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Mega Edition: Jeffrey Epstein's Inner Circle And The Compensation Fund Controversy (6/11/26)
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In the years following Jeffrey Epstein’s death, one of the more disturbing revelations about his compensation fund emerged when a self-identified recruiter — referred to in court documents only as “Jane Doe” — attempted to claim money from it. This...
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We have an article tonight from the Daily Beast and it's talking about one of the co conspirators possibly suing Jeffrey Epstein's estate. I guess Ghislaine Maxwell set a trend, huh? She comes out and says she's suing the estate. Now. An alleged co conspirator might be suing the estate. Allen, all of these people who, who were involved in Jeffrey Epstein's criminal organization, the criminal enterprise, now believe that they were victimized. That's what they would have us believe. They would have us all believe that they were victims now. All right, well, let's read the article and see what the article has to say and let's see if any opinions are swayed. Like I said, it's from the Daily Beast. The author, Kate Bricklett is one of Jeffrey Epstein's alleged accomplices, suing his estate for damages earlier this month. Epstein's accused Madam.
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Accused Madam. Right. Accused co conspirator Ghislaine Maxwell filed a lawsuit against his $600 million estate saying she was receiving death threats and that the financier pedophile promised to always provide her with monetary support. Isn't that nice, huh? You just make all kinds of claims, you know. Well, I'll tell you what. The King of Siam in the old days said that I'm part of his family and I should have some of his fortune. You make whatever claims you want, alright? The Sultan of Brunei told me that he's gonna drop off $150 million later on tonight. Can you make sure that occurs? It's crazy on its face. All of a sudden we're supposed to believe Ghislaine Maxwell. All of a sudden we're supposed to feel bad for Ghislaine Maxwell. We're supposed to look at her like she's a victim in all of this, like she's just some poor innocent that got swept up in all of this. Sorry, that's not going to occur. We know what you were up to Ghislaine. We know. And the authorities know, too. For whatever reason, they have been dragging their feet. That's, you know, that's their business, I guess. But don't think that the people don't know, because everybody has seen the evidence. We all know the deal. Now a mystery woman who spent time in Epstein's orbit is also pursuing a case against the estate, saying her reputation has been ruined and that she's virtually bankrupt from having to defend herself against false accusations relating to Epstein's sex crimes. Now, that's pretty vague. A mystery woman. Right. I can't have too strong of an opinion one way or the other, but if it's one of the core four. Well, I don't even know what to say. If it's one of the core four, then that there's gonna be a big problem, because these. Those girls, the ladies in the core four, have no business playing the victim. The only one that you can make a case was victimized out of them girls, in my opinion, would be Nadia Marenova. And like I said, I'm torn about what her punishment should be if it's proven that she took part in all of this. Right. So the only one out of the core four who I believe deserves any sort of leniency, maybe, or half the sentence that the other ones get, it's Nadia Marcinkova. If it's any of the other three who have come out and they think that they're going to sue over this and they think we're going to feel bad because they're virtually bankrupt or that they had to defend themselves against false accusations, really. So what about the survivors? What about the girls who for years had to fight off all of these charges that they were drug addicts or liars or crazy or all of the above? What about them? We're just supposed to feel bad for people who these survivors are accusing? Sorry, I can't do that, and I won't do that again. We don't know exactly who this person is. She's just going as Jane, going by Jane Doe right now. So all of this is pure speculation, obviously. What I'm saying is if it's any of the three Leslie Grof, Adriana Ross, or Sarah Kellen Vickers who are coming out and suing this estate, I just. It's. That's beyond the pale of gross. But it's not shocking considering what their. Their best friend, Elaine Maxwell did. Right. The plaintiff, identified only as Jane Doe, quietly filed a federal lawsuit on March 17. She alleges Epstein sexually Abused her starting when she was 22 years old in the early 2000s and destroyed her reputation and career prospects. Now, we can do the, the research and try and pinpoint who it is, but I'm not going to do that. Her name, she wants to go under Jane Doe. That's what she filed as. And if it's not one of these core four, if it's somebody else, then, you know, I'm not going to try and put them on blast and find out who they are. We'll just call them Jane Doe, like this article does. And when I first started this podcast, I wasn't naming any of these girls by their name. I was calling them Jane Doe 1, 2, 3, etc. Etc. Until they started coming out in the papers more prevalently and, and, you know, saying who they were and, and stuff like that because, you know, I, I wasn't there. Right. And if this isn't one of the core four, and this is just some girl that was in Jeffrey's, Jeffrey Epstein's orbit, well, I don't want to, you know, jump on, jump on her and, and criticize because I don't know. Right. Who this person is. My point is, if it is one of the core four, which. It's more than likely one of them, right? More than likely. If it's one of them, it's gross. The complaint filed in the Southern District of New York seeks justice for the sexual crimes perpetrated against her by Jeffrey Epstein over the course of many years, and for abuse, manipulation, and exploitation she suffered at his hands. The lawsuit is about Jane Doe claiming her power, becoming a survivor, not a victim, and getting restitution for the sexual crimes perpetrated. Perpetrated against her. The complaint states. Okay, well, again, I don't know who this person is. I don't know if it's one of the core four or somebody else. So I don't really have much to add to any of that. Let's see who this is. Let's see what happens with the lawsuit and, and go from there. Right. Doe is represented by the law firm of Kaiser Sauerborn and Mayor, which also represents Jennifer Aroz, who says Epstein started sexually abusing her when she was 14. That's kind of interesting. Right? So they already are representing Jennifer Araz, and now they've taken on this Jane Doe as one of their clients as well. So that kind of gives me pause. Is it a co conspirator like the headline suggests? Or could that just be, you know, more of the. More of the clickbait Same. I mean, this is a good article, don't get me wrong. But that might be a bit of sensationalism in the headline because I don't know if Kaiser, Sowerborn and Mayor would represent this, this lady as well as at the same time as representing Jennifer Araz. What if, what if this is one of the core four? I don't know. It doesn't really make sense to me. And hopefully as we continue to read the article, maybe it will start to make sense. Because like I always say, I haven't read this article yet. We're reading this for the first time together. I like to make sure that my reactions are visceral and I like to make sure that you're not getting any canned statements from me. No bs. This is just as I'm reading it. This is the way I feel about what I'm reading. And I try and look between the lines usually in these stories because there's a lot of that, especially in this case. But when we're going through it like this, these are just my reactions as we read this together. So I don't really, I haven't studied this or, you know, dug deep into it, etc. Etc. But my gut says that the law firm would not represent Jennifer Araz as well as one of the core four. But again, who knows? This is such a crazy case. Anything is possible. One of Epstein's facilitators recruited Araz outside a performing arts high school in Manhattan. The lawyers who filed those complaints, Daniel J. Kaiser and William H. Kaiser, did not return messages left by the Daily Beast. So I'm guessing they were calling to get a little context about