Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And The Four Females Who Made His Operation Possible (Part 3-4) (5/9/26)

Summary

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The Epstein Chronicles - Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein And The Four Females Who Made His Operation Possible (Part 3-4)

Host: Bobby Capucci
Date: May 9, 2026
Episode Theme:
A deep-dive into “The Core Four”—the four female lieutenants who enabled Jeffrey Epstein’s abuse operation—as well as an exploration of the wider network of assistants, recruiters, and enablers who kept his criminal enterprise running, based on Tara Palmeri’s Politico exposé. Bobby Capucci provides commentary, strong opinions, and survivors’ perspectives, questioning the lack of accountability in the Epstein case.

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Episode Overview

This two-part "Mega Edition" continues Capucci’s series analyzing Tara Palmeri’s Politico investigation into the women who enabled Jeffrey Epstein—focusing on the “Core Four” (Sarah Kellen Vickers, Nadia Marcinkova, Leslie Groff, and Adriana Ross) as principal assistants, followed by broader discussion of recruiters and the complex network sustaining Epstein’s sex trafficking operation. Capucci scrutinizes legal inaction, survivor testimony, and the murky dynamics of culpability and victimhood within Epstein’s circle.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Core Four: Epstein’s Female Lieutenants

(00:54–41:18)

• The Core Four’s Role:

  • Capucci introduces the "Core Four": Sarah Kellen Vickers, Nadia Marcinkova, Leslie Groff, and Adriana Ross.
  • These women acted as operational lieutenants, handling grooming, travel, payments, phone logs, and normalization of abuse for Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
  • Quote: “The four lieutenants of Jeffrey Epstein, Sarah Kellen, Nadia Marcinkova, Leslie Grof and Adriana Ross were the glue that held this all together, so to speak. Without them, this could not have been done and performed on such a grand scale.” (10:50)

• Legal Evasion via Non-Prosecution Agreement:

  • None of the four have been criminally charged due to the 2008 non-prosecution agreement.
  • Capucci is furious with this outcome:
    Quote: “If anything has ever been deserved to...be lit on fire and...burned and scattered into the...four corners of time, it's that stupid ass non prosecution agreement.” (11:50)

• Survivor Testimonies and Lawsuits:

  • Survivors such as Courtney Wild provide vivid accounts of the Core Four’s involvement, particularly Sarah Kellen.
    • Kellen’s role: escorting young girls, maintaining logs, normalizing the abusive environment.
    • Quote (Courtney Wild, via Tara Palmeri): “You're 14 years old…I mean, she's a beautiful woman too...escorts me upstairs. It's weird, but I just kind of went with the flow of what everybody else was doing.” (16:50)
  • Capucci emphasizes the manipulation and normalization process that made young girls see extreme abuse as “normal.”

• Questioning Victimhood and Responsibility:

  • Capucci sharply distinguishes between underage victims coerced into criminal acts and adult women who became enablers:
    • “If you were an adult and you were engaging in this, I don't want to hear no bullshit…If you didn't go and speak to the police as one of his assistants...then you also are still culpable for the crimes committed while working with Epstein.” (29:48)

• Specific Core Four Profiles:

  • Sarah Kellen Vickers (aka Sarah Kensington):

    • Maxwell’s key lieutenant, deeply implicated but claims victim status.
    • Her protected status via the non-prosecution deal is heavily criticized.
    • Capucci’s take: “I do not believe it…Sarah, Kellen, Vickin Vickers, and the Core 4 all need to be brought in and put under oath.” (29:48)
    • Survivor Courtney Wild: “She was over the age of 21, so I feel like she was in a state of mind to make good and bad decisions, and she repeatedly made the wrong decisions.” (31:18)

  • Nadia Marcinkova:

    • Her case is labeled as a “gray area”—allegedly groomed and trafficked as a minor, yet later became involved in recruiting and abuse.
    • “With Marcinkova, there is gray area...she definitely needs some sort of penalty, right? Nobody should skate from this. But I certainly don't put her in the same category as I do Kellen.” (34:30)

  • Adriana Ross & Leslie Groff:

    • Both executed executive functions (e.g., travel, bookings, oversight of girls) and have avoided comment or claimed ignorance about the abuse.
    • Capucci ridicules legal defenses of ignorance.
    • Quote: “If you were in a drug cartel and you were the bookkeeper…do you think you would get let off…Hell, no. In for a penny, in for a pound.” (37:00)

  • Legal Strategy of the Epstein Estate:

    • The Survivors Compensation Fund included clauses shielding Epstein’s employees from lawsuits—another blow to accountability.

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2. Recruiters: The Second Ring of the Operation

(42:20–78:11)

• Recruiters as the Next Layer:

  • Beyond the Core Four, Epstein’s “recruiters” were a less formal network, incentivized by money, gifts, or privilege to bring new girls to Epstein.
  • Capucci calls out the “pipeline” of exploitation:
    • Quote: “He would get one girl from the high school...then sending her back to recruit more friends with the promise of money not only gave him a pipeline…but it also gave him a way out if he was ever caught.” (44:05)

• Moral Accountability of Adult Recruiters:

  • Adult women who recruited minors are not afforded sympathy by Capucci:
    • “Any adult who is out trying to bring a child to Jeffrey Epstein...should be held culpable for their actions. There's no excuse…” (51:10)
  • He’s particularly critical of those claiming victimhood after being outed, rather than coming forward of their own volition.

• Normalization and Network Effects:

  • Nightclubs and modeling circles were hotbeds for recruitment; Epstein’s “type” was well known, and “Jeffrey’s girls” became a recognized term in those social scenes.

• Case Study: Rena O and Chartoony

  • Rena O is highlighted as a recruiter whose own claims of victimhood stir debate. Capucci pushes back hard against adult recruiters seeking compensation:
    • “You knew what you were bringing Shartuni over there for. You knew what the deal was…So you can't act like you're innocent here.” (59:30)
  • Chartuni (a survivor) is open to some degree of forgiveness, showing the spectrum of survivor reaction.
    • “It really goes to show the sort of character, the sort of person that Ms. Chartuni is in a situation like this...forgiveness.” (75:51)

• Survivors’ Compensation Fund and Grey Areas:

  • The fund allows for adult assistants/recruiters to claim compensation if “credible duress” is established—Capucci is openly dubious.
  • Quote (on the fund’s parameters): “Those are weak ass parameters. So what? The whole core four is going to end up getting some money out of this? That would be the ultimate slap in the face…” (64:30)
  • Quote (Virginia Roberts, via text message, about Rena O): “I am never ever going to forgive her and definitely do not consider her to be a victim.” (73:41)

• Distinction for Minors as Recruiters:

  • Clear consensus (from Capucci and panel): children or teens manipulated into recruiting are not culpable, while adults or legal-aged participants are.

