Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And His Collection Of People (8/12/26)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Epstein Chronicles — Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And His Collection Of People (8/12/26)

Host: Bobby Capucci
Date: August 12, 2026
Main Theme:
This episode explores the web of scientists, business elites, and politicians entangled with Jeffrey Epstein, focusing on how his proximity to power facilitated his criminal activities, protected him for years, and shaped the disturbing legacy now unraveling through fresh scrutiny. Bobby Capucci scrutinizes elite circles, highlights enablers and facilitators, and advocates for accountability, especially in academia and high society.

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Episode Structure

• Dissection of a Slate and Daily Mail article about Epstein’s network
• Host’s in-depth commentary and analysis
• Notable excerpts from key reveals, witness accounts, and media coverage
• Takedown of high society, academia, and media complicit in enabling Epstein

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Key Segments & Insights

1. Epstein’s Elite Circle and the “Science Crowd”

• Timestamps: [01:02] – [09:21]

• Host reads and comments on an article from Slate by Daniel Engber, focusing on the scientists associating with Epstein post-conviction.

• Observation: Scientists and world-renowned thinkers such as Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins, and Jared Diamond attended Epstein’s dinners even after his conviction for sex crimes. Epstein’s financial contributions bought him access and legitimacy in academic circles.

• Host's Critique:

  "Every one of these scientists that were hanging out at the Edge foundation... flying to Jeffrey Epstein's island, all of these people should be answering hard questions. Every last one of them." ([01:21], Bobby Capucci)

• The dinner parties featured not just intellectuals but also young women and girls, often observed in uncomfortable, inappropriate roles.

• Notable Quote:

  "If I was writing this story and someone said to me, 'Oh, can you not include my name in this story?' I would tell them, um, no. What do you mean not include your name? What are you embarrassed? You were hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein." ([06:32])

• Discussion on how the veneer of scientific curiosity and legitimacy was a smokescreen for predatory exploitation and possibly blackmail or the misuse of sensitive information.

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2. More Than an “Interest in Science”: Eugenics and Blackmail

• Timestamps: [09:21] – [12:42]

• Epstein’s obsession with eugenics and transhumanism discussed. Plans for “breeding projects” at Zorro Ranch, including attempts to inseminate multiple women to “seed” the human race with his DNA.

• Host’s Tone: Outrage and disbelief, connecting these plans to historic atrocities and commenting on the lack of law enforcement action.

• Notable Quote:

  "All of this stuff harkens back to the Nazis and their eugenics experiments and whatnot... Epstein was into the same shit. Transhumanism, seeding the DNA pool, eugenics. Sure sounds like some shit the Nazis were up to if you ask me." ([11:09])

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3. Complicity, Denial, and Academic Enabling

• Timestamps: [13:38] – [18:20]

• Host lambasts the academic elite for enabling Epstein, refusing to speak out, and rationalizing away the presence of young women and illegal behavior at scientific gatherings.

• Many scientists defend themselves by claiming “none of the girls were underage,” but the host calls out this willful ignorance and reliance on plausible deniability.

• Notable Quote:

  "They might have been in their early 20s or late teens... They were not high school girls." — Recurring scientist defense, met with skepticism "I think you should have to talk about this under oath... I think that he should be brought in under deposition." ([20:12], Bobby Capucci)

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4. The Money Trail: Donations, Foundations, and Brockman/Edge Connection

• Timestamps: [30:39] – [35:25]

• Host maps the flow of money from Epstein to scientific institutions and gatherings, especially through superagent John Brockman and the Edge Foundation.

• Recaps the significant financial support ($455k+) provided by Epstein to the Edge Foundation, which brought together top minds who, in turn, lent Epstein legitimacy.

• Host’s Insistence:

  “All of these people need to be brought in. I truly hope... this investigation really digs deep into this sort of thing...” ([31:46])

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5. The Royal Connection: Ghislaine Maxwell, Prince Andrew, and Legitimacy

• Timestamps: [45:48] – [56:51]

• Shifts to analysis of the new BBC documentary “House of Maxwell” and Daily Mail coverage of Ghislaine Maxwell and Prince Andrew’s social ties.

• Maxwell’s connection with Prince Andrew provided a “veneer of respectability,” helping legitimize both herself and Epstein inside elite society.

• Host’s Take: The use of royal connections as social shields is dissected, pointing out how this facilitated further abuse.

• Notable Quote:

  "If the Prince is hanging out with these two, they must be all right. They must have the Queen stamp of approval, right?" ([47:25])

• Host debunks denials from Andrew and others about their closeness to Maxwell and Epstein.

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6. High Society, Media, and Whitewashing Reputations

• Timestamps: [60:08] – [70:47]

• Observations on high society’s willful blindness, including media figures and gossip columnists who aided the normalization of Epstein/Maxwell through coverage and party invitations.

• Classic PR damage control attempts are revealed: attempts to “whitewash” reputations via charity (e.g., Maxwell’s TerraMar Project), guided by PR advisers who themselves condoned or ignored disturbing behavior.

• Notable Quote:

  "There's no saving them, right? They're irredeemable... Epstein trying to make moves to change what his gravestone would say just goes to show you he knew that there was no hope..." ([70:26])

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7. Accountability and the Urgent Need for a Reckoning

• Timestamps: [41:18] – [43:01] and recurring throughout

• Host repeatedly demands genuine accountability from all who participated in, enabled, or benefited from Epstein’s operation, especially the scientists and high society elites who have so far escaped serious scrutiny.

• Reminds listeners that the reckoning for academia and the elite is overdue.

• Notable Quote:

  "Look folks, it is long overdue that the world of academia has its reckoning. And as this story continues to grow... we will continue pulling this thread until its conclusion." ([43:20])

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Bobby Capucci on Establishment Denial:

  “There is a serious case of Epstein amnesia, and there is no doubt about that. The people that were once hanging out with him will tell you, oh, I had no idea who Jeffrey Epstein was...” ([47:25])

• On Academic Rationalizations:

  “How do you know how old these girls are? What if they're 16, but dolled up to look like they're 23 or 24? Because that never happens, right?” ([16:29])

• On Culpability:

  “Put the 14 year olds out of the picture? ... That's at the forefront of the picture, sir. How about that?” ([43:14])

• On Legacy Media and Royals:

  “We're not going to run that story because we want to keep access to the Royals. We want to make sure that we have access to the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family. It is absurd.” ([27:24])

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Host’s Tone

• Unapologetically critical, at times sarcastic or caustic, focused on exposing hypocrisy and calling for justice.
• Champions victims and calls out systemic enabling among the elite, especially in academia, the sciences, and royalty.

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Linked Segments to Check

• [04:49] – "Nobody really talks about [Minsky] besides a few folks..." (highlights overlooked players)
• [24:42] – Women viewed as “breeding partners”—exposing the misogyny and objectification at the heart of Epstein's “science” relationships.
• [31:26] – “When all is said and done, this investigation really digs deep...”

