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The Epstein Chronicles
Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And Men Who Kept Him Flying High (7/30/26)
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Larry Visoski and David Rodgers were far more than ordinary pilots in Jeffrey Epstein’s organization. For nearly three decades, they transported Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell, young women and girls, wealthy financiers, celebrities, politicians and...
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as for what we're going to talk about tonight on the podcast here on the segment, you know, look, we know that Prince Andrew was aboard Jeffrey Epstein's plane and we know that he was at these locations at the same time as Virginia, according to the documentation that we have available to us and from corroborating witnesses. Now there's a report from the Mirror talking about how David Rogers, who was one of Jeffrey Epstein's pilots, flew Prince Andrew and Virginia Roberts on the same plane at the same time. Now, what it does is it again adds a little more meat to the bone, right? A little more context. Because when you hear the legacy media speak about this story, how many times have they brought up Larry Vassar, Vasoski or David Rogers or any of these other players who might seem like they played a minor part to somebody who is looking from the outside, you know, in. But to people who understand what's going on in this case, all of these people played their key part. They all had their little roles and their key roles to play. And these pilots are no different. You mean to tell me you're flying all of these people around on these planes, all these little younger looking girls and you're not asking any questions? You don't go home and look at your own daughter and have a come to Jesus moment and say, whoa, what the am I doing out here? How could I possibly sell my soul for a few FA zuls? I mean, I get it, right? We all want money. Money helps things be a little bit easier for the most part. But to be involved with something like this, something as heinous as this, something as draconian as this, it's just beyond me. I don't know how you can go home and compartmentalize what you were involved in. I mean, basically, you're aiding and abetting. I don't want to hear while I was just flying the plane, how did that work out for the Nazis at Nuremberg? Oh, I was just following orders. No, man, you were part of it. All right? You might not have abused anybody, but you were aiding and abetting the abuse by working for this man. And then, not only that, but even after the man was arrested, still not coming forward, still turtling up, and still not trying to help justice move forward. So what should anybody think or say about these people? Personally, I find people like this reprehensible. You know, if you were to come out and say, yeah, look, Epstein threatened me. He said if I said anything, he was going to clip my whole family. All right, well then I get it. I understand why you're quiet. But still, you gotta have some backbone. Once Jeffrey Epstein was arrested the first time, that was the time for all of these people who were supposedly afraid of him to come forward. That was the time for all of the people who thought that he had too much power, that was the time for them to come forward. And they didn't. Fast forward to the second arrest. And still the same story. So how can anyone take them serious or believe that they care about justice, or they didn't know what was going on, or that they themselves were in fact victims of Epstein? It doesn't pass the sniff test. As they would say down south, that dog don't hunt. Jeffrey Epstein was obviously engaging in all sorts of disgusting behavior. And people like David Rogers, the pilot, who we're going to discuss tonight is somebody who had intimate knowledge of that somebody was flying him around. Look, I can't say for sure, oh, with the hundred percent certainty, oh, he knew what was going on. But, you know, let's be real here, okay? Let's be real. Unless he was absolutely blind and Tom Cullen level intelligence, then I don't know how he could not know what's going on. Epstein didn't have any children. He didn't have any nieces and nephews. So why would anyone who's working on this plane as a pilot or anything else think it's cool that he's bringing all of these youngish looking girls around with him and then after he gets arrested, you don't come forward and Say, hey, look, I didn't know exactly how old they were, but yeah, now that I see that he's arrested for this, I can totally understand why it was some shady shit, looking back in hindsight. But no, none of that happened. So the question becomes, why? What are these people trying to hide still? Jeffrey Epstein's dead. You might as well just spill it, homie. Unless of course, you're worried about implicating yourself. Let's jump into this article from the Mirror and see what Christopher Buckton, who is the author of the article, has to say. Headline Pilot flew Prince Andrew and Epstein's private jet and sex slave was on board. That's ominous. That's not the kind of headline you want to wake up to if you're the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family, is it? Especially considering there's a report out that his brother is looking to lance him like a boil. Meaning get him out of the royal family, out of the picture so he doesn't weigh him down when he takes the crown, just like I thought. Look, I don't care if it's the year 1100 or the year 2021, the, the intrigue that goes on in, in royal courts is still the same. You have everybody jockeying for position, everybody's looking for sta. For stature with the monarch and the games are played. Literally a game of thrones. And if you think that Charles wants this dude hanging over him as he's coronated and he becomes the new king of England, you're. You're sadly mistaken. But imagine waking up and this is the article you see now after all the other articles you see, and it's obvious that the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family and his five team members are grasping at straws. If we're going to look at their recent conduct. This is the pilot who claims to have flown Prince Andrew with Jeffrey Epstein and his alleged survivor, Virginia Roberts. So there's a picture of him standing there wearing some straight up typical suburban, you know, dad, white guy, jeans, with his button up, short sleeve shirt tucked into the jeans and you know, the usual outfit with the black belt, the whole nine. I can only imagine if they panned down a little bit and took a shot, he'd be wearing the New Balance to complete the outfit. What an absolute tool. What a character caricature of himself. I mean, wow, picture. For the first time, David Rogers refused to talk about the royal, his pedophile financier pal, or any of the survivors who claim they were abused. Yeah, well, why would he, why would he implicate himself. It's obvious at this