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3. Criticism of Authorities and Legal System

• Capucci repeatedly expresses outrage at the failure of law enforcement and prosecutors to charge the Core Four and other enablers, contrasting this with hypothetical responses to organized crime:
  • “Why is that not the case here? Why does the federal government still refuse to slap these people with RICO?” (37:00)
• He criticizes elite protection, influence, and the systemic bent of the US legal system in high-profile cases.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Core Four's Impunity:

  • “She in jail? Nope. She indicted as far as we know? No, she is not. What she is is protected under that non prosecution agreement.” – Capucci (12:20)

• On the normalization of abuse:

  • "There’s a reason Epstein didn’t have a bunch of dudes around him... He wanted these girls to feel comfortable...their job would be to normalize all of this." – Capucci (17:30)

• On survivor Courtney Wild's journey:

  • “She was living in a trailer park with a mother who struggled with addiction... she feared she would become homeless without the money she was earning from Epstein.” (23:10)

• On the responsibilities of adults:

  • “I’m big on adults having self responsibility. And if you are an adult and you are bringing other girls into the viper’s den...then you need to have a real accounting as well and you need to come forward and speak to the authorities.” (59:30)

• On survivors’ healing and forgiveness:

  • “It really goes to show the sort of character, the sort of person that Ms. Chartuni is...after all that has happened to her, she is still willing to try and see the forest through the trees.” (75:51)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|---------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:54 | Start of discussion on the “Core Four” and their core roles. | | 10:50 | Capucci’s overview of the lieutenants' centrality to operation| | 16:50 | Survivor quoted about initial recruitment, normalization. | | 29:48 | Scrutiny of Sarah Kellen Vickers’ claims and status. | | 34:30 | Gray area in responsibility: focus on Nadia Marcinkova. | | 37:00 | Discussion of accountability & comparison to other RICO cases | | 44:05 | Transition to focus on the recruiters’ role. | | 51:10 | Capucci’s argument about recruiter culpability. | | 59:30 | Deep dive on Rena O’s actions and the normalization process. | | 64:30 | Survivors compensation fund, critique of its provisions. | | 73:41 | Survivor Virginia Roberts’ statement on forgiveness/victimhood| | 75:51 | Reflection on survivor Chartuni's willingness to forgive. |

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Takeaways

• The scale and sophistication of Epstein’s abuse network were made possible by trusted female lieutenants and a web of recruiters who remain uncharged due to legal technicalities and elite protection.
• Survivor testimonies make clear the strategic grooming and normalization used by Epstein’s team, with adults enablers bearing a special share of responsibility.
• There’s ongoing debate around the boundaries of victimhood, coercion, and complicity within trafficking operations, especially as some adult assistants and recruiters seek compensation from victim funds.
• Capucci calls for rigorous legal action, transparency, and a reckoning for all enablers—not just Epstein and Maxwell.

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Contact Information:

• To reach Bobby Capucci: [e-mail]
• Twitter: @bobby_capucci

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For detailed reading, see Tara Palmeri’s Politico article “The Women Who Enabled Jeffrey Epstein.”