what we were just talking about. That would be the, the next step, you would imagine, right? Call and try and get some context about who this person is, what her role was, if she was one of the co conspirators with Epstein. As far as you know, in the very top, the top echelon, the Core 4. So I'm guessing that's what the Daily Beast was contact contacting them about. And I would guess that the lawyers just, they have no des speak to the press as of yet. Doe's complaint did not include a state or country of residence. Still, some details about Doe's lawsuit are raising eyebrows, in particular because the allegations seem to match up with at least one of Epstein's alleged coconspirators. So maybe they'll get into the meat of it here. If they talk about who want to, excuse me. If they talk about it being one of the co conspirators here. Great. But I'm not going to try and put the pieces together right here on the podcast right now and, you know, out whoever it might be. I'll let you do that for yourselves. I'm sure it's pretty, it'll be pretty obvious as we read the article who it might be. And again, there's only a few options, right? If it's one of the people who were a co conspirator or somebody who was close to Epstein, we only have four or five ways to go. So it shouldn't be too hard to figure it out. If this complaint was filed by one of his co conspirators who played an outsized role in Jeffrey Epstein's devastating abuse of minors and girls that were of age, by the way, let's not minimize that, all right? Just because somebody might have been on of age doesn't make it any less now. It's, it's dastardly to do it to children. Of course, it's the worst crime imaginable, but it's, you know, abusing anybody is unacceptable and the sort of thing that you must be held to account for. And Jeffrey Epstein was a serial abuser. He didn't stop at just young girls who were 14, 15, 16, you know, 18, 19, 20, if you looked young. That was right in his wheelhouse as well. Played an outsized role in Jeffrey Epstein's devastating abuse of minors for over a decade and profited handsomely, including owning a company affiliated with Epstein. It is a brazen abuse of our civil justice system, said Sigrid McCauley, a partner at Boyes Schiller Flexner LLP who represents multiple survivors of Epstein. But above all, it is a shameless act and disgraceful insult to the real survivors. You know, and that's exactly my gut reaction to this is that as well, it's disgusting, right? If it's one of these co conspirators, it's absolutely beyond the pale of gross. It is. I. The words can't explain how much of a slap in the face something like, like this is to the survivors. They've been, they've already been victimized by these people, right? They suffered through that. They came out on the other side. They became survivors. And now a co conspirator is trying to victimize them again by acting like they deserve some money from this estate, essentially stealing from the, the girls who were abused by Jeffrey Epstein. And if it's one of the core four, perhaps by the same person who's trying to push the Lawsuit. Now how in the world is that okay? As Sigrid McCauley says here, that's an absolute disregard for our system and a black eye to it. According to the lawsuit, Doe was recruited into Epstein sex trafficking operation almost 19 years ago. That would make, that would be 2001. Jane Doe was a naive and uniquely vulnerable 22 year old when Epstein and Maxwell first preyed upon her. The complaint says at least one known co conspirator would have been 22 in 2001. And she's also defended herself against accusations from Epstein's victims for years. She has been named as a defendant in multiple victims lawsuits since 2008 and she was granted immunity in Epstein's non prosecution agreement in inked with the U.S. attorney's office in Miami. Again, they're trying to paint the picture for you here. I'm not going to take it a step further and put the pieces together and you know, tell you who I think it is. Everybody on this that's listening to this podcast is, it's well within their ability to do that for themselves. I think it's kind of obvious who they're talking about here, but I'll hold back my opinion of that until we find out for sure. But it's certainly looking like it's one of the co conspirators, right? One of the core four. In that secret document, the feds agreed not to pursue charges against any potential, potential co conspirators of Epstein, including but not limited to Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross, Leslie Grof or Nadia Marcinkova. Those accusations of abuse are deeply disturbing. Again, these are the core four that we've talked about. We're in the middle of doing a series on them right now. We just got done doing episode three recently, episode four. That's going to be out on Sunday and there'll be one episode after that, that'll be episode five and that will cover the whole core four as well as an overview of in regards to what they did when it came to Jeffrey Epstein's operation. So again, I don't want to jump to any conclusions here because what if it isn't one of the core four? Right? I don't want to go scorched earth yet. So I'll use the caveat that if it is one of the core four, I'll keep saying that because if it is one of these ladies, Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross, Leslie Groff or Nadia Marcinkova. Boy, oh boy, that's just, it's, it's beyond gross. And I don't even. I don't even know how the court could let something like this occur. I honestly don't even know how any judge could let something like this occur. All right, so let's read the accusations about the. What she says, what Doe says happened to her at Epstein's hands. And again, if we're talking about Nadia Marcinkova here, look, I know that she was involved in this operation. I know that she had a leadership role in this operation. But I also have empathy for a girl who was sold by her parents to a man like Jeffrey Epstein, a girl who was groomed from a very young age and was reared in an environment where this sort of behavior was okay. It was just the way things went around Jeffrey Epstein. So Stockholm syndrome is a real thing, folks. Right. And I have to have some empathy for Nadia Marcinkova. So if. If that's who this is about, if. If it's Nadia Marcinkova who is filing this suit, then I will reserve the harsh evisceration that I would. Would give to somebody like Sarah Kellen or Adriana Ross, because I believe that Marcin Kova, while I think that she should definitely be punished for her role, I think that her punishment should not be as harsh as the other three, plus Ghislaine's. So obviously, I know there's some people out there that might feel differently about that. For me, though, I understand that the Stockholm syndrome situation is real and it was like a cult, like, following around Epstein for girls like this, girls that were groomed from a young age. So I have to have some empathy for her, and I have to try and reserve the scorched earth policy I usually have when it comes to people involved in this case, because that whole entire. That whole entire relationship is so complex. And I've said it once, I'll say it a million times, I am not a psychologist. I'm not capable of breaking down the dynamic within that relationship, and I won't sit here and act like I am. But I know for sure, sure that if it is Marcin Kova, that it should be looked at under a different scope than if it's one of the other three. My opinion, obviously. The lawsuit states Epstein would repeatedly enter Doe's room and get into bed, get into her bed while she was sleeping, and then fondle or penetrate her with his fingers. This. This guy was so sick and depraved, folks. He was such a disgusting individual. Jane Doe was paid in part to be sexually available to Epstein. The complaint adds. Epstein controlled every aspect of her life. And dominated her psychologically. The lawsuit says this pattern of sexual abuse took place in the U.S. virgin Islands, New York City, London, Paris, and Palm Beach, Florida, as well as Epstein's ranch in New Mexico and on his airplanes. Okay, so what we can take away from that is it's somebody that traveled with Epstein a lot, right? Okay, that's established. Somebody that was in on all of his properties at one point or another, that was on the plane with him. So we know for a fact that all of the gals traveled with them quite extensively. But we know that Sarah Kellen Vickers and Nadia Marcinkova traveled