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Conclusion

This episode dives deep into the machinery that enabled Epstein’s decades-long abuse—science, high society, media, and royalty—contending that many enablers still enjoy protection through silence, complicity, and status. Bobby Capucci’s relentless, often biting analysis underscores the urgent need for further investigation and meaningful accountability, refusing to let the complicity of power go unchallenged.

Contact:
Listeners are encouraged to reach out to Bobby Capucci at [e-mail] or on Twitter @bobby_capucci.

References:
Links and documentation referenced in the episode are available in the podcast description.

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Transcript

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So let's jump into this article from Slate and let's see what Daniel Engber has to say.

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Headline.

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The girls were always around.

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What it was like to be a

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scientist in Jeffrey Epstein's circle. Right off the bat you say to

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yourself, okay, so the girls were all

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around all the time. But nobody had any idea, huh? Nobody was none the wiser. You just thought that Jeffrey Epstein was some sort of Casanova, some sort of, you know, in his prime. Brad Pitt. And the girls are just flocking to him because he's such a good looking guy. Is that what you folks really thought? Certainly wasn't just the money, right? I mean, he has to be just this, this fantastically handsome man, according to these scientists, had nothing to do with the money. Had nothing to do with just. Jeffrey Epstein was just a handsome man. So all these girls were hanging around him. That's basically their excuse when in reality, every one of these scientists that were hanging out at the Edge foundation, down at Brockman's Dinners, flying to Jeffrey Epstein's island. All of these people should be answering hard questions. Every last one of them. This article was published on August 2nd of 2019.

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It's summer 2010 and Jeffrey Epstein has just returned to New York City after

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serving out an 18 month sentence in Palm beach, if you want to call it that. How about a vacation where he was allowed to leave six out of seven days for 13 hours a day.

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Florida, including parole for soliciting prostitution from a minor.

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Again, imagine trying to defend. Even if that was his only charge, say you're out here soliciting prostitution from a minor. Now, do you really think that would have been the first time he got caught doing it? And that's what these scientists want you to believe. That's what all of these academics want you to believe, that they had no idea what Jeffrey Epstein was even after his arrest. Yeah, right. Okay, you don't go out there and solicit prostitution from children. I mean, kids can't be prostitutes. But you know, you know what I'm trying to say here? If you have all of that money and you're high profile and you have proclivities and you have an itch that needs to be scratched, why would you be going after these little girls? You have all of that money, Go get yourself an actual, you know, a sex worker who is in the business. You want an escort or something. But it wasn't about that. It was about the power and the fact that Jeffrey Epstein liked little girls. Point blank, period.

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He's hosting a dinner at his townhouse on the Upper east side of Manhattan. To his left is John Brockman, the literary super agent who seems to represent every scientist who's ever written a best selling book. Daniel Dennett, Richard Dawkins, Jared Diamond, Daniel, Daniel Kahneman and so forth. Brockman has brought along a client, a young professor whose line of research interests Epstein. Across the table and to Epstein's right is an aspiring fashion model and her companion.

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So Jeffrey Epstein has all these, you know, high profile people at his dinner, you know, all these academics and scientists and you, you just heard some of the names that John Brockman has been in charge of getting their books out. Some of the most high profile people in academia and all these people are hanging out with Epstein, hanging around the

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house at his townhouse after he's been

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arrested, taking his money, eating his food, laughing at his jokes and having a good old time. Meanwhile, everybody knows what Epstein is at this point. And any of these scientists that try to deny it, well, I'll brand them right here and now as liars, to be honest with you. Because that's what I think about them. I don't think they're being truthful. I don't think any of these academics, to be honest with you, have come forward and done the right thing. Have any of these people spoke with authorities on the record? I mean, maybe behind the scenes and we don't know about it, but as far as we know, seems like there's been a lot of circling of the wagons And a lot of COVID your ass situations and nobody stepping up to the plate and saying, hey, look, this is effed up. This whole entire industry, the whole entire cottage industry of having these parasitic relationships with these billionaires needs to be looked at. Nobody's doing that Besides people like Dr. Stephen Delay. Yet these academics continue to make these funky moves. They continue to hang out with people like Jeffrey Epstein. What do you think, Epstein? The only one. How many more of these disgusting bastards are hidden? How many of these disgusting people are conducting themselves the same way Epstein was?

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There's no cross talk or conversation between

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these pairs of guests.

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It's more like Epstein has convened two separate interactions for his private entertainment, and these just happen to be coinciding both in time and space. He would alternate between us, recalled the professor, who asked that his name not

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be included in this story.

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Oh, that's.

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That's rich.

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That is rich. If I was writing this story and someone said to me, oh, can you not include my name in this story? I would tell them, um, no. What do you mean not include your name? What are you embarrassed? You were hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein.

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Unnamed academic guy.

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Have you went and talked with the FBI yet? Have you spoken with the authorities? What do you mean unnamed? The time for being unnamed in this story has long passed.

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Sometimes he turned to his left and asked some sciencey questions. Then he turned to his right and asked the model to show him her portfolio. At one point, a young female staffer stepped into the room to give Epstein a massage, rubbing his neck as he talked and listened. So this is normal behavior, huh?

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At a meeting for academics? A bunch of scientists sitting around with a clown like Jeffrey Epstein. He's getting a massage from some who knows how old girl looking at her modeling portfolio while he's sitting around some of the greatest minds of science. And none of these people thought that was weird, huh? None of these people thought that was strange or out of bounds. Makes you wonder what is wrong with

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all of these people.

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No one seems to know that much about Epstein's occupation, but there's little doubt about the ways he'd like to spend his time. I only have two interests, he once

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told a longtime friend and former academic.

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Science and the P word.

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That sounds about right. And I throw a couple other things in there, too. Money laundering,

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theft, wholesale lying, abuse, you name it.

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Those are all Jeffrey Epstein's go to moves.

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But definitely science and the P word

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were the two things that were on his mind quite a bit. And they both were means to an end for Jeffrey Epstein. Right. You know, the science was a way to, you know, forward some of his weirder ideas and thoughts. And like I always say, I think it's an untalked about part of the scientific and academic story. What sort of access did these scientists have to confidential projects, private projects? And did that information get into the hands of whoever the highest bidder might have been? Because we know Jeffrey Epstein wasn't some sort of patriot. We know that Jeffrey Epstein was all about consolidation of power and wealth. And if he was in the business of blackmail and kompromat like we believe he was, then you would think that he also had dossiers on these scientists and these scientists that were working on projects that could have been classified.

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Well, did. Did Epstein get access to any of these projects? Who know? It seems those interests overlapped. As the New York Times reported on Wednesday, Epstein's passion for cutting edge science at times verged into eugenics.

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And we've talked about that a lot. Jeffrey Epstein had like this fixation with eugenics. He had like this fixation with, you know, seeding the human race with his DNA. And down at Zorro Ranch in. Outside of Santa Fe, in. It was the perfect place for him to do that. So again, like usual, when I mention Santa Fe or Zorro Ranch, I have to throw in the obligatory, why has it not been raided yet? What in the f is going on in New Mexico?

