Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And His Open Wallet Policy At Harvard (6/26/26)

Summary

The Epstein Chronicles: Mega Edition — Jeffrey Epstein and His Open Wallet Policy at Harvard
Episode Date: June 27, 2026 | Host: Bobby Capucci

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Epstein Chronicles dives deep into Harvard University's long and covertly cozy relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, especially focusing on continued institutional complicity after Epstein's 2008 conviction. The discussion is sparked by a recent, scathing editorial by Harvard law professor Lawrence Lessig and buttressed by contemporaneous news coverage and internal reports. Host Bobby Capucci brings his signature unfiltered analysis, refusing to let Harvard’s elite off the hook and demanding institutional accountability.

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Key Discussion Points

1. Harvard’s Review of Its Ties to Epstein & The Lessig Editorial

(00:58–12:41)

• Capucci covers Lawrence Lessig’s recent Harvard Crimson editorial demanding real accountability at Harvard.
  • “It starts on the inside and seeing Lawrence Lessig pen this essay, this editorial here is certainly a step in the right direction.” (01:45, Capucci)
• Critique of Harvard’s official review: Harvard announced a policy after 2008 not to accept Epstein’s money but never adequately policed or terminated ongoing relationships.
  • “They have scapegoated from the jump over at Harvard. None of the people at the top, none of the trustees… have felt the full weight of what occurred.” (04:09, Capucci)
• Lessig points to a recurring pattern where only lower-level academics are scapegoated, with leadership avoiding real consequences.

2. Willful Blindness and Elite Complicity

(04:57–15:29)

• Capucci sharply rejects Harvard’s defense that the depth of Epstein’s crimes were unknown pre-2018.
  • “You’re sitting around with the guys. It’s a poker game. You want to have some crass language, I get it… But in a science conference? Why do you need to have girls with you?” (06:11, Capucci)
• The opacity between Harvard’s “ban” on Epstein and the reality of him funding research, socializing with faculty, and enjoying full privileges on campus years after 2008.
  • Quote from Lessig’s editorial, as read by Capucci: “There was no real change in the practical relationship that Epstein had to Harvard beyond his ability to write Harvard a check.” (15:01, Lessig/Capucci)

3. The Program for Evolutionary Dynamics (PED) as Ground Zero

(12:41–20:19)

• Epstein funded Harvard’s Program for Evolutionary Dynamics (PED) and, per Capucci, used it as his “second office.”
  • “[Epstein] traveled to Cambridge regularly to meet with Harvard’s most luminary, including Summers… Not exclusively at PED. Those meetings are described as interesting and intellectual… There’s no suggestion they involved any inappropriate behavior, well beyond… the inappropriateness of including Epstein himself.” (13:10, Capucci)
• Martin Nowak, PED’s academic director, became the scapegoat as the only figure disciplined, despite following university direction to secure “donations” through Epstein’s network, including from Leon Black.
  • “So we want Epstein’s money, but we don’t want the stink of Epstein on it. So let’s have Epstein middleman it and get some of his rich a-hole homies to fill the void.” (17:04, Capucci)

4. Administrative Culpability and “Moral Clarity” Failures

(20:17–36:06)

• Capucci lambasts Harvard President Lawrence Bacow and other leaders for putting blame on individuals while absolving the broader administration.
  • “Everybody involved, everybody that was around, if they’re still there, if they’re still drawing these gigantic ass paychecks at this overpriced, once great university, they should all be fired. A new broom sweeps clean.” (20:19, Capucci)
• Systemic failures: After Epstein’s conviction, Harvard simply let Nowak continue managing the program with Epstein as a benefactor, and relied on “internal investigations” that protect senior leadership.
  • “None of these people have stepped down or lost their positions or lost tenure or lost anything like that. Instead, a few of the people who were getting that money directly from Epstein ended up being the only people to take the fall.” (04:22, Capucci)

5. The Daily Mail Article — Concrete Details on Academia’s Enabling

(39:53–65:07)

• Capucci and co-host dissect a Daily Mail exposé confirming Nowak gave Epstein keys, an office, even “his own Harvard phone line,” and posted laudatory content at Epstein’s PR’s request.
  • “Martin Nowak...provided Epstein with a campus key card which allowed him to visit more than 40 times between 2010 and 2018, the report states.” (50:04, Co-host quoting article)
• Harsh words for the faculty and staff who allowed the situation:
  • “These people are horrendous. And the way they covered up their relationship with Jeffrey Epstein for so long is enough to make your head spin… These, these so called higher education institutions, these Ivy League schools are the absolute worst in my opinion.” (40:10, Capucci)
• Capucci attacks Harvard’s repeated toothless promises to “improve procedures” only after media pressure.
  • “It shouldn’t need outside pressure from content creators, legacy media and survivors to do the right thing. A place like Harvard...should have, at the very least, a bit of a moral compass.” (55:57, Capucci)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Institutional Responsibility

• “If the people that are within these institutions aren’t holding their peers and each other responsible for their behavior, then how can anybody on the outside ever expect for that to occur?”
  — Bobby Capucci (01:22)

On Elite Moral Bankruptcy

• “Yeah, because that’s what the elite do… That’s a class of sick ass people. A whole group of people who literally have zero morals and who do not care about anything that does not increase their wealth or their power.”
  — Bobby Capucci (21:05)

On the Scapegoating of Martin Nowak

• “And thus we the community, are allowed the comfortable view that Drew Fost got it right in 2008 and the university followed her lead, even if a very few among us apparently didn’t get the memo… That doesn’t cut it with me. Sorry.”
  — Bobby Capucci (25:34)

On Harvard’s PR Responses

• “Lip service is nice and all, but what are you doing for the survivors? Have you reached out to them as a university to apologize?”
  — Bobby Capucci (56:40)

On Academia’s Enabling, in General

• “These academics are just as sick as their buddies in the financial sector, it seems… Without them enabling Jeffrey Epstein, there would have been no way Epstein would have been able to act.”
  — Podcast Co-host (48:33)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:58: Capucci introduces the Lessig editorial, Harvard’s ongoing self-exoneration.
• 04:09: Explanation of Harvard’s scapegoating and lack of accountability for top leadership.
• 13:10: The mechanics of Epstein’s ongoing involvement post-2008.
• 17:04: Details how Harvard continued soliciting donations through Epstein’s social network.
• 20:17–20:19: Host's call for Harvard’s wholesale leadership to be fired.
• 25:34: Critique of Harvard’s refusal to release names or undertake comprehensive accountability.
• 39:53: Daily Mail article breakdown; confirmation of Epstein’s office, phone, and regular access.
• 48:00–49:28: Discussion on the significance of Nowak enabling Epstein’s image rehabilitation.
• 55:57: Capucci’s point on Harvard only making procedural changes after media and survivor pressure.
• 65:07: Capucci and co-host summarize broader implications for Harvard, MIT, and other elite institutions.