with him a lot. A lot. Especially considering Marcinkova was a pilot. According to the suit, Epstein frequently directed Jane Doe to turn her head back during their sexual encounters, telling her that he did not want to see her face. Epstein allegedly laughed at Doe after he performed a sex act on her in early 2012 at his Manhattan townhouse. This guy was a sadistic predator. I mean, how he wasn't caught and thrown underneath the jail early in the mid-90s when Maria Farmer came out and told this guy, I mean, and told everybody what this guy was about, how he didn't get arrested then is. It's like I said, it's one of the ages for. I mean, one of the mysteries for the ages. There is no plausible explanation that doesn't reek of involvement of people at the higher levels. There's no normal person gets away with something like that where the police don't even show up to talk to you after you're credibly accused. That doesn't happen for normal people like me or you. In or About January or February 2012, Epstein grabbed plaintiff by the hand while at his New York City residence and took her to a small room on the third floor. The complaint says it was a room with two chairs in it. He sat her down, pulled her pants down, covered her eyes, and used a vibrator on her. Epstein laughed afterwards. I don't even know what to say about this stuff. Every time I read stuff like that, it makes me ill. I can't even imagine somebody being as sick and twisted as Jeffrey Epstein roaming around amongst us, sharing our air. This is the kind of shit you read in a Thomas Harris novel, right? Something that he would have one of the characters in Silence of the Lambs or something. This isn't like real life. I swear to God. We're living in a simulation, a pandemic raging through the world. Jeffrey Epstein and his co conspirators running around doing whatever they want. What reality am I in? Kellen, 40, is now married and traveling the world with her husband, 36 year old NASCAR driver Brian Vickers. Must be nice, huh? Must be nice to have to. You're, you're so close to being arrested and prosecuted that you had to get a Dershowitz immunity deal dropped over you. And now you're living the high life married to Brian Vickers, the NASCAR driver. Boy, it must be nice, huh? Vickers Instagram page shows the pair in Italy, Greece, Japan and Austria in recent years. The couple who tied the knot in September 2013 is linked to addresses in North Carolina, New York City and Miami, Florida. Shocking that they have two places of residence that are still in epicenters where Epstein and his associates hung out, huh? Where they, where they did their business from. I'm sure that has nothing to do with that, right? More coincidence in this case. This is just all coincidence, folks. Sarah and Brian Vickers did not return messages for comment. Neither did Darren K. Indyke, one of the executors of Epstein's estate, who also represented Sarah's one time interior design business. As the Daily Beast previously reported, Indyke also did work for other women associated with Epstein. Boy, isn't that funny, huh? Isn't that funny how that works? The same lawyers. The same lawyers, huh? Indyke and Khan, the same guys that we should trust to administer this money and to distribute it to the survivors of Jeffrey Epstein, his two good buddies who were also on the payroll to protect the co conspirators. These are the people we're supposed to trust, huh? Kellen was 22 when she joined Epstein's World, Tracy Schmaller, then a spokeswoman for Kellen, told CNN last year when she met Epstein, Kellen had been married at 17, divorced and cast out of the Jehovah Witness community in which she had been born and raised, Schmaller said. Schmaller said Epstein sexually abused Kellen for years and that she continues to struggle with the trauma of her experiences and has chosen not to speak publicly at this time. On Wednesday, Schmaller told the Daily Beast she was no longer representing Kellen, despite saying hours earlier that she'd check in with Kellen's legal team. Look, I don't even know what to say about any of that stuff. Sarah Kellen, all of these core four. I don't even know what to say about them at this point. They're, they're totally stunting now, right? All of a sudden they're, they, they're the, they're the victims in this case. Why do they go and why did they go and visit Jeffrey Epstein when he was behind bars 70 times combined? Why didn't they rat him out? Why didn't. The second he was locked up, why didn't they come forward and rat him right out? Sorry. None of this stuff. This stuff from Sarah Kellen Vickers doesn't. I don't believe her. I'm sorry to say it. I do not believe Sarah Kellen Vickers. Not at all. Sorry. It just. There's. She. She provides no evidence, nothing. Just all of a sudden now, because she's under the microscope, because the walls are closing in on her, all of a sudden, she's a victim. All of a sudden, Ghislaine Maxwell, She's a victim. Sorry. I'm not buying it, folks. I am not buying it. Like I said, besides Nadia Marcinkova, I'm not buying any of this other horseshit. Marcin Kova, 35, is a licensed pilot and flight instructor. The ex model runs an aviation consulting business called Avaloop, which is registered to the Manhattan building where Epstein housed women. She previously modeled for MC2, the agency founded by Jean Luc Brunel, who was accused of procuring victims for Epstein. Well, we know. I don't even. Accused. I think it's pretty much fact at this point. Where is Brunel? If this. If this was wrong, if this was a lie, wouldn't you be screaming from every rooftop you could get your feet on? Wouldn't you be looking for every platform or every outlet that would give you a second of their time and plead your case? You don't hide. You don't run away to Brazil. You don't drop off of the map. It's not an innocent man we're talking about here, folks. While Marcinkova, who now goes by Marcinko, wasn't charged with Palm beach police identified her as an Epstein employee who repeatedly participated in sex with underage girls. One survivor told cops that Epstein claimed to have purchased Marcinkova from her family and that he bragged he brought her into the United States to be his Yugoslavian sex slave. Bam. Right there, folks. That's what gives me the pause with her, right? And I've come across some people who are not willing to give her a bit of a break when it comes to sentencing time, if it ever gets there. But it's an argument that can be had, right? I'm not saying that I'm 100% right here or that what I say is, you know, the. The. The word. And. And it's the word of God. It's not, not at all. There's definitely room for interpretation here. And there are people who are much more hardline than me when it comes to Marcinkova. I understand that completely. And I know most people usually, usually expect fire and brimstone when they're talking about, you know, me and my opinions of these people. But I try and look at everything in its own. I guess what I'm trying to say is I kind of. I look at everything as its own unique situation. Right. So with each one of these women who are part of the Core 4, I looked at all of their cases individually as well as well as the collective. And I factored in a bunch of different things when I was doing my research. And while it is certainly a cult like situation, the only one that I came away feeling even a bit of empathy for was Marcinkova. And the more I've researched, the more that's. That that point has been driven home for me. So again, I can totally see that some people might not see it that way. Totally understandable. And the argument can be made that she deserves the full brunt of justice the same as the other Core four. And that's definitely a debate that that can be had. One victim told cops that. Excuse me, read that. Last year, Marcinkova's lawyers told CNN that like other survivors, Nadia Marcinko is and has been severely traumatized. 