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Multiple sources told the Times that Epstein

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had described a plan to inseminate women at his ranch outside of Santa Fe, New Mexico. According to a shake year second hand account also relayed to the Times, Epstein said he wanted to use his ranch

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to impregnate 20 women at a time

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as a means of strengthening the gene pool. Now think about that for a minute, folks. Strengthening the gene pool.

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What gene pool?

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Humanity in general's gene pool or I

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don't know what this idiot's talking about.

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The gene pool.

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The Times also says that Epstein had an interest in cryogenics and that he told one adherent of transhumanism that upon his death, he'd like to have both his head and penis put on ice.

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When we first covered this, I was.

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I couldn't believe what I was reading.

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I mean, really, you want to have your penis and your head cut off and put on ice? What do you think you're going to come back at a later point like Frankenstein? What do you think? Dr. Frankenstein showing up, gonna put together a corpse and then add your head to it and bring you back to life or something? I mean, all of this Stuff harkens back to the Nazis and their eugenics experiments and whatnot. I mean, it's all the same playbook that we've seen from those sick bastards. Epstein was into the same shit. Transhumanism seeding the DNA pool. Eugenics sure sounds like some shit the Nazis were up to if you ask me.

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This can't have been an earnest scheme, though the times implies it was. It would make no sense for anyone to reanimate disembodied penis. Still, Epstein's joke plays off the nature and extent of his dual obsessions.

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I don't know if it was a joke, honestly.

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We're talking about a guy who was into a lot of wild and weird shit.

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And who knows what he was into, you know, in his. In his personal life. What sort of wacky beliefs he might have harbored that you know, not many people knew about. So who knows about the head cut off and the penis cut off and put on ice? Who knows what the real motivations behind that was? Or what his thinking was behind that, if it was a real statement.

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His pursuits of sex and science weren't merely carried out in parallel, but all at once and often in full view. Yeah, it sure was in full view.

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So where were all of these scientists who were hanging out with Epstein? Where were they going and beating the drums?

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Where were they leading the charge to

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stop all of this? They were there.

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They were enriching themselves from Jeffrey Epstein's ill gotten gains. Hello, my name is Rico. I'd like to meet ya.

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When Epstein convened 21 physicists on his private island for a 2006 meeting on gravity, for example, he was always followed

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by a group of something like three or four young women.

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One participant told the New York Times.

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Yeah, because that's normal. That's normal for a guy like Epstein to just be followed around by all

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of these women and all of this

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stuff on this island while it's a science conference. What he was doing was flossing, Showing these scientists, hey, look what I can offer. Look what I have down here. Look at my. Look at my situation and my setup,

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and it can all be yours as well.

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You can have whatever you want down here. This is Epstein's island. And then they'd get caught up in the whole situation because they're sick bastards, and their temptation led them to a monster like Epstein's embrace. And then their own sick proclivities led them to take part. But you mean to tell me it's normal for a guy hosting an event like this For a bunch of pocket protector scientists to have a bunch of hot girls trailing him around? None of these dorky ass scientists thought that was odd.

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That meeting's organizer, the cosmologist Lawrence Krauss, remained friends with Epstein during and after his prison sentence. He told the Daily Beast in 2011 that, speaking as scientists, There was no reason to believe that Epstein was committing crimes. I always judge things on empirical evidence, he said. And he always has women ages 19 to 23 around him, but I've never seen anything else. Well, it's good to know that Lawrence

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Krauss is not only a cosmologist, but he is an expert in figuring out how old people are by just looking at them. Pretty varied skill set that this man has, A pretty varied toolbox that he shows up to the job site with. Maybe he should give up being a cosmologist and he should come to Vegas and use his skills of picking out women or people who are not of age. And he'd be a great resource to the casinos. I mean, is he for real?

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What do you.

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How do you know how old these girls are? What if they're 16, but dolled up to look like they're 23 or 24? Because that never happens, right?

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Epstein's former neighbor, the psychologist and computer scientist Robert Schenck, Describes another such event that he attended. A meeting of artificial intelligence experts organized by Marvin Minsky, who was credibly accused

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by Virginia Roberts of partaking in her

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abuse, by the way, and held on Epstein's island in April 2002. What?

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Does it shock you that Minsky would have an event on Epstein's island, considering their connection, considering that. That they're such good friends. Of course not.

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Minsky is somebody who really needs to

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be put on blast. Nobody really talks about him besides a few folks and a few different articles. There's really nothing out there on what Minsky is alleged to have done.

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Epstein walks into the conference with two

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girls on his arm, said Schenck.

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The scientists were holding their discussions in a small room, and as they talked, Epstein was in the back on a couch, hugging and kissing these girls.

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Because that is exactly the behavior of somebody who is interested in science. That's the behavior of somebody who wants

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to move the ball forward.

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That's the behavior of somebody who should be taken seriously by some of the most powerful minds in academia. No, it is not.

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But yet here we are. Yet they did take him seriously, and they did keep coming back with their hands open and supposedly their eyes closed.

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Like Kraus. Shanks says that Epstein always had young women in his company. The first time they ever met, over lunch at Epstein's house, it was me, him, and six girls, Shanks said. Like Krause, he insists that none of Epstein's girls were underage. You know, it's an uncanny ability all

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of these guys have all of a sudden, to delineate the ages of these girls by just looking at them. I mean, wow. Pretty awesome skill that these guys have and a keen eye to boot.

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They might have been in their early 20s or late teens, but when I

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talked to them, they were always in college or had just graduated college or something like that.

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They were not high school girls.

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Yeah, according to them, because, you know, they couldn't have been playing their part. Right. We know that Epstein had these girls playing a part to get blackmail on powerful people.

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That couldn't have been it. They couldn't have been playing a part. You know for sure 100% that every one of those girls was over age, huh? You certainly know that. Well, I think you should have to talk about this under oath. I think that he should be brought in under deposition.

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Shank and Kraus and all the other people that were there.

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And they should have to speak on this under oath.

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The scientists were, in their own way, members of Epstein's entourage. Beautiful women are only a part of it, wrote the journalist landon Thomas in 2002, profile of Epstein from New York. Because here's the thing about Epstein. As some collect butterflies, he collects beautiful minds. Oh, what rosy words.

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What beautiful words by Landon Thomas Jr.

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Painting such a rosy picture of this disgusting bastard, Jeffrey Epstein.

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That phrase comes up in other places, too. Jeffrey's hobby was. Was scientists. He liked to collect them. An anonymous associate told Connie Bruck for her recent piece on Alan Dershowitz in the New Yorker.

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So I'm not gonna sit here and act like these scientists are all victims either. They knew what they were doing. They were going in with their eyes open. And they knew what Jeffrey Epstein was. They knew the kind of man he

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was, and they knew what he was involved with.

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But they simply didn't care, folks. Because guess what? It's all about the money.

