasino.com let's Jumba. Sponsored by Chumba Casino. No purchase necessary. VGW Group voidware prohibited by law. 21/ terms and conditions apply. In 2019, journalist Vicky Ward reported that Acosta, then in charge of Trump's Labor Department, had told the president's transition team that he cut the deal with Epstein's lawyers after he had been told to back off. According to Ward, he had explained himself to Trump's team by saying, I was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone. The rumors of Epstein the spook are not new. In 1992, in the first ever public profile of Epstein, Mellonsunday reported that little is known of Mr. Epstein. One outrageous story links him to the CIA and Mossad. The most intriguing rumor is that he was a corporate spy hired by big businesses to uncover money that had been embezzled. They have them all over the place. You don't think that there are CIA agents embedded in corporations? You don't think that there are CIA agents at all of your favorite news outlets? There are. Just take a look for how many former CIA agents ran for office in 2016, folks. They are everywhere. Unelected bureaucrats that literally have the power of life and death over us. When I asked Gloria Allred, who is now representing several of Epstein's survivors, about the inscrutable plea deal, she told me there is no good answer. It doesn't exist, and that's why you can't find it. Sometimes not finding the answer is the answer. The dark carnival that is. Epstein's case ended with a mysterious death while awaiting trial in the Metropolitan Correctional Facility in August of last year. According to New York City medical examiner, Epstein hanged himself with his bed sheet either on the night of August 9th or early in the morning of August 10th, which, if true, would make his death the first acknowledged suicide in 14 years at the institution. How many times have I brought that up as well? Sometimes things are what they are. The cause of his death and the circumstances around it are widely contested. Around half of Americans Believe he was murdered. You can count me in with that half. And you can count in just about everybody listening to this program as well. It just doesn't add up. The facts that they brought to the table do not add up, folks. A medical examiner hired by Epstein's brother ruled the death a homicide by strangulation, citing Epstein's broken hyoid bone, a small U shaped bone just above the Adam's apple that rarely fractures in instances other than violent strangulation. The wounds on Epstein's neck, which drew blood, were not under the mandibles, as is usual with hanging victims, but instead around the middle of the neck, which is consistent with strangulation. And there was no real investigation into this. They didn't take pictures of the body at the. At the scene of the crime. They didn't take pictures of the scene of the crime. The video went missing. They put him in there with Tartaglioni as his cellmate. None of it makes sense. The wound was also thin and wire like, much thinner than a bed sheet. And photos of Epstein's cell show the bedsheet itself was not bloody. While this is certainly a curious set of circumstances, none is a smoking gun in and of itself. But there are more, even stranger details around what Attorney General William Barr described as a perfect storm of screw ups. Epstein had been placed into a special housing unit after an earlier suicide attempt and was to have a cellmate and wellness check every 30 minutes. Two protocols that were not followed on the night of his death. Well, I don't think he should have had a cellmate. Certainly not Tartaglioni, a guy that was in there for killing people. The two guards were charged with falling asleep at the desk and later falsifying the necessary records. The three cameras with views of his cell simultaneously malfunctioned. Two had died, and one had produced footage that was deemed unusual. I mean, unusable. How in the hell can you explain that that's a coincidence? Everything just died at once, huh? Okay. Yeah, I'm gonna believe that. Almost everyone I spoke to expressed either doubt or total disbelief that his death was a suicide. Only one person, Alan Dershowitz, believed outright that he had killed himself. Yeah, Dershowitz doesn't want this to go on any longer, right? The worst thing for dirty dursh, Mr. I kept my underpants on, is for this case to keep growing and for more information to come out, because we all know that dirty Dursh himself is caught up to his disgusting, wrinkled ears. A woman who didn't know Epstein well, but was Close to members of his inner social circle told me it smells to me. I'm not going to give you any names, but there's definitely people closer to this story that don't think he killed himself. Nobody does. Nobody who's close to this story thinks he killed himself. Nobody. Not Doug Schoen either. It was Epstein's inexplicable death that ushered in a frenzy of conspiracy theories. Everywhere you looked in Epstein's life were nauseating sets of compounding coincidences. And it seemed that every bizarre detail unearthed led to 10 or 20 more, that's for sure. I mean, I can't tell you how many details of this case I would unearth or come into contact with. And then it would lead to just even more questions. Every time we think we have an answer, it really is just leading us to more questions. Building off Epstein's enigmatic reputation and the reports then coming out about his first freakish scientific pursuits, some of the conspiracizing became fevered, grandiose, even occultish. With Epstein depicting as a high ranking official for some secret world order. Well, I