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I'll never sit here and tell anybody what their timeline should be after they've suffered trauma, especially, you know, obviously if what we hear is true and she was sold to Jeffrey Epstein, this lady certainly has some trauma that she needs to deal with. Certainly should sit down with a therapist if she isn't already. She should definitely sit down with a professional and help her navigate through all of this stuff because it's bad news. I can't even imagine. I can't imagine being sold by my parents to some guy coming to America and being involved in all of this shit. Crazy. Absolutely, positively insane. One of her attorneys, Eric T. Dunbow, told the Daily Beast in an email. Nadia is eager to join the other survivors in speaking out about what she has endured. She wants to express her compassion and support to those who have also fallen prey to Jeffrey Epstein's pathologically controlling and abusive behavior. Unfortunately, she is not yet able to comment publicly. And that's where I get agitated. Right. He's dead and gone, Nadia. He is dead and gone. Come forward, be the first one of the Core Four to come forward and show that you're remorseful, show that you're sorry. There's no other way. Because if that doesn't occur and the. The law is forced to bring you in via subpoena or warrant or something like that, I don't know how much sympathy or empathy you're going to get, and I don't know if you deserve any at that point, because you have a chance right now, Nadia. You have a chance to come forward and tell everybody your story. At the very least, tell the prosecutors your story. Don't let this be something that you know destroys you any more than it has already. You can come forward and be the first one, and you can show people that even though you participated, right, Even though you were involved in this criminal enterprise, it was against your will almost. You were. You were groomed for it, and now you know better, and it's time to come forward. And unless you do that, Nadia Marcinkova. Nadia. Nadia Marcenco, you're just going to be one of the other Core four, unfortunately, and you're going to have to face the full wrath of the government. I would think that if anyone's going to come forward and speak to the authorities and tell their story, it would be Nadia Marcinkova, right? She seems like the likely one. And unless she does that, though, well, she's going to face the same scrutiny as the. The other three inside of the core Four, and what little empathy people have for her is going to go by the wayside, because now's her opportunity. This is the window. This is her chance. Leslie Groff, 53, served as Epstein's secretary since at least 2001. A spokeswoman for Grof told the Daily Beast that Grof has not filed a lawsuit against Epstein's estate, nor was she a victim of Epstein's sexual abuse. We know that Grof wasn't his type. She was older. Grof was more of the clerical Mavis, the one who was in charge of all of that kind of stuff, making sure that everything ran smoothly around the office, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. She, you know, she was somebody who was an executive assistant, right? You know, she was involved with other. Other tasks, according to her, but she certainly didn't fit the bill as somebody Epstein would sexually assault with. That said, she is an enabler. She is guilty of facilitating his abuse of these children, and she is 100% part of this criminal conspiracy, in my opinion. In a 2009 deposition, Epstein Pilot. Epstein's pilot said Groff worked out of an East 66th street office, the same building where Epstein kept young women. Today she's a married mom living in New Canaan, Connecticut, and denies facilitating Epstein's abuse. We don't buy that here on the Jeffrey Epstein Show. We just recently did our episode about Leslie Groff and we read an article from her local paper. Nobody's buying it on this podcast, Ms. Groff, that you knew, you didn't know what was going on. You were another one with the keys to the kingdom. You were another one that had all of the secrets. As an executive assistant to Epstein, Leslie worked as part of a professional staff that included in house attorneys, accountants, an office manager, and other office staff. Leslie's job included making appointments for Mr. Epstein as directed by him, taking his messages, and setting up high level meetings with CEOs, business executives, scientists, politicians and celebrities. Oh, so you mean his other co conspirators. Gotcha. So you're establishing our case for us, huh? Because everybody you name there, there's somebody from that walk of life who was involved with Epstein and with this criminal trafficking ring. So you're not doing yourself a service by mentioning these people as you're trying to, you know, weirdly flex about the kind of company Epstein kept. As if these people couldn't be involved in stuff like this. Where we now we've learned that these are the most likely people to be involved in something like this. That's right, I said it. The most likely. At no time during Leslie's employment with Epstein did she ever engage in any misconduct. But several victims, several survivors, including Jennifer Aras, who named Grof as a defendant in a lawsuit against Epstein's estate, say Groff typically scheduled his massages again directly and credibly. Accused, yet she is not arrested. How is. How is that possible? How is that okay? How does that pass the sniff test? It's an embarrassment. A civil suit by Anastasia doe, who was 14 when Epstein started abusing her, alleges Graf was one of Jeffrey Epstein's most trusted employees and would schedule Anastasia's visits to Epstein's New York mansion. Of course she was. Why else was she making all that money? Why else did he give her that Benzito? It wasn't because she was a fantastic personal assistant. I'm sure there are plenty of those on Wall Street. In fact, I know they are. But yet she's making 200 grand a year. That's a whole hell of a lot of money to schedule meetings. She wasn't making that money to schedule meetings. Come on, folks, she was made that. That was protection money. That was money that Epstein shelled out to all of his close associates, all of his clients, close allies, so that it was another layer of protection. When the time came for Epstein to face justice, he knew it was coming eventually, so he surrounded himself with people like this. Meanwhile, another Jane Doe alleges Kellen and Groff often asked Doe to bring other girls with her to Epstein's home and that both assistants routinely paid her. Doe is believed to be minor victim number one in the New York indictment against Epstein. Right here is the case. In one paragraph, they make the case. Let's remember that when they went after Al Capone, they threw the whole kitchen sink at him. And what did they get him on? Tax evasion. Do you know why? Because they were motivated and the prosecutors weren't effing around in this one paragraph that we just read. There is enough evidence there to bring these people in. And at the very least, folks, at the very least, quote, questioned them under oath. Juliette Bryant, who was 20 when Epstein exploited her, mentions Groff and Kellan in her own lawsuit, too. Groff helped Juliet get a visa, passport, and airline tickets so she could leave South Africa to become a New York model. Brian accused Kellan of sending her to Epstein's room to be sexually abused during a trip to the US Virgin Islands and forcing her to be photographed nude for Epstein in Paris. Not only was this occurring in America, folks, this was an intercontinental sex trafficking ring that spanned the globe. And they had the reach to do it. They had the reach to do it. They had planes, they had money, they had friends in power who were involved. And you see the COVID up in real time as we add article after article to the catalog. It's unbelievable what these people were up to. For her part, Ross is keeping a low profile in Florida with her husband. The 36 year old former model who went by Adriana Muczynska, came to the US from Poland in 2002. When her deposition was taken in 2010, she said she was pursuing a bachelor's degree in accounting from Florida International University in Miami. Flight logs indicate Ross was on Epstein's private plane with Bill Clinton. Again, Bill Clinton's name comes up and I'm surprised, honestly, that the Daily Beast even mentioned it. I'll give them their props for that. Seems like a lot of publications like to steer clear of the whole entire Clinton aspect of this, but as you all know, I am not going to do that. I think Bill Clinton was a big old enabler. I think Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein were a lot closer than Bill Clinton likes to let on. And I think that Bill Clinton has a lot to answer for when it comes to this case. Ross has never spoken publicly about Epstein's crimes. When the Daily Mail approached her outside of her church late Augustide of her church last August, a man believed to be her husband said, you don't