point that these people aren't going to do what's right. They're not gonna come forward. They're not going to be honorable. So what's left? To mock them? To make sure that people understand that this man is part of the problem? Do the right thing. Come forward, speak with authorities. What are you hiding for? I mean, I know you. You're trying to blend in in your, your retiree community down there in Florida with your suburban dad outfit on, right? But, but come on. Okay, it's time to come forward. What did. What do you know what happened on those, on those plane flights? What. What blanks can you fill in? Let's get this ball rolling. All right, Enough is enough. Why isn't this clown subpoenaed? That's the real question. I really hope that we get them superseded indictments on Maxwell that we've talked about that we think will come. And I hope that it encompasses all of this stuff as well. I mean, you don't think that this guy is a witness, at the very least somebody that should be brought in. And, and during the Maxwell trial, how many times was Maxwell on the flight? How many times? All of these questions need to be answered and somehow these people duck and dodge. It's a good thing outlets, outlets like the Mirror are still going hard in the paint and looking for answers. Because if we were relying on Katie Couric or any of them, we'd be waiting for a real long time, folks. When tracked down by the Mirror in Lake worth, Florida, the 67 year old Airman said, I can't talk. Oh, yeah, I'm sure you can't talk. I mean, I guess we could take that several ways. I can't talk. Is he bound by a gag order that has been imposed on him by the court due to a sealed indictment or him being a witness in the case? I guess that's kind of an open statement. I can't talk. Or we can just take it at face value, meaning I can't talk, meaning F yourself. So I guess it means we could just go. It goes on interpretation there with that. But it could have another meaning, right? It could be. Look, I can't talk, meaning there is a legal case underway. I'm a witness, or I'm a subject of the investigation, whatever it may be, and I can't talk about it. He claims Andrew flew at least 10 times on the billionaire's jet. Allegations that have thrust Andrew into the FBI investigation into Epstein. The Prince has categorically denied ever Meeting Roberts, who claims she had SEC. He had sex with her four times when she was 17. And that is really what gets me with the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family, Right? How could he attempt to manipulate the narrative when we've seen the pictures? We know that you. You know her, right? So if you're lying about even knowing her, then why should we believe you about anything else? That don't make no sense to me. Either you're bullshitting me or you're not. All right, I'm not sitting here buying his bs. Oh, I've never met her. I saw the picture. I know it's not doctored. I actually know it's not doctored. According to the specialists and the. The people, the experts who have looked at it. Just do a quick Google search for yourself. Or a duck. Duck. Go search for yourself. And it's not very hard to find. Okay, so him saying that he doesn't even know her right away puts him in the category of this dude's bullshitting. And then you add in all the other stuff. The email to Ghislaine in 2015. I have questions about Virginia. Come on, dude, give me a break. If you weren't putting together such a poor defense, maybe people would give you a, you know, a. A little bit of the benefit of the doubt. But you haven't even put up any sort of defense that is worthwhile or worth believing. Nobody believes you. Joe Exotic of the Windsor family.
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but Roger's logs provide the most detailed independent testimony to the courts about Andrew's friendship with the pedophile placing pressure on the dad of two to speak to the FBI. You know what, at this point, how much more pressure can be applied to Prince Andrew? I mean, everybody's applying pressure to this dude. He's not gonna talk. Why would he? What does he have to gain at this point? I mean, he's already been absolutely decimated in the media. The royal family wants nothing to do with them. The guy's absolutely well beyond ever refurbishing his reputation. So it's, it's a rap for this dude. Okay, it is definitely a rap for this dude. He might as well speak to the FBI at this point. Unless, of course, he is scared of incriminating himself in a crime. And folks, what else could it be? If he truly was a witness and he had nothing to do with this, and don't act like he doesn't have the best law, I mean, the best legal counsel and PR people around him. He. He's the prince of England. You better well believe he does. So if they had any sort of out here, any way for him to come forward and speak to the investigators and not implicate himself and come out of this looking like, you know, a, a, a, a top bloke, as the folks across the pond might say, then you know, he would do it. But he doesn't do it because guess what? He fears sitting down and speaking with investigators. And my question is, once again, what. What are you scared of and what are you hiding? I've been very consistent with my calls for him to speak to investigators. That's all I've ever asked for here. I've never asked for anyone to raid the dude's house and drag him out. None of that nonsense at all. All right, that's. Other people might do that, and that's, that's fine. If that's the way they want to look at it, great. Me, personally, I want him to be questioned just like anybody else in an investigation through the steps. Like anybody else. I don't think that's too much to ask. The mirror found the pilot living close to the Florida airport from which Epstein flew his survivors. His wall of silence mirrors that. That of other pilots who ferried Epstein and Ghisain Maxwell to and from. So of course they're not going to talk, right? Why would they talk Again, these pilots, if they talk, they will implicate themselves as being, at the very least, aiding and abetting what occurred. How can you fly these girls to and fro and not yourself be in violation of the man act. At the very least, you can't transport people across state lines to traffic them. And that's what was going on. Roger's LinkedIn profile still lists him as an employee of Epstein's NES LLC company between 1995 until 2013. He wrote an entry on the flight manifest for each trip he flew for the pervert who killed himself in prison in 2019. Allegedly. So the pilot's logs are very important, right? But they're not the be all, end all. They can be fudged, they can be manipulated, and they can be doctored. So my question is, how many trips weren't logged? How many people who flew on the planes weren't logged on the logs and flew under the radar? Now, when you're flying private there, it's a lot easier, right, to make moves. Certainly can't do that if you're flying on a commercial flight. But when you're flying privately, like