don't believe any of that nonsense at all. I think that he was what he was. He was an important asset, right? But a mid level employee in the grand scheme of things. When it comes to intelligence, this urge to make Epstein's power sophisticated and complex serves a similar purpose as the elite's insistence on Epstein's extraordinary genius. Both are ways of squaring the evident smallness of the man himself with the vastness of the world he built and the seemingly outsized influence he possessed. Both of them betray a collective lack of imagination when it comes to just how ludicrously rewarded dumbasses can be in this country. And not only this country, all over the world. Because let's face it, folks, have you looked at social media lately? It is full of just complete and utter jackasses. And these are the people that we're sharing air with on a regular basis. Epstein didn't have to be anything special to become a key player in an evil conspiracy. He had to be rich and he had to be useful to people richer and more powerful than he was. The very real possibility is that Epstein was both a rich dumbass and a key player in an evil conspiracy, because evil conspiracies require nothing more. During one of our last conversations, Julie mentioned in throwaway fashion, a diary entry she had stumbled upon about a book recommendation from Epstein. Summarizing for me, she explained that she'd asked Epstein why he had so many girls around. I asked him why he was like this, she recalled. And he said to me to read some book. He told me it influenced him to become wealthy. The book was the man from orgy, an obscure 1965 James Bond rip off written by Theodore Mark Gottfried under the pen name of Ted Mark. It's about a conman who travels the world under the guise of being a sex researcher in order to spy for the US Government. The novel begins with the protagonist, Steve Victor, in Damascus for the kickoff of an explosion. Extensive survey of an Arab and Oriental sex practice. There he is approached by a US diplomat and invited to the embassy. In short order, Victor is recruited to spy for the US Government. That's. Look, I know it sounds weird, but a lot of times that's how it happens. They're approached and then they're. They become assets. The CIA works like this, folks. It's, it's. It is disgusting that the United States government pays for this sort of. Tyler redick here from 2311 Racing Victory Lane. Yeah, it's even better with Chumba by my side. Race to chumbacasino.com let's Chumba. No purchase necessary VTW Group void where prohibited by law. CTNC's 21+ sponsored by Chumba Casino. This research program you're engaged on, Mr. Victor, gives you entry to places the United States government can. Could never officially investigate. The key to a factor which might prove quite vital in our handling of international power politics lies in one of these places. The novel is an unbearable horror show. It's violent and grotesquely pornographic, containing toddler brothels and graphic details of children and infants being ceremonially raped and trained into sex slavery. Jesus Christ. So this is the kind of book this guy's telling you to read there, huh? And when he recommended this book to you, that wasn't sign enough to get out of there and never be around this dude ever again. I mean, holy shit. The protagonist gets custody of such a slave from the US Embassy. His freight, his fake research organization. Orgy stands for Organizations for the Rational Guidance of Youth. The girl tells him about being penetrated multiple times a day since age 3 as training for a life of sex slavery, as well as the brutal beatings that were part of her training. She tells him that girls enjoy being raped. Victor gawks at and participates in the sexual mayhem, all the while using his cover as a sex researcher to spy on Syrian sheikhs, steal Soviet launch codes, and eventually bring the downfall of Nikita Khrushchev. Jeff, what do I always tell you? The means justify the ends to these people. And if you don't think that there are people like this Victor from this book out there, you're wrong, folks. Jeffrey Epstein was one of them. We saw it right here in front of our own eyes. It played out in front of our own eyes. Julie didn't know what the book was about, but she remembered the conversation. Well, it was one of the last things we talked about. He said to me, read this book and that will help you understand. Julie told me I never read it and I don't think I ever will. Yeah, well, I don't think that I will ever be reading it either, folks. So there you have it. The second part of our two part series of the phone calls with everybody in Jeffrey Epstein's black book. And I think that a lot of these people who were in this black book who had relationships with Jeffrey Epstein are starting to understand that there are no rocks to hide under anymore. That it's time to come forward and talk about what you know. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that@bobby capuchirotonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A P U C c I@protonmail.com youm can also find me on Twitter B O B B Y Capucci all right everybody, I will be back tomorrow morning and we will pick it back up. I hope you all have an incredible Sunday night Farmers Claim forgiveness means a claim won't increase your premium if you've been claim free for 5 years. So your premium stays premium. Tyler redick here from 2311 Racing. Another checkered flag for the books. Time to celebrate with Chumba. Jump in@chumbacasino.com let's Chumba. No purchase necessary BTW Group void where prohibited by law. CTNC21+ sponsored by Chumba Casino.