know anything. It's not for you to make a judgment. You don't know anything about it? No. I'm sorry. But we do know a lot about it. We've read the documents, bro. We've read them documents. I know you want to be protective of your wife, but I hate to be the one to say it, but you got some pretty bad taste, my dude, getting with a girl like this. What? What could possibly be wrong with you? Epstein's butler, Janous Banasiac, claimed Adriana removed computers from the pedophile's Palm beach mansion before cops executed a warrant in 2005. Mr. Berman, are you listening? Are you listening right now? They removed evidence from a crime scene. They hid evidence in an ongoing criminal conspiracy. They received funds from ill gotten gains. And this is all before we even talk about their involvement in the sex trafficking ring. How are they still walking around? How come they haven't been arrested? Mr. Berman, are you there? Hello? Are you at work, sir? Can we see some movement, please? According to a 2010 deposition, Banaciak also said he was responsible for paying girls. Sometimes I get a phone call from Sarah or Adriana and they mention that such a girl show up at the house and I should give them money, he testified. As Palm beach police investigated Epstein, they were also ready to charge Kellen, too. A probable cause affidavit filed in May 2006 stated Kellen could have faced four counts of first degree unlawful sexual activity with a minor and one count of lewd and lascivious molestation. Both of those charges were felonies. Sarah Kellen Vickers is a victim, huh? She's somebody that we should feel sorry for. Sorry. I don't feel sorry for you, Sarah. Kellen Vickers and I have a sneaking suspicion that most people listening to this podcast do not feel sorry for you either. Investigators said Kellen kept Epstein's Rolodex of underage girls and called them whenever Epstein would be in town. She allegedly met the girls in the kitchen, then brought them upstairs to her room with a massage table. She left the girls alone with Epstein, who would masturbate and sexually assault them. How much more evidence is needed? How many more Little girls have to come forward and say this before the authorities kick their ass into action. What are they doing? What could they possibly be doing? Why are you coming out making statements about Prince Andrew, not cooperating while he's all the way over in London and out of your reach? For now, when you have people like Sarah Kellen Vickers, Adriana Ross, Leslie Groff and Nadia Marcinkova right here at home for you to go after, I would just love to hear your strategy, sir. At some point, I would love to hear you come out and let us know what is going on in that office. I mean, this is the sdny. We're talking about the same office that took down the Mafia, for Pete's sake, yet they can't get rid of a few gals that were involved in a sex trafficking ring. Makes you wonder why, folks, doesn't it? In his affidavit, the late Palm beach detective Joe Ricari stated Sarah Kellen coordinated and aided in the recruitment of minors to frequent Epstein's house so that sexual services were provided to Epstein, scheduled the said miners to return to the work for Epstein, secured their appointments for the purpose of sexual activity and lewd and lascivious acts, and arranged the bedroom for said minors. This is the police, the police officer, the detective, telling you this. This isn't me making it up. This isn't me sitting around eating mushrooms or some peyote and going on a wild trip and hopping on the podcast and saying, hey, this is, you know, hey, this is what I think on my. On my crazy peyote high. No, no, no. This is what the detective said. This is in his report. This is what he wanted to do, and he was denied by the prosecutors. Again, ask yourselves why, folks. When one underage girl named Jane Doe and her mother sued Epstein, along with Kellan and teenage recruiter Hayley Robson In March 2008, the complaint described Kellen as an integral player in Epstein's Florida scheme. Again, these are court documents. This isn't just shit that was thrown at the wall. Nobody just jumped onto 4chan and found this. This wasn't someone passing around a chain letter. These are court documents and statements by very serious investigators. Very serious people. And you want me to believe that Sarah Kellen Vickers is innocent? You want me to believe that she had no part in this, that all of these people are lying and Sarah Kellen Vickers is telling the truth? Sorry. The Victim, who was 14 when Epstein abused her in 2005, stated Kellen laid out massage oils and told her that Epstein would be in shortly. Another victim L.M. said Kellen was Epstein's lieutenant who arranged for transportation for girls, as they were often too young to drive themselves to and from the mansion, According to a December 2008amended complaint filed in Palm Beach. The lawsuit singled out Marcinkova, too. And that's. It's interesting that LM said Kellen was Epstein's lieutenant. I've been saying that from the beginning. Considering the way I have it structured, I look at it like it's the Mafia. It's the easiest way to explain it. And with that being the case, we know that 100%. Kellen was a lieutenant, a capo. She was definitely somebody who was in a leadership role and who was helping keep this whole entire thing on the rails. Nadia Marcinkova also served as a recruiter and helped Epstein satisfy his criminal sexual desires by, on occasion, directly participating in sexual abuse, the complaint states. Epstein's former butler, Alfredo Rodriguez, testified in a 2009 deposition that Kellan instructed him on how much cash to pay the girls who massaged Epstein. And we know what massage means for epst. Sarah would tell me who to pay and how much, and that's the way we work, Rodriguez said. This is a whole entire criminal enterprise, folks, right here laid bare for us to see. How is there no arrests? I know I'm beating a dead horse when I keep saying that, but I have to drive the point home. I have to drive the point home because it's so ludicrous. In 2010, a survivor named MJ alleged Epstein and his associates ran a criminal enterprise and included a RICO case statement with their lawsuit. I never even knew that before. This is the first time I'm hearing of that. But whoever MJ is right on mj, your lawyers know what's up. This is a RICO case if I ever saw one. Every single one of these girls should be attaching that. Every single survivor should attach a RICO case to this. Like the light at the end of the tunnel for me here. I mean, are you kidding me right now? In 2010, a victim named MJ alleged Epstein and his associates ran a criminal enterprise, and it included a RICO case statement. With her lawsuit, Epstein, Kellen, and Marcinkova all took steps to discourage the girls from reporting these crimes to law enforcement, including making cash payments to the girls. Bro, I don't know anyone else who's been talking about this being a RICO case the way we have been here on this podcast almost from the very. The very first podcast all the way back in. I don't know August or whenever Lee and I started this crazy adventure. I've been talking about this being a RICO case since then. And the reason I know about RICO cases is because I've seen them up close and personal. I've seen how the federal government reacts when there's RICO involved. I've seen how hard they charge. I've seen how they go after people. And to read that right here, that the survivor MJ attached a RICO case statement to her lawsuit. Again, look, we learn new things every single day, folks, on this podcast and on other podcasts. And when we read these articles and on YouTube videos that are covering this case, there is something to be learned every single day. And even somebody who is locked into this case, like myself, reads an article like this and finds something out like that. And I think it's very important, and I think it's important that the RICO aspect of this does not get. It doesn't get enough play, it doesn't get enough airtime. And I would love to ask Mr. Berman why this is not. They haven't filed rico statutes. In January 2017, Sarah Ransom sued Epstein and members of his inner circle, Kellen, Maxwell, Grof, and someone named Natalia Malishev. An amended complaint filed under a pseudonym, Jane Doe 43, called Grof an integral part of the illegal venture and enterprise who coordinated visits between Epstein and the various young females used for sex. Again, we're getting