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That is what it comes down to. It's all about the money that Epstein was providing these guys. 20 scientists. 20 scientists were flown in for that island meeting on AI in 2002, of which 18 were men. Among the famous physicists who were present for the 2006 meeting, a dozen have been publicly identified and 10 were men. When Epstein arranged to host another science conference at his island home in 2010, not long after his first stint in prison, his guests included 11 men and two women.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

And one thing we have learned from the Epstein fiasco is that there definitely

[Article Reader / Narrator]

are women involved in this.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

And according to an article that we read here on air, I believe it's like 39% of people involved in human trafficking from the trafficking standpoint are in fact female. So, you know, you just can't tell, right? You never know these days. And that's one thing that the case here has shown me. I would never, ever suspect somebody like Ghislaine Maxwell being involved in something like this.

[Commentator / Analyst]

And that's why the whole entire operation

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

was so genius, right? Epstein had it locked and loaded and had that blueprint completely laid out, and everybody played their part to a tee.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

Recent rundowns of Epstein's science funding, his science fandom, and his science friends show the extent of his division. Almost every science scholar whom he's said to have courted or supported is a man. Lawrence Krauss, Marvin Minsky and Roger Schenck. Also Gregory Benford, George Church, Murray Gelman, Stephen Jay Gould, David Gross, Stephen Hawking, Danny Hillis, Gerard T. Hooft, Stephen Costling, Jaron Lanier, Seth Lloyd, Martin Nowak, Oliver Sacks, Lee Smolin, Robert Trivers, Frank Wilichek, and more.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Now, some. Those names are some of the most

[Article Reader / Narrator]

renowned names in the scientific community, folks, as you all know.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Names that have been involved in huge scientific breakthroughs and discoveries and all of that. But the fact remains, none of that

[Article Reader / Narrator]

makes it acceptable for their role within

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Jeffrey Epstein's enterprise, be it enabling or whatever else it might have been.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

My point is, all of these people, all of these people who were on this island, all of these people who were at these events, and they're saying right here in print that they were around and there was a bunch of girls around. The FBI needs to speak with all of these people. Among the only women I can find in this group is Harvard's Ann Harrington, who took a grant from Epstein around 1999, 1998. Lanier told the New York Times that when, well, credentialed women did show up at Epstein's genius gatherings, he wondered if it might be so they could be screened as potential breeding partners.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

This is what he thought about women. Some of the finest minds in the world, some incredibly intelligent scientists who happen to be female. But to Jeffrey Epstein, they're just breeders. They're just people that might be able to be part of his eugenics program. And I wouldn't be shocked if these other scientists felt the same way.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

It was one of these women, he said, who described Epstein's 20 at a time breeding project in New Mexico. Lanier could not recall her name and. And did not mention Harrington. So, again, there are so many people

[Commentator / Analyst]

out here with stories.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

There are so many people out here

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

that know about Jeffrey Epstein and what he was up to and the scumbaggery that was going on at these events.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

Have these people been brought forward?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Let's build the complete profile here. Let's get it started. Let's get cracking.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

What is. What's the. What are the feds waiting for? News reports and legal filings suggest that Epstein's women and his girls were treated as commodities allegedly shipped from place to place on private aircraft, allegedly photographed and turned into porn collectibles, allegedly passed around for sex with fellow VIPs, and all

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

of that, unfortunately, according to the circumstantial evidence, looks to be true.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

And then you add to the circumstantial

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

evidence the eyewitness accounts from people like Virginia, and. And it really sets a damning profile

[Article Reader / Narrator]

and a damning situation for all of

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

these people who were involved and these academics who have been avoiding this fallout. You boys and girls better get yourself some iodine and a radiation suit, because these clouds are glowing.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

Women were even swapped from one letch's employ to another's. New York magazine reports that Epstein referred five women to Charlie Rose as possible assistants. One he said used to work for Harvey Weinstein. He's lucky if he can get her.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

I mean, Charlie Rose is another scumbag, another member of the legacy media, folks. A darling of the legacy media, in fact, until the report started coming out. So, again, you know, all of these people in the legacy media have some nerve. They really have some nerve when they get up there on their ivory tower and shout down at the rest of us that we're not living our lives correctly. Well, here's an idea. You people are in a position to actually make change. You're in a position to blow this

[Article Reader / Narrator]

shit out of the water. But what do you do instead?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Nah, we're not going to run that story because we want to keep access to the Royals. We want to make sure that we have access to the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family. It is absurd.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

There is a crude lightness in the ways that Epstein solicited the men and women and girls that aroused his interests and how he reached for what he wanted among Epstein's circles of super rich genius men could be swapped and traded, too. Another recent profile of Dershowitz, this one in the New York magazine describes a late 1990s birthday party for Epstein's loyal friend, the billionaire Leslie Wexner.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

And again, Alan Dershowitz acts like him

[Article Reader / Narrator]

and Epstein were just.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

It was a purely business relationship. We know that's not the case. Stop lying to us. All right, Alan Balonovich, king of bs.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

In lieu of gifts, the story says Wexner asked each of his guests to bring the smartest person that he or she had met that year. Epstein's offering that time was Dershowitz, A beautiful mind, flown out to Ohio on Epstein's private jet and shared with a wealthy friend.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

And again, that's what Epstein was in the business of providing things for the rich and wealthy. And when I say things, I don't mean, you know, normal middleman type things. I'm talking about young girls, money, services to hide that money, that sort of thing. That's what Epstein was. That's the kind of man he was.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

And all of these people who act

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

like they had no idea are lying to you. That's my opinion.

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[Article Reader / Narrator]

Over time, Epstein would build a network for procuring brilliant men. Chief among his fixers was the super agent John Brockman. Brockman declined to comment for this story.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Now, I have also sent an email to John Brockman that that was never answered to get some questions about this. And I highly doubt that any of these people that I send emails to have any interest in speaking with me. But if any of them do, if they're listening to this podcast by chance or they get wind of this, feel free to shoot me some email to explain yourself, because from where I'm sitting, no comment is as damning as damning could be. And somebody like John Brockman especially should really be coming out and speaking on what he knows.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

When Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, and Steven Pinker flew out to a TED conference on Epstein's private jet in 2002, their agent, Brockman, was on board as well. Pinker's scanty ties to Epstein have been singled out in recent weeks. He says he only boarded Epstein's jet because of Brockman.