Transcript

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Parties named and parties not named, remember? So these women, the Core four, have been able to skirt under the radar for the most part and not have to face the consequences of being involved in a straight up criminal enterprise that wasn't just involved in human trafficking, but you had a slew of other criminal activities that they were engaging in on a regular basis. You can start with the money laundering, you can start with the tax evasion, you can jump into the witness tampering, you, all of it. And yet somehow the Core four, these assistants that we're going to talk about in a second here and the other people who are integral in this operation getting off the ground and the operation running, still have not even been charged. Now could there Be something going on behind the scenes? Could there be plea deals being cut? Possibly. Could there be sealed indictments we don't know about? Very possible. But as it stands now, with what we know and what we can point to that is concrete, well, none of these people, the assistants here, the Core Four, have been charged. And it's an absolute travesty that that has occurred. The Ghislaine Maxwell's a good start, there's no doubt. She definitely deserves to be charged here. She definitely deserves to sit down in front of a jury of her peers and explain what's going on. Because let me tell you what, the allegations against her are strong and they are many. And the same goes for the Core Four. So these women, these lieutenants working underneath Ghislaine Maxwell to advance Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell's agenda, well, they have to answer for it. So I'm glad that Tara Palmeri really dug into the weeds here and dropped such a in depth article. Not one that just goes into one aspect of the case, Right. An article that deals with all the different tentacles, you know, the, the main threads of the case. And it's about time somebody did that. And it's about time the Core Four were put on blast once again. So today, for part three of our ongoing political article, we're going to talk about the Core 4 and the assistance again. This article was authored by Tara Palmeri and it was published by Politico. The assistants. One of the most astonishing things about Epstein's empire was its scale. Hundreds of women and girls were allegedly abused. 100%. One of the most insane things about this whole operation was how big it was. Now a lot of times you hear about this, this kind of thing, right? And it's happening in a bubble almost to where the person, someone like Jeffrey Epstein or Keith Ray Neary, where they can almost control things, right? Everything's really guarded and the people are part of like almost a cult. And while I think that was the case here, as far as the people engaging in this, meaning Epstein and the Core Four, they had like cult like behavior, but it was different because they were bringing in random girls, new girls all the time, and they were able to get away with it because this intricate web, this network that they had set up, and none of that would have been possible without people like Sara Kellen Vickers or Adriana Ross or Leslie Groff. None of this would have been possible just with Maxwell riding around in a car. Epstein's survivors needed to be arranged, compensated and instructed to bring more survivors. A Second tier of women employed as assistants kept the wheels of the sex trafficking enterprise turning. And it's very crucial that people understand this, right? It's not only the person who is sitting at the top of the, the food chain per se, the person in charge of the operation. There are a bunch of moving pieces that have to work together in coordination or an operation like this cannot run. And that's where the Core 4 came in. Grooming, setting up travel arrangements, paying money out, normalizing this sort of behavior. And in some cases, according to some of the survivors, partaking in the abuse themselves. None of these women has been charged with wrongdoing connected to Epstein, but they have been named in legal documents and by survivors. And that's, that's the key, right? And that's the path that I try to stay on here on the podcast, at the very least, and, and make sure that the people we discuss are people that have been named by the survivors or in these court documents. I think it's important to stay on task here, right? Stay on target because it's obvious we're over the bombing range. It's obvious we're over the target. Just take a look at what's come since 2019 to where we are now. Look at what has happened and look at the progress that has been made as far as this case goes now. Nowhere near enough, right? But at least it's moving forward and not stuck in neutral or hell, moving backwards like it has several times in the past. Sarah Kellen, Nadia Marcinkova, Leslie Groff and Adriana Ross all were named as unindicted co conspirators in Epstein's 2008 non prosecution agreement. And those four are who I have dubbed the core four. If you're not hip to that yet, if you're new to the podcast or maybe catching it for the first time. The four lieutenants of Jeffrey Epstein, Sarah Kellen, Nadia Marcinkova, Leslie Grof and Adriana Ross were the glue that held this all together, so to speak. Without them, this could not have been done and performed on such a grand scale. According to lawsuits filed by Epstein survivors, cross court testimony in police reports, Kellen Groff and Ross were tasked with scheduling and managing the teenage girls coming in and out of his homes, including collecting contact information, taking messages, and arranging the girls travel. Now how in the hell can that not be classified as conspiracy? You're telling me that's not a criminal conspiracy? You have all of these people working together in tandem, hand in hand, one person setting up the travel, another person taking Care of paying the Fazuls out, another person setting up how the massage is going to be. And then at the very top of it, scumbag himself, Jeffrey Epstein sitting there with his disgusting ass ugly face ready to finish it all off is absolutely disgusting. That these women A would engage in this and B that they would be protected under that non prosecution agreement. If anything has ever been deserved to. To. To be lit the. Lit on fire and. And burned and scattered into the. The. The four corners of time. It's that stupid ass non prosecution agreement. Oh, the 11th Circuit Court of appeals had their chance but of course they shit the bed. Of course they didn't pursue justice. So these women, the core four are left out there living the living their best lives. Look at Sarah, Kellen Vickers, married to a NASCAR driver. Leslie Groff, living it up. Adriana Ross, Nadia Marcinkova. Meanwhile these girls have to scrape and claw just to get recognition by this compensation fund that ran out of money. By the way. It's an absolute joke. And I don't know how the SDNY and the prosecutors aren't all over this. Kellen, who has also gone by the name Sarah Kensington. I mean, give me a break with that name. I don't mean to digress, but really. Hi, I'm Sarah Kensington. I'm from Kensington Court. Would you like to come over and have some tea? That's what she was going for with that name, right? Some kind of like posh ass wannabe English name? Was she following in the footsteps of her favorite her. Her buddy, her boss, Ghisain Maxwell? Is that what she was looking for? Sarah Kensington? Give me a break. 41 was Epstein's personal assistant. In lawsuits and survivor interviews she has been described as Maxwell's lieutenant or second in command. Oh yeah, that's exactly how she has been described and that's the role that she played according to these survivors. But Sarah Kellen Vickers, is she. She busted? Nah. She in jail? Nope. She indicted as far as we know. No, she is not. What she is is protected under that non prosecution agreement. Though I wonder how many people are rotting away in jail right now for much less offenses because they didn't have a big homie like Jeffrey Epstein to hook them up with a non prosecution agreement. But Becky with the good hair, oh, she gets hooked up right? Such a joke. It's such a joke and it's a scam. 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these agencies, they're out of control with whatever game they're playing right now, and they've certainly lost sight of the of the target. And that target is to bring people to justice who deserve it. There's not enough of that going on these days. And this big black eye that's staring everybody in the face, that's the Jeffrey Epstein case. Just personifies that. Multiple survivors have said in court documents that she was instrumental in their abuse, including escorting them up to Epstein's room. When police began investigating Epstein's behavior in Florida in the mid-2000s, they sought an arrest warrant for Kellen, though the Palm beach county state attorney's office denied the request, citing insufficient evidence yeah, more like a backroom arm twisting by Dershowitz and company. We all know that shit was a farce. We know that that non prosecution agreement wouldn't have been served up to anybody, El, but to Jeffrey Epstein, Mr. Rich. Rich Richington. Oh, no problem. Let's make sure we hook him up. He has a lot of powerful friends. He has a picture of Bill Clinton on his wall. He's palling around with Donald Trump. Oh, he knows Prince Andrew. Oh, he's friends with Bill Gates. Oh, Leon Black. They're fast friends. So of course this guy gets the hookup, right? His friends get the hookup. Becky with the good hair gets the hookup. It's Kellan whom Courtney Wilde, 33, remembers most vividly from the day she first walked through Epstein's door in Palm beach in 2002. Wilde was just 14, still in Middle school with a mouthful of braces. To her, Kellen's friendliness made the