closer here. Illegal venture and enterprise. Just. Let's just call it what it was. A criminal conspiracy and an ongoing criminal enterprise. That's what it was. There's no reason to pussyfoot around that. There's no reason to. To try and finesse that. That is exactly what it was. I've been calling it like, I've been calling it that from the very beginning, since this all started. And I'm telling you, folks, this is going to end up as a RICO case. And when it does, when one of these prosecutors decides to grow a pair and. And drops the RICO hammer, it's going to be a whole new world for these people. Ransom suit called Kellan, a recruiter who maintained Epstein's sex schedule in order to ensure that he was not without young females for any extended period of time. While Epstein and Maxwell developed a sophisticated system of sexual abuse, Kellen and Grof carried it out for years in exchange for significant pay, benefits and protection from prosecution. The complaint alleges. Again, I said the same exact thing. That's how this works. That is how this works. Epstein and Maxwell developed the system, and then Kellen and Grof and Marcinkova and Ross were their lieutenants who they were given the game plan. Right? The coach enacted the game plan, and the players had to go out and play the game. And that's exactly what we saw here in their answers to Ransom's complaint. Groff and Kellen pleaded the Fifth. Like in every other case. That's all they did. That's all they did is plead the Fifth. Every single one of these core four members pled the Fifth. After Epstein killed himself in a federal lockup, allegedly last August, more survivors began to file claims for damages against his estate. One lawsuit filed by Mary Doe sued Epstein's estate and Kellen under the name Sarah Vickers. Kellen has not responded to the complaint record show. Well, isn't that nice? It must be nice to not be able to, you know, to be able to pick and choose what you respond to. I mean, you can just go through life and, you know, people sue you, but since you're friends with Jeffrey Epstein, yeah, no big deal. Be able to just skate right by. No big deal. I got a whole cadre of lawyers that handles that. Boy, it must be nice, huh? Mary Doe alleges Epstein began exploiting her when she was 16 and living in New York as a refugee from a war torn country. Mary Doe attempted suicide multiple times as a result of Epstein's sexual abuse. Her lawsuit states. I wonder how many of these gals that we have never heard from or heard of have tried to commit suicide or were successful in the attempt. It's not a very comforting thing to think about. It's not a very pleasant thing to think about, but I think it's important. I think it's important that the nameless get named, and I think it's very important that the nameless also get justice. Kellen, the complaint says, would summon Mary to his Manhattan townhouse, order her to give him massages, and subject her to sexual acts, the severity of which increased over time. Kellen also allegedly allegedly purchased Mary new underwear from Victoria's Secret. Purchased, huh? I'm sure that they had those on lock. I'm pretty sure that his buddy Les Wexner and Jeffrey Epstein, who was in charge of his money, by the way, was very capable of supplying a pair of underwear from Victoria's Secret to whoever he wanted. Kellen once witnessed Epstein forcing Mary to perform oral sex on him. The lawsuit continues. In late 2005, after being sexually abused by Epstein yet again, she heard Epstein shout to Kellen that Mary was the best. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna say what that says. It's a sexual act. I'm not gonna use that term here on the podcast. Shout to Kellen that Mary was the best. Starts with the C, ends with an R. Mary was not mortified. Mary was mortified and ashamed. And in that moment suddenly saw the truth. She was not even a human being to Epstein. She was an object. The lawsuit, which alleges all assault, which alleges assault, battery, and intentional infliction of emotional distress, says Kellen is liable for aiding and abetting Epstein's actions. Yeah. No, no, she is. Kellen's name also came up twice during. During a federal hearing last August when U.S. district Judge Richard Berman allowed more than a dozen survivors to speak before he closed the deceased Epstein's criminal case. Jeffrey is no longer here and the women that helped him are, said one one survivor, Teresa Helm. My experience is with Ghislaine Maxwell and Sarah Kellen. And they definitely, definitely need to be held accountable for helping him, helping themselves, helping one another carry on this system. And she is 100% right about that. They need to be held to account, folks. They need to be brought to justice, all of these people. And look, Sarah, Kellen Vickers, if you're out there listening, come on this podcast, go on to the radio program, go on to a news program, and let's talk about it. I'll give you some time, any one of the core four. I will give you time on the podcast to explain your side of things. But instead, you hide, you duck behind, you plead the fifth. You wait for some super powerful lawyer to exploit some loophole to make sure you don't get busted. Well, that's over. You got your jail. You got your one get out of jail free card. That ship is sailed. Now you're in the deep water with the sharks. Let's see how you hold up. Because I'll tell you what, ladies, the walls are closing in. Don't count on the COVID 19 outbreak to give you any quarter. Don't count on this story going away. And do not think that for one single moment we're going to relax or stop until justice is served. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that@bobby capuchirotonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A P U C c I@protonmail.com youm can also find me on Twitter at B. Oh, this
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article we're going to talk about tonight, folks, is going to enrage a whole lot of you. Of that I am sure. Now, a little background. We know that one of the Core 4 was suing the Epstein estate saying that she was also a victim. Now when you add up all of the information that we had available to us and again just the information that is available publicly, and you look at the ages and time frames, it's obvious that the person who was suing Jeffrey Epstein and claiming victimhood was Sarah Kellen Vickers, one of the main members of the Core 4. Ghislaine Maxwell's chief lieutenant is claiming that she was a victim of Jeffrey Epstein's and that she was abused and coerced and basically she had a. He had mind control over her and put her in the position that she was in and she was forced into that position because of his extreme power. And while that is an argument that I, I would be sympathetic of.
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If the other pieces would make sense, such as after Jeffrey Epstein gets arrested, why didn't she come forward then? Why did she wait until now until the heat is really honor, until she knows that the non prosecution agreement might be going to the wayside. If you were abused by Jeffrey Epstein like this, the way she is claiming, then you would think that you would have wanted to see him behind bars for the rest of his life after that first time around. You wouldn't be part of the non prosecution agreement.
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I mean, I get it, Stockholm syndrome and all of that jazz. I am certainly not a psychologist and I can only offer my opinion in this situation, just like in other situations. And for me, I don't really buy this story by we'll call her Jane Doe for now, but all of the circumstantial evidence obviously adds up to it being Sarah Kellen Vickers, I would think, and the fact that she's claiming to be a victim here, considering the depth of the evidence against her as being part of not only the grooming process, but participating in some time in some cases, she's gonna have to come with a lot more than that.
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It is not a. I don't think this is going to work out for her. I don't think that she's going to be able to avoid the criminal side of this no matter what happens civilly. And again, speculation on my part. It could simply be she is doing this to try and fortify herself for a criminal case, to set the tone. Right. If she gets a payout from the, from the estate, she can use that to beef up her own defense that she was also a victim.