usual, when you got a couple of fossils in the pocket to spread around, make sure everybody wets their beaks, well, you get a few extra privileges. Andrew, 60, has denied being good friends with Epstein, but Roger's flight manifests claimed to show him at all four locations where the billionaire had homes, including Florida and his private U.S. virgin Island, Little St. James, and of course, Zorro Ranch, and of course, New York. You know, look, let's be honest. He was at all of the properties. Him and Jeffrey Epstein were. Were good buddies. They were really good friends. And that's just the. The way it is, all right? There's no sugar coating that, okay? And anyone who tries to sugarcoat it is gaslighting and bullshitting. We're not gonna. I'm not gonna bother with any of that nonsense, dealing with it even. We all know the score at this point. It's up. The onus is on him to come forward and provide some receipts, and so far, he's done none of that. Speak to the authorities if you want. Very simply, if you want to put this behind you, just speak with the authorities, and then let's go from there. Let's see what they have to say. But you're not even willing to do that. So why should anyone give you the benefit of the doubt? Why should anybody not think you an absolute scuzzball? Joe, exotic of the Windsor family. He also Flew Roberts, now 37, to London in March 2001, where she claimed she had. She first had sex with the Duke. So it's on the log she flew over there. It's not even disputable at this point from where I'm sitting, okay, we got the picture at Maxwell's. What more do you need? Do you need a time machine to go back and see it for yourself? There's a lot of evidence folks, and this is just what we have. Can you imagine what prosecution has? A source said David has complied with the FBI's and others investigating those who enabled Jeffrey Epstein's offending. He was trusted with his most prized and high profile friends, not only the Prince, but Bill Clinton. Well, there it is. A source said David has complied with the FBI and other investigators. So that's why he says he can't talk about it, he's cooperating. So they're, they're obviously they pressured him. Now this is my speculation, of course, right. It's that they don't say that directly here in the article, but when you read in between the lines, the source is saying he's complying with the FBI. He says I can't talk about it and it's rather obvious that he's not doing it for fun. So they're applying pressure to him, in my opinion. And this gives us a little look behind the curtain folks, that there is work going on to apply pressure to co conspirators and associates to get this thing wrapped up and to get some convictions. He is adamant he didn't see any wrongdoing as he flew Epstein, his cronies and the girls around. Andrew's first flights on Epstein's old jet, a Gulf Stream, were logged in February 1999. In May the following year, he took a trip from New York to Florida with the American tycoon, pedophile and others. On March 31, 2001, Rogers claims he flew the Duke and Roberts from New Mexico to Florida. According to court circulars, Andrew had an evening engagement in London on March 28, 2001 and one on April 2, 2001. So right in the time frame, looks like everything matches up, doesn't it? You know, it's, it's crazy. It's really crazy to me to see or think that anyone could defend the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family at this point. The evidence is mounting and it's sky the F high and also the little blurb in there about Clinton. Right. What does Rogers know about Clinton and if he's being pressured, are they going down that rabbit hole? I would really hope so. I would really hope that that's something that they're certainly exploring. Rogers alleges Roberts was on another flight with the Prince to the Virgin Islands on April 11. The last trip the Royal is said to have taken was on September 1 2, 2006. Flight logs do not feature Andrew's name but the initials A.P. they had been used for Epstein. Chef Adam Perry Lang Buckingham palace insist court circulars from the time disproved the claims. It refused to comment tonight, but a friend of Andrew said David Rogers claims simply don't stand up to any kind of objective scrutiny. The Duke was elsewhere on numerous occasions that the initials AP Appear. Oh, yeah, well, you know, I guess his. His friends came out and say that, I. E. His legal team. So, okay, you're disputing it, that's fine. I am. Again, I am more than willing to accept that this didn't occur if the evidence proved that, but it certainly doesn't look that way. So why don't you come forward, speak to investigators, do the honorable thing like you said from the jump, and we can figure this all out in a court of law. Only place to hammer it out, right? You don't want to do it in the court of public opinion. So bring your ass to the FBI station in London and speak with the investigators. And David Rogers. Well, it sure looks like he's singing a tune already. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that@bobby capuchirotonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A P U c c I protonmail.com youm can also find me on twitter-o b b y Capucci all of the links that go with this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. So we slide into day two of the Ghislaine Maxwell trial, and we had two witnesses on the stand today. They continued with the questioning of pilot Larry Vasoski, who had some pretty interesting things to add to the conversation. And they also had on a Jane Doe. Now, the Jane Doe is the young lady who was allegedly groomed and abused from the Interlocan School in Michigan. It is a art school, a, you know, a ritzy kind of music school. And that's where her abuse began and where Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell allegedly met her for the first time. And obviously we don't have a pipeline into the courtroom as far as audio, so all we were, we're relying on is transcripts. But it seems to me that it was a pretty brutal line of questioning for Jane Doe. And like I said earlier a million times, that's to be expected. This is the sort of defense that they're going to Pursue, they're going to look to destroy the credibility of the witnesses. They're going to look to do whatever they can to impugn their character. And that is the age old tactic that has been used in cases like this forever. The real question becomes, is it going to work? Now, recently we have seen that it did not work in the Harvey Weinstein case, it didn't work in the Keith Ray Neary and NXIVM case, and it certainly didn't work in the Bill Cosby case either. Now, obviously Bill Cosby got off on a technicality. But my point is the argument within the courtroom when you're setting these victims up, these survivors up, as being at fault or like they did something wrong. Let's keep everything into context, okay? This was a little girl at school, and Epstein and Maxwell, according to her allegations, thought it would