Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And His Brother Mark (5/7/26)

Summary

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The Epstein Chronicles

Host: Bobby Capucci
Episode: Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And His Brother Mark (5/7/26)
Date: May 8, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode focuses on the lesser-discussed figure in the Epstein saga: Jeffrey Epstein’s brother, Mark Epstein. Bobby Capucci delves deeply into Mark’s business dealings, his connections (or denials thereof) to Jeffrey’s criminal enterprise, Mark’s concerns for his own safety after Jeffrey’s death, and the lingering doubts about the circumstances of Jeffrey Epstein’s demise. The episode also explores the broader web of elite enablers, the shortcomings of federal investigations, and Mark Epstein’s ongoing challenge to the official narrative.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Mark Epstein: Who Is He and What’s His Connection to Jeffrey?

• Background: Mark, younger by about a year and a half, grew up alongside Jeffrey in Brooklyn. He started a silk screening business and semi-retired by age 39, later dabbling in real estate and philanthropy.
• Business Ties:
  • Mark’s real estate business, OSA Properties, is shown (documented by public records) to have financial and logistical connections to Jeffrey’s enterprises.
  • He owns the majority of units at 301 East 66th Street—identified as a location where Epstein trafficked and housed young women. ("That's where a lot of the traffic girls were kept." - Capucci, 03:30)
• Mark’s Denial: Publicly, Mark has denied any knowledge of or business connection to his brother’s criminal activities, but paper trails and testimonies suggest otherwise.
• Inheritance: If any funds remain from Jeffrey’s estate, Mark stands to inherit them.

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Elite Enablers and Systemic Failure

• Litany of Enablers: Capucci criticizes U.S. authorities for failing to investigate or charge other alleged co-conspirators—listing Ghislaine Maxwell as the only major prosecution thus far and noting complete silence on figures like Sarah Kellen Vickers or Andrew Hard. (01:00)
• Political Connections:
  • Trump: Mark confirmed he saw Trump on Epstein’s plane, contradicting claims of distance between the two. Mark described Trump and Jeffrey as “good friends.”
    • "Anyone who's acting like Trump wasn't boys with this dude is crazy." - Capucci, 07:30
  • Clinton: Detailed connections with Bill Clinton, including trips to Africa and 17 visits to the White House.
• Enabling Infrastructure: Powerful figures continued associating with Epstein even after his first conviction, restoring him into elite society. Capucci lambasts this as mass complicity:
  • "You have all these rich, disgustingly rich people out there that can do whatever they want… and they choose to spend it abusing people." (03:50)

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Real Estate, Modeling Agencies, and Trafficking

• 301 East 66th Street:
  • Mark owned, Jeffrey used; apartments allegedly housed underage girls and staff.
  • At least two known co-conspirators, Nadia Marcinkova and Sarah Kellen, operated businesses registered at the address.
• MC2 Modeling Agency:
  • Direct pipeline for trafficking, “bringing girls from war-torn nations, developing countries, and they were being abused.” (13:00)
  • Mark allegedly started dabbling in modeling operations concurrent to Jeffrey’s investment in MC2.
• Ehud Barak: Israeli ex-PM, frequently linked to the 66th St. building, signifying the international breadth of Epstein's web.

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The Question of RICO and Prosecutorial Inertia

• Capucci compares the missed opportunity for a sweeping RICO case against Epstein’s network to Giuliani’s prosecution of the mafia.
  • “They dropped a RICO into my lap… Nobody has decided to do it. That should tell you folks just how dangerous this situation is for people, how volatile it is.” (11:40)
• Implies that the real reason for the DOJ’s timidity is the political and financial connections of everyone involved.
• Notable frustration over lack of willingness from prosecutors to “go make your bones” and ride real justice into bigger careers.

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Surveillance, Blackmail, and Political Leverage

• Surveillance in Epstein’s Homes:
  • Multiple sources—including survivors—described houses wired to record powerful guests with underage girls. The fate of these tapes is unknown.
    • “The question is, whatever happened to all those tapes? Because we haven’t heard anything about those tapes that were seized.” (20:30)
• 2016 Election Secret-Keeping:
  • Mark claimed Jeffrey told him: “If I said what I know about both candidates, they’d have to cancel the election.”
    • (Direct quote, 23:20)
  • Capucci is skeptical but acknowledges Epstein was likely holding serious dirt on high-profile figures.
• Donations and Political Influence:
  • Epstein donated broadly across the political spectrum; was close to politicians in the US Virgin Islands even post-conviction.
  • “All those people had their hands in the pot… and that’s after he was already convicted.” (24:30)

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The Official Story vs. Cover-Up Theories on Epstein’s Death

• Mark Epstein’s Fears for His Own Life:
  • Hired renowned pathologist Michael Baden, who publicly questioned the suicide narrative: “The degrees financier’s younger brother, Mark Epstein, has concerns about his own safety after his brother's hanging death.” (30:10)
  • Mark’s logic: If Jeffrey was murdered to protect secrets, he could easily be next.
• Critique of Ongoing Investigations:
  • Capucci calls the DOJ’s Inspector General “toothless." Only low-level guards were punished; the chain of command and structural issues went unaddressed.
• Autopsy and Crime Scene Issues:
  • Baden and Mark cited three neck fractures and the location of ligature marks as inconsistent with standard suicide by hanging.
  • Mark: "If Jeffrey Epstein really died in that position, the noose would have ridden up the neck… but that’s not what the report says." (46:30)
  • Mark alleges that critical witnesses (EMTs) were never interviewed, and that the crime scene was not treated with appropriate rigor.
• Doubtful DOJ Narrative:
  • Capucci: “The narrative is the conspiracy theory at this point, folks, we've moved on from that... This is an absolute full-blown cover-up.” (34:00)
• Inspector General Report:
  • Mark dismisses it as “blatant BS”: “They say he got either punched or a karate chop into the neck by whoever killed him. That’s a pretty big claim. But remember, Mark Epstein has access to all of the autopsy information.” (50:00)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Mark’s Business Ties:
  • “Last month, Mark told Cranes New York that he had no business connection to his brother. But documents show that Mark’s real estate business… is linked to Jeffrey Epstein and company.” – Capucci (09:50)
• On Political Hypocrisy:
  • “I'm not saying everybody who went to that island was abusing people... but that was all part of it. That was all part of the facade.” (27:00)
• On Law Enforcement Failure:
  • “If you're a hard charging prosecutor and you go after real scumbags, you can propel yourself from that into the stratosphere of politics – and nobody has decided to do it.” (11:40)
• On Pulitzer Prize-Level Neglect:
  • “Where’s the hard-charging gray lady? Where is the Washington Post?” – repeated critique of media inaction on the modeling agency pipeline (13:20)
• On Mark’s Rationale for Fearing for His Life:
  • “If this wasn't suicide, is he next? Do people think that he might know something? Do they think he might have some evidence or some information? Who knows? We're dealing with incredibly evil people, right?” (31:40)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:30 – Discussion of Mark Epstein’s real estate holdings and ties to Jeffrey’s trafficking logistics
• 07:30 – Breakdown of Trump, Epstein, and the hypocrisy in elite social circles
• 11:40 – Frustration over prosecutors and the lack of a RICO case
• 13:00 – How the MC2 modeling agency funneled girls to Epstein; critique of media silence
• 20:30 – Epstein’s alleged blackmail operation and missing surveillance tapes
• 23:20 – Mark’s account of Jeffrey’s claims about the 2016 election
• 30:10 – Mark’s fear for his own safety—hiring Dr. Michael Baden to investigate Jeffrey’s death
• 34:00 – Capucci on the ‘cover-up’ of Epstein’s death
• 46:30 – Mark’s technical objections to the official autopsy findings
• 50:00 – Capucci on Mark’s theory of homicide vs. suicide, and the DOJ’s “blatant BS”