situation seem normal. And that was the function, right, for Kellen. There's a reason Epstein didn't have a bunch of dudes around him, right? He didn't. He wanted these girls to feel comfortable, these little girls, so he'd have other women around him. Vibrant, well spoken, well dressed, got the nice haircuts, you know, you know the type. And their job would be to normalize all of this shit, make the scheduling appointments and all of that stuff. And Sarah Kellen Vickers was at the forefront of all of it. It. But somehow. Well, somehow she is. Somehow gets a pass. You're 14 years old and you go to a mansion. And then Sarah Kellen, I mean, she's a beautiful woman too. She's very nice, you know, escorts me upstairs. Wilde said in an interview. It's weird, but I just kind of went with the flow of what everybody else was doing. And again, that's part of the normalization process. We talk about if everybody else is doing it, then it's normal, right? And when you're an impressionable youth, a lot easier to be swayed. You're much more malleable, and these people know it. You add to that the fact that these kids, these young girls, come from broken homes, disadvantaged homes, they don't have money. And you add that as another carrot dangling. It's not hard to see how these girls fell into the trap and ended up in this spider web. But would they have fallen into this trap if it was Jeffrey Epstein and three dudes sitting around? I highly doubt it, folks. Some dude approaches these young girls while they're on the streets. Well, what kicks in right away, stranger danger. Some well spoken Becky with the good hair looking girl shows up though. Whole different ball game, right? You got that trust factor right away. Because in society we don't ever think or want to think anyway that a woman would engage in something like this. We think that, you know, oh, girls are going to protect girls, a woman's going to protect a woman and not let something like this occur. But unfortunately that is not the case. It's weird, but I just kind of went with the flow of what everybody else was doing. In 2008, Wild sued the federal government for violating the rights of Epstein survivors by striking his non prosecution agreement without their knowledge. A case that is ongoing. She has been a public advocate for survivors rights since and has spoken openly about her story. And that's a little tidbit right there, right? The case is ongoing according to Tara Palmeri here. So maybe she knows something that we don't. Maybe they are going to kick it up to the Supreme Court. I remember them saying that they were thinking about it, but I don't know if a decision had been made. I really hope that they do because I think that the Supreme Court will take a look at this and understand that the law is what the law is here. And the amicus brief filed by those who, you know, wrote the law probably should weigh in and be a heavy factor. It should certainly mean more than the interpretation of some idiot judge who graduated from Harvard. The people who wrote the law might have an idea of what its meaning is. And for her to say about how, you know, she went with the flow and everybody else was doing it there, that was part of it. Again, it's huge, right? The psychological effect of something like that is big. When you're introduced to something and everybody is doing it and it's normalized in the group that you're with. Then it's normalized behavior. For crack addicts when they're all hanging out in the bando, beaming up to Scotty, that's normalized behavior. To you and I, it's abhorrent and it's horrifying to us. And scary, right? We see something like that, we're like holy shit, what the hell. But not for them. That's normalized to them. That's everyday behavior. Same with people who live in a war torn country hearing mortar fire and bombs blowing up and car bombs going off in front of the school. Unfortunately you get desensitized to it and it becomes normalized. And we see that with the survivors, with Epstein and as part of Their grooming process. Once she was recruited, Wild says she was told she had another option. Instead of having sex with Epstein, she could be paid to recruit others. And that was another part of it, right? Epstein and his people knew that if they were crafty enough and they said, oh, we're paying these girls. We. We're giving them money, then they could set it up for later on and say, well, they were prostitutes. We were paying them for their services rendered. I. We didn't know they were underage. And that is exactly the defense Jeffrey Epstein used. And the fact that the state prosecutors let him get away with it is laughable. That's like getting pulled over, being drunk out of your brain, failing the. The. The. The breathalyzer, and still getting off somehow. Quite obvious what was going on here. And she wasn't alone. During a raid on Epstein's house in 2005, police found phone logs signed by Kellen with the names of teenagers who were called for confirmation of work. So basically, Sarah Kellen Vickers was running around like a madam here, calling girls in, sending them out, signing off on paperwork. What more do you need SDNY to prosecute? I mean, are you guys for real over there? Maureen, Comey, can you guys prosecute Sarah, Kel and Vickers and. And the core four, please, for their part in all of this? At the very least, don't you think they should come in and speak with you guys under oath? Now, again, I might be missing the mark. They might have already done all of this behind the scenes, but somehow I think that would have leaked. We know that there's all sorts of leaking issues that go on at the sdny, so I would be shocked that they were able to keep this. Mum's the word. But maybe they have, and maybe we'll see a superseding indictment that names all of these people as well as Maxwell in a j. A. A grand conspiracy case. Because that is exactly what it is, folks. It's all right here in black and white. If you don't think a grand jury would indict on this, I don't know what to tell you, because they most certainly would. Epstein essentially was running an enterprise at Royal Palm Beach High School. According to survivor testimony given to the Palm beach police, each teen would earn around $200 if she brought a new friend to Epstein. And the fact that they were able to keep this basically quiet for this long is insane. I remember being in high school. Nobody could have a secret. You told one person, forget it. Everybody knew. So how the hell was he able to keep all of this running in this sort of fashion, if he was not being protected, if he didn't have help from authorities, people to give him a heads up if an investigation's coming, some politician friends to give them a little wink, wink, nudge, nudge, yo, Jeffrey. Shits on its way. Because there is no way these kids weren't talking about what was going on. In fact, that was part of their job to tell other kids, right? I want you to come. So how anyone could say that this was some sort of secret or that nobody knew is laughable. This spread throughout the school. Although Palm beach is known for its wealth, surrounding towns are less affluent. For girls from underprivileged families, $200 was a big deal. Weil was living in a trailer park at the time with a mother who struggled with addiction. She told me she feared she would become homeless without the money she was earning from Epstein. And unfortunately, you see those kind of stories all the time, right? In this case, Courtney Wilde turn to Epstein with that money and to the situation she found over there. Other girls turn to the streets and start turning tricks, get caught up with a pimp, and before you know it, they don't even know that they're being trafficked. And that's the sad reality of all of this shit for the forgotten amongst us. So when everybody's out there virtue signaling and talking all the bullshit that they talk, ask them, what are they doing for their community? What are they doing besides being a coffee shop revolutionary and pounding out tweets? If you want to mosh folks, you gotta get in the pit. Kellen visited Epstein during and after his first incarceration multiple times, according to prison records. And that's another thing, right? You aren't going to tell me that you're victimized by Epstein or you're a victim of the situation or anything like that, and you're visiting this dude in prison. Stop it. Nobody's buying that. Who's going to buy that? Maybe the weirdos over at the compensation fund are going to buy it, but nobody who's rational is buying it. Nobody in society, Nobody following this case. You're not a victim. You had ample time to go to the police. In fact, you were protected under a non prosecution agreement. So I don't want to hear from anyone protected from that with. With that thing. But she considers herself one of Epstein's victims too. Born into a strict family of Jehovah witnesses, she started working for Epstein when she was 22 after divorcing her first husband and becoming estranged from her parents. And and community. I love how they like how she sets it up right? Like oh well she was born into a Jehovah Witnesses family, okay? And plenty of people born into Jehovah Witnesses families that don't end up helping human traffickers and engaging in that behavior. Weak ass excuse. How about some personal responsibility? What's ever happened to that? Nobody is down with personal responsibility. Let me be very clear. Every single problem in my life, every hurdle I have had for the most part has been self created. I have no one to blame for any circumstance in my life but myself. Not society, not my parents, not my neighbors, not some dickhead politician. My own bad decision making has screwed me more times than not. It would be nice to see some of these people take some personal responsibility. Oh my daughter. Oh my religion. Oh my peg leg. Enough already.