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Conclusion & Host’s Final Thoughts

• Capucci applauds Lessig’s public stand but stresses it’s not enough: “Somebody finally connected to Harvard, somebody with a serious voice on campus calling his colleagues to account... I think that Nowak needs to be disciplined, needs to be punished. But everybody does. The story of chapter two at Harvard is not the story of one bad apple. It is of an institution blinded by what? Money, brilliance, celebrity.” (36:06)
• The episode closes with a call for real accountability—not just for ‘scapegoats’ but for Harvard’s elite and warning listeners that the fight for transparency and justice around Epstein’s network is far from over.

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Overall Tone

Unapologetically critical, highly skeptical of institutional statements, and laser-focused on the hypocrisy and moral failures of elite academia. Capucci does not mince words—taking Harvard, its faculty, and the broader “elite” to task for enabling Epstein.

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Transcript

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[Bobby Capucci]

Everybody, and welcome to the program. We're gonna get right into it tonight. Considering this is a relatively long article, it's really an editorial that was posted by Lawrence Lessig over at the Harvard Crimson. Now, Lawrence Lessig is the R.L. fuhrman professor of Law and Leadership at at Harvard, and he's taking Harvard to task in this editorial. Folks, I've been calling for this kind of rhetoric for quite some time, and very few people in academia were willing to stand up and say anything about this stuff. Dr. Stephen Delay was one of the very few. So it's nice to see Lawrence Lessig show up to the party. I mean, a little late obviously, but still, what do I always talk about? If the people that are within these institutions aren't holding their peers and each other responsible for their behavior, then how can anybody on the outside ever expect for that to occur? So it starts on the inside and seeing Laura, seeing Lawrence Lessig pen this essay, this editorial here is certainly a step in the right direction. So let's jump right into it and let's see what he has to say. This appeared in the Harvard Crimson. Author is Lawrence Lessig. Harvard has apparently concluded its review of its relationship to the convicted child sex offender Jeffrey e. Epstein. In September 2019, after expressing that he profoundly regrets Harvard's association with Epstein, University president Lawrence S. Bakehow promised to review how we prevent these situations in the future. And what did we get like usual when it comes to these internal reports, or we're gonna have a real reflective look in the mirror and. And we're going to see how we can be better. Whenever it's that kind of stuff, it usually falls flat on its face. At least with my Experience here in the Epstein case. Every single time one of these groups does a internal review, it always turns out to be absolute garbage. The report found Harvard had taken no money from Epstein after his conviction, though there were further questions that merited study. Two weeks ago, after completing that study, Harvard determined to shutter the research center Epstein's money had founded and discipline its academic director. Yet in these steps, Harvard has still not given us a fair accounting of our past. Worse, in this latest step, it hides that account behind a scapegoat. And that is definitely the case. They have scapegoated from the jump over at Harvard. None of the people at the top, none of the trustees, Lawrence Bacow, none of these other people that are, you know, top dog at Harvard, people that are supposed to be responsible for this sort of thing. None of these people have felt the. The. The full weight of what occurred. None of them have stepped down or lost their positions or lost tenure or lost anything like that. Instead, a few of the people who were getting that money directly from Epstein ended up being the only people to take the fall. And while they should have, right, the people that facilitated the Epstein money in the first place, the scientists that he was collecting and that were taking money from him, all of those sons of bitches should have lost their jobs for sure. They should have lost tenure. They should have lost everything honestly. But the same goes for the people above them. Is there no accountability when it comes to the management level, so to say, in this situation, is it just the professors who should be sanctioned, who should lose their jobs or should everybody who was around at that time, everybody who, who should have seen what was going on, who didn't, either willfully or because they're morons. All of those people should not be in the positions that they're in. There are plenty of capable people to fill those positions. There are three chapters in the evolving relationship between academic institutions and Jeffrey Epstein. In the first, before his conviction in 2008, everyone loves Epstein. And that is the case. All of these people were gushing over Epstein. Remember the Vanity Fair article? You know, these people were gushing over Epstein. And they'll tell you now that, oh, we had no idea what Jeffrey Epstein was. We there. There was no signs. Nobody had any idea. Meanwhile, we know that's a bunch of bs, right? We all know that that's garbage. Epstein didn't wake up one morning and decide to become an absolute scumbag pervert. This is who he was. This is the kind of person he was. This was his character. All of those Crass jokes while you guys are all around at a science conference that didn't ring a few alarm bells? I mean, come on already. There's a time and place for everything. You know, you're sitting around with the guys. It's a poker game. You want to have some crass language. I get it. Yeah, of course. That's what guys do. I get it. You're at a science conference. Why do you need to have girls with you? Why do you need to talk about disgusting topics that, you know, these. There's no place for it in the. In the. In the environment or the setting? And that didn't ring any. The alarm bells didn't go off for anybody. It didn't ring any alarm bells for any of these people. Please, give me a break. I'm just, you know, I'm so sick of the. Well, we had no idea. We didn't hear anything. We didn't see anything. Well, you certainly didn't say anything. In the third, after the 2018 article in the Miami Herald detailing his depravity. Everyone hates Epstein. Hey, hold on a second. You guys should have hated him. Long time before that, this stuff was out there. People were talking about who Epstein was. There was a lot going on in that realm of the atmosphere. People knew exactly what Epstein was. It didn't take the Julie Brown article to let people know what Jeffrey Epstein was. The Julie Brown article that got people to start paying attention. But in the second, there is an ambiguous dance between this generous funder pedophile and universities that recognize complexity in taking his money. See, and that was. That's one of my biggest problems with this. They knew it was wrong to take old boy's dough, but they did it anyway. And then when they're called out on it, they start with the whole nonsense of, well, what do you mean? We had no idea. You knew. Everybody knew. You took that money anyway. And what you thought was that Jeffrey Epstein was in the clear. He did his time. They weren't going to come get him again because of all of his connections. There was no way that was going to occur. So these dudes hopped right back into bed with him, had their hand out, and Jeffrey Epstein was handing out the hundreds of thousands. In 2008, former university president Drew G. Faust resolved that complexity with clarity, but incompletely. Unlike others, such as mit, Faust determined that Harvard would take no more money from Epstein, according to the May 2020 report. Yeah, okay. But very much like others, including MIT, she gave no directive about how the many other ways that Epstein was connected to the university should be affected by her determination. Of course, she didn't go all the way. You know what that's called, Mr. Lessig, I'm pretty sure. You know, you're a very skilled lawyer, very intelligent man, well schooled, much more well schooled than me, that's for sure. But the cynic in me says it was left there on purpose as a loophole so they could still get that money while retaining plausible deniability. In particular, she gave no guidance about how the center that Epstein's main contribution to Harvard had established, the program on Evolutionary Dynamics, should negotiate its continued interactions with Epstein. And I'm sure that Mr. Lessig here

