Mega Edition: Joe Rogan And His Jeffrey Epstein Commentary (5/11/26)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Epstein Chronicles

Episode: Mega Edition – Joe Rogan and His Jeffrey Epstein Commentary (5/11/26)

Host: Bobby Capucci
Date: May 12, 2026

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Overview

In this extended episode, host Bobby Capucci examines recent comments and coverage of Jeffrey Epstein within the broader media landscape—especially focusing on Joe Rogan’s high-profile podcast. The discussion centers on Rogan’s allegations regarding Bill Clinton's relationship with Epstein, the infamous Clinton painting, and the question of blackmail. The episode also criticizes elite and media hypocrisy, omissions in high-publicity interviews (notably of Epstein's chef Adam Perry Lang), and dives into theories around intelligence ties. Notably, Capucci and guests maintain their characteristically blunt, aggressive tone, sparing no public figures and calling out ongoing complicity and lack of accountability.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Joe Rogan’s Clinton-Epstein Commentary

[01:02–06:04]

• Bobby highlights Rogan’s recent on-air claims: Rogan suggested Bill Clinton was not only closely associated with Epstein, but also possibly blackmailed by him, citing the notorious foyer painting of Clinton in a blue dress and heels (a nod to both Monica Lewinsky and Hillary Clinton’s fashion).
  • “That painting is like, ‘I got you,’ Rogan said about Epstein keeping that painting in his home.”
• Rogan wonders why Clinton’s repeated visits to Epstein’s jet and presence at the White House (17 times) are mostly ignored by mainstream media compared to the scrutiny applied to lesser political figures.
• Capucci re-emphasizes the hypocrisy in public and legal discourse: “If you were hanging around Epstein, you were helping him refurbish his image, you were taking part in his crimes. You need to be eviscerated.” [06:04]
• Evidence is cited that links Epstein to Clinton’s philanthropic efforts (the Clinton Global Initiative), drawing on letters and statements from Clinton’s own counsel.
• Virginia Roberts (Giuffre), a prominent survivor, maintains under oath that she saw Clinton on Epstein’s island for a dinner in his honor post-presidency.
• The painting, “Parsing Bill” by Petrina Ryan-Kleid, was snapped by a business partner visiting Epstein’s Manhattan home, confirming rumors about its bizarre and provocative nature.

2. Maxwell, Epstein’s Network, and Media Coverage

[08:44–16:18]

• Maxwell’s conviction, her co-conspirators, and the blanket immunity provided to the so-called “Core Four” assistants are discussed.
• Capucci criticizes the “sweetheart deal” that shielded many from prosecution.
• Maxwell’s ongoing appeals and excuses (“scapegoat” due to Epstein’s death) are dismissed as “ridiculous” and part of the larger pattern of elite evasion.
• Major banks (JPMorgan, Deutsche) facing significant settlements ($365 million) are mentioned as examples of institutional enablement.
• Capucci rails against legacy media for failing to scrutinize Epstein’s circle, repeatedly lamenting the persistent protection of political and business elites.

3. Joe Rogan’s Adam Perry Lang Interview—A Missed Opportunity

[16:18–27:48]

• The episode pivots to critique Rogan’s recent interview with celebrity chef Adam Perry Lang (a documented former Epstein employee), calling out the lack of hard questions regarding Lang’s role or knowledge.
  • “If you come on to my podcast or my show and you had anything to do with Jeffrey Epstein, you can expect... the most hardball, digging questions you can possibly imagine.” [22:08]
• Lang had extensive access to Epstein’s homes, travels, and parties, but has only claimed ignorance in a single Eater interview (2019).
• The role of media and Rogan’s own platform is scrutinized for providing cover: “Why Joe Rogan... chose not to ask a single question about Epstein while sitting across from one of his former personal chefs who was regularly on the Lolita Express leaves a pretty big question mark.” [25:03]
• Criticism is echoed from Rogan’s own listeners and the online community, who also expected accountability and transparency.

4. On Tribalism, Consistency, and Partisanship

[18:51–19:01]

• Both Capucci and his commentators denounce partisan/selective outrage:
  • “There is plenty of scumbags to go around on both sides of the aisle. All right? There’s no good guys here. Everybody is a gray character, folks. Come on.” [18:51]
• Dismissal of whataboutism: focus on each suspect's actions, not deflections to opponents.
• Deep distrust in “hero worship” and calls for critical scrutiny irrespective of celebrity or political status.