be a good idea to try and pick her up and groom her and then start traveling with her all over the country and abusing her at the same time. Now, I have done an episode previously on the Situation in Michigan. There's an article in the Daily Mail dealing with it. I'm gonna post that episode later on, and you folks can dive into that if you'd like to. But it was a pretty rough read listening to her, or I guess I should say reading back her account of what occurred and how the whole entire process evolved. Now, she was coming off of like usual with Jeffrey Epstein and his cronies. She was in a situation where her dad had just died, her mom was certainly not swimming in the doe, and they had some financial issues. So you have this, this benefactor that comes riding in on his white horse with his little associate and her nice little Oxford accent, and they offer you the world. Now me, I'm cynical as hell. I learned a long time ago from my dad that I don't have any rich uncles. I don't have any benefactors that are riding in to save the day for me. So I would be apprehensive for sure. But when you're, you know, in somebody else's shoes, I don't know what the deal is in a school like that. Maybe it's something that happens all the time. I went to public school. I have no idea. But for me personally, if it was my child, you know, I would be very cautious of these people just materializing from nowhere. But again, when you look at the whole entire situation, there's no reason for this, this family to suspect that these people are going to do these heinous acts. They're on this campus, which is supposed to be a safe place, are we not going to talk about how the school should have a little bit of responsibility for what happened here? And I guess that really gets down to the core of my issue with all of this, folks. And for those of you who have been listening to me forever, you know, all of this already. But there has been obviously an influx of new listeners in the last few days due to the nature of the case. But it's always been one of my biggest issues with this whole entire thing. And it's just. It's aggravating, right? It is just aggravating. But her on the stand today put a whole different spin on everything, put a whole different feel to it. Right? We've heard in the interview in the Daily Mail when she, you know, talking about the experiences at the school, what it was like for. But it's a whole different ball game when you're in the courtroom, you're testifying, and you're looking at your alleged abuser in the eye, right? So it's nice to see, at the very least, on the ground level, a little bit of justice is hopefully going to be served up here. But when you go into it and you dig deeper, it's situations like how the school is going to get off without any accountability that are wild to me. And back to the point I was making earlier, it's something that I've drilled home for quite some time on this podcast, because all of the enablers, the people around Epstein, all of these people that were helping him rebuild his image, helping him harbor his secrets, all of these people are culpable. Now, there's different levels of culpability, right? Not everybody was involved in the actual abuse part, what was going on here. But there are a bunch of players on the stage, some of them that were named today at the trial, that are accused, incredibly accused, I might, I might add, of actually taking part in the abuse. You have people like George Mitchell, you have all kinds of big profile people, Glenn Dubin, Bill Richardson, and these are the people who were facilitating all of this. And at the same time, according to the credible allegations, partaking in the abuse themselves. So when you look at it, there's layers, right? It's almost like a lasagna of shit with all the different layers of garbage that you have to get through to get to the nexus of the problem. And that's how Epstein kept himself insulated. It was just like any other criminal organization, like any other criminal enterprise. And that's why you see people who have been following this case for a long time. And frankly, a lot of the survivors get so agitated that none of the other core participants have been indicted. Because this couldn't happen, right, without all of these other participants. And that goes for the school in Michigan, Interloken. They have to have some responsibility for what occurs on their campus. Considering Jeffrey Epstein had a little chalet, a little cabin on the campus, I mean, really, it's just like him over at Harvard. Dude literally had the keys to the kingdom at Harvard. And sure, we get a lot of these crocodile tiers, apologies, and we get these internal investigations and all of that jazz, but in reality, there's no penalties for these people. They just shrug their shoulders and keep it moving. And if any of these people who were associating with Jeffrey Epstein after his first arrest even attempt to act like they had no idea what he was, well, that's somebody that I am pretty confident in calling a liar. Pretty sure everybody had Google back then, right? Jump on the Internet and check out Jeffrey Epstein, what he was up to. It was all over the news. But yet you'll have these people who think you're stupid enough to believe that they had no idea what Jeffrey Epstein was. And that's the, the running line, right? Oh, we had no idea. We had no clue. It's not odd that a man with no children, no children even in his vicinity has all of these young looking girls around. But you know, when you're a fellow traveler and all, it's probably not out of the normal. It's probably just the way things are. So today, like I said, the two witnesses on the stand were Larry Vassoski and a Jane Doe. So first we're going to talk a little bit about Larry Vassalski and what he had to say on the, on the stand today. First, he was talking about the flights to Interlocan, and he was talking about some of the people that were on some of these flights. Interlocken was Epstein and Maxwell, obviously. But on some of these other flights, he was talking about people like Bill Clinton was mentioned. Um, let's see, Donald Trump was mentioned. Uh, who else do we got here? Uh, Prince Andrew, Itzac, Pearlman. It's, it's crazy. It is crazy to think that, that all of these people, all of these people were on these planes and everybody knew about it. Right? But the legacy media, they couldn't be bothered to let all of you know about it. They were always talking about some big conspiracy theory around Epstein. Yeah, right. This has always been a criminal conspiracy. This was never a Conspiracy theory. Now don't get me wrong, there are some wild propositions when we talk about Epstein and this case, right? A bunch of weird theories. And I'm agnostic on all of it. I don't, I don't know what occurred for sure. All I can go on is what we have the evidence to go on, right? But one thing is certain. And I bring up these people on the plane to point out what I was talking about earlier. This is not