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Earn your applied Bachelor's degree in as little as three years fully online with Unity Environmental University. Gain cutting edge skills in less time with less tuition while learning on your own schedule. Visit Unity Edu Career Edge to get started When Sarah was targeted by Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, she, like many of their victims, was struggling financially and emotionally, her spokesperson said in a statement. Soon after Sarah was brought into Epstein's world, he began to sexually and psychologically abuse her. Abuse that endured for years. But still she didn't go to the police. Still, she was protected under the non prosecution agreement. Where's her, her her her her big statement to the media when she gonna sit down for an hour long conversation with Tara Paul? Mary, she's not about that life. She's about positioning herself as a victim. I'm sorry but I I do not believe it. Look, there's a. There's a very fine line in this case, and I'm certainly not the arbiter of who is a victim and who is not. And I never will try and be, but when it comes to bullshit like this, trying to gaslight me. Oh, no, sorry. That's not going to happen, okay? There's no gray area here for me. Sarah, Kellen, Vickin Vickers, and the Core 4 all need to be brought in and put under oath. And in my opinion, my humble opinion, charged with rico. Kellen's representative said Kellen did schedule appointments and massages for Epstein and Maxwell, but that she never recruited young girls for them. The spokesperson would not say whether Kellen has applied for survivor's compensation. Well, again, let's get her under oath, and let's see how her tune changes now that big sis Maxwell got herself caught up. Big sis Maxwell's getting busted for perjury. Let's see how quickly the rest of these serpents are willing to lie under oath. Weill told me it's upsetting for her to hear that Kellan calls herself a victim. How could you do this? She said tearily. She was over the age of 21, so I feel like she was in a state of mind to make good and bad decisions, and she repeatedly made the wrong decisions. Courtney is being way too kind here. And I get it. Courtney is not, you know, that's not her who she is. She's not going to come out and just eviscerate Sarah Kellen Vickers, but I will. I don't have no chill. I can get ignorant when that's the road that has to be traveled, folks. Oh, I can put on my ignorant hat. Believe it. And sometimes it's called for. And when you're dealing with people like Sarah Kellen Vickers, Adriana Ross, Leslie Groff and the rest of them, well, sometimes you just gotta call it what it is. And Sarah, Kellen Vickers and the rest of these girls are not victims, okay? They're not victims of Jeffrey Epstein. Mar. We can have a conversation about her. That's about it, though. If you didn't go and speak to the police as one of his assistants, as one of his core four after he was arrested, then you also are still culpable for the crimes committed while working with Epstein. Point blank period. Police reports have stated that another assistant of Epstein's, Marcinkova, now 36, engaged in sex acts with Epstein survivors nearly two decades ago. And again, Marcin Cova is a weird case, Right? It said that she was purchased from her parents as a juvenile herself and groomed from adolescence, you know, teenage years into what Jeffrey Epstein wanted her to be. So I think that there is some gray area with Marcinkova now, enough gray area for her not to serve any penalty or serve any jail time. I don't know if there's that much gray area. After Epstein was jailed in Florida, she visited him at least 54 times, according to media reports. In a statement to Politico, her lawyer said that Marcinkova, too, was victimized by Epstein. According to a Palm beach police report, Epstein once told a survivor that he had purchased Marcinkova at age 15 from her family in Yugoslavia to be a sex slave. So right there, that shows you what I'm talking about with Marcinkova. There is gray area with Marcinkova, for sure. And I think that she definitely needs some sort of penalty, right? Nobody, nobody should skate from this. But I certainly don't put her in the same category as I do Kellen. Now, people might disagree, and I'm not gonna. I wouldn't even argue it with you, to be honest with you, if you wanted to go harsh on her, because I get it. We're talking about crimes perpetrated against children. But when you're dealing with somebody who was purchased from their parents at 15 by somebody like Epstein, you have to think that the psychological effects are severe and the trauma is severe and the normalization of it all. So I'll leave that up to the experts. When it comes to Marcinkova, Nadia wants to speak out about her victimization and help Epstein's other survivors. The lawyer statement said. Unfortunately, she is not yet able to comment publicly. The lawyer would not say whether Marcinkova has applied for victims compensation. Now, again, a little too late, in my opinion. Nadia going to see the guy 54 times while he was in jail. Come on now, stop it. So again, compensation. Nope. Your compensation was all the money you raked in while you were working for Epstein, your pilot's license and all of that. That was your compensation that you got from ill gotten gains, by the way, that if any of us were involved in, well, we'd be facing a rico suit. Ross, 38, who also has gone by Adriana Muczynska, has avoided commenting about her association with Epstein, including refusing to answer questions in a 2010 deposition. She did not respond to requests for comment. Yeah, Adriana Ross or Muczynska? She does. She does not want to talk about this at all. She knows the deal. She understands that she has big problems here in this case, if they decide to go down that road, she is certainly a key player. One of the core four, one of Epstein's big time assistants, and it's time for all of them to get caught up in this dragnet. Groff, 54, worked as Epstein's executive assistant in Manhattan when she was in her 30s. Yeah, I guess we're gonna say that she was too young, too, right? She didn't know any better as well. Leslie Grof had no idea what Jeffrey Epstein was. Give me a break. According to court documents filed in a 2019 lawsuit by survivor Jennifer Araos, Grof was critical in facilitating Epstein's sexual abuse. She looked after Epstein's survivors, booked their travel, and made sure they maintained rules of behavior. Now, let me ask you a question. Say you were in a drug cartel and you were the bookkeeper, right? You were, you know, taking care of the books, making, you know, the travel, blah, blah, blah. And the head of that cartel was busted, and the whole thing was busted. Do you think you would get let off and you were. You wouldn't be brought up on charges of conspiracy? Hell, no. In for a penny, in for a pound. Every single person involved would be getting charged. Why is that not the case here? Why does the federal government still refuse to slap these people with rico? In a statement to Politico, Grof's lawyer said she never witnessed anything improper or illegal while working for Epstein, and that she has always maintained her innocence in the Arraos case. Well, okay. Well, I never witnessed anything illegal either with those £85,000 of cocaine that shipped from Mexico to the port in Sicily. But somehow I got. When? When. When everything went to shit. I'm the boss. I got busted, too. So how's that. How's that work? Oh, she didn't know. So she's immune from the law. You better know who you're working for. You better know what you're getting into. That case was dropped when Arreos accepted payment from the Survivors compensation fund, which has a provision saying applicants cannot sue Epstein's employees. It's a way to safeguard the estate, whose executors are two longtime Epstein lawyers. From future legal action and financial liability. And, you know, again, I'm not going to delve too deep into the compensation funds thing. It's not really for any of us to say, right? If. If these survivors believe that the compensation fund is the right route for them to go, then I say go for it. If somebody feels like it's not right for them and they're going to sue the out of these people, sue the pants off of them and go after every single one of these people one at a time. I'm cool with that too. It's really, you know, not for me to decide, but I think that that compensation fund better be doing the right thing and they better be paying out the right amount of money to these, these girls. Dan Weiner, an attorney for the co execututors of Epstein's estate, wrote in an email that the provision was meant to provide as much closure as possible. Ongoing litigation would defeat the program's goal of fully and finally resolving claims against the estate arising from Mr. Epstein's conduct, Weiner wrote. Let's just get it all out of the way now. If they come in one at a time, we're gonna get picked clean and there won't be anything left for us to dive into when the corpse is there and we go into vulture mode. Maybe I'm just cynical, but that's the way it reads to me. But multiple survivors have told me the provision has made them more reluctant to apply for restitution. The language that this document is made up of seems to only protect a lot of the other co conspirators and it just seems to benefit the lawyers, chartoony said. And I don't think she's wrong about that. Maybe, you know, maybe we're, we're all just cynical, right? Maybe that's it. And these lawyers are great people and they really care about the survivors. Somehow I think that the lawyers for the estate and the people involved in the compensation fund are only worried about their own pockets. All right folks, that's going to conclude part three of our dive into Tara Paul Mary's awesome article the Women who