[Podcast Co-host]

is going to give us a different

[Bobby Capucci]

avenue and a different bit of thought. But for me, the cynic in me, and I'm sorry I have to be so cynical when dealing with this case, but. But the track record has made it so. So it looks to me like this is a loophole that she left in there so that the professors could still continue to rake in the dough while the university at the same time could say, well, look, we have these, these guidelines in place. We're not involved in that. We didn't know anything about it. So it was kind of a, you know, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, kind of in particular, oh, we passed that.

[Podcast Co-host]

Excuse me.

[Bobby Capucci]

Because from the start, Epstein was constantly engaged with PED and with others through ped. And that's the program on evolutionary dynamics. That's the way that they talk about it, you know, when they abbreviate it, it's called the ped.

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[Bobby Capucci]

According to a letter that Martin Nowak, the PED's academic director, sent to administrators when the center was founded, Harvard's then president, Lawrence H. Somers. Huh, that name sounds familiar, doesn't it? Got Epstein to pay the rent for ped's office. Not on Harvard's campus, but in commercial space in Harvard Square. And you all remember Larry Summers, right? Lawrence H. Summers, Good friend of Obama's. You know, one of those guys? Yeah, Larry Summers. Typical academia scuzzball. From the beginning, Epstein treated that space as a second office in Cambridge. Epstein traveled to Cambridge regularly to meet with Harvard's most luminary, including Summers. Regularly, but not exclusively at ped. Those meetings are described as interesting and intellectual in Nowak's letter. There is no suggestion they involved any inappropriate behavior, well beyond of course the inappropriateness of including Epstein himself. So I'm certainly not laying out the charges that there is inappropriate behavior as far as abusing girls here. I'll leave that to some of the other fantasists that are floating around. What I am saying though is Larry Summers is an absolute jerk, an absolute scuzzball and an absolute moron. Larry Summers is the kind of guy that epitomizes everything that was wrong with academia and their relationship with Epstein. Politically connected, locked in at the university, top of his field, and the exact kind of guy Jeffrey Epstein loved hanging around. These soirees continued long after the 2008 ban on raising Epstein money. The question is why? Some thought the ban would be temporary. Some hoped Epstein's reputation might be restored. Alright, hold on, hit the brakes. Restored his reputation. Restored, huh? Again, we're not talking about somebody who was involved in a money, a money scam here. We're not talking about somebody who got into a fight in the bar and things went too far and the person he was fighting with got hurt severely. You know, you people make mistakes, right? You can forgive mistakes is what I'm trying to get at. But this is no gray area mistake. This is no. Ah man, I really, I really, really screwed up this time.

[Podcast Co-host]

Wasn't.

[Bobby Capucci]

That's not, that's not what this was. This was human trafficking of children. Point blank, period. Some believed it morally obligatory to give a criminal a chance at redemption. And that's such BS too. All of these elites love to Talk about that. But what have they done to really give people who need a second chance a second chance? The dude that got popped for selling some pot, guy on the corner who got nailed with some crack, who's doing a lot longer than the dude who had the same amount of powdered coke. Where are they to help these people out? Nowhere to be found, are they. They love the bloviate and they love the virtue signal, but they don't love to strap on their boots and get down to work. Nowak was told as much by his spiritual advisor, which he shared in his letter to the administration. His spiritual advisor, huh? I mean, are you really. Your spiritual advisor told you that you should help Jeffrey Epstein refurbish his image, huh? To talk about passing the buck? Talk about absolutely passing the buck. Whatever the reason, the reality is that there was no real change in the practical relationship that Epstein had to Harvard beyond his ability to write Harvard a check. The meetings continued. The relationships grew deeper. The conversations on and near campus were many. And there are just tons and tons of people who have talked about this, who have witnessed it, and it's in their report itself. So there's no denying Jeffrey Epstein's presence on the campus and around these professors. What continued as well was PEDs need for money. Like Epstein's, PED's rent was substantial. Nowak reports that at first, after Foss ban, Harvard had agreed to assume it. But after the financial crisis, Nowak was informed that he would have to raise it himself. So again, Harvard is not getting off the hook here, at least not with me. Some people might let him off the hook, but not me. They're the institution here. They're the ones where the buck stops. So after the financial meltdown, you clowns didn't have the money to fund this department, so you told this professor it's up to him to do it himself. And then there was no checks and balances. Like you had never seen Epstein's name before. All of it smacks of absolute bs. Foundations usually don't give academic grantees money to cover rent. So everyone knew those additional funds would have to be like Epstein's from private individuals. An FAS Development Office staff member encouraged Nowak as late as 2017 to ask Epstein to ask his friends to help, according to the May 2020 report. So we want Epstein's money, but we don't want the stink of Epstein on it. So let's have Epstein middleman it and get some of his rich a hole homies to fill the void, and then that'll Give us the COVID we need. Because we could say, well, Epstein didn't

[Podcast Co-host]

give us the money.