[Commentator / Analyst]

Once again, shows you that Brockman's a

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

problem, that throwing Brockman under the bus. So, fine, Brockman's the problem, then let's bring him in. He needs to be questioned and under oath. What's going on? All of these people need to be brought in. I truly hope that when all is said and done, that this investigation really digs deep into this sort of thing, because these allegations, all these people that

[Article Reader / Narrator]

we're talking about here, these. These scientists, especially a lot of them

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

have been named directly as people who

[Article Reader / Narrator]

participated in the abuse.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

So, like I always say, there's levels to this, right? You have the enablers and. But the very bottom rung of hell, the worst of the worst are the people who actually participated in this abuse. And that's a lot of these scientists. You know, according to Virginia,

[Article Reader / Narrator]

Roger Shanks says it was Brockman who introduced him to Epstein, too.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Everybody goes through John Brockman. He told me, again, John Brockman really

[Article Reader / Narrator]

needs to be brought in.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

John Brockman really needs to be talked

[Commentator / Analyst]

to, because, boy, oh, boy, this is.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

He's. He's a ridiculous man inside of this story. And there is nowhere near enough being talked about with John Brockman.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

It's Brockman's job to help his clients make connections. Epstein, in turn, helped pay for Brockman's salon for science intellectuals, the Edge Foundation.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

And the Edge foundation is another group of all of these super intelligent academic types. They get together and they have these meetings, right? Of literally a meeting of the minds. And Epstein was big with the Edge foundation, big with John Brockman, and he was big on funding a lot of these scientists.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

According to the Miami Herald's analysis of

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

public filings from three of Epstein's charitable

[Article Reader / Narrator]

organizations, EDGE received at least $455,000 between 1998 and 2005.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

So was that money ill gotten gains. Was that money that Jeffrey Epstein made from criminal activity?

[Article Reader / Narrator]

If so, the Edge foundation should be part of rico. The Jeffrey Epstein Virgin Islands foundation once claimed in a press release to have provided substantial backing for edge, which is there described as a treasure trove of over 660 virtuosity geniuses and masterminds. What masterminds? These people

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

are disgusting folks. Okay? All of these academics, all of these people that were hanging out with Epstein, breaking bread on his island, going to

[Article Reader / Narrator]

these Edge foundation meetings with Epstein, sitting

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

around and hanging out. Where are all of all of them? How come none of these people have come out and given a full accounting of what occurred at when they were with Epstein?

[Article Reader / Narrator]

Disclosure I respond responded to one of Brockman's annual questions in 2008 and my answer is still on Edge's website along with a defunct bio page. I also attended an Edge event on the science of morality in 2010.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Not Me by the way.

[Commentator / Analyst]

That's the person writing the article.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

I don't think I'd be getting invited to any Edge foundation meetings. Okay.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

As a self described member of the Edge community, Epstein often delved into the treasure trove of the group's billionaires dinner, Brockman's yearly gathering of the outstanding minds at which the richest people in the world come together with the most intelligent people in history. Oh yeah, what could possibly go wrong?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Evil doctor, doctor Evil type dudes in the back room with billions and billions of dollars collecting scientists who need this money to move their research and God knows what sort of projects are being worked on.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

What could possibly go wrong?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Whole world is going to turn into the island of the of Dr. Moreau if these people have their way.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

Also present at those billionaire dinners on at least two occasions. Epstein's potential co conspirator Sarah Kellen, who according to court filings was a key figure in the administration of of his

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

network of air quotes masseuses. We definitely know that Sarah Kellen was down there a lot. We know she was with Epstein all the time. Right hand woman with Maxwell. So just like Kellen and the rest

[Article Reader / Narrator]

of the core four, all of these people that are coming out and writing these articles. That's all fine and well and we

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

appreciate it, of course, but I hope that all of these people are speaking to the authorities.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

Another Brockman client, Cornell University psychologist David Pizarro, remembers seeing Epstein at a meeting held at Brockman's Eastover farm estate in Connecticut in 2013. At one point during the meeting, says Pizarro, a helicopter touched down and the financier pedophile popped out with a young Slavic looking woman. The scientists were all in awe that a billionaire with a private helicopter had come to listen to what they had to say, he recalled.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Oh, isn't that nice? Everyone's in awe of Mr. Billionaire showing up to listen to what they have to say. So much in awe that they're willing to overlook the fact that he is

[Commentator / Analyst]

a pedophile, an abuser of women and

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

a general all around piece of shit.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

One young Slavic looking woman who spent lots of time with Epstein was his pilot and former, excuse me, survivor Nadia March March Marchenko, also known as the Gulfstream Girl. According to police reports, Epstein told at least one of his alleged survivors that Marchenko had been purchased from her family in Yugoslavia.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Now that was what he told Virginia, that Nadia was purchased from her parents with the help of Brunel and brought to America for Jeffrey Epstein. That's the story behind Nadia Martinko. And if you want to dig in a little bit deeper in that, I have obviously a bunch of episodes that go deeper into that situation.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

On this topic and many others. Shank offered defense. What does that mean, a sex slave? He said. This is a thing I don't like the media for because they come up with these ideas.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Sex slaves.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

He bought her from her parents and yes, he was having sex with her, her and 17 other girls. He added, I didn't see her as being underage. I did occasionally talk to her because she was around a lot. She didn't seem like a child. Oh, well, that's you. You've solid. You've settled it then. I mean, you have settled it. You know, she didn't look like a child, so she obviously wasn't a child. Mr. Pizarro, you have put the whole

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

entire mystery to rest, really. Again with she didn't look young. And that's their.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

That's the excuse they'll use, right?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Because they know that that excuse, while it is obviously bs, it's the only

[Article Reader / Narrator]

one that they possibly can use.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

As for the eugenics stuff, Shanks says it's nonsense to suggest that Epstein meant to see the human race with his DNA.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

He did want to be a father,

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

though, and by many different women. About 15 years ago, Shanks said, when Epstein had just turned 50, the two had a long conversation about parenting. Epstein wanted to have a baby or

[Article Reader / Narrator]

multiple babies, but he wasn't planning to

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

get married or spend much time with any of the families that he created.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

He wanted to know what would happen if he impregnated lots of different girls and then helped them out financially. Would the kids come out the way he wanted? Again, who thinks like that? Who thinks like that? Oh, let me just have a bunch of kids and then leave them with their.

[Commentator / Analyst]

Their mothers, and I'll provide for them

[Article Reader / Narrator]

financially, just to see how they come out. These are human beings we're talking about, and he's acting like they're some sort of science experiment. His own children, and anyone could possibly

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

believe that he'd have any compunction abusing children that weren't his own.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

Shank wrote about this conversation for his

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

2005 book, Lessons in Learning, Elearning and Training.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

Though in that text, he refers to Epstein only as a friend who lives

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

the kind of life that many men fantasize about.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

And shall we say, moral morality doesn't come up much.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Shank, you're a liar.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

Okay, right. In your own book, you said morality, morality doesn't come up much. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But then at the same time, you

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

act like you had no idea what

[Article Reader / Narrator]

he was up to, that he was a scum, that he was a scumbag, and, you know, abusing girls, et cetera, et cetera. It's. It's disgusting that all of these people

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

have gotten away with this for so long. The days of the academics getting over

[Article Reader / Narrator]

on this stuff are long over, folks. Shank offers his advice. As an expert in educational psychology, Epstein would be wise to keep the mothers of his.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Of.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

Of his offspring from shacking up with other men. Otherwise he might lose control of the children's development little by little. My friend's children would be his only

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

genetically if he wasn't careful. Shank writes.