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Talking about the recruiters. Beyond Maxwell and Epstein's assistants was a larger, more informal network of women who were lured by Epstein's gifts, cash trips, college credits, apartments, or access to his powerful contacts to bring other women to him. And that was the game that Epstein played, right? Epstein would. He collected these women, these girls, and then he would set them out into whatever industry they worked in or whatever social circle they ran in. And he would bring in other girls to be part of the scheme, to be part of the plot. And all of that occurred because of the money, right? If you have enough money, you can spread it around and get things moving in the direction you want them to move. And that is why I'm so adamant about the money hunt in this case, about chasing down the financials. That's why we've laid out the FinCEN files the way we have, why we've talked about the Panama Papers, why we've talked about Open Lux. Because the financial pathway here is the proper pathway, in my opinion. If you're looking to really go after all of these people, even the ones that were on the periphery, then the pathway to get there is financially. Anybody telling you any different is blowing smoke up your ass. These people are shrewd and they're calculating, and they know how to cover their ties and cover their tracks. And the only way to nail them a lot of times is through that dark money. The same dark money that allowed Epstein to build this whole entire operation. He was able to float this dark money to these people and in turn build the enterprise and build the pyramid scheme, basically. And the whole while giving himself the COVID by paying these girls and saying, well, they were prostitutes. I was just a simple john. And the lame ass bitch ass authorities let him slide. In some cases, they scoured nightclubs or restaurants for Epstein's type, which he described to Wild and other survivors as the younger the better. Now, the first time someone says that to me is the last time I ever speak with them. The younger the better. Some grown ass man. Now, I get it. Courtney Wilde is a different situation. She was engaged in being abused by this man. I'm talking about in general as a man or a woman or whatever, and you're in some kind of social setting and someone even makes a joke like that, I'm looking at you sideways. Probably not the subject to joke about, right? But unfortunately, it wasn't a joke with Jeffrey Epstein. It was real. And the nightmare that all of these survivors were living and are still living through, unfortunately, was real as well. Epstein survivors commonly used the term recruiters, including in court allegations, to refer to the adult women like, oh. Who sought out others for Epstein and who they believe should be held accountable for their actions. Look, I. I agree with that 100%. I'm certainly not some sort of specialist in this field. However, like, when it comes to, like, human emotion and what drives humans to do this sort of thing and all the other circumstances that surround the predicament that some of these women might find themselves in. Look, I'm certainly not capable of delving into that end of the pool. All I can talk is from, you know, the peanut gallery as an observer. And for my money, any adult who is out trying to bring a child to Jeffrey Epstein or somebody like Jeffrey Epstein should be held culpable for their actions. There's no excuse for a grown ass man or woman to bring somebody to. To a guy like Jeffrey Epstein. I don't care how much money you're being paid. I don't care about any of it. You have to draw the line somewhere, right? And then if you don't draw that line later on down the road when it's all exposed and your name pops up, you can't cry foul and cry victim then, right? Where were you when people were actually being victimized? Oh, that's right. You were bringing these girls to Jeffrey Epstein like pigs to the slaughter. So when we're looking back on this now with revisionist history, it's going to be a hard sell, at least for me, for these recruiters to try and posit themselves as victims. I'm sorry, but that dog just does not hunt with me. A grown ass adult should know better. Still, recruitment in Epstein's world was a gray area. Even the adult recruiters were still much younger than Epstein. And insidiously, Epstein often tasked the minors he abused with bringing their friends to him, too. Look, I don't. I don't really care that they were young adults and Jeffrey Epstein was much older than them. I. I don't. I don't think that that is an excuse for you bringing other young girls to this man to be abused, Especially if you were being exposed to that abuse yourself. We're not talking about El Chapo here, folks. Right? We're not talking about, you know, some sicario who is murdering people. Any one of these recruiters, these adult recruiters could have at. At any time went to the police in Palm beach who already had this investigation open. They could have contacted any prosecutor, basically, but they didn't. And Would have they come forward and even talked about any of this. This. This arena O lady. Or any of them if they weren't called out onto the car bit? You see, when you're compelled to do something and you're forced to do something, I'm not giving you your props for that. I'm not giving you a fist bump for that. Where were you for all of these years? Why are you coming out now that you might have some liability now? It's a big problem now. You gotta get out in front of it. I'm not buying it. I'm sorry. It's unclear exactly how many adult recruiters Epstein had and who they were. Many of their names remain hidden. Paolo Zampoli, the founder of a modeling agency in New York told me Epstein's recruiters were so rampant in Manhattan that they became known as the. In the modeling and nightclub world as Jeffries girls. Now, the nightclub angle is an angle that has not really been explored as much. Right? And it's certainly interesting to me to look at things from that angle. So if anybody is out there listening to the podcast and you were working in the club scene in New York during that time and you got some, some tea to spill perhaps about what occurred, hit me up. You guys know the email address by now? Shoot me an email. Let's talk about it. Because there's. There was definitely an element to this and probably several elements to this that are still being overlooked. That's how vast this criminal enterprise was. And again, it just makes me shake my head that there is not a RICO charge hanging over all of their heads. That would give the government a lot of ability to do things that they can't do otherwise. Shartuni, who consented to be named for this article, was. Was a 20 year old model from a small town in Alaska and a recent transplant to Manhattan when OH brought her to Epstein's massive townhouse. And again with this Rena O lady, she certainly has come out with guns blazing in her defense, right? And hey, look, she's more than entitled to tell her story and I'm more than willing to listen, but things just aren't adding up to me. Now again, remember, this is my opinion, right? I'm not the be all, end all the. The. The arbiter of truth in this case. I'm just a guy like most of you who was pissed off seeing what happened here, looking at the incredible injustice and decided to start running his fat yap about it. And if my opinion resonates with a lot of you out there, which it seems to. That's great. But I'm just, you know, I call it how I see it here on this podcast and for me I just don't see how someone like Rena oh should have any kind of status as as a victim here.