[Bobby Capucci]

Insert scumbag here did. As late as 2017 to ask Epstein to ask his friends to help Nowak followed Harvard's direction. Epstein obliged, securing substantial support from his friend. Oh, here's a name that all of you are going to know. Leon D. Black, among others. So you see, the Leon Black story just keeps getting deeper and deeper, though quicksand has a hold. And we talked about this months ago, months and months and months ago, that Leon Black was in this up to his ears and that he has some explaining to do. Now you add on the new allegations against Leon Black. Oh yeah, old boy is up the up the creek right now without a paddle. There's no doubt about that. Throughout this period, apparently no one with any authority, certainly not the university, not its former president Summers, not its development office, not the dozen or so Harvard's most elite, saw any inappropriateness in this ongoing academic relationship. And that right there says it all. Everybody involved, everybody that was around, if

[Podcast Co-host]

they're still there, if they're still drawing

[Bobby Capucci]

these gigantic ass paychecks at this overpriced, once great university, they should all be fired. A new broom sweeps clean. What they should do is get Morgan Freeman's character from that Stand By Me movie and have him show up at Harvard and whip these guys into shape. Despite the obvious harm that a sex offender could trigger in the members of our community who themselves might have been victims of sexual abuse, the elite of Harvard's elite continue to nurture a relationship with a sex offender. Yeah, because that's what the elite do. I hate to be the bearer of bad news for anyone who holds these people up on high, but the so called elite, yeah, that's a class of sick ass people. A whole group of people who literally have zero morals and who do not care about anything that does not increase their wealth or their power. And that's not just me saying it. Their actions bear it out. Despite the clarity of all of our views. Now, they apparently saw no wrong in what all of them were doing then. At least until chapter three, when all worked diligently to forget what had happened between 2008 and 2018. Yo, Lessig is going hard in the pain here. He's leaving. He's really shooting from the hip and giving all of these guys the business, as he should. It's about time someone at Harvard stood up and did the right thing.

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[Bobby Capucci]

Harvard's May 2020 report celebrated Faust's moral clarity, but it identified some details that required further investigation. In March, Harvard completed that determination. It did not release any public accounting. Instead, its conclusions were shared internally by email to the affected departments. Predictably, that email was leaked. And in this day and age, if you have some sort of explosive email and you're in a situation like at an institution like Harvard, you have to expect that the email is getting leaked. So you better be on your game. Be on your P's and Q's and say exactly what you want to say in that email. The effect was completely foreseeable. Airbrushed from the history are the many Harvard luminaries who participated in and encouraged the ongoing relationship with Epstein after 2008. Left standing alone as Nowak Ped's academic director who is now to be disciplined. And disciplined is in quotes, he's not wrong. No act while should be why he should be disciplined and he should be in big trouble for all of this and like I said, lose his job. In my opinion, all of these other people need to lose their jobs too. What's protecting them that they're a trustee? That they're so called part of the elite? Enough already with these people. And thus we the community, are allowed the comfortable view that Drew Fost got it right in 2008 and the university followed her lead, even if a. Even if a very few among us apparently didn't get the memo. So kind of a cover right for Harvard here with that statement. Oh, it's not the whole institution. We got it right with what Foss said. But there are still, still some institutions.

[Podcast Co-host]

Yes.

[Bobby Capucci]