[Commentator / Analyst]

That's chilling, folks.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

I mean, honestly, that is absolutely chilling. They're talking about Epstein's future children.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Thank God we, you know, there is none that we know about being used as science experiments.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

Basically, for him to observe from afar almost as if they're in a petri dish, and he's some sort of scientist leaning over in his microscope to see

[Commentator / Analyst]

what's going on on.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

It tells you everything you need to know about Epstein, but it also tells

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

you what you need to know about this clown, Shank.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

Based on his reading of this week's story in the Times, Shenk now wonders if maybe Epstein changed his mind and decided that the mothers of his children should all live with him and one another in New Mexico. The fact that he came up with a new plan is not surprising to me, shanks said.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Now that that strikes me as true, right? A whole entire harem, basically, as if he was one of his buddies from

[Article Reader / Narrator]

Saudi Arabia in the nice privacy of

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

his desert getaway at Zorro Ranch. That's totally a plausible scenario for me,

[Article Reader / Narrator]

folks, honestly, to buy into.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

And you know, I don't really buy into the far fetched in this story,

[Article Reader / Narrator]

but that certainly seems plausible.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Epstein have a house full of young

[Article Reader / Narrator]

girls where they're all he's impregnating them and he's running an experiment. That does not seem too far out

[Commentator / Analyst]

to left field for me, folks.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

He was intent on clarifying that he always felt Epstein's intentions, even with the women, were benign. This guy was actually not a bad

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

guy, shank told me at the end of our conversation.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

I mean, put the 14 year olds out of the picture. Those even make me think he was a bad guy. But to my knowledge, he was not a bad guy.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

He was a good guy.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

Put the 14 year olds out of the picture.

[Commentator / Analyst]

Uh, what?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

No, that's never gonna happen.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

That's at the forefront of the picture, sir. How about that? How about you put Jeffrey Epstein's money

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

that he was donating to you out of the picture, you epic idiot. Look folks, it is long overdue that the world of academia has its reckoning. And as this story continues to grow and as we come closer and closer to Ghislaine Maxwell's trial, you better believe that we will continue pulling this thread until its conclusion. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that@bobby capuchirotonmail.com that's B O

[Article Reader / Narrator]

B B Y C A P U C C I protonmail.com youm can also

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

find me on Twitter obby_cap ucci all

[Article Reader / Narrator]

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[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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[Article Reader / Narrator]

To everybody who has helped out the podcast with donations.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Thank you folks very, very much. All right everybody, I will be back later on and we will pick up

[Commentator / Analyst]

where we left off.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Have a great day everyone.

[Commentator / Analyst]

One and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

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[Commentator / Analyst]

Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell were obviously very, very close. And we have pointed out many, many times in the past that the relationship between Ghislaine Maxwell and Prince Andrew was very, very beneficial, not only to Maxwell, but to Jeffrey Epstein as well. Now, if it wasn't for Ghislaine Maxwell, mind you, Epstein would have never had a relationship with Prince Andrew. And Prince Andrew, on the other hand, wouldn't have had access to Jeffrey Epstein's millions, wouldn't have had access to all of the disgustingness of Epstein's world. So you see how this was a rub your back and I'll massage yours kind of relationship. Now, what also occurred was the credibility that Maxwell and Epstein obtained from their relationship with Prince Andrew. People would think, hey, if the Prince is hanging out with these two, they must be all right. They must have the Queen stamp of approval, right? The Queen must be okay with it, or else why would this dude be hanging out with them? So what that does is it helps refurbish and build a facade around Maxwell and Epstein where people think that they're solid folks, that they're respectable people. Now, obviously, you have to do your own due diligence about the people you're spending time with, especially when you're at this level of power, because you're asking

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

for big trouble if you hang out

[Commentator / Analyst]

with a guy like Jeffrey Epstein. Or if you hang out with somebody like Ghislaine Maxwell, you are just asking for trouble. So you can't just rely on, you know, oh, well, they have a relationship with so and so, so they must be good, because that certainly is not the proper way to go about vetting people. Especially when we're talking about the upper crust, the so called elite, the den of vipers and morons, because that's what they really are when you break it all down, right? Absolute morons. It's amazing how they have so much power and so much wealth because they're pretty stupid people. When you take a look at all of the scenarios we've been looking at, you mean to tell me Les Wexner, Mr. Moneybags himself, is so stupid that he could be exploited to the tune of 47 million from Jeffrey Epstein? Oh, okay. I thought you were the smartest man in the room, Les. What about good old Leon Black? I'm not gonna go into it, but you get my meaning here, right? For the people that want to tell you that they're the smartest people in the room all the time, they sure come off as, as absolute morons. But there is a serious case of Epstein amnesia, and there is no doubt about that. The people that were once hanging out with him will tell you, oh, I had no idea who Jeffrey Epstein was. I never spent any time with him. And then when they're called out and their bullshit is called to the carpet, it's a whole different story. Oh, well, I didn't really know him. Oh, I only met him one time. But before you told us you had never met him before, or you very shortly had a brief handshake with him, Kind of like the whole Bill Gates scenario, right? Remember when that was all coming out, how people were like, oh, this is a conspiracy theory. Bill Gates didn't have anything really to do with Jeffrey Epstein. They had one meeting. Yeah, well, where are we now? Right, and take a look at where we are now and think about where we were as far as that whole scenario coming forward and see just how much of a conspiracy theory it really was. Right? And that's a whole lot of these cases within the Epstein atmosphere. It all sounds hella absurd. It all sounds like it's fake and unreal, like how could any of this really happen? But it is one of the best defenses, right? Operate in the open. And that's basically what these people were doing. They were operating with how many of these other elites knowing about it? How brazen was it? What were the conversations like at the dinner parties. You really mean to tell me this wasn't a point of conversation, a topic of interest? All of these guys, these scientists and the rest of them were just going to this island to talk about math. Okay, sure, I believe you. Alright, so today we have another article from the Daily Mail who is continuing with their fantastic coverage here of Maxwell and this new documentary, House of Maxwell. The headline of this article is Prince Andrew's friendship gave Ghislaine Maxwell of the near of respectability and the apprehension and the appearance of the Queen's approval within New York society. Columnist claims that was always the plan, wasn't it? Always the plan? Jeffrey Epstein needed that so badly to be accepted, to be ushered in to those levels of power. Because unless you have old money, you're not welcome. New money is laughable to them. You need to be old money. And from the power structure that makes up New York, it's no different than London. I mean all New York really is a junior London, right? Let's be real. Both places love to wash money and both places are very similar with the upper crust. This article was authored by Monica Greep. Prince Andrew's friendship with Ghislaine Maxwell gave her a veneer of respectability and royal approval in the lead social circles, a society columnist has claimed. So it's a pretty much ape society, right? They just ape it. The, the, the higher ups, the so called elite. If one person's accepted by this one, then everybody accepts them and it's all good.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

So because

[Commentator / Analyst]