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The Episode’s Tone and Takeaways

Bobby Capucci’s approach is direct, skeptical of officialdom, and unapologetically critical of U.S. law enforcement, the elite class, and mainstream media for their roles in ignoring, enabling, or poorly investigating the Epstein case. He brings together documented facts, public testimony, and unresolved questions to paint a portrait of Mark Epstein as both a relevant (if elusive) figure and a potential missing link in unraveling the full scale of his brother’s operations.

Capucci closes with repeated calls for deeper investigations, frustration with the superficiality of institutional reports, and a reminder that justice for Epstein’s victims remains incomplete.

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Reference articles and more can be found in the episode’s description box.

Transcript

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What's up everyone? And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. One of the people that we don't talk about too often as far as the Jeffrey Epstein case goes is Jeffrey Epstein's brother Mark Epstein. Now there has been some questions about their business ties together and about what ties they had as far as any sort of illegal enterprise. Now, now nothing has been proven one way or the other. And in fact, the feds haven't even really engaged in the sort of financial investigation that they should have, especially considering all of the information that has been available throughout this whole entire thing. Now we have had a lot of lip service, a lot of platitudes from the federal government and from investigators telling us that co conspirators are going to be brought down, that they're still investigating people and that there's going to be movement. Well, here we are. And now all we see so far is Ghislaine Maxwell being prosecuted, but nothing else. No Sarah Kellen Vickers, no talk about going after Andrew Hard, no talk about any of the men who have been accused of abusing Virginia. So what is, what exactly is the federal government doing about these co conspirators? Well, today we're going to talk about Jeffrey Epstein's brother Mark and their business ties. And to do that we have an article from the Intelligencer headline, Jeffrey Epstein's curious ties to his brother's Real estate Business. This article was authored by James D. Walsh. Jeffrey Epstein's apparent suicide over the weekend likely means that his criminal case will not proceed. But in a statement on Saturday, Attorney General William Barr issued a sharp warning. Any co conspirators should not rest easy. There has been plenty of speculation as to whom may be held responsible for helping of or enabling Epstein from his alleged madam. You mean co conspirator and general all around scuzz bag Ghislaine Maxwell to the attorneys who handled his business dealings for decades. While he has not been accused of involvement in the sex offenders crimes, new details about Jeffrey Epstein's younger brother Mark Epstein have raised questions about their business ties and how Close the pair really were. Now, Mark Epstein, let's be very clear here, has not been accused of abusing any women or anything like that. What we're talking about here is his business ties with Jeffrey Epstein. He had the building over on East 66 and we know that's where a lot of the traffic girls were kept. But if there's any money left over from the estate, which there shouldn't be, guess who gets it all. That's right, Mr. Mark Epstein. Jeffrey and Mark grew up together in the seagate community in Brooklyn. Mark, who is a year and a half younger than his brother, went on to start a silk screening business and having. Semi retired at age 39, he dabbled in real estate and philanthropy. Semi retired at age 39. Yo, talk about a dream come true. I'm 42 right now and to think about retiring and doing whatever I want for however long I want for the rest of my life is just an amazing thought. Unfortunately, I do what I have to do 80% of the time and I only get to do what I want to do about 20 of the time. And you have all of these rich, disgustingly rich people out there that can do whatever they want with their time and they choose to spend it abusing people. It is just unbelievable to me that there's people like that out there. But guess what, folks, there's a whole host of them. And the problem certainly didn't start or stop and at Jeffrey Epstein. In 2009, Mark was named chair of the Cooper union board. That ended with his resignation in 2015 after the school's controversial decision to begin charging students tuition for the first time in the college's 150 year history. So, so far so good, right? Nothing that looks so bad guy that wants to be part of the community. Okay, the Epstein's brothers relationship in adulthood is opaque now is that by design? We know that Jeffrey Epstein was working in the shadows. We know that he was an asset. We know that he knows spycraft and we know he knows how to cover his tracks. So was this by design? In filings, the U. S. Attorney for the southern district had said Jeffrey had no known immediate family and and no meaningful family ties. Yet in 2009 deposition Mark said that he knew Donald Trump flew on Jeffrey's plane numerous times and that he'd personally seen Trump on his brother's plane once. They were good friends. Mark recently told the Washington Post. I know Trump is trying to distance himself, but they were. After Jeffrey pleaded not guilty last month to sex trafficking of minors, Mark offered His Florida home to guarantee his brother's bond. Now, look, there is no doubt that Trump and Epstein were breaking bread all the way up until they had their falling out. And people go back and forth about what that falling out was over a real estate deal gone bad, girls being trafficked at Mar A Lago. But what happened for sure is that there was a falling out. But up until that point, anyone who's out here trying to act like Trump wasn't boys with this dude is crazy. Donald Trump has been a notorious womanizer for years. He was running these pageants. You all know how I feel about people, men who are running any kind of beauty pageant. What's your real motivation, bro? What are you doing? Old ass, gross dude, fatty sitting around oogling over all these young girls? Come on, man, get it together. I see right through that. So Trump, Epstein, Les Wexner, any of these dirt bags who are running these stupid ass pageants and stuff. I mean, you're not making money on that, right? That's not a big money making operation. That's so you can ogle over these girls. And for Jeffrey Epstein and Les Wexner, well, it was for something else, right? To recruit these girls. Last month, Mark told Cranes New York that he had no business connection to his brother. But documents show that Mark's real estate business, OSA Properties, is linked to Jeffrey Epstein and company, the company through which Jeffrey managed retail billionaire Leslie Wexner's assets. So the ties were there, right? But the sdny, once again, well, they came out and said, well, he has no familial ties. No. No close family. What are you talking about? He has a brother, doesn't he? An employee at OSA Properties, Jonathan Barrett, who is also an asset manager for Jay Epstein and company, told Cranes that the connection between the two companies was a mistake, reminiscent of the recording error that linked private equity tycoon Leon Black's foundation to Jeffrey years after he was convicted of soliciting a minor for prostitution in Florida. Well, we know that wasn't a mistake, okay? None of this was a mistake. You really think people that have this kind of money, that are in these kinds of positions of power, make those kinds of mistakes? They do not. This is all by design. And they were all rolling with each other because they felt like Epstein was being protected. I am a th percent convinced of that at this point. There is no other reason why these people would be safeguarding their money with Epstein unless Epstein could provide assurances that he had other people safeguarding it for him. Foreign. At the center of the curious connection between Mark's real estate company and his brother is a condominium at 301 East 66th Street, a 15 minute walk from Jeffrey's Mansion on East 70 70th Street. Mark owns the majority of the units in the bland 16 story, 200 unit building, which he purchased from Wexner in the early 1990s. Another tie to Les Wexner. You mean to tell me, as an investigator for the doj, you don't look at all of this and say, oh my God, this is a dream come true. They dropped this RICO into my lap. I'm going to prosecute all of these people and then I'm going to run for president on that. Cuz you know all these prosecutors want other jobs, right? So go make your bones. Remember, in the old days, that's how it worked. I know R. Rudy Giuliani isn't the most favored guy in the world these days, and, and understandably so. But remember, it was Rudolph Giuliani who went after the Mafia in such a fashion that pretty much brought them down and then he rode that into his political office, right? So if you're a hard charging prosecutor and you go after real scumbags, you can propel yourself from that into the stratosphere of politics and nobody has decided to do it. That should tell you folks just how dangerous this situation is for people, how volatile