That doesn't, that doesn't cut it with me. Sorry. Everybody who was around. Let me be very clear. Everybody who was around, who was involved when Epstein donated that money, they all need to be fired. Yet this framing is absurd. And its lie is revealed in the thinness of the charges against Martin Nowak. Because Nowak has not been punished for associating with Epstein. How could he be when so many others from Harvard, much more famous and prominent, had associated with Epstein as well? And again, it comes back to. For me, anyway, this is a Harvard problem, folks. Something stinks at that university. And I wouldn't spend one red cent to send my child there. Not one cent. It is absurd what occurred in those alleged hallowed halls. Neither has he been punished because he asked Epstein to help him address PED's funding needs by securing donations from Epstein's friend Leon Black. How could he be when Harvard's Development office itself asked Novak to ask Epstein for help? And there's the rub of it, right? And he gets to the heart of the issue, in my opinion. And that is everybody who is there, everybody involved, all of these people that are hitting us with virtuous signaling, okay? The virtue signaling has to stop by these people. Somebody has to take responsibility for what occurred. You're all making big bucks. And with that big money comes big responsibility. Or it should. Rather, Nowak is being disciplined because of offenses that are plenty, not offenses at all, or that when committed, were not viewed as anything more than simple mistakes. The most extraordinary of these is the charge and Faculty of Arts and Sciences Dean Claudine Gay's notification to Nowak, which states that he exhibited profound negligence in misrepresenting the source of PEDs matching funds to one of his funding sources, the Templeton Foundation. This is a gross misrepresentation in itself. Yeah, I agree. Not a big fan of Claudine Gay or the way she handled this. And to make Nowak the scapegoat and the only one really getting punished is laughable considering we know the relationship somebody like Larry Summers had with Jeffrey Epstein. If they were to sanction everybody at Harvard who had a relationship with Epstein, those would be some empty ass halls, folks. The May report had speculated this might have happened. But Noak's emails with the Templeton foundation reveal that the precise words used to report his funding were actually requested by the foundation. The Templeton foundation was neither confused or misled, meaning there could be no misrepresentation. So they knew nothing was misrepresented to them. They knew exactly what they were getting into. They knew what the money was for, and they knew where the money originated. They did not care. And that's really what it comes down to. That's what it boils down to. The balance is just as Weak. From the very start, Harvard knew Epstein treated ped as a second office. According to the May 2020 report, Harvard knew as early as 2006 that Epstein even had his own phone. So again, Epstein is set up. Got this office. Larry Summers sets that up, got himself a phone line. He's Mr. Big Shit on the campus of Harvard now. Yeah, I'm Jeffrey Epstein. Brr. College dropout. Drop out here, drop out there, but got myself a fellowship at Harvard. What an absolute joke. And what disrespect to the people who actually work hard for those fellowships. According to Nowak, Summers walked with Epstein as he secured access to ped's offices with his own key card. Not once did he or the university say that this access was wrong with or must end. But now Nowak is to be disciplined. In part because PED gave Epstein a different key card after the Harvard access system had changed. So even after they changed the system, the access system, even after, you know, they. They updated the. The locks, they had to make sure their boy Epstein was taken care of. Right? They had to make sure their golden ticket was taken care of. They had to make sure Jeffrey was all right. Sure. I guess one could say that a university wide change in security protocols was meant to signal to PED that it should stop granting Epstein access to the PED offices. But wouldn't a memo from the administration have been a clearer way to send that message? Well, they got money to burn there, obviously. I mean, with the, The. The insane amount of money they charge the students, that every single toilet bowl should be gold plated. They should all be eating five star meals every night in the commissary. And, you know, whatever the. The top Egyptian count sheets are, they gotta have those. This is Harvard, after all. Finally, Nowak is to be disciplined because the center allowed Epstein's biography to appear on PED's webpage after Epstein's publicist requested it. Of course, the story of center benefactors commonly appear on center webpages. Of course they do. That's part of it, right? What do you think? These guys donate all of this money and they don't get anything on the flipback? Of course they do. But during a period in which Harvard was inviting Jeffrey Epstein to the launch of its capital campaign, and the most elite of the elite at Harvard were regularly meeting with Epstein at PED and around Cambridge. FAS blames Nowak for failing to recognize that it was a misuse of the harvard.edu domain to reveal Epstein as a friend of Ped. It wasn't wrong to take his money. Okay, Wasn't wrong to use him as a benefactor. Wasn't wrong to give him an office. But it was wrong to let everybody know that. All about saving face. It's never about the people who were affected. It's never about the girls who were abused or anything like that. You would think with as much involvement people from Harvard have that they'd start their own sort of program here where they'd offer free courses to these gals. None of these offenses would have even been noticed. But for Harvard's need to appear vigilant, if only against one of the very many who continue to engage Epstein at Harvard after 2008, that one its scapegoat. It was wrong for Harvard to continue any association with Epstein after 2008. No one should be forced to live or work in an environment that celebrates in any way a man who crossed this critical line. Or woman at that, for that matter. Let's, let's be very clear. 38% of people who are engaging in trafficking are women. All right, we went through that report already. But the point stands. Nobody should feel uncomfortable at work. Nobody should feel uncomfortable at school and this environment. I'll tell you what, not an environment I'd want my people in, that's for sure. Sex abuse is permanent. Its survivors carry its costs forever. All of them are entitled at the very least to an environment that does not trigger retraumatization. To have suffered from the likes of an Epstein and then see Harvard's most elite, most elite hanging with Epstein is to add injury to insult. And that is a fact. That is definitely a fact. And it's no different. Let's be very clear with Kamala Harris hanging out with Bill Clinton. We have to be consistent here, right? None of these dudes should be given air to breathe if they're involved in this sort of thing. And this wrong is about much more than funding.

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It's about the continuing relationship with so many at Harvard. Our accounting for that is wildly incomplete, and it betrays the truth and a commitment to institutional integrity to allow Harvard to stand as innocent as. While one faculty member went rogue. And I. I. Look, I couldn't agree more with what he's saying here, folks. I think that no act needs to be disciplined, needs to be punished. But everybody does. I just want. I want to drive that point home. The story of chapter two at Harvard is not the story of one bad apple. It is of an institution blinded by what? Money, brilliance, celebrity. From what seems to us now as an obvious moral truth. Of course, we were right not to take Epstein's money after 2008, but we were deeply wrong to continue to celebrate him at Harvard in all the ways that so many of the most prominent, prominent among us did. That is powerful. And he's calling to account all of his colleagues on campus who took part in refurbishing this guy's image and helping him have this access. That wrong is not excused or hidden with a scapegoat. We need an honest accounting of that past and a plan for how Harvard will avoid this failure in the future. Should all criminals be banished? Always. Should particular criminals, those whose crimes particularly affect members of the Harvard community, be banished?

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Always.

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And by always, I don't mean for any purpose. An event at which a criminal was asked to reflect on at least some crimes or even offer his justification could be different, at least if properly framed. From a workshop in which the criminal is just one more participant, celebrated only or especially because he happens to be rich. These are hard questions, no doubt, especially in an age of tweet length and attention spans. Boy, can I get a clap from the back of the room there. That is exactly the age we're in, the attention span of a tweet. But it betrays our tradition to hide from these more complicated questions simply because some might misunderstand. We are a university that openly and eagerly engaged with a child sex predator, not just before he was convicted, but long after. How did our culture allow this to happen. And how can we now allow this failure to be obscured by scapegoating just one? Yes, Harvard's virtue has been signaled to anyone blind to what actually happened right here among us. But the vice of what happened, the open and regular engagement with a sex offender, has not been reckoned here. It is that which Harvard must finally account for openly, fairly and honestly. Well, folks, there you have it. Somebody finally connected to Harvard, somebody with a serious voice on campus calling his colleagues to account. If you'd like to contact me, you can do [e-mail] that's B O B B Y C A P U c c I protonmail.com youm can also find me on Twitter b b ycapucci all of the links that go with this episode can be found in the description box.