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She could have went to the the authorities. She never went to the authorities. Why did her name have to get brought up by one of the survivors and on on Tara Palmeri's show? Why did the survivors themselves have to bring her name up if she was so worried about what was going on and she was also victimized here? And again, look, I'm not saying at some point Epstein wasn't crude with her or that Epstein didn't abuse her. In some sense he might have. That was his mo. He was a sick bastard. Right? So don't get me wrong, I'm not, you know, completely void of empathy. Right. I get it. It's a confusing situation. There's a lot of things going on here. But at the end of the day, I'm big on self responsibility. I'm big on adults having self responsibility. And if you are an adult and you are bringing other girls into the viper's den, you are bringing other girls in to this spider's web, then you need to have a real accounting as well and you need to come forward and speak to the authorities once again. Where was she for all of these years? Now all of a sudden water is getting a bit hot, eyes are starting to turn to you. You get outed on this show and all of a sudden now you were a victim as well. And she might look, she might have been, right, she might have been. But does that excuse me? Her bringing other girls, some of them underage, to Jeffrey Epstein. I'm sorry, but it doesn't. It is literally like Alice in Wonderland, like walking through the rabbit hole. As soon as you got in that door. Shartuni told me she recalls that, oh asked if she wanted to meet a friend of hers, which could be interpreted in so many different ways. Shartuni said, and that's the disingenuous part that I have a problem with. Right? Rena oh knew what Jeffrey Epstein was. She had brought other girls there before. So you can't act like you're innocent here. You can't act like you had no idea what was going on. You know, what you were bringing Shartuni over there for. You knew what the deal was. This young girl from Alaska, pie eyed in New York City, and you're gonna slide in and act like, you know, oh, yeah, I got this great guy for you to meet. He can fight further your career. Here's an idea. If you really are a victim like Rena and some of these other gals say they were, then instead of bringing girls to Jeffrey Epstein, you should have brought Jeffrey Epstein to the authorities. Oh made it seem also so normative. She said I was just like, everyone had a part and I didn't know it. After the incident with Owen Epstein, she never saw him again. So again, when we talk about it being normalized, that's not just us spitballing, right? The survivors themselves have talked about how when they would walk into a place like this, everything was normalized. The behavior, the actions, the way people conducted themselves, the way people behaved, the crude touching, all normalized. And from my vantage point or from your vantage point, that's not our scene, right? We don't. For us, we'd walk into that and we'd know right away that that shit, something was wrong. But people who are brought up in this or brought into this and this behavior is normalized through the grooming process. It's just normal to them. And I know it's hard to comprehend, right? It's hard to put yourself in that position where you're like, how could I? How could you ever get. I get it, I get it. You know, we all have different upbringings. Some of us are more skeptical than others. Some of us had parents who drilled it into our heads to distrust everybody, basically like my parents. And then, you know, you have other people whose parents might not have been around, maybe not because they're drug addicts or bad people, but because they were trying to put food on the table. What do you think the fairy godmother of nutrition is showing up with a basket for your kids? It's either go to work or Tang sandwiches. And if you ain't ever been poor, well, those are actual real choices people have to make in life, folks. So I can understand how this can happen, right? I can understand how these girls can get caught up in this. But for somebody like Rena. Oh. Or these other adults who are involved in bringing these girls there, grooming them, and normalizing all of this, I'm hard pressed to find any sympathy. Now, again, I'm not the arbiter of truth here. I'm just a guy with an opinion. But the real victims, the real people who deserve empathy here are the young girls, children in a lot of cases that were brought against their will into the spider web of this madman by these unremorseful assistants. When pressed about Chartuni's allegation of assault. Oh. Admitted to being in the room with Epstein. And Chartuni was. But said, my side of the story is I did not abuse anyone, period. People that knew about him wanted to meet him, and I brought those people there, period. So, again, she's very combative, right? She comes across as. Yeah, right. This has nothing to do with me. I'm a victim, too. Almost as if it's a guaranteed position for her. Well, some people might feel that way, and that's fine. And I'm not gonna sit here and make pretend that what she did was okay, Though I think what she did was repugnant, was gross, was wrong, and I believe that she might be culpable here. Now, the statute of limitations might say differently, and the prosecutors might say something else as well while they're busy doing whatever it is that they're doing. But I think that with statements such as this, she brought people there that knew about him and wanted to meet him. I'm pretty sure. Sure that that's not the case. Pretty sure that Ms. Chartuni didn't want to be abused by Jeffrey effing Epstein. All right? So, please, with that sort of combative nature, that sort of combative nonsense, what do you think you're gonna find in from people who are following this case? You don't have any remorse. She. She insisted she did not know Epstein would. How. Excuse me? She insisted she did not know how Epstein would treat Chartuni today? O Says Epstein abused both her and Chartoony in the encounter, which is part of the reason she is seeking victim compensation herself. May have. Right. More like greed would be my Guess. Okay. And you know your side of the story is what exactly? That you engaged in this sort of behavior with Epstein and this was the only time. I mean, come on, let's just end all of this now and the prosecutor should bring her in and put her under oath. Let's get her under oath and let's see what her story is then. Enough of the BS with these people, all of them. Every single person who is being accused of this needs to be brought in, put under oath, and have a conversation had with them with a seasoned interrogator. By the way, a spokesperson for the compensation fund declined comment for this article. But the fund has published guidelines stating that individuals who allegedly assisted Epstein and procuring other victim survivors can apply for compensation where there is a credible basis to determine that the individual acted under duress as a result of her own sexual abuse by Epstein. Now, again, I am certainly not an expert in the field in the area, right? I'm not a psychologist. I tell you guys that quite a bit. And as you know, I try not to swerve out of my lane ever when it comes to situations like that. But I don't think that this is an acceptable parameter for the compensation fund. It gives an out to a lot of these people who should be getting an in. And when I say an in, I mean an invitation to jail. So this compensation fund again seems like a good idea. But boy, there sure are some questions. And I have my doubts about the people who are managing this fund. Folks, I'll just be straight up, point blank honest with you, Feldman and the rest of them. I smell weasel. Camille Biros, who helped set up the Epstein compensation fund but is not involved in determining its payouts, said adult women like O could be eligible for compensation based on factors such as the frequency and level of abuse they faced, its impact, whether they were threatened and what kind of corroboration is provided. Boy, those are weak ass parameters. Those are weak ass parameters. So what? The whole core four is going to end up getting some money out of this. That would be the ultimate slap in the face, spit in the eye. Imagine if you're one of these survivors and the people who helped you be abused, the people who groomed you, the people who recruited you, were also positing themselves as survivors as victims and were getting money from the compensation fund. I would look at that personally as money being taken right out of my pocket, food off of my plate. And there is nothing more unacceptable, in my opinion, than when that occurs. These people are absolutely without shame in my opinion. These so called victims of Jeffrey Epstein who are really recruiters, who are really abusers, it is, it is a very, very shameful situation. If they are not a minor, maybe their mental capacity is not up to the number of years old they are, said Biro's who has managed high profile compensation funds for victims of terrorist attacks, plane crashes and sexual abuse. There are a number of things to consider. I think the number one thing to consider is what sort of misery was caused by these recruiters bringing these girls to Jeffrey Epstein. Furthermore, if you did not go to the authorities after the incident, after Epstein was arrested the first time, you should lose all rights to compensation. Point blank. Period. No discussions, no pass. Go. And certainly not collecting that $200. That should be the parameters of this. Anita Tika, senior director of the anti trafficking program at the New York nonprofit Safe Horizon, added that it is not unusual for sex traffickers to enlist their victims as recruiters to protect themselves from legal jeopardy. Oh boy, this is. So is this really the road we're gonna, we're gonna travel down now? Really gonna gaslight us and try and set it up like these people like Rena O or Sarah Kellen Vickers, like they were victims here? The only victims in my opinion anyway that should bear no responsibility are minors, underage girls who brought other girls into this. Short of that, if you were an adult and you were engaging in this, I don't want to hear no bullshit. If you didn't go to Jeffrey Epstein, I mean if you didn't go to the authorities after Epstein was burned the first time, then I really don't know what to say to you. I really don't have any empathy for your situation at this point. If you were abused by Epstein, obviously I feel sorry for you and it's, it's a shitty situation for anybody, but that doesn't give you a pass for abusing others.