it is. Marcus said his brother does not own a share of the building. But for years, Jeffrey allegedly housed friends, employees and associates in apartments in the buildings, including models connected to MC Squared, the modeling agency in which he invested. The Daily Beast recently reported that Mark also began dabbling in the modeling industry around the same time Jeffrey invested in mc squared. In 2010, a former MC Squared employee said in a sworn statement that the MC Squared models were in fact victims of Epstein's underage sex trafficking ring. Bingo bango. That's exactly what it was. These girls were being brought over from, you know, war torn nations, developing countries, and they were being abused. Promised jobs as models they then brought here and trafficked to Jeffrey Epstein and Jean Luc Brunel's friends. That's a gigantic story right there. Where's the hard charging gray lady? Where is the Washington Post? Jeffrey ran several apartments there where he keeps his girls, alleged models for the MC Squared agency that he owns. Florida attorney Brad Edwards, who represented a number of Epstein's alleged Survivors, told Page Six in 2009. But Mark acts like he doesn't even know his brother. Of course he does. You want to have that layer of, you know, flex between the two of you. Oh, I don't know what he's up to. What are you talking about? Plausible deniability. And all right. In addition to the models, the Jeffrey Epstein Associates, who also rented apartments or. Or ran businesses out of the building, included an ex girlfriend of his pilot and his MC Squared business partner, Jean Luc Brunel, one of Epstein's alleged survivors, has claimed she was forced to have sex with Brunel. Two other potential Jeffrey Epstein co conspirators, Nadia Marcinkova and Sarah Kellen, both operated businesses that were registered at the building. Now, listen, when it comes to Nadia, I have a whole different feeling about what her situation is than when I first started looking into this case. And again, that's because, folks, I just follow the evidence here, right? I am willing to go wherever the evidence leads me. And personally, the evidence has led me to believe that Nadia was not, in fact, somebody who was malicious. She was somebody who was abused, groomed, and led along and led astray herself. Now, the rest of them, they can all burn. Former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barack, who was photographed outside Jeffrey's townhouse in 2016, also regularly spent time at the condo. I don't live in that building, Mark told Cranes. I don't monitor who uses those apartments. A typical slum lord, right? If I owned a building, you better believe I'd be checking in on it, checking in on my tenants, making sure everybody was gully. But nah, why would Mark Epstein do anything like that? And when we read this through, of course there's more tidbits, right? Ehud Barack 2016, still at this building. What is this guy doing with Jeffrey Epstein? I guess we're gonna have to revisit some Ehud Barack episodes, huh? Get a fresh new take on them. I know we've talked about them before, previously, but since we're going through some of these older articles right now, I think that we're gonna dive back in and take a look at Ehud Barack over the next couple of days. As far as this building over on E66, obviously bad was happening here. Obviously, girls were being trafficked from here. Now, I'm not saying Mark Epstein was involved in any of that, but there's no doubt in my mind that financially, he certainly was tied to his brother. And the question once again becomes, how is it that there is no RICO in a case like this? All right, folks, that's going to do it for this episode. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that@bobby capuchi protonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A P u c c I protonmail.com you can also find me on Twitter at B O B B Y Underscore cap U C C I. The link that I discussed can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Jeffrey Epstein had a lot of high powered, high profile friends and associates. Whether that is in the world of politics, the world of finance, the world of academia, it didn't matter. Wherever Epstein went, he was collecting powerful people. And he would entice these powerful people by playing to their urges, right? Whether that's greed or whether that's spending time with a young woman down on his island. That's how Jeffrey Epstein rolled. And according to multiple survivors, multiple people who had access to the homes, the houses were wired for surveillance so that he could record these encounters between these high profile people and these underage girls. The question is, whatever happened to all those tapes? Because we haven't heard anything about those tapes that were seized. And, and what about the computers that were taken out of the house before the raid even happened? Let's not forget that he was tipped off that he was about to get raided. So he was able to remove all those computers, all those hard drives to God knows where. So when it comes to the tapes, there's no doubt that there's tapes out there. The question is, where are they? Who has them? Is it the FBI or are they stashed somewhere else? But according to Jeffrey Epstein's brother Mark, he said that Jeffrey Epstein told him that if he revealed what he knew about the political candidates from 2016, the whole election would have to be canceled. Now, we know that Jeffrey Epstein liked to use a lot of hyperbole, but I don't think he's too far off here. There's no doubt that this dude had dirt on people like you wouldn't believe. And can you imagine what kind of chaos the whole entire thing would have been thrown into if some dossiers would have started to appear? Now, obviously that didn't happen. And we do have to keep in mind that Jeffrey Epstein liked to talk, a lot of talk and didn't do a lot of that walk. So this could have easily just been him using some hyperbole with his brother. Oh, yeah, you know the things I know. Well, it would end the election. Now, there's no doubt that he certainly has some secrets about these people. There's no doubt that he spent time with these people. Trump in the early years, right before they had their falling out. And then the Clintons, forget it. The relationship with the Clintons is just out of control. I mean, going to Chelsea Clinton's wedding, all the stuff we've talked about for the last few days. So that is something that really needs to be addressed as far as that relationship and how deep it goes. But there is no doubt that Jeffrey Epstein had his fingers in many, many pies. We've talked about all the donations that he made politically. We've went through that list before. Maybe I should go through that list again. Knock your socks off. All the people that this dude was donating to. And don't even get me started about the usvi. All those politicians down there in the USVI that were running around while Epstein was active, all those people had their hands in the pot. They were all taking money from him. And that's after he was already convicted. You see, before he was convicted, you at least have a leg to stand on, right? Look, I didn't know what he was doing. He wasn't convicted when him and I were hanging out. Now, do I believe you if you say that? I have my doubts, but at least you have a leg to stand on after he was convicted. I don't want to hear from anybody about, oh, well, this is the reason why. No, there is no reason. The dude was convicted of trying to procure a minor for sex and you're gonna hang out with him and then you're gonna try and pitch me some bullshit gaslight story where I should just accept it? You got the wrong guy. Keep that shit moving. Find somebody else. Alright, onto the article. Today's article is from the New York Post, and the headline, jeffrey Epstein said, if he revealed what I know about both candidates, 2016 election would have to be canceled. According to his brother. This article was authored by Reuven Fenton and Alex Oliveira. Jeffrey Epstein had information on Donald Trump and the Clintons so incendiary it could have upended the 2016 presidential election if made public, according to the dead financier's younger brother. Well, who would be surprised about that, considering this dude's ties to everybody in power, from the Clintons to Trump to you name it. I'm not surprised by any of it. And this has been the message here on this podcast for the last four years. The whole lot of them are corrupt. None of them care about you. None of them care if you have a better life. None of them care about your future or your goals or your ambitions or your dreams. They care about power. Plain and Simple. Here's a direct if I said what I know about both candidates, they'd have to cancel the election. That's what Jeffrey told me in 2016, Mark Epstein told the Post Wednesday, recalling a conversation he had with his brother about the showdown between Trump and Hillary Clinton. However, property developer Mark, 69, demurred when pushed to elaborate, saying his brother never revealed to him exactly what he knew about the then presidential hopefuls. Remember, we have to keep in mind that Epstein was very, very boastful and not everything he said. In fact, a lot of what he said was straight up bs. That's why I always tell you to check the court documents, because saying that Jeffrey Epstein was a little bit loose