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We're going to talk about Harvard and Jeffrey Epstein now. Everybody listening to this podcast, everybody following this case knows for a fact that Jeffrey Epstein had a very, very comfortable and cozy relationship with many, many scientists. And a good portion of those scientists and academics were based at Harvard. Now the other day, when the 11th Court, the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals made their ruling, I said right away, why is there a judge from Harvard overseeing this ruling? Now, even if Judge Newsom is completely not tainted and he's unbiased and all of that jazz, it's about optics. Don't these people understand that optics matter? There should have been a different judge who sat on that panel. Not somebody with ties to Harvard, not somebody who could have had ties to any of these people that Epstein was funding. It's just, it's, it's ridiculous on its face that a judge from Harvard would be tasked to sit on the three judge panel. You're telling me there's not another judge on that panel that could have, that could have sat for that hearing? Harvard is an absolute den of scum and villainy in my opinion. These people are horrendous. And the way that they covered up their relationship with Jeffrey Epstein for so long is enough to make your head spin. Anybody who's sending their kid to Harvard at this point, I don't even know what to tell you. Talk about a waste of money, plenty of better universities to send your children at this point. These, these so called higher education institutions, these Ivy League schools are the absolute worst in my opinion. The absolute worst. And we see it time and time again when we hear stories like this and we hear about how Jeffrey Epstein was associated with all of these high profile universities and he had an office at Harvard and he was given this one money, and he was donating money to this program, and he was dropped, dropping off Gucci bags full of dough to this one. You know, come on, enough is enough already. And these are the same institutions that will stand atop their ivory towers and scream down at the rest of us about how we should live our lives. The party's over for them as well. The academics are on notice. We've been talking about the academics on this podcast from the jump. These people are the kind of folks that are usually sliding underneath the spotlight. But what we've learned in this case is that these academics are just as sick as their buddies in the financial sector, it seems. So let's jump into this article by the Daily Mail and see what they have to say. This article is from the Daily Mail. The author is Francis Mulraney. Headline, Harvard math professor is placed on leave for giving Jeffrey Epstein his own office on campus and allowing the school's website to be used to burnish the pedophile's reputation after his 2008 conviction review finds. Now, again, remember, this is after his first conviction, folks, okay? We're not talking about previously where they can make pretend and at least try and make the case. Well, we didn't know he hadn't been arrested. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. No, this is after the fact that this is how corrupt people are when it comes to money. They don't care who's going to fund their science or who is giving them an endowment as long as they're getting the money, as long as their projects moving forward. To hell with what the person has done previously in their lives. Who cares if they're a child molester, a sex trafficker? Nah, no big deal. Give me some of your money. And then these people are shocked when it comes out and there's an uproar and the public is enraged. I don't. I don't understand what planet these people think they live on, but they're certainly not living on planet Earth. They have a completely separate reality from the rest of us, and that's where they live. And within their reality, all of their actions make sense. Meanwhile, any civilized person who's taking a look at their actions knows that. That these people are sick and twisted. A Harvard math professor was placed on administrative leave Friday after a damning new report claimed he had continued to maintain an office on campus for convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, even after the deceased financier's pedophile's 2008 sex crimes conviction. Martin Nowak, the lead on Harvard's Program for Evolutionary Dynamics provided Epstein with a campus key card which allowed him to visit more than 40 times between 2010 and 2018, the report states. Now imagine you're a parent and you send your kid to Harvard thinking they're going to get this great education. They're going to be, you know, 10 steps ahead of everybody else who didn't go to Harvard, et cetera, et cetera. And they show up and they have Martin Nowak as one of their professors. Well, because they have Martin Nowak as one of their professors, they're now exposed to Jeffrey Epstein as a parent. Do you think you would be comfortable with that? I know I certainly wouldn't be. A convicted sex offender having an office on the Harvard campus, running around with a bunch of girls that are, you know, 18, 19 years old. This is a good idea. And for the Harvard brass to act like they had no idea. That's ridiculous. There needs to be a purging of the board at Harvard. The same way the New York Academy of Art needs to be purged. These people are sick. A room in the department was established as Jeffrey's office in Epstein, who died by apparent suicide in Manhattan jail in 2019. Even had his own Harvard phone line again. So for the higher ups to know, to act like they didn't know what was going on. It's a joke. Okay, so who set up the phone line? The IT department. So the IT director didn't know what was going on? The IT director didn't kick that up. These investigations are a bunch of bs, all right? These investigations, we never see the people in charge get in trouble. With these internal investigations, what we see is the low hanging fruit. The easy person to act is who they go after. Never the CEO, never the trustees, none of that shit. It's always the professor. Like it's just the professor's fault. Now, don't get me wrong. Nowak should shoulder a majority of the blame for bringing Epstein around. But what about his bosses? Is there no responsibility for those who are overseeing the department?

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A report added that NOWAC also signed off on false flattering statements about Epstein for the school's website as the deceased financier pedophile attempted to rehabilitate his Image after his 2008 conviction for soliciting sex from an underage girl. And again, how many times do we talk about enablers on the podcast? We have different rings of people who helped Jeffrey Epstein do what he did. And Nowak is definitely an enabler. He helped to rehabilitate his image. He gave him an office on Harvard.

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He gave him the credibility of Jeffrey Epstein, saying, well, I'm invited back to Harvard. Why won't you invite me to your party? If they let me at Harvard? I mean, how bad can I be? And you see, this is the problem with all of the enablers, and this is why all of the enablers must be called out. Because without their actions, without them enabling Jeffrey Epstein, Epstein would have. No, no, there would have been no way Epstein would have been able to act, been active the way he was, and conduct business the way he did. The professor's alleged actions came after the then Harvard president had barred the school from accepting any further donations from Epstein in 2008. So they don't have any control over what's going on, is what they're saying. The president of the board had. Has no, no say on. On who has an office at Harvard or how their professors conduct themselves or who they associate with. What are you trying to say here?

[Bobby Capucci]