a left or a right issue, folks. This is about the super elite, the 1% of the 1%, basically, who look at us like we're chattel. They look at us, our children, like we mean nothing. Human trafficking operations, endless war dividing the populace, and it just goes on and on and on. Again, all of these people, all of these politicians, none of them care about us. Let me ask you a question. How many of these congressmen or Congress congressmen or congresswomen have been out there yelling and screaming from every mountaintop about investigations into Epstein and the handling of the Epstein case on a federal level? I'll wait. Very few of them, folks. And the ones that have been, well, guess what, they sure can get all of these other conferences up on the Hill, right? They whipped up the January 6th conference pretty quick. They brought up a bunch of baseball players over steroids pretty quick. And insert every other issue here. But all of a sudden they have no interest in a case such as Epstein's. Meanwhile we have all of these big time players being involved. Trump, Clinton, Prince Andrew, AKA the Joe exotic of the Windsor family, by the way, all of these cats. And now again, besides Prince Andrew, I'm not saying that these dudes were taking part in, in the trafficking operation as far as abusing people. Until that comes out with some evidence to back it up or I hear, I hear the survivors say that right? Then of course it's definitely something that needs to be talked about in the same vein as Glenn Dubin or Bill Richardson. But these guys were for sure enabling Jeffrey Epstein. Without a doubt. It's not even an argument. And they were probably up to more. And forget about anybody who had any kind of financial relationship with the guy. If you were in bed with Epstein financially, you were engaging in all kinds of malfeasance, financial malfeasance. This dude had accounts everywhere. But the whole world's a playground to these people. The men of always. Meanwhile us, the. And that means all of us out there, folks. I don't care if you're making 450 grand a year, 800 grand a year, they look at you the same. We're the children of never. They'll continue to, you know, play their game of thrones, right, and, you know, let us eat cake. But finally, I think they have went too far this time. Most of us are willing to look the other way when they're stealing and they're grifting. That's part of politics. We expect it. But when you look the other way for a human trafficking operation, and then you sit here and you hear in court about two former United States presidents, one from each side of the aisle, by the way, having an intimate relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, being multiple flyers on Oldboy's plane, if that doesn't make you sit back and take stock of where we are as a society and what we're doing as. As a voting populace, I don't know what will, because from where I'm sitting, it is all bad folks. And there's no, oh, well, this one did it or that one did it, or none of these people are safe from. From the Jeffrey Epstein stink. I did an episode a long time ago where I went through opensecrets.org where it lists all the people that have donated to political campaigns and stuff, and you'd be blown away by how many people Jeffrey Epstein donated to throughout the years, politically speaking. A massive amount of people on both sides of the aisle, by the way. So you have to ask yourselves, what is it really that these politicians are doing when you're hearing names like this in court and they don't have any kind of hearing on the Hill or, you know, they're not ruffling any feathers, you guys don't have any subpoenas for anybody. It is a absolute black eye on society in general. And it just shows you that unless it's a wedge issue, these politicians really do not care. Um, let's see. What else did Mr. Vasoski have to say today? They asked Mr. Vasowski, Are you familiar with print with Prince Andrew? Vasoski said, yes. Then Christian Everdell, who is Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer, he said, and he flew on Mr. Epstein's plane. Right? And Vasowski said he did. So what they're trying to do here by bringing up all of these names is to try and say that Epstein was an upstanding citizen. Nothing was going on on that plane. On those planes, he was hanging out with all of these upstanding other members of the high society. It's the same. The same excuse that Alan Dershowitz tried to run. And it doesn't hold water with me, you know. Why? Well, you're all fellow travelers. I don't look at any of you as upstanding citizens or pillars of the community. We have one guy who's a reality TV star who got elected, and then Bill Clinton. Do I really need to go into this. This moron. I mean, really, this is the best we can do. So, you know, you have this whole wild situation where he's trying to. Everdell, by the way, I hear, is trying to set it up where the. The excuse is, well, all of these other people were on the plane, so it's cool, right? No big deal, because all of these people are pillars of the community, according to Christian Everdell. Meanwhile, anyone who's followed this case knows that everybody he's brought up in that sentence is somebody who has been accused of taking part in the trafficking ring in one way or the other. Bill Clinton, as far as enabling, and Prince Andrew a lot more devious and a lot worse. So forgive me if I don't look at those people as credible witnesses to the cause here. He says he also flew Mr. Epstein to Columbus to see Les Wexner, which is interesting. He goes on to say, on your flights to Interlocan, wasn't Itzac Perlman on one? Vasofsky says, yes, he was. And Epstein had a cabin there, right? Vasofsky says yes, and he means the cabin at Interlochen was what that. Like, I was just talking about earlier, like I referenced. So he had this cabin there because he was, you know, this big donor. And, you know, you get. When you have. When you have a bunch of cheddar, you have a lot more opportunities that spring up around you. You know, like most of us, no chance, right? But people like Epstein, somehow he trips over, falls in a pile of, and comes out smelling like roses. So Epstein had all the money in the world, and he was able to, you know, donate money to these universities and in turn, get access to these universities. And in this case, not a university, Right. This is more. There's a high school. This is a, you know, a school for the talented, the gifted. But that was Epstein's M.O. we saw him do it in Harvard. We saw him do it at mit. We saw him do it everywhere he went. It was always about spreading that dough around so that he'd have access to these campuses, to the scientists, and to the whole entire situation. So that's pretty much the gist of it for the. The Vassalski end. Nothing too crazy. Besides him talking about the Trump, Clinton and some of the other people that were on the plane, uh, they also asked, did you ever see Epstein engaging in sex acts with underage girls? He