with the truth is being a bit generous. Both candidates were known to have moved with Epstein's circle, either directly or indirectly. Trump flew on Epstein's private jet seven times in the 90s, according to flight logs, jetting between Palm Beach, Florida and New York accompanied by family members on at least two occasions. Yeah, well, what about the other five? And furthermore, all these people that have their own private jets, why are they using Jeffrey Epstein's private jet? Seems weird to me. I think I'd much rather be on my own jet. No, Hillary is not known to have consorted with Epstein personally, but her husband, former President Bill Clinton, was a friend of Epstein's dating back to at least 1993 during his first term in the White House. Bill and Epstein visited each other numerous times over the years, including Epstein making at least 17 visits to the White House. Wow. Somebody mentioned it. Hallelujah. All these different articles talking about their relationship and nobody's talking about that. Seems to be pretty important to me, no? The ex president also traveled across the world aboard Epstein's jet, making trips to Europe, Asia and Africa, including in 2002 and 2003. Mark said his brother taking Clinton on a philanthropic trip to Africa was what first put him under scrutiny. He added, well, then Jeff first took Clinton and I think it was Chris Tucker and some other people to Africa, which was a mistake my brother made by doing that because prior to that he was under the radar. Nobody was looking at him. But when he flew Clinton there, it was like, who's this guy flying Clinton? Epstein's jet was later notoriously dubbed the Lolita Express, as he used it to sex traffic underage girls between his various properties. Clinton is expected to be identified as John Doe 36. In a trove of court documents related to Epstein set to be released On Wednesday, the 77 year old is mentioned at least 50 times across. The documents, which come from a 2015 lawsuit by Epstein accuser Virginia Roberts against his right hand woman, Ghislaine Maxwell. Maxwell, a co conspirator in the sex ring who is now jailed in Florida, allegedly claimed Epstein had videotapes showing Trump and Clinton in compromising positions with women. If you get the tapes on Trump, you have to do Clinton, Maxwell said during a 2016 interview. Former 60 Minutes producer Ira Rosen alleged in his book Ticking Clock behind the scenes at 60 Minutes. Boy, I'd like to see that interview, huh? That'd be something. Maxwell then allegedly said she didn't know where the tapes were located. No such tapes have ever come to light. Well, we know that the tapes are out there. The question is, where are they? Like I said earlier, does the FBI have them? Does somebody else have them? Do Indyke and Khan have them? Are they at the bottom of the ocean? Where are they? However, Clinton is not expected to be implicated in any illegal activity and ABC News reported and has never been accused of any wrongdoing in relation to anyone in Epstein's orbit. And that's true. I'll say it again for the people in the back that don't want to pay attention. There's no indication here that Bill Clinton was abusing anybody but the enabling, the helping build the foundation for which Epstein used to abuse people. And there's no doubt that that foundation was built on the relationship that he had with Bill Clinton. Roberts has alleged she met Clinton on Epstein's private Caribbean island, Little St. James, where the sex offender committed many of his lewd and horrific crimes. Clinton has denied ever visiting the island and currently available flight records support his claims. Well, Doug Band corroborated what Virginia said. So that's another problem that Bill Clinton has. Doug Band was Bill Clinton's right hand man for years, and he too said that Bill Clinton was on the island. Now again, that doesn't mean that he was engaging in abuse. It doesn't mean that you were on the island. So automatically you were abusing people. What it means is you are hanging out with a scumbag and at the very least, enabling is bullshit. That's what it means. Now, if you were taking part in the, the abuse, well, that's a different level. And like I always say, there are levels to this shit. You have enablers, you have people that were procures, you have people who were actually partaking in the abuse. So this is very nuanced. It's not a black and white situation where you look at it and you're like, oh, okay, I see what's going on here. You have to really go deep. And if you're not willing to put in the time to try and understand all of the nuance, you're going to be completely lost. In July 2019, after Epstein had been arrested in New York and charged for a second time with sex crimes involving underage girls, a spokesperson for Clinton said he knew nothing about the terrible crimes Jeffrey Epstein pleaded guilty to in Florida some years ago or those which he was recently charged in New York. And again, that's fine, but that needs to be challenged. They need to ask him why Epstein was at the White House 17 times. Why did Epstein bring these girls to the White House? Or why did Hillary Clinton get Alexander de Rossi a job at the State Department? These are questions that need to be asked. And look, they might go nowhere, right? They might end up being a big fat nothing burger. But if that's the case, and if Bill Clinton has been honest and truthful this whole entire time, why not go and get the Post, sit down for a deposition and get it all on record? I don't care if you were the ex president. What does that mean? Those days are long over. You're not the President anymore. You're just a regular citizen like the rest of us. So what's the deal? It is unclear whether Trump will appear in the documents, but his known interactions with Epstein, including pictures of them socializing, suggest he could. And we know he did. Who's shocked by that? Maybe people that haven't been following along. But there is no doubt that Trump and Jeffrey Epstein had a relationship previous to their falling out. But just like with Bill Clinton, I'm not going to sit here and tell you Trump was abusing people. We haven't heard that. That's not something that's popping up in court documents. So just like with Bill Clinton, it comes down to enabling. And not just those two, the whole entire political structure. Those two are just the face of it. My issue runs deeper than both of those dudes. Those dudes are a symptom. The corruption that we see from the so called elite, well, that's the problem. Only worrying about Trump, only worrying about Prince Andrew, only worrying about Bill Clinton is only worrying about the symptoms. It's like having cancer and only going after the things that are making you feel sick that day and not attacking the actual cancer. And that actual cancer, folks, as we all know, is the corruption at the very top. Many of the names are expected to be previously known associates, co conspirators, or employees of Epstein. And many previously anonymous accusers are expected to be named. Mark Epstein, who believes his brother was murdered and after his 2019 arrest and did not commit suicide, does not expect much to come of the files. My brother used to have conferences on the island with noted mathematicians and scientists, so now they're going to get smeared because they participated in one of these scientific panels, he told the Post. Now, look, again, I'm not saying everybody who went to that island was abusing people. And I'm sure that there were conferences there that were very mundane, but that was all part of it. That was all part of the facade. So later on down the road you can say exactly what you just said here. Oh yeah, it was just, you know, a conference, just like when he paid those little girls a few hundred bucks. So later on down the road he could call them prostitutes if he ever got caught. And that was all baked into the plan. It's not my job to defend my brother. That's not what I'm here for. The only thing I'm looking at are the circumstances of his murder, he added. The Post request to comment to both Trump and Clinton were not immediately returned. Oh, and I doubt they will be. And I'd love to hear more from Mark Epstein and I do hope that Tucker Carlson follows through and has that interview with him that would be pretty interesting to listen to. So hopefully that happens because I think Mark Epstein has some interesting things that he might be able to tell us. Furthermore, Mark Epstein better be happy that this didn't turn into a RICO case because everybody would have been caught up. And that's the rub, right? If they really cared about justice, this would have been a RICO case. But it wasn't. Instead, what we got was this piecemeal, just enough to throw the masses a little bit of red meat. But the truth is, if they really wanted justice here, if they really wanted to give people justice, the survivors justice, this would have been a RICO case and we could have had all of this settled. Now ask yourselves why everybody else got hit with RICO but Ghislaine Maxwell didn't. Why didn't Jeffrey Epstein? Could it have anything to do with their connections to the rich and the powerful and those very people who make the laws that couldn't have anything to do with it, could it? Could it? Alright, everybody that's gonna do it for this one. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.