Are you trying to say that Harvard,

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there's, there's no leadership structure and everybody just does what they want? Because for the last 11 years, nobody said shit about this. Now all of a sudden it's a big problem, huh? Now all of a sudden, Harvard cares? You're not fooling me, Harvard. You don't care. It's all about optics at this point. It's all about saving face. You never cared about the survivors, and you still don't care about the survivors. Epstein pumped 9.2 million in donations into the university between 1998 and 2007, according to the month long investigation carried out by Harvard's general counsel and an outside law firm. Again, Harvard's general counsel. So you're telling me that the internal lawyer for Harvard is going to give this a look and give it a real unbiased look and not care if Harvard leaves with a black eye? Yeah. Okay. Who's paying his salary, folks? That's right. Harvard. Do you really think this man is going to do a pristine job or this woman is going to do a pristine job of looking into this case and, and unfurling all of the facts as they are, or are they going to hide a couple of things, put something in their pocket? We'll report this, but we won't report that. Now, I'm not saying that's what happened because I don't know. What I am saying though is I do not believe for a second that we can believe that a place like Harvard or Yale or any of these corporations is going to be transparent when they're investigating themselves. He was known for using his money to gain access to academics, professing an interest in science. And he earned a reputation for funding some of America's most prestigious institutions, such as MIT and Harvard. Yeah, we know that. And it wasn't just those institutions either. There were a lot of state universities that he was involved with. We know that at Arizona State with Lawrence Krauss, he had involvement there as well as we touched on recently. So it's not just the most prestigious institutions, it's any institution where Jeffrey Epstein feels like he felt like he could get a foothold and benefit from a relationship with a university. In return, Epstein was welcomed onto campuses and given the opportunity to meet with faculty. He would also invite academics to his private Caribbean island. Oh, I'm sure he would. Because as you all know, in my opinion, all of these academics, for the most part, are just as sick as his political buddies. You're telling me all of these nerds, and that's what these academics are, folks, make no mistake that all of these nerds who never got girls in high school, probably never got girls in college, get invited to Jeffrey Epstein's island. And there's all these beautiful girls running around and Epstein says, you can, you know, the island is yours. You're telling me that these dudes weren't involved? They didn't know what was going on? They didn't know that there was a bunch of young girls running around this island? Give me a break. Give me a break. And we already know about guys like Minsky. We already know what Virginia Roberts has said about Marvin Minsky. And to think that any of these other academics or scientists weren't partaking as well. I don't believe that. In my opinion, there's zero chance that that was occurring. The report published Friday expanded on what was already known about Epstein's link with Harvard, claiming that his presence on campus continued even after the university's then president, Drew Gilpin. Drew. Excuse me, Drew Gilpin. Faust barred any more donations from the pedophile. About $200,000 of the funding provided by Epstein before the cutoff in 2008 remains unspent, the school said, and will be given to groups that support victims of sexual violence. And that's always their go to, right? It's gonna be given to groups that support sexual violence or human trafficking. Who are these groups? Alright, why. Why don't all of these. These. These people who accepted money from Jeffrey Epstein get in contact with the lawyers of the survivors and try and coordinate with them to see where this money should go. Maybe the survivors have a charity that this money should be donated to. You know, the people directly affected by your decisions at Harvard. Maybe you should try and help those people out. The report found that while Harvard's top leaders cut ties with Epstein in 2008, he maintained close ties with Novak, with Nowak, a math professor and director of the Program for Evolutionary Dynamics, a research center created in 2003 with six and a half million dollars from Epstein. So it wasn't just a funded project. Okay, folks, he created the division. He put up six and a half million dollars in seed money to create the division at Harvard. Now, you mean to tell me that none of the presidents, none of the trustees, none of the board members knew who Jeffrey Epstein was or what he was up to? I know this was in 2003, but come on, the rumors were already swirling and yet Harvard had no problem sliding right into bed with this serpent. It's. It's one of those cases where it's just. You look at it and you say to yourself, how is it even possible that something like this could even occur? I mean, it's just. It's just crazy, folks. It is just crazy as hell. Noak gave Epstein an office at the program's building in Harvard Square. The review found and circumvented campus security rules to grant the financier pedophile a key card and unlimited access to the facility. Now, we know from firsthand accounts from Maria Farmer and others that Ghislaine Maxwell used to love to cruise places like Central park looking for nubiles. Now, you mean to tell me that a campus like Harvard wouldn't be prime hunting ground for Jeffrey Epstein and his stooges to try and lure girls into his atmosphere with these, these promises and all of these pipe dreams that he loved to pass out? It's a very uncomfortable thought to think that a sexual predator and a man like Jeffrey Epstein had access to a camp like Harvard with his own office. It's really disturbing to think about. Epstein frequently visited Office 610, which was known as Jeffrey's office, and met with scholars to hear about their work. The review found he brought his own rug and hung his own photos on the wall. And none of the administrators knew, huh? None of the administrators ever ventured down to this wing of the school. None of the board members ever went and checked in on what Mr. Nowak was up to, wasn't important or something, or, you know, you guys just sit in your, your ivory towered office all day drinking spritzers and eating caviar. The hell is going on over there? Nowak argued that the office was Epstein's in name only, the report says. But others in the building said it was commonly known to be reserved for the pedophile. So all those people that said it was commonly reserved for Epstein, where were you outing this? Why were you quiet? Why were you being complicit? I have news for you. Anywhere I'm at, somebody like Jeffrey Epstein walks in the building, there's gonna be a few words that tumble out of my mouth for these people just to sit by and, and let this man have an office within their wing of the, the, the campus. It's gross. We do not take this step lightly, but the seriousness of the matter leads us to believe it is not appropriate for Professor Nowak to continue in his role. Wrote Claudine Gay, dean of Harvard's Faculty of Arts and Sciences, of the decision to place Nowak on leave. You should all be placed on leave. If I had a kid at Harvard, I'd be going crazy right now. I would be at the campus demanding that people are fired. It's not just the professor's fault. It's definitely a majority of the blame falls on his shoulders. But there's no institutional control. So how can we believe that this isn't still going on or won't go on in the future? When Harvard refuses to take the reins and have some sort of institutional control over what's going on within its buildings, Harvard's report urges the university to develop clearer procedures for reviewing potentially controversial gifts and for enforcing bans on certain donors. Bacow said he has instructed top officials to implement the suggestions as soon as possible. About two decades too late. All of a sudden, now it's a big deal because you're in the media. All of a sudden, because you're tied to Jeffrey Epstein, you're gonna institute all of these new steps. A place like Harvard should have all of their ducks in a row from the jump. It shouldn't need outside pressure from content creators, legacy media and survivors to do the right thing. A place like Harvard, where they're basically teaching and, and educating the leaders of tomorrow, should have, at the very least, a bit of a moral compass, in my opinion. We will always do our best to improve, bacow said in a campus message on Friday. The report issued today describes principled decision making, but also reveals institutional and individual shortcomings that must be addressed, not only for the sake of the university, but also in recognition of the courageous individuals who sought to bring Epstein to justice. So now all of a sudden, he's talking about, oh, yeah, and I want to make sure that I let everybody know that the survivors are brave. Well, that's nice. Lip service is nice and all, but what are you doing for the survivors? What are you do. Have you, have you reached out to them as a university to apologize? At the very least, you think that would be a step that should be taken, right? I know if I was in charge of this university, I'd be on the phone with every single one of these gals that has come forward with a claim against Epstein, and I'd be apologizing for the university's role in enabling Jeffrey Epstein's behavior. Because this is just. This is a. This is outrageous. Epstein killed himself in his New York City prison cell, allegedly in August after he was arrested on sex trafficking charges. He had pleaded not guilty to sexually abusing girls as young as 14 and young women in New York and Florida in the early 2000s. In lawsuits, women say the abuse spanned decades. Among other allegations against Nowak, the report alleged that he allowed his program's website to be used to burnish Epstein's reputation after his 2008 conviction. Boy, isn't that nice. Talk about enabling Jeffrey Epstein. This Martin Nowak character, top notch enabler. Imagine a Harvard professor vouching for you amongst his buddies and his friends. And hey, if Nowak says he's cool, he must be cool, right? In reality, Nowak was just another one of Jeffrey Epstein's stooges, it looks like, and another one that didn't care a lick about Epstein's crimes. He only cared how deep he could get his hand into Jeffrey Epstein's pocket. In 2013, at the request of Epstein's publicist, Nowak agreed to post links to the. To the pedophile's websites, which had flattering descriptions of Epstein and made false claims about his levels of giving to Harvard. The review found. Oh, yeah, I'm sure they did. They had to throw that in there, right? False claims of giving. Yeah, I think we need a second look at that. A more stringent look at that. Nowak is also accused of devoting a page on the program's website to Epstein, also at the request of the financier's publicist. Pedophile's publicist, you mean. There's no evidence that Harvard's top officials knew about the postings? The report says Epstein's page on the website was removed in 2014 after Harvard received complaints from a sexual assault. A sexual assault survivors group. The report concludes that Harvard's senior leaders acted appropriately in their dealings with Epstein. Of course it does. Has there ever been one of these internal reports that really put the management structure on blast? Has there ever been one of these reports that really did the right thing and outed all of the rats at the top? Nope, never does. Always the low hanging fruit. Just like the prison guards. Harvard as an institution is no different from the corruption Department of Justice. Sorry, folks, just the facts. Former president Drew Foss decided to bar donations from Epstein after his conviction, the review says. And a university Dean rejected a 2013 request from some faculty to reconsider the decision, saying it would be inconsistent with Harvard's values. Okay, some faculty. Let's get the names of those faculty members that thought it was a good idea after Jeffrey Epstein was convicted of his crimes to take donations from him. Can we have their names, Please put their names out so we can discuss them and their disgusting behavior. But some faculty enjoyed close ties with Epstein, the report says. A number. Just a number. No names, no specific number, Nothing. Of faculty members visited Epstein at his homes in New York, Florida, New Mexico and the Virgin Islands. Again, this is. I want names. All right? The report needs to name all of the professors involved so we can go through them one by one and figure out what their role was in the Epstein organization. Because obviously that's not a job that the prosecutors want to do. It's not a job that the legacy media in America wants to do. They leave it up to the Daily Mail to do the right thing. So can we get those Names so that we can get busy building the blueprint. Some said they visited him in jail or took trips on his planes. The visits were done in a personal capacity, the report said, and do not appear to violate Harvard rules. Yeah, I don't care if it's personal, professional, whatever it may be. If you're. You're one of my employees and you think it's a good idea to go hang out with Jeffrey Epstein, and in turn, that's going to cause my business problems, well, I got news for you. You're out on your ass. You're fired. All right? A, because it's bad business, and B, because I don't want to be associated with somebody hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein. Yet these faculty members, unnamed, by the way, at Harvard, have no. Have no problem. In fact, they're writing to the administration saying that they should be able to accept donations from this man. What a bunch of sick, disgusting bastards. In total, Epstein made more than 20 donations to Harvard, the largest of which was the $6.5 million to NOAC's research group. Smaller donations supported faculty research in psychology, economics, art, and education. Although his gifts were blocked after 2008, the report found that Harvard accepted $736,000 between his arrest and conviction. So while Jeffrey Epstein was on trial and waiting to be convicted, Harvard was still accepting donations from him. In their infinite wisdom, as one of the top tier universities in the world, they couldn't figure out that taking money from Jeffrey Epstein was a bad idea. Yet we're going to listen to these guys about geopolitical issues or about health issues or about economics issues. Sorry. Harvard is a shit school, in my opinion, okay?