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So that could definitely be a strategy that they're looking at. Um, who knows, right? Who knows what's going on with These lawyers and what sort of back room, you know, manipulating and high wire act is taking place. But to me personally, I find this obscene that this person would think that she's going to get a payout from the same people that she helped abuse. It's just, I don't, I don't understand how it could even be a conversation. Right. And it all goes back to the original deal, the non prosecution agreement. If that was never put into place, and these four girls, the core four, weren't named in the non prosecution agreement, this could have all been rectified a very long time ago. And that's why I think one of the most crucial points of this case is coming up on December 3rd. I think that is going to be a real fulcrum in this case and it's going to really dictate how things move forward. So I really hope that, you know, the December 3rd hearing in front of the 11th Circuit renders all of this kind of stuff moot. Because if the NPA goes out the window, then it doesn't matter what sort of defense she's going to use here claiming that she's a victim as well or any of that other stuff. A jury of her peers is going to see through it and she's not going to escape punishment here, I don't think, in my opinion anyway, does she maybe roll over on Maxwell? I don't know. She's had all this time to come forward and she hasn't done so. And for me, that's a big red flag, a huge red flag. You would think that if you were being manipulated into a situation the way that she, you know, she claims that she was, that when Epstein was put behind bars, she would come forward and help bolster the case against him to ensure that he never gets out of prison again. But instead she kept her pleasant relationship with him, she kept working out of the apartment that was provided for. You know, all of that stuff cannot be overlooked. So she's gonna have an uphill battle when it comes to trying to wriggle out of this and the audacity and the gall it takes to try and get money out of this victim's survivors. I mean, this victim's compensation fund is just, I don't even know what to say about it. It's, I, it's gross, right? I, I, I don't even know. I mean, sheesh. All right, so let's jump into this article. This article is from ok. Magazine headline, Jeffrey Epstein Recruiter set to get payout from Victim Relief Fund. This article was authored by Chris Spargo. A Jane Doe who was 22 when she met Epstein is suing the estate. So you look at the numbers. Who is. Who was 22 when they met Epstein, according to the reports.
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Not Marcin Kova, not Adriana Ross, not Leslie Groff. That just leaves us with one person. Correct. This article is by Chris Spargo, who once again, is ahead of things. A woman who helped recruit underage girls for Jeffrey Epstein has been approved to submit her claims to the Victim Compensation Program after claiming she was trafficked and raped for over a decade. So she has been approved to submit her claims to the fund. That doesn't mean that they're going to approve dispersal of funds, though. Is it possible that they do? Look, again, I'm very cynical about the whole process at this point, and it would just be par for the course if they did distribute money to this person.
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So I wouldn't be shocked if they do. Should they? Absolutely not. The woman in question filed a lawsuit under the pseudonym Jane Doe back in March. Then on November 2, her court case against Epstein's estate and its executors was put on hold as her lawyers informed the judge that their client was seeking a payout from the Victim's compensation program. This was all approved by the executor of Epstein's estate, Darren Indike, who was named defendant in the case. And again, here is a huge problem in my opinion, from my vantage point of not being a legal expert. Anyway, I don't see how Darren Indyke or Khan can be the executors of this estate when they're named as co conspirators by several, several, several different people. How does that jive? How does that work? How is there no conflict of interest? And is it a shock that Indyke and Khan would approve something like this if it would take some of the heat off of them them, perhaps they worked with the Core 4 for all of those years very closely. So it's not like this is somebody they don't know. It is a very odd situation to me that Indyke and Khan would still be executors of this estate, considering their vast involvement. There is no name given and no address, but the timeline provided by Jane Doe matches up with one of Epstein's co conspirators. Her March complaint states, jane Doe seeks justice for the sexual crimes perpetrated against her by Jeffrey Epstein over the course of many years and for the abuse, manipulation and exploitation she, she suffered at his hands. So again, when you look at the timeline, you look at all of the. The other information that we have, and you start going through the list of who it can't be, you're only left with Sarah Kellen Vickers here, folks. And it looks like Sarah Kellen Vickers is all in. She just pushed all her chips to the middle of the table, and she's rolling with this. She was a victim. Routine and defense. Now, I don't know how the prosecutors are going to look at this, but if it was me, well, she'd be in for a long day.
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there is no excuse for her not coming forward after Epstein was arrested the first time or the second time, in my opinion. Huge red flag. If you worked for somebody or you
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put to some sort of servitude by somebody and they were finally in the hands of the. The. The authorities the second time around, I mean, the first time around, I guess you could say, all right, well, he was very powerful. I was scared. But the second time around, there's just no. No excuse. The second time around, in my opinion, I think that if you're in that situation where supposedly all of this was happening, you wouldn't be benefiting still years after the man was arrested, years after you supposedly had no relationship with him anymore, still benefiting from your relationship that you had with him. So according to you previously, it just does not add up to somebody who was abused in the manner that she's saying she was abused now. Am I saying that Jeffrey Epstein didn't have some sort of control over her? No, I'm. I'm not saying that at all. He was the one who was providing the money and the lifestyle, and all of that is. It becomes infectious. Right? These people get a little taste of it and they want more. So she was in love with the lifestyle. She didn't want it to go away. She went in with both eyes open, and she knew that what she was doing as far as recruiting and grooming and all of this other jazz to help progress Jeffrey Epstein's proclivities and his disgusting behavior, she knew it was all wrong and she engaged in it anyway for self benefit. And now when all of the cards are tumbling down, she's throwing up the Hail Mary here, hoping beyond hope that she'll get some empathy from some quarter. Well, I'll tell you what. I highly doubt. The survivors who were abused by Epstein, who were never part of his cabal. I have a funny feeling they're not going to be too happy with the fact that one of the core four looking like Sarah Kell and Vickers, obviously, according to the data that's available to us has applied to the victims fund and might get a payout. Now, is it certain she'll get paid out? No, of course not. We have to make sure that, you know, we don't get too carried away until there's information saying that she does. All of it's up in the air. We don't know what way things are gonna turn in this case. There's ups, there's downs, there's corkscrews, there's twists, there's turns, and there's flips each day we get up, and you never know what you're going to see. When I look at the news, who the hell knows what you're going to see? Maybe you're going to see mass indictments or maybe you're going to see that, you know, Ghislaine Maxwell is out of jail now because of the coronavirus. Who the hell knows anymore? All we can do is strap our goggles on, swim up river through the muck and try and find some clean water. The lawsuit is about Jane Doe claiming her power, becoming a survivor, not a victim, and getting restitution for the sexual crimes perpetrated against her. Jane Doe then identifies herself as a co conspirator in the complaint while. Listen. Listing the damages she has suffered because of her ties to Epstein. Her capacity to pursue a professional career has been severely compromised. Well, you were working with Epstein. What do you expect? Again, she's using the premise that she was coerced into this, forced into this. And while it is a try that I guess she has to make. To try and make sure she doesn't go to prison the rest of her life, I don't think that this is going to be received by empathetic ears. Her name and reputation has been ruined, and she. She is virtually bankrupt, having been forced to spend most of her resources defending herself against false accusations, all of which stem from Epstein's crimes. Then why doesn't she sue some of these people who have alleged this against her, Some of the girls who have pointed the finger at her? Sue them for defamation. Get it into the courts if you're. If that's the case, if you've been defamed so badly. But you notice these people never do that. She does. She knows that she's not. That these claims have. They have.
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They're.