[Podcast Host]

Tonight we have an article from the New York Post and it has to do with Mark Epstein. Jeff Epstein's brother.

[Bobby Capucci]

And I guess he's worried that his life is in danger as well.

[Podcast Host]

So I think that's a pretty interesting piece of news that we should add to our Daily Drop catalog here. And that's exactly what we're going to do. But before I do that, if you would like to contact me, you can do that@bobby capuchirotonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A P U c c I protonmail.com all right, so pretty interesting that Jeffrey Epstein's brother thinks his life is in danger. We heard this earlier. He said that and now it's coming out again in this article from the New York Post today that he really feels like he, his life might be in danger from the same people that might have, might have killed his brother. So I think it's gonna be pretty interesting to see what he has to say about this, see if his, his tune has changed at all considering that we've heard this from him previously. But it was a blurb and now they have a whole Post article about it. So we're definitely going to read this article and see what's what. Why don't we just go ahead and jump right in folks. The article is from the New York Post. The headline, jeffrey Epstein's brother fears his life may also be in Danger, authored by Jackie Sallow. Jeffrey Epstein's brother fears that his life may also be in danger if the convicted pedophile was, was the victim of homicide, according to a private pathologist hired to look into the mysterious death. Okay, so this is with, about Michael Baden. So Michael Baden is, you know, the pathologist who has been involved in a lot of these big name cases.

[Bobby Capucci]

Right.

[Podcast Host]

He's been involved in a bunch of this stuff. So it was good enough for him to be involved in all of that stuff and it was good enough for the media to trot him out and

[Bobby Capucci]

well, look what, look what Dr. Baden said.

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And he had that show on HBO and. But now all of a sudden he doesn't have any credibility to some people in the media. He's not credible. He's a quack. Oh, he's just looking for attention. Well, that might be the case. He might be looking for attention. He might be looking to increase his profile. I can't blame him for that. The question is, what about his work? Is his work good? If his work is good, then I don't really care if you like him as a person. Dr. Michael Baden said that the degrees financier's younger brother, Mark Epstein, disgraced financier, pedophile Mark Epstein has concerns about his own safety after his brother's hanging death. Mark, the brother, his concern is that he wants to know if it's suicide or if it's homicide, because if it's homicide, then his life may also be in danger. Biden told radio host John castamatis Sunday on AM's 970 the Cats Roundtable. This is interesting stuff, right? This is very interesting stuff. Now he's on a radio show, Dr. Bodden's on a radio show, and I guess they get around to talking about Jeffrey Epstein. And Mark Epstein comes up and the case, I'm guessing, comes up, and he brings up the little blurb that Mark the brother is nervous that, you know, if this wasn't suicide, is he next? Do people think that might. He might know something? Do they think he might have some evidence or some information? Who knows? We're dealing with incredibly evil people, right? These are evil actors, bro. These are bad guys. These are bad women. These are really bad people. We're talk about. The people that were running this operation are some of the worst people ever, Ever. And it spans continents. They were on multiple continents running this operation. From South Africa to Israel to Yugoslavia to. You name it, you name it. These scumbags had their hands in deep. So if you're a family member and you think that your life might be in danger as well, considering you bring in this famed pathologist, Dr. Baden, and he doesn't really agree with what the medical examiner comes out and reports, well, what are you gonna think, right? It might be some confirmation bias, right? He might think, well, I want to think that Jeffrey didn't kill himself. I want to think that Jeffrey was killed. Who knows? I'm not in Mark Epstein's head, and I wouldn't want to be. But my point is this. My point is this. The people that Jeffrey Epstein were involved with are very capable of not only killing Jeffrey Epstein, but certainly capable of killing Mark as well, if that's what they wanted to do, right? I'm not saying I have evidence of that or that's what's going to occur.