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I said it a shit school. Most went to Harvard's Medical School, while 150,000 went to its Faculty of Arts and Sciences. We all know how he loves the arts programs, right? He loves naive art students. He loves naive artists. Jeffrey Epstein was a sick and disgusting bastard, and Harvard enabled his behavior. Point blank period. Harvard President Lawrence Bacow called for the review in September 2019amid public outcry over the university's relationship with Epstein. Other schools have faced similar scrutiny, including nearby Massachusetts Institute of Technology, which revealed in January that Epstein donated $750,000 and visited the campus at least nine times out after his conviction. The former director of MIT's famed Media Lab, Joy Ito, resigned last year amid uproar over his ties to Epstein. He issued a public apology and vowed to raise money for victims of trafficking. That's what they all say when they get busted Right. Oh, well, I'm sorry that I took part in hurting the survivors of Epstein. But what I'm gonna do now is I'm gonna raise money for victims of trafficking. That's what I'm gonna do. Because that makes everything better to these people. Money makes the world go round. They have no conscience. They have no moral compass. And they do not care about me, you or your children. Get it through your heads, folks. These people do not care. We're up against some of the most evil people in the history of the world. And all of these enablers, all of these people that vouched for Jeffrey Epstein, all of these people that were in his inner circle, all of. All of these people that he used to refurbish his image, all of you were disgusting ass excuses for human beings. And as the information continues to roll out and the names continue to come into the light, we will continue to talk about all of the people who were involved with Jeffrey Epstein and his criminal organization until they all face justice. If you'd like to contact me, you could do that@bobby capuchirotonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A P U C c I. @protonmail.com you can also.