probably. If Mr. Epstein were engaging in sex acts with underage girls, he probably would have told you not to leave the cockpit. Correct. So that was after a line of questioning where they asked him if he was able to leave the Gulf Stream to use the restroom, which is kind of ridiculous, right? I mean, to think that Epstein wouldn't be able to maneuver around all of that is crazy. And how many times would Mr. Vassocki have to get up to use the restroom on one of these flights? I don't know. Just a question I'm asking. So just because he has access to the cabin doesn't mean he actually has access to the cabin, if you get my drift. But it looks like that's, you know, with. With the whole situation with Vassalski here, what they were trying to establish is that Epstein did have all of these people on these planes. These girls were on these planes. And, you know, even though Vasski says that he didn't see anyone that he thought was young, I find that very hard to believe. But I guess that's objectional, right? You can't really say one way or the other what he saw or didn't in as far as age of the girls, but it's pretty obvious when there's a young woman. One other exchange between Vassalski and the prosecutors was pretty interesting to me as well. Everdell said, and Ghislaine seemed like a nice person to you, did she not? Vassaski said she did. Everdell goes on to say, and you have two daughters, and you let them ride horses with Ghislaine, right? Vassaski says, I did. So, again, what they're trying to do is build credibility here to say that Ghislaine Maxwell is a good person. So good, in fact, that Mr. Vassoski would let his daughters ride horses with her. Christian Everdell goes on to say, you saw nothing in 30 years that made you think Mr. Epstein was an abuser, right? Vasoski says, I did not. Now, look, with Vasoski, I don't really trust the guy, to be honest with you. He was in Epstein's employee for a very long time after the first arrest. He never came out and said anything, kept quiet. And it took this whole entire proceeding to even get him to say anything. So I'm not very confident in Mr. Vasoski here, to be honest with you, giving us the real story. Uh, he goes on to say, um, Everdell goes nothing further. And then Judge Nathan orders the redirect where Maureen Comey says, did you let your 14 year old daughter massage Mr. Epstein? Vasoski says, I did not. And they finish it out with, um, nothing further. And we call our next witness, Jane. So that, that was the Vassalski exchange. And it was pretty interesting at the end there when Comey drops the, the bomb of would, well, did you let your daughters massage Jeffrey Epstein? And I thought that was one of the biggest points of the exchange as far as the whole entire cross examination or questioning procedure of the day. Alright, so let's dig into some of this testimony from Jane. Comey says, how old were you when you first had sexual contact with Jeffrey Epstein? In response, Jane says, 14. Who was in the room with you? Asks Comey. The response from Jane, Ghislaine Maxwell. Comey says, do you see her here? Jane says, yes, there and in sort of a beige turtleneck. Comey goes on to tell the court that she has identified the defendant. She goes on to ask Comey, what type of work did your father do? Jane says, he was a musical composer. Then he died of leukemia. His employer had canceled his health insurance without him knowing. We essentially were went bankrupt and had to move out. So that it's the typical move of Epstein, right? Looks for somebody who is in a vulnerable position and then dives in to try and, you know, act like he's going to save the day. But in reality what he's going to do is crush those dreams, the dreams and hopes of the girls under his heel. And that was his M.O. with all of these girls from, you know, broken homes or girls going through struggles, girls that have parents, are on drugs, whatever it might be, this is what they zeroed in on. They go on to ask her. The prosecutor goes on to ask her, when you were at Interloken, did you meet a couple? Jane replies, yes, the woman had a dog and the man said they were big benefactors. They asked for my mother's phone, a landline. So remember, this is back in the day when there was no cell phones yet, so you're still using landlines and all of that jazz. So Epstein and Maxwell asked for the landline number at our house. So Comey goes on to ask, when you visited, what do you remember about spending time at the pool? There were four women in Ghislaine, all topless, and some of them were naked. I was shocked I hadn't seen that before. Maxwell would ask me if I had boyfriends. Now remember, this is a 14 year old girl. So what they do in situations like this, people like Epstein, they normalize this behavior for their target, for the one that they're grooming. They bring them around. And these young girls see these other women who might seem educated or, you know, hip, whatever it might be, running around like this, participating in these activities. And to the girl who, who has never been around this stuff before, never been exposed to the upper crust of society, she's saying to herself, well, I guess this is normal. And that's how the, the grooming process really begins, right? You start to normalize this disgusting behavior. And we see it with Epstein over and over and over again. And we certainly see, as Jane is telling us in her testimony here, She also asks, did Epstein begin to pay for things for you? And Jane said, voice lessons, clothes, things for school. The prosecutor says, did Maxwell give you some advice? Jane replies that if you F them, you can always F them. They're sort of grandfathered in. I didn't know what it meant. So Maxwell trying to hip her to the game, right? Once you start doing that, then you know, you're all set. You got them locked in. And really at the nexus of all of this for Maxwell and Epstein was their honey trap. You know, they were trying to build dossiers on people. This goes so much deeper than just your typical human trafficking ring. And hopefully it's going to delve into that a little more here at the trial, but I doubt it. So I'll, I'll have a bunch of episodes that will fill in context. Comey goes on to ask, what did they tell you about their social circle? Jane says, Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Mike Wallace. So two top level politicians, right off the bat, two scuzzbags. And then Mike Wallace, another member of the esteemed legacy media. How many people in the legacy media have to be brought up? And then you got Mike Wallace here and his son Chris Wallace running around yelling at people from their ivory towers. Talk about hypocritical. But Epstein had a lot of buddies in the media, a lot of friends in the legacy media. Guys like George Stepanopoulos, Katie Couric, these are all people that have been to Jeffrey Epstein's. She goes on to say, how is the house decorated? Jane says, art, sculptures, pictures of famous people, presidents. I thought some of the