[Bobby Capucci]

It's something that you have to think

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about if you're this guy. These are. These are incredibly dangerous people. These are very, very, very powerful, powerful people. New York City Chief Medical Examiner, Dr. Barbara Sampson ruled the death of suicide after Jeffrey Epstein was found hanged at the Metropolitan Correctional center in August. First suicide in how long? Jeffrey Epstein, after the first case, he had the whole wing and all the preferential treatment he thought he was getting off on this case with the technicality. The night before, his lawyer said he was in good spirits. Nobody reported that he was suicidal except for the first supposed attempt on his life. So excuse me if I'm a bit skeptical of the narrative. I think the narrative is the conspiracy theory. At this point, folks, we've moved on from that. We've graduated on this podcast. There's no conspiracy theory around these parts. We have graduated to the COVID up phase. All right? This is an absolute full blown cover up. Virginia Roberts has said it, numerous people have said it. Whitney Webb believes it's a cover up. And you know what?

[Bobby Capucci]

Even Amy Robach, if you read the

[Podcast Host]

transcript, said she doesn't believe that Epstein killed himself. So take your conspiracy theory wacko, calling people wackos and this, that, the other thing and, and, and talking down about them in your silly articles and shove it. Because this is. This is anyone who is thinking logically, anyone who looks at the whole entire body of evidence as opposed to just what confirms their biases. There's really no other way to look at this, right? You have to look at this and say there is so many coincidences leading up to this man's death. So many coincidences. And if you're his family member, especially

[Bobby Capucci]

even with Biden involved, of course you're

[Podcast Host]

going to question if he killed himself or not. If Biden came to that determination, well. Well, why the hell wouldn't you think that?

[Bobby Capucci]

Bodden knows what he's talking about.

[Podcast Host]

I'm sure he paid him a pretty penny for that. But Mark Epstein hired Baden, who served as the New York City's chief medical examiner in the late 1970s, to oversee the autopsy. And Baden has insisted that three bone fractures in Jeffrey Epstein's neck points towards homicide rather than suicide. The private pathologist said that Mark believes that it's possible that others wanted his brother dead because he knew too much. How is that not a logical statement? How is that not a logical statement? We've seen it time and time again with people involved in these large criminal conspiracies. When somebody becomes dead weight, that's it. They're clipped, they're done. They get rid of them. They're not carrying around people that are liabilities. Not when you're running around in these. These power circles. Not when you have the ability and the power at your fingertips to end people the way they do. You really think they were going to let Epstein sing?

[Bobby Capucci]

You.

[Podcast Host]

You think Epstein was going to go the route of Joe Valachi? He wasn't. Singing Jeffrey Epstein wasn't. There was never going to be a chance where that man was going to name names in a courtroom. He'd have some kind of weird heart if something would have happened to him. A bus, I mean a, a van ride from the prison as he's going to jail. It would have been something. And then they would have force fed it down your throat. They would have force fed their narrative down your throat. And if you don't believe it, well, you're the crazy one. You're the conspiracy theorist bs bs. Because his brother knew too much. And whoever killed Jeffrey might then think Mark knows too much, even though his life was entirely different than his brother's. See, that's not completely true. They had that, that building In Manhattan, the 66 East Manhattan that they owned together. And out of that building, Jeffrey, Jeffrey Epstein was operating the Young models through the MC, the M2, MC2 modeling agency. So he had all those apartments there where all these girls were, were logged in there, five, six, seven deep, sleeping on the floor. He had the rooms, the, the apartments where his pilots and staff, et cetera, et cetera, all lived. And it was in Mark Epstein's name. So they didn't have completely different lives. Let's be honest here. Let's always, let's, let's try and separate the BS from the real. Boden told the radio host. The brother who hired me to be present at the autopsy is concerned as to whether or not his life is in danger from this. The brother has requested information from New York authorities about the hanging death. According to the pathologist, it's five months now and why the dead body has been removed from the cell destroying ability to do any forensic investigation hasn't been explained. So the family is waiting for more information. Baden said, and so are we. Jeffrey Epstein might have been one of the most heinous, disgusting monsters in the whole entire world, but his family deserves to know the what's what. Especially when the medical examiner has come out and said that they already given all the information over. That's what we've covered previously here. So somebody's not telling the truth. Somebody's lying. Once again, the federal government's playing games, all right? And there's nobody we can trust in the Department of Justice. I don't trust Bill Barr, a Bush holdover. There's no way. I don't trust none of these people. I don't trust Bar, I don't trust any of his lackeys. I don't trust anybody in the Justice Department at this point. None of the leadership and the, the, the case agents. Well, they can only do so much, right? They can only do so much. If they're going after a big fry, they got to put, they got to pass that up the chain. There's not. This is, this doesn't happen in a vacuum. We've seen that with the Trump case. We see who ran the operation Hurricane. We see who. We've seen who ran that. It was all the top people and all the top organizations. And the same thing definitely occurs in something like this. So I'm not really going to blame the rank and file. You really can't. They can only do so much. Their hands are tied. They do the preliminary investigations, they bring all the, the evidence forward, and then they're, they're the head honchos. Their bosses tell them, no, we're not doing that. They never get an explanation why all their hard work goes by the wayside. And the honchos probably getting their pockets lined or however it works. Trading political favor for another favor, who the hell knows? But what we do know is that justice is rarely served to people like Jeffrey Epstein. And in the year 2020, that is all going to change. This is the year the predator becomes the prey. If you would like to contact me, you can do that@bobby capuchirotonmail.com that's b o b b y c cap ucci protonmail.com and if.