Jeffrey Epstein was friendly with Maxwell, who was friends with the Prince, that gave Epstein, you know, that bit of push that he needed. Oh well, how bad could this guy be? He's hanging out with the Queen's son for God's sakes. But in reality we all know the sort of monster Jeffrey Epstein was and all this did was give them plausible deniability when they ended up getting caught. And we've seen that over and over. How many of them have said, well so, and so was hanging out with Epstein, this one was there and that one was there. Meanwhile they don't tell you that those very same people that they're mentioning, who are supposedly character building points of conversation for these guys and their explanation here, all of them are under suspicion or accusations of enabling or taking part in Epstein's escapades as well. So what are you trying to do here? Are you Attila the Hunter trying to pull out Genghis Khan and tell me, hey, this is a good guy, this is solid, you should listen to me because Guess what? I am not listening to you. Corey Hay worked as the society columnist for New York's Hamptons and Avenue magazines in the 1990s, where he met Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein at a number of glitzy, exclusive parties. Well, that's because they were at the mall, folks. All of those people in New York, all of those loudmouths that hang out up in the Hamptons, all of them that get out there and talk about their. For this movement or that movement, or they stand up for the small people. Well, remember during the pandemic, how many of them stuck around in the city? That's right. They all split up to the Hamptons, didn't they? Gotta get away from the dirty, unwashed masses. They can't be part of that. And those are the very same people that were parlaying with Epstein, breaking bread with Epstein, having their daughters call them Uncle Jeffy. He says that Maxwell dealt in the commerce of important people and that she would go out with an invisible butterfly net into the social scenes of New York and London to capture the beautiful people. That all adds up and lines up with everything we've heard. I mean, what did Maria Farmer tell us about her trolling Central Park? So it definitely all lines up. And we know that one of her key roles was to work as the functionary for their social climb. Ghislaine Maxwell put them on her back and climbed that social ladder, the whole organization, it was because of her that they made those inroads. Epstein, that buffoon, could only go so far. I mean, really, who's going to trust this dude if he's like, hey, yeah, come over. I got an opportunity for you. If Maxwell's not involved, if the. If the rest of his lieutenants aren't involved, the women normalizing it, no girl's gonna want to go hang out with this goofball. You guys all seen the way this guy looks?

[Article Reader / Narrator]

Come on.

[Commentator / Analyst]

Speaking in the BBC series House of Maxwell, which premieres tonight, Hay claimed her relationship with the Duke of York elevated her because it appeared the former socialite, human trafficker, co conspirator, general all around scuzzbag and bipedal serpent had the blessing of the Queen. At this point, I wouldn't doubt if she did. Now, I say that kind of jokingly, but we know that the Queen has been very upfront with her support of Andrew, and one could assume or make the leap if they wanted, that that is implied consent that Andrew is not guilty. Right? That the Queen is approving of him still. Now, I don't know if that's her psyche, and if it is, well, she probably should reevaluate. But the thing is this. Prince Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell in that relationship, it was all leveraged for them to continue with their social climb. And Prince Andrew was happy as hell to go along for the ride. As long as he was benefiting. Getting girls brought to him in London, getting massage therapists snuck into the Buckingham palace money for him and Fergie. You name it, he was getting it. So he was more than willing and more than happy to come along for the ride.

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[Commentator / Analyst]

Prince Andrew denied being a close friend of convicted sex trafficker Maxwell in a legal response to Virginia Roberts, to whom he paid £12 million to settle a US civil sexual assault case. Yeah, he never met Maxwell. They were never homies. Maxwell didn't have access to the Palace. Maxwell wasn't at Balmoral. Maxwell wasn't, you know, snapped. Hanging out at the Palace. None of that ever happened. She was just a, you know, somebody who snuck in. She had such good ninja abilities that she would drop in from the skylight, decked out in a ninja suit with a sword on her back, and dropped smoke bombs everywhere to cover her tracks. The you talking about you weren't close? If you weren't close, then I'm not a big mouth. Her big card was Prince Andrew. That was her main calling card. Everywhere she went, Prince Andrew this, Prince Andrew that said hey. And yeah, look, do not dispute that because look at what ABC did to keep their access to the royals. The royals were a big ass deal up until this whole entire thing blew up. I remember as a kid growing up, my mom used to love the Royal family and you know, she still follows it a little bit, but this leaves a bad taste in everybody's mouth. And you can't get up here and act like they weren't fixtures at your properties all over the uk.

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They were.

[Commentator / Analyst]

They were everywhere. They were all over you. And there is no doubt in my mind that without the relationship between Andrew and Maxwell, that Epstein wouldn't have been able to manipulate his social climb the way he did. So Andrew is a big time enabler here and the Queen by extension also played a role. There is no question Prince Andrew elevated Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. It just gave her this veneer. She's in the Royal Court, she's a friend of the Prince, she has the blessing of the Queen. One would think that, right? And if you were going into business with them and you were one of these naive business people, you would think that those relationships alone are rock solid and enough to situate yourself to a place where you're comfortable making a deal with them or giving them money for something. But really it was all an act. It was all a bit of fakery, right? None of it was real. Their relationship wasn't real. None of it was real. It coated her with a veneer of respectability. But I don't believe the society people I know, whose names I can't even speak because they would kill me, knew.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

We just didn't know.

[Commentator / Analyst]

People weren't paying attention. See, I don't believe that. It's another out. And a lot of these high society reporters who were covering socialites and the

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

posh folk of the Hamptons, the Vicky

[Commentator / Analyst]

Wards of the world, this Mr. Hay, look, a lot of these guys will tell you, oh, we didn't know anything. But how much of it is willful ignorance? How much is it not wanting to look behind the curtain? You mean to tell me seeing Epstein and the rest of these people with young girls all over them all the time, and, and I don't mean just one young girl. Look, if a guy that's Epstein's age, with Epstein's money, gets himself a nice,

[Article Reader / Narrator]

you know, 22, 23 year old girlfriend,

[Commentator / Analyst]

hey, look, that's the way the world goes, right? People like nice, beautiful things. I'm not going to knock a guy for something like that. Hey, whatever. As Long as everybody's consenting. But that's not what we had here. We didn't have a bunch of, you know, 23, 24 year olds. We had girls a lot younger than that and girls that were obviously a lot younger than that. Now they'll tell you differently. Oh, the girls all looked old. All you have to do is listen to what people say who worked at some of these airports. I know, I spoke to people who worked at the airport in New Mexico who talked about how young these girls looked. And we've also heard the same thing in the Virgin Islands and elsewhere. So it's not like it was a big secret. And these reporters and the high life type folk who try and make it out like it was, that's bullshit. There is no evidence any other members of the Royal Family had a relationship with Maxwell. And Andrew previously stated that he had let down the Royal Family by maintaining a relationship with Epstein, but not with Maxwell. They were super close. Remember? Remember how close those two were? Photos emerged last year of Epstein and Maxwell spending time at the Queen's Balmoral residence. And reports in 2019 claimed Ghislaine made several secret visits to Buckingham palace to visit Andrew, just like they were at the White House. So look, it's not like they only had access to Prince Andrew. They had access to American Presidents as well. You think that they didn't manipulate and try and leverage those relationships? Considering we know who Maxwell and Epstein were and that they were power brokers, what would be the purpose of having such powerful friends? I'll leave that up to all of you to figure out. Hay spoke about their relationship in the upcoming documentary House of Maxwell, which charts how Ghislaine Maxwell went from a multi millionaire's daughter to a woman convicted of grooming and trafficking underage girls. The society columnist and PR guru worked as a gossip columnist for the National Enquirer from 1976 to 1983, later writing a monthly society column for Avenue magazine and becoming society editor for Hampton's magazine.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Oh, yeah, you're definitely hanging out and