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They're credible. They have credibility. She knows that. She worked for Jeffrey Epstein. And this is according to all of the reports. According to the police report, that's what we're going by when we're talking about the core of four, at least I am. You know, I'm not, I'm not here just pulling shit off of a blog somewhere and, you know, running off with it. This is actually stuff out of the police report. They're named in that non prosecution agreement. Why would Sarah Kellen be named in the non prosecution agreement if she was also a victim? Don't you think that she would have been running to Chief Ryder's office, bawling, screaming and telling them what was occurring? Or maybe she really loved that life and she knew exactly what she was up to and she didn't care as long as she was benefiting from it personally. Of the four co conspirators identified by federal prosecutors in Florida, two would have been much younger than 22 in 2001 when Jane Doe met Epstein, while one was much older at the time. The youngest, Nadia Marcinkova, was just 14 or 15 and living with Epstein around this time. While Adriana Muczynska did not start working for Epstein until the following year. Leslie Groff would have been 34 years old in 2001. Only one other person of interest was named in that investigation, and that is Sarah Kellen Vickers. Folks, that's where we're at. That's what we're talking about in this complaint. And it is, I'll tell you, I just don't. I think it's obscene though, the whole entire move here, the whole try here. And I really hope that the court looks on it the same way. The complaint is chilling in that it reveals Epstein's predatory behaviors were constant. He also did not seek consent, according to the initial filing. Jane Doe's lawyers.
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So in the complaint that Sarah Kellen Vickers turned into the court, or we'll say Jane Doe won here, turned into the court in March, she spoke about the supposed abuse that she, she received at the hands of Epstein. Now again, we're talking about somebody who was a psychophant of Jeffrey Epstein, a complete believer in the whole entire operation, according to eyewitness reports and accounts. Somebody who had ample chances to go to the authorities after the fact. Somebody who could have stopped this at any time. Now she is saying that she was also a victim more than a decade after the fact, after she's been on the non prosecution agreement. But now when the heat is being turned up and the frying pan is starting to warm under her feet, well, all of a sudden she is now also a victim. Very interesting strategy, folks. 19. Jeffrey Epstein specifically targeted underprivileged, emotionally Vulnerable and or economically disadvantaged young females, exactly like plaintiff, to sexually molest and abuse. So, yeah, that was the strategy, no doubt. But your client was engaged in that very same strategy. She was victimizing these other girls from these schools, according to reports, and partaking in the abuse, according to some of the girls. So, yeah, she would have a very.
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intimate knowledge about what Jeffrey Epstein was looking for, considering she was taking part. 20 Epstein's continuous psychological and physical control over Jane Doe facilitated his sexual abuse of her on a relatively consistent basis for many years. Well, again, why didn't she come forward when her name was being put on that non prosecution agreement when there was a real serious chance that Epstein could have went to jail for the rest of his life? When chief Rider was engaging the. It was engaged in the investigation when they had all sorts of federal charges drawn up for Epstein. Why didn't Sarah, Kel and Vickers come forward and tell the prosecutors what these girls are saying is true? You're gonna have to be the judge of that, folks. You know, we all have our opinions, I guess. And my opinion is it's because she was a true believer in what they were doing. She was a believer in Epstein, she was a believer in Maxwell, and most importantly, she was a believer in boosting herself up the ladder and being part of what she was in love with. So called polite society. The sexual abuse took many forms, including Epstein's rape of plaintiff. Now, look, I. I don't think that raping anyone is okay, right? And if she was raped by Epstein, well, that's just. It's absolutely disgusting to even think about that this monster was doing that as well to even his, you know, people like Vickers. Right. But the fact of the matter remains that Vickers played a crucial part. Abusing other people. Just because you're abused or allegedly abused doesn't give you the right to ape that behavior and abuse other people. While I feel empathy for people like that, no doubt about it, you still have to suffer the consequences of your actions. And that, that goes doubly for people who don't come forward and talk to the authorities and try and help all of the other people who were victimized. Right? You were around. If you, you're older than a lot of these girls, you were being victimized yourself. Epstein goes to jail or the, the authorities finally start investigating him, you don't go on the low, low to talk to them. You don't go and talk to them. Hushed, hushed. Of course you do. If you really feel like your life's in jeopardy and you're being abused this way. Several chances she let go. And not only that, she was also still benefiting financially from her relationship with Epstein. So it's not like somebody who was, you know, living completely and shuttered in a basement or anything like that. She had ample opportunity to get away from him. Look how Virginia got away into Thailand. So, again, I know that Jeffrey Epstein was a sick bastard and he abused, like I said last night, probably hundreds of women and girls. But this defense by Jane Doe, one here is not really going to cut it, I don't think. I think people are going to see through it, and I think people are going to punch a bunch of holes in it. He would also enter Jane Doe's room and get into. Get into her bed while she was sleeping and then fondle or penetrate her with his fingers. This occurred often and repeatedly. He often directed her to undress and pose in certain ways and. Or touch him, him and herself while he masturbated. This occurred often and repeatedly. Epstein frequently directed Jane Doe to turn her head back during their sexual encounters, telling her that he did not want to see her face. Epstein also repeatedly required Jane Doe to bathe with him and perform oral sex on him. This occurred in New York, Palm Beach, New Mexico, London, Paris, on Epstein's private island, on Epstein's airplanes and other locations. 27. Jane Doe was paid in part to be sexually available to Epstein. So that's part of the defense, too. They're saying that Epstein was paying her, but it was only paying her for the sex. It wasn't paying her for her role within the criminal enterprise or the procurement or grooming of young women. Now, $250,000 is what these gals were getting paid as assistants. And we know that that's about three or four times more than assistants are making on Wall Street. So I doubt it was just for sex, considering all of the women he had available to him and women that were much younger than Jane Doe here. Okay? And we know that Jeffrey Epstein likes him much younger and likes them to look much younger. Now, again, I'm not. I'm not denying that any sort of sexual encounters took place between Epstein and this. This alleged victim here. Maybe they did. I don't know. I have no idea. But I know for a fact that there are more than a handful of survivors of Jeffrey Epstein and this criminal enterprise that point the finger directly at Jane Doe 1, Sarah Kellen Vickers, and the Core Four. So again, we're the public, right? We're all going to have our opinions on this at the End of the day it's going to be for the courts to decide and hopefully the courts have will be able to see through the BS and they'll decide in the right fashion and this person will not get one single dollar from this survivors fund. This argument may very well hold up in court and get Jane Doe a payout but it will likely not go down well with the other survivors, some of whom have named Epstein's recruiters in their lawsuits. The fact that this victim spent over alleged victim spent over a decade working for Epstein could also hinder her case. That's exactly what I was talking about. When you've been working for Epstein for so long and you have
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record of being one of his lieutenants, the jury's going to look at all of that. They're going to take all of it into account and I don't see how she or her lawyers will be able to convince a jury of her peers in a criminal case, mind you, that she was a victim here and not an abuser. So there you have it folks. Jane Doe 1, which looks like it is Sarah Kellen Vickers is applied to the survivor's fund looking to get a payout and saying that she too was a victim. I will leave it up to all of you to decide what you think about that kind of statement. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that@bobbycapucciorotonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A P U C c I@protonmail.com youm can also find me on Twitter at Bobby Excuse me. B O B B Y C A P U C C I All of the links that go with this episode can be found in the description box. Alright folks, I'll be.