[Bobby Capucci]

What's up, everyone? And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Yesterday, the Inspector General finally dropped their report on what happened to Jeffrey Epstein while he was in lockup at the mcc. And according to that report, what happened to Epstein was the cause of negligence, malfeasance, and just straight up carelessness by the Bureau of Prisons. And they say that the carelessness led directly to Jeffrey Epstein having the perfect environment for him to kill himself. And for some folks, the fact that the IG report is out, that puts everything to bed. That's the exclamation point. They've been waiting for me. However, you already know how I feel about internal investigations, and that includes the Inspector General. Do you know that the Inspector General isn't even able to charge anybody with anything? All the Inspector General can do is refer charges to the Attorney General. And I think if we've seen anything in the past six, eight years, it's that the Inspector General is toothless. And for all of these big claims in this IG report, all the talk about negligence, all the talk about systemic errors, who was held responsible for that? Oh, of course, the guards were held Responsible for a day. But what about their bosses and their bosses bosses? Nobody else was held responsible, huh? And how about the chain of custody for the surveillance video from the alleged first attempt on Jeffrey Epstein's life while he was in the cell with Tartaglioni? And pay close attention to all of the lies of a mission that you see here. The fact that Nicholas Tartaglioni is not even really a part of this report is laughable at best. And the fact that they would believe Nicholas Tartaglioni's story is also laughable at best. I mean, if he's such a truthful guy, why didn't we just listen to him when he said he didn't kill Diego Luna and those other three dudes? I mean, he's such a truthful guy, right? He didn't try to strangle Jeffrey Epstein. That's what he told us anyway. So why not just believe him that he didn't kill those four people? Why go to trial? Why convict him for four murders? And this is their source from inside of the jail cell from the first time around that just conveniently didn't have the cameras working at the time that he was in this jail cell with this four time murderer. And then you have the audacity to try to pitch to me that this four time murderer is actually a hero and he was trying to save Jeffrey Epstein's life. That's the story that the government's giving you, not me. I didn't just sit around and make that up. That's what the government's telling you, that this four time murderer, Nicholas Tartaglioni is a hero and he actually intervened to save Jeffrey Epstein's life the first time around. And I guess there's people out there that actually believe that. I see people running around talking like it's definitive now what happened in that jail cell. But for me personally, I'm not swayed one way or the other. Still, I'm exactly where I was before this IG report came out. And in fact, I'm even more suspicious of the government now. And like usual, the IG report was lacking. It didn't have any teeth and proved to be feckless. And there's one person out there for sure who don't believe one single thing in this IG report. And that person is Mark Epstein, the Jeffrey Epstein's brother. Now, I don't really like to agree with Mark Epstein too often, but the guy brings up some valid points. So let's dive into this article from the Insider and let's see what's going on. Headline Jeffrey Epstein's brother remains Convinced the Financier was Murdered, Calling new DOJ report blatant BS this article was authored by Jacob Shamsian. When Mark Epstein saw the four years in the making Justice Department report into his brother's death on Tuesday, he seethed in disbelief. It doesn't make sense. Could you get that through your effing head? It doesn't make sense, Epstein told insider. Pardon my language, but I got a lot of calls today and I've lost my patience for people that listen to this and don't ask the right questions. He's not wrong. So you have a bunch of people that will tell you that the government's not to be trusted. The government is up to no good. These agencies are out of control until their guy gets elected. Then all of a sudden, these agencies, they're beyond reproach. You can't say anything about them. And if you do, well, you don't care about our democracy. As if these institutions are above reproach. Right? As if. As if these people who work for these institutions haven't been involved in a bunch of BS before. Ever hear of Larry Nassar? On Tuesday morning, the Justice Department's Office of Inspector General published its long awaiting report into Jeffrey Epstein's death. Epstein, a wealthy financier pedophile who ran in the same circles as Bill Clinton, Donald Trump and Prince Andrew, was found dead in his Manhattan jail cell the morning of August 10, 2019 while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges. His death was a scandal for the Bureau of Prisons, which oversaw the Manhattan jail. It was also a blow to his many victims who had seen him evade justice over and over again. And you see, there is the inconvenient truth. And that truth certainly isn't addressed in this IG report. And that inconvenient truth is Epstein was allowed to get away with this by all of these scumbags for all of these years. When are we going to get an IG report on that? Epstein's body was examined by Kristen Roman, a medical examiner for the City of New York. Mark Epstein hired Michael Bodden, a famed forensic pathologist, to oversee the four hour procedure. They came away with different conclusions. Baden still had questions about how Epstein's body was found. He believes the ligatures on Epstein's neck and the pattern of broken bones were more consistent with homicide, not suicide by hanging with a bed sheet. Roman was inconclusive, though her boss later ruled the death of suicide while offering little additional explanation to the public. The absence of information and Epstein's connections with powerful people. Brett. Theories that Epstein was murdered in his jail cell. Tuesday's 122 page report from the Inspector General's office, which is statutorily protected from the political winds, was supposed to be the final word. Oh, yeah. Look here, folks, we investigated ourselves. It's all over and done with. There's nothing to see here. There were some systemic errors and a lot of failures, but we're holding nobody responsible. And we hope that everybody just understands that we suck at our job. Mark Epstein isn't persuaded. There's a lot of really blatant BS things there. He said he got either punched or a karate chop into the neck by whoever killed him. That's a pretty big claim. But remember, Mark Epstein has access to all of the autopsy information. He had Dr. Baden there, and Dr. Baden certainly didn't agree with the assessment that made by the medical examiner and her assistant. Michael Thomas, the guard who found Jeffrey Epstein dead, said the financier's body was suspended from the top bunk in a near seated position with his buttocks approximately 1 inch to 1 inch and a half off the floor and his legs extended out straight on the floor, according to the report. Here's my problem. Michael Thomas, the man making this report, is one of the guards that fell asleep. So all of a sudden, this guy is the pinnacle of truth. He's a pillar of responsibility and I should listen to what he has to say, huh? Everything that they talked about in this report is relying on secondhand or third hand information that they got from an inmate. So all of a sudden we should believe these inmates, huh? The IG and people who support this IG report, they're really asking us to take some leaps of faith. And unfortunately for the Department of Justice and for the bop, they haven't earned that sort of faith from me anyway. Now, what other people do and what other people think, that is not my business. I have never been in the business of trying to convince anybody of anything. But the marks from the noose fashioned from a torn orange bedsheet were on the lower part of Epstein's neck. Mark Epstein called that part of the report a glaring f up. He told Insider that if Jeffrey Epstein really died in that position, the noose would have ridden up the neck and looped up near his ears. That makes sense. When you look at it and you look at the way his body was allegedly found. Well, that ligature would ride up, wouldn't it? But that's not what the report says. The pictures I have from the autopsy show show that the noose mark was lower on his neck and it was more straight back, as opposed to riding up in the back towards his ears, Mark Epstein said. So he couldn't have been hanging that way, as they say, and leaving this mark on his neck. Also, if he was hanging from the way they said, that doesn't match up where the broken bones are in his neck, he added, Epstein theorized that the marks came from somebody who punched or karate chopped his brother in the neck. See, I don't know about that either. Like I've said, I think the most important piece here is Nicholas Tartaglioni, and I'm more convinced of that fact. Each and every time one of these reports come out or there's a big talk about Epstein and Nicholas Tartaglioni and what happened to that jail cell the first time around is left out of the story. Remember, lies of omission are still lies. And if you're not going to add that part of the story, which we have no real information on, besides what that pillar of society, Nicholas Tartaglioni told us, and let's not forget that Epstein also told people that Tartaglioni assaulted him. Then they say in that report that, well, that can't be the truth because then Epstein has to be back in the cell with Tartaglioni. As if Tartaglioni couldn't have threatened them to say that. Is everybody new here? Does nobody know how it works in jail or in prison? There's a hierarchy, and if you're a scumbag who raped children, you're at the very bottom of that hierarchy. And furthermore, just a few weeks before, Tartaglioni ended up in a cell with Jeffrey Epstein. The dude was busted for having a cell phone in the jail. Who is he talking to on that cell phone? Has that cell phone ever been purged? Where are all those numbers? And unfortunately, when we're talking about Tartaglioni, who was originally scheduled to get the death penalty, by the way, it's just a black hole of information. Oh, and by the way, he didn't get the death penalty. They pulled it off the table for some reason. So you mean to tell me that a guy who murders four people in cold blood like this doesn't deserve to get the death penalty? I guess not. Epstein noted that the Inspector General's office, in all of its four years of working on the report, never asked Baden for an interview. Why wouldn't they do that? If you're the Inspector General and you have the power to interview people, wouldn't you interview every last person that was involved in this? Every last person. The report, however, notes that investigators spoke directly to Roman. She concluded that the hemorrhages, blood flow and skin marks on Epstein's neck and face were more consistent with suicide than strangulation. She also noted there was no evidence of defensive wounds if Epstein had fought off an attacker. Epstein did not have any marks on his hands, no broken fingernails, no debris under his fingernails, no contusions to his knuckles that would have evidenced a fight. And other than an abrasion on his arm, likely due to convulsing from hanging, no bruising on his body, the Justice Department report says. Yeah, well, what about the broken hyoid? Pretty interesting that the hyoid bone was broken, because usually in a situation like this, that doesn't happen. In an interview Tuesday night with Insider, Baden, who estimated he's conducted over a thousand autopsies on deaths in New York state jails and prisons over the past five decades, maintained that Epstein's injuries were more consistent with homicide than suicide. He also said a karate blow would have been the cause of death. A karate blow. So what, we have ninjas running around this jail? The autopsy findings are much more suggestive of homicidal manual strangulation or compression of the neck with being stepped on or with a shoe or a knee, he said. Or a karate blow can cause three fractures in the neck. You'd have to really know what you were doing, huh?