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Biroz also said she believes unequivocally that any miner who brought others to Epstein is not at fault. For sure, 100%. No miners should ever be at fault in a situation like this. Roberts and Wild, for example, both of whom came from disadvantaged families, were were tasked with finding friends for Epstein. Again, when you're a little girl, a little kid, a minor, there's a whole different set of playing rules on the playing field. When you're an adult and you're bringing these girls in, minors especially, come on. I don't have any remorse for that. But when Roberts learned that O too had called herself a survivor of Epstein's, her response was unambiguous. I am never ever going to forgive her and definitely do not consider her to be a victim, she wrote in a text message. And I land on the side of Virginia here with that. Now, again, just my opinion, but I don't look at Rena oh or any of these other recruiters or assistants or groomers as victims. I'm sorry, but I just can't do it. After all we have learned all that we know and the fact that there is no remorse from most of these people just. It just really makes me ill. Instead of remorse, it's trying to save face instead. And again, it's nobody accept accepting personal responsibility for their behavior. It's always somebody else's fault. It's always somebody else. Shartuni, who has received compensation from the victims Fund, said she has found some healing in the fact that oh said she was sorry about the experience and perhaps even a degree of solidarity with another woman who was caught up in Epstein's web. You don't know how much you can ask of people with this kind of situation, shartuni said. They're all traumatized as well. And again, look, I think that it speaks volumes of the person that Ms. Chartuni is to even begin to think about forgiveness. But I will say that it goes a long way. Carrying the burden of resentment, carrying the burden of anger, carrying the burden of revenge is a heavy burden to carry. So if you're able to shed all of that weight from yourself and forgive people like Ms. Chartuni is seemingly doing here, or at the very least finding some, you know, a ground where you're able to at least move on from what occurred at least a little bit, then that's certainly a huge, huge compliment to the person who Ms. Chartooney is. Because I have to tell you folks, I wouldn't be able to do it. I'm a vengeful type of MF and I hold a grudge when it comes to something like this. So it really goes to show the sort of character, the sort of person that Ms. Chartuni is in a situation like this. After all that has occurred, all that has happened to her, she is still willing to try and see the forest through the trees. And it just shows you how Amazing not only Ms. Chartuni is, but the other survivors, after all they went through, after all that they have suffered, it's not about revenge. It's about justice, healing and being able to move on. Alright folks, that concludes episode four of our the Women who Enabled Jeffrey Epstein series by Tara Palmeri. The next episode will be tomorrow morning and we will pick up right where we left off. If you'd like to contact me, you can do [e-mail] that's B O B B Y C A P U c c I protonmail.com youm can also find me on Twitter at B O B B Y Underscore C A P U C C I. All of the links that go with this episode can be found in the Description box.

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