[Commentator / Analyst]

rubbing shoulders with the caviar eating groups amongst us. You know, most of us, we, you know, go to a function like this. We look around, we're like, what is wrong with these people? Right? Nobody has any desire, at least I know I don't. And nobody I know has any desire to run around in circles with these weirdos, that's for sure. Now I'll take their money, but they could keep the rest of the bullshit. Speaking in the documentary, he said her little black book was everything to her. She dealt in the commerce of introductions. She really was a connector. She had this invisible butterfly net and she would go out in the social scene and capture the beautiful people. She had this posh accent, she was

[Article Reader / Narrator]

well educated, she was witty and she was fun.

[Commentator / Analyst]

And she deliberately set out to make friends with important people. And she used her royal Rolodex to do that 100%. We've established that with the black book. Epstein was not socially driven enough to collect a black book such as that. Sure, some of those people were his friends, but that black book was mainly Maxwell's doing and her collection of rubes and jerks. He said that while Ghislaine was performative, Epstein was quiet and shy and Maxwell acted as a social secretary of sorts for the billionaire pedophile. When Ghislaine Maxwell was in the room, you knew she was there and she wanted you to know she was there. He said she performed. She was on. She was. When she was on, it felt like she was being. Like she was being watched and she wanted to be watched. So she was one of them, right?

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Had to be the center of attention.

[Commentator / Analyst]

The yippity apper at the party. Everybody has to know of her next move, her next scheme, her next plot. Really, what they all were were griffs and scams and ways to snake money from people. But Jeffrey Epstein was another case. He was shy.

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

He didn't really stand out.

[Commentator / Analyst]

So Ghislaine filed the idea of being his social director. It was almost like she was his social secretary. Hay, who also runs a public relations firm, says that Epstein turned to him for advice following his 2008 conviction for solicitation of prostitution involving a minor. Alright, let's fix that real quick. No such thing as prostitution for a minor. Minors cannot consent, so they can't be prostitutes. Jeffrey Epstein calls me. My office freaked out. It was embarrassing to even get the call. Jeffrey wanted crisis management. He wanted advice. So I put on my tie and I trotted over to the house because I wanted to see the house. Oh, well, that's the case. I just, you know, wanted to see the house. So I'm gonna throw on my old

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

tie and head over here.

[Commentator / Analyst]

Like I'm going to give you advice. See, I don't believe all of that. I'm guessing this guy probably went over there to give him some advice. This very grand house, supposedly worth $77 million. And there's this very grand foyer. Foyer with a big curving staircase. I did notice throughout the house there were a lot of very heavy velvet Drapes out walks Jeffrey Hay. Says he had no intention of representing Epstein and he never paid him for advice. So just another guy who was over there. I just wanted to check it out. I wanted to see what was going on. So what was it like when you were there, Mr. Hay? Did you see anything? Were there any young ladies? There? Were any visitors hanging out? The PR guru says he asked him how to avoid having pedophile billionaire engraved on my tombstone. Every story starts off with pedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein. Well, here's one good way not to have that on your tombstone. Don't molest any kids. Don't be a pedophile. Don't be a sick fuck. Pretty simple, right? Look, life is not that hard. We've discussed this, folks. How many times. Get up, take a shower, clean your room, don't do methamphetamine, don't hang out with Jeffrey Epstein. Pretty simple. In some cases, you can't do it, said Hay. You simply can't explain Ghislaine or Jeffrey Epstein. No, you can't. There's no amount of explanation. You'd run out of ink, okay? Not enough ink on this planet to pen an explanation of what Epstein and

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

Maxwell were up to.

[Commentator / Analyst]

You cannot explain it away. I don't care if Jesus himself comes back and works for a PR firm. It is not going to happen. While he never represented Epstein, Hay suggested he meet with the Pope as a way of showing contrition. However, was baffled to discover both Maxwell and the sex offender had already received private audiences with John Paul II at the Vatican in 2003. Why would you be shocked? Why would anyone be shocked? Look, I am someone who grew up as a Roman Catholic, right? I call myself a recovering Catholic nowadays because, well, I haven't been to church and I can't tell you how long. Really not my thing. If that's for somebody to somebody else makes them comfortable and gives them feelings of hope, great. I say go for it. Me, I'm agnostic. But I don't think there is any doubt for anyone paying attention that the Vatican is on some shit and it's one of the main reasons I would never go back to the church. You mean to tell me that that guy in the goofy hat there in Rome is the voice of God? Yeah, okay, sorry, I'm gonna have to pass on that. Or maybe I'm gonna need some mushrooms to get down with that. Because either way, shit just don't jive with me. And then you look at the way they conduct themselves in it and that really doesn't jive with me. You want to help the poor? Open up the vault underneath the Vatican and pass out some of that dough. I said, it starts with really showing contrition, confessing. I said, jeffrey, who better than the highest power on earth in communication with God? Why don't I get you an audience with the Pope? But of course, he's already thought of it years ago. So it's, it's just that easy to get an audience with the Pope. Anyone can just go get an audience with the Pope. A child molester. See how this works, folks. If you have money, you can get an audience with the Pope. If you're poor, you can't get an audience with him. Though it's also obvious how it's such a setup and how these people manipulate every single decision, manipulate every single sector of our lives almost.

[Article Reader / Narrator]

I said, why don't you give money?

[Commentator / Analyst]

There's an arts foundation and people have given away lots and lots of money to whitewash their images. So Ghislaine, of course, started her own charity. As part of their PR charm offensive, Ghislaine launched a marine conservation non Prof. The TerraMar project in early 2012. It was potentially possibly to help the oceans. But what she was really helping was herself. Said Hay, well, no shit. Nice to see this man confirm what we've been talking about. How many of these folks wrapped themselves in that charitable armor that we talk about and then they expect us not to come down hard on them with the hammer when they get caught up in some like this? Well, I have news for you. There is not enough charity work on

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

this planet that can answer for or

[Commentator / Analyst]

whitewash Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein or Prince Andrew. All of them are. There's no saving them, right?

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They're irredeemable and they're just gonna go down in history as that. And Epstein trying to make moves to change what his gravestone would say just goes to show you he knew that there was no hope and he knew that the war was over. As far as the narrative in the public space, the question is, when's Prince

[Podcast Host / Narrator]

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