art was odd. Naked women, creepy animals. And that was one of the mo's of Jeffrey Epstein and his decorating. When you look into Jeffrey Epstein's story, they talk about that at his places, real weirdly decorated, a lot of odd stuff. Jane says, Epstein took me into the pool house. He proceeded, oh, man, this is trigger warning here, folks. This is a little graphic. Then he went, he proceeded to masturbate on me. Then he went into the bathroom and cleaned himself and acted like nothing happened. I'd never seen that before. Comey goes on to say, did you keep spending time with them? Jane says, yes. Now, again, this is part of the grooming process, making this normal, normalizing this behavior. And that's, that's how they do it. And Maxwell and Epstein were professionals, according to the survivors, according to the girls who have made these allegations. Jane goes on to say, Jeffrey proceeded to masturbate again. Ghislaine was rubbing on him, kissing on him. How old were you? 14. She says, so they're trying to have their little tryst here with this 14 year old girl. And that's why when Maxwell makes the assertions that she has no idea the scope of Epstein's crimes or what Epstein was up to, it's laughable to anybody who has read the court documents. When you just read the depositions and you read some of the lawsuits that have been filed against her, it's laughable, honestly, that she would act like she didn't know the scope of what, what went on here. And when you, when you hear it like this and you see a little girl in court talking, I mean a woman now, but you think about a little girl, 14 years old going through this and it's just mind blowing. She says, what was Miss, Miss Maxwell's demeanor like? She was very casual, like this was entirely normal. I was confused. When you are 14, you have no idea what is going on. Prosecutor, did Jeffrey Epstein touch you, Jane? Yes, everywhere. So talk about creep factor increasing. Jeffrey Epstein was gross to begin with. And imagine being one of these survivors, one of these little girls who has to touch this disgusting man. With Ghislaine Maxwell there egging it on and participating according to these allegations. Talk about PTSD. The prosecutor says, did you touch Mr. Epstein, Jane? After a pause everywhere, the prosecutor says again, trigger warning, folks, for some of you out there who, you know, this might not be comfortable with. I'm sorry to ask you this, but did he use sex toys, Jane? Yes. Like those back massagers. They were painful. He did it anyway. Assistant attorney. I mean, the prosecutor. Did Maxwell touch your body, Jane? Yes. So again, she just. Look, I don't want to under underpin that, right? I don't want to play that either because it's a big deal in open court. Maxwell was just accused of partaking in the abuse. So when you read an article and they call her a socialite, how about accused child abuser? How about accused child sex trafficker? How about accused scumbag? Anything but socialite. The questioning goes on from the prosecutor. How often did these things happen? Jane says, every time I visited, I went to visit his house. Prosecutor did you travel to his other homes? Jane? Yes. Then they. She says. Comey says, we'll be. We'll be back to that in a bit. When other people were present, how did incidents start? Jane says, Jeffrey would say, follow him. Prosecutor Follow him where? Jane replies, to his bedroom or to the massage room. He would get on the massage table and it would sort of turn into this orgy. Prosecutor how often was Maxwell present? Jane I can't give a precise number, so obviously more than once, according to this, this accuser. Now, that doesn't jive with what Maxwell has to say. Right? But as we've seen so far, I really don't have the faith in somebody who's being charged with perjury counts as somebody who has lied throughout this whole thing, to be honest now. So I don't think that this young lady is lying about this. Right. And for Maxwell and her team, already we're on day two. And you could see why the game of loopholes and technicalities were in such a big way for Maxwell and their defense to start it all out. They never wanted to get to this point like we've discussed. They knew once they got to court, it was going to be bad news for them. The prosecutor goes on, during the incident, when you were 14, was Maxwell in the room? Jane replies, yes. When you were 14, 15 and 16, how many times did you travel with them? Jane replies, about 10 times to new York City and New Mexico on Jeffrey's plane. You know, again, it's wild to me that Zorro Ranch is not rated. Not that it'll do any good now, Right? Raiding it now means nothing. All of these places have to be hit at the same time if you're gonna raid a criminal enterprise, or else people will get rid of evidence. You know, I'm not Inspector Gadget or anything, but you can't hit these places one at a time. So Zorro Ranch, I know a lot of new listeners are listening out there, has never been ra. What kind of artwork did they have? Jane? Yes, it was weird. Animal heads, naked women, orgies. It didn't seem very unusual at this point. How did you feel in the New York house? Like someone was always watching you. That's significant. As well. Because remember, we heard Larry Vasoski talking about how he did audio work for Epstein, blah, blah, blah. And we've heard several other people come out and say they've installed audio video at Epstein's properties package. That with what we've heard from the survivors, Maria Farmer, Virginia and some others talking about how everything was wired up for Epstein to record everything and watch everything. And it all really comes into a perspective, doesn't it? I've talked about this, like building a puzzle from the very beginning. And we started with the corner pieces and. And now we're getting a lot more clarity as things start to come undone. What would Epstein ask you to do again? Trigger warning. Gross stuff coming in, Jane. To straddle his face, to pinch his nipples. Prosecutor, were there times that Maxwell was present? Jane? Yes, Prosecutor. In the New York house. Where did this happen, Jane? In the massage room. So we've heard about the massage room. And also massage was code word in Epstein's world for sex. Oh, let's go get a massage. Using air quotes. You know, like there were frat boys hanging out at the frat house. On the trip to New Mexico, where did you spend most of your time, Jane Austen? On the ranch. It was in the middle of nowhere. Uh, Prosecutor, did anyone come into your room? Jane? Yes, someone came in and said, Jeffrey wants to see you, and escorted me to see him. Now, the ranch is in a desolate location. It's in Stanley, New Mexico, like 40 something miles outside of Santa Fe. It's in the high desert. And during the winter it is absolutely freezing cold there. I was out there in February of 2020 and it was quite an eye opening experience. The place is desolate as hell and there are no neighbors, really, folks, right? So if you're a girl out on this