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You.

[Bobby Capucci]

If you slap somebody with a karate chop and break their hyoid bone and all the bones in their neck. So I don't know how likely that is. And like I've said before, I think that the first time around was a message from Tartaglioni. And that message was, we can reach out and get you whenever we want. If you don't do what you have to do, we're going to make your life miserable. So very possible that Epstein did take his own life, but at the hands of somebody else. So there's still a bunch of scenarios at play here, and I don't think that this IG report really clears anything up. The report dispels the theory that another inmate killed Epstein. Mark Epstein has sought to conduct his own investigation into how his brother died. In addition to the Baden report, he hired an attorney to look into the death Insider previously reported. One element that's bothered Mark is that investigators never interviewed the emergency medical technicians who responded when Jeffrey Epstein was found dead. He said the EMTs have said that especially on high profile cases like this, they're always brought in and interviewed to debrief. Mark Epstein said they want to know what exactly took place. Nobody questioned the EMTs. Tuesday's report says the EMTs performed CPR on Epstein, intubated him, administered medication to revive him, and transported his body in an ambulance to a hospital where he was found dead. But it does not say they were interviewed. So why wouldn't you interview the EMTs? I'm talking about everybody that was there should have been interviewed. Mark Epstein said there are questions about the circumstances of his brother's death that he hopes those technicians could answer. They say that they found him in the morning and the guards tried to do CPR on him. Then the EMTs came and took him to the hospital. Epstein said they don't mention the fact that in between them finding him and the EMTs getting there, he was. His body was taken to the infirmary. The report does in Fact say the EMTs moved Epstein's body on a stretcher from his cell to the jail's health services unit. Additional personnel arrived four minutes later to move his body to the ambulance. So the whole entire jail cell should have been treated like a crime scene as well, and that didn't happen. Anytime there's a death inside of a jail, it's treated at first at least as a suspicious death. But here, we didn't see that. Why wasn't this whole entire jail cell the treated as a crime scene? Mark Epstein also previously floated the theory that the doors to Epstein cell and other cells in the unit were unlocked, opening the opportunity for another inmate to kill him. According to the report, the doors were locked. Investigators also spoke to three other inmates in the cell block who could see directly into Epstein's cell from their own cells. None of them saw or. Or heard anyone going in or out, according to the report. None of them saw him kill himself either, obviously. So in other words, we saw nothing, we heard nothing, we know nothing. Mark Epstein remains unconvinced. Did you never think maybe they were sleeping? Epstein said this took place in the middle of the night. So for me, folks, I am still unconvinced. This IG report certainly didn't tell me anything new. It just went over ground that has already been covered time and time again. And you would think after four years that they would be able to have a little bit more than a 128 page report. Why would it take us four years to get that report? How about we start there, Mr. Inspector General, it seems to me that this report is pretty cut and dry, and it certainly shouldn't take four years to compile all of this information. I wonder how many tax dollars were spent by the inspector general in pursuit of this regurgitated information that we all knew already. All they did was put it into a report form and then drop it on us and say, oh, well, here's the official narrative. Well, folks, as you all know, I am never a fan of the official narrative, especially when that official narrative is filled with glaring holes. All right, folks, that's gonna do it for this one. All of the information that goes with the episode can be found in the description box.