property, even if you want to get away or leave, you have no shot. Unless you. If it's in the winter, especially summer too. I mean, it's hot as hell in the summer, but in the winter there's a lot of snow and the terrain is very unforgiving. So it's a desolate place. And Epstein chose New Mexico for a reason, several of them, in fact. And the desolation and having nobody around to stick their nose in his business, certainly one of the top reasons. And this is horrible. When I was reading this earlier, I can only imagine. I mean, this poor. This poor lady Jane, I did not want to go see him. Who told you Epstein wanted to see you? I don't know. I had to fly back to Florida to Go to school. I took a commercial flight, but I was only 15 and didn't even have a driver's permit. Jane continues, so I couldn't get on the flight back to Florida. Having no id. I freaked out. But Maxwell helped solve it. She talked to someone and I got on the plane. Oh, it must be nice, huh? Let me just make a phone call over to somebody and get you back on the plane. Wild. Must be nice to have all these connections. Must be nice to hang out with ex presidents, princes and other assorted scumbags. What was your home life like at the time? Jane replies, we were losing our home. We moved into a pool house. Jane goes on to say, my mom was enamored by the idea that these affluent people were taking an interest in me. Maxwell's lawyer objects at this point, under hearsay. Prosecutor goes on to say, it's for the effect of the listener. Um, Judge Nathan says, you may ask that question, but not what the mother said. So they have an approach, blah, blah, blah, um, and they discuss what was what, what they can and can't say at a sidebar. Real quick, they get back and the prosecutor goes on to say, what did your mother say? Jane says, that I should be grateful for their attention. Imagine that's what your mother says. Man, I can't. These, these girls, these survivors, they've had a real, real hard road, folks. From the abuse actually happening to, to nobody helping them, to having their names dragged through the media by a jerk off legacy media, to now having to relive all of this again as this trial gets underway. And still nobody's in prison over this. By the way, let's be very clear. Did you tell your siblings about the abuse? Jane says, no, I was ashamed. And I had a manic, depressed mother who didn't know how to cope. It seemed hopeless. She goes on to say, I spoke to my school guidance counselor who then called my mother. My mother told me, you don't talk about what happens at home and embarrass us. Unfortunately, that's the way it goes in a lot of homes, right? Very private, you know, don't talk about things outside of the home, etc. Etc. But in situations like this, I mean, imagine how hopeless it must be. Nowhere to turn. You can't tell your mom, your siblings, you don't feel like anyone will believe you. It's just, I can't even imagine walking a day in her shoes or the shoes of any of these survivors. In fact, The prosecutor goes on to say, jane, what kind of work? What kind of work do you do now? Jane says, I'm still an actor. I got work in la, but I didn't know how to trust, how to reciprocate. She goes on to say, when did you stop being in touch with Jeffrey Epstein? Jane replies, In 2002, I fell in love with somebody. But Epstein kept calling her and saying he wanted to see her and that he needed to be. That she needed to be grateful to him and that her mother was living in one of his apartments. Do you want me to continue? The prosecutor says, was that the last time? Jane says, yes. So Epstein stopped calling her or kept trying to call her, and after she said to him that she had a boyfriend and was turning down his advances, seemed to be that it ended up. That was the last time she. She was seeing him. Right. The last time she had any contact with him. The prosecutor goes on to say later, did you tell the man I'll call Matt about Epstein? Jane says, yes, not in detail, but I did. By then, you saw Epstein on the TV all the time he had been arrested. Did the FBI interview you in September 2019? The prosecutor said. Jane responds with, yes, now remember the name Matt, because it's significant for what's coming up tomorrow. She goes on to say, did you sue Ghislaine Maxwell? Jane responds, yes. And the Epstein's victim fund? Jane says, yes, they awarded her $5 million and she got approximately 2.9 million of that. Still not enough. I've said it from the beginning, they should back the Brinks truck up when it comes to these girls. So it goes on with more questioning. And then, of course, you have the cross examination by Ghislaine Maxwell's team, and they're. They're going after her as far as her credibility, asking her, why did it take you, for instance, and you had two personal injury attorneys with you, Mr. Glaxman and Mr. Workman, after it took her 20 years to complain. So Meninger says, two full decades before your report to the Police, by then, Mr. Epstein was dead. Correct. And then Meninger goes on to say, in the 20 years, you spoke to several people close to you, to the person we're referring to as Matt, your sister, Camilla, whereas there was an objection by the prosecution. But this is interesting because what she's trying to say is, well, you didn't tell anybody right away, so how did this really happen? Can we really believe you? Meanwhile, anyone who follows cases like this understands repressed memory. So that was the. That's the basic line of questioning for Menninger and Maxwell's legal team. And it's exactly what we thought it would be. We thought it would be going after her credibility. We thought it would be going after who she is and that's exactly what we saw here today. So that was nothing out of the ordinary for sure. It was expected at least by me. Now I don't think it's a winning strategy however, so we'll have to see. But that is pretty much where we're at today folks. The two witnesses that were on the stand, a basic gist of about what the, the back and forth was about and caught up for the night. So obviously I will be back tomorrow morning, same time, early in the morning. We'll get an idea of what the lay of the land is, take a look at some of the headlines and and I'll do the same thing I did today, sit around and follow the thread over at Inner City Press. If you're on Twitter you definitely need to check them out and give them a follow because they're doing really good coverage here on the case and that's where I'm able to get these quotes from. So we'll do the same thing tomorrow. I'll go through it again. I'll notate some stuff that I find important and we'll go through it. So I appreciate everybody joining me for another evening and I hope that all of you have a great night. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that@bobby capuchirotonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A P U C c I@protonmail.com youm can also find me on Twitter. B O B B Y C A P U C C I alright everybody, I will be back later on and I.