5. The Epstein Intelligence Asset Theory

[31:39–44:12]

• Rogan, in recent dialogue with Whitney Cummings, advances the theory (shared by Capucci and many online) that Epstein was a U.S. and/or Israeli intelligence asset, explaining his apparent immunity and the operational use of “kompromat.”
  • “Well, welcome to the party, Joe Rogan. We’ve been saying this for how long here on this podcast and elsewhere, right? Not just us here, but it’s obvious, at least to me, that Epstein was some sort of asset.” [31:50]
• Capucci and the panel see Epstein’s blackmail operation as fitting standard intelligence tradecraft: recruiting targets with vices, recording their transgressions, and using them for leverage.
• Rogan and Capucci both reject the idea of broad institutional conspiracy—rather, a handful of “black ops” actors operate off the books.
• Harvard’s willingness to take and keep Epstein’s donations, and its slow response to his predation, are cited as further examples of elite impunity.

6. Accountability & Institutional Rot

[44:00–44:12]

• Internal reports exonerating Harvard leadership, the MIT Media Lab’s ties to Epstein, and halfhearted “remediation” efforts (charitable donations after exposure) are dismissed as insufficient and as evidence of continued systemic rot in academia and beyond.
• Capucci’s final call: Only persistent, public pressure—media scrutiny, survivor advocacy, honest investigations—can cut through institutional denial and finally bring all enablers to account.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Context | |-----------|------------------|-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:02 | Capucci | “Joe Rogan once again is saying the quiet part out loud about Bill Clinton and his pal Jeffrey Epstein.” | | 06:04 | Capucci | “If you were hanging around Epstein... you need to be eviscerated. I don’t care what political party they rock with.” | | 19:01 | Commentator | “There is plenty of scumbags to go around on both sides of the aisle. There’s no good guys here. Everybody is a gray character.” | | 22:08 | Commentator | “If you come on to my podcast... you can expect... the most hardball, digging questions you can possibly imagine.” | | 25:03 | Commentator | “Why Joe Rogan... chose not to ask a single question about Epstein... leaves a pretty big question mark.” | | 31:50 | Co-host | “Welcome to the party, Joe Rogan. We’ve been saying this for how long here on this podcast and elsewhere, right?” | | 34:46 | Co-host | “There certainly are people within the government who are running these black ops who have zero care in the world about using a child molester or pedophile like Epstein to get compromise on people. And that’s certainly what Epstein was up to, folks.” | | 39:00 | Co-host | “I hope that people who are listening say to themselves, what the hell? What do you mean he was an intelligence operative? And they start digging deeper...” | | 44:08 | Co-host | “Because once again, the institutions are all broken and there is no equitable justice.” |

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Joe Rogan on Epstein-Clinton Blackmail Allegation: [01:02–06:04]
• Discussion of Maxwell’s Conviction & Survivor Evidence: [08:44–16:18]
• Rogan’s Interview with Adam Perry Lang Critique: [16:18–27:48]
• Discussing Tribalism/Partisanship around Epstein: [18:51–19:01]
• Rogan’s Intelligence Asset Theory/Harvard: [31:39–44:12]
• Academia & Institutional Accountability: [42:15–44:12]

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Conclusion

Bobby Capucci and his guests use this episode to interrogate not just the characters involved in the Epstein saga but the systemic failures and hypocrisies allowing them to escape meaningful scrutiny. The episode is searing in tone, consistently demanding consistency, transparency, and real accountability—from media figures like Rogan, from academic institutions, from the political elite, and from every associate who enabled Epstein’s crimes. With a sharp focus on the facts, testimony, and legal documents, Capucci dismisses excuses, invites hard questions, and warns against tribal loyalty, “hero worship,” and media complicity. The episode is both a comprehensive dissection of the Epstein media circus and a rallying cry for continued vigilance.

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Transcript

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and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. So Joe Rogan once again is saying the quiet part out loud about Bill Clinton and his pal Jeffrey Epstein. Now, I know a lot of people don't like to talk about this because, you know, he's one of the faves and all, but the fact is, Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein were way closer than a lot of people want to admit. And I'm old enough to remember how crazy everybody went over Alex Acosta. Meanwhile, those same people have nothing to say about Bill Clinton. Makes you wonder, doesn't it? But I'll leave the hypocrites up to their own devices here. We'll continue doing what we've always done. Eviscerate anybody who was palling around with with Jeffrey Epstein, and I don't care what political party they rock with. Today's article is from the Daily Mail. Headline Joe Rogan suggests Bill Clinton was blackmailed by Jeffrey Epstein Over 26 trips on pedophiles private plane and claims infamous painting of President in blue dress is Billionaires saying I got you. This article was authored by Andrea Cavalier. Podcaster Joe Rogan has suggested that Jeffrey Epstein was blackmailing Bill Clinton by displaying a massive painting of the former president wearing a dress in his New York home. In a recent episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, Rogan brought up the painting, first revealed by DailyMail.com in 2018, that hung in the foyer of Epstein's Manhattan apartment before he was found dead by suicide, allegedly in a jail cell after being accused of running a sex trafficking ring for underage girls. And let's not even talk about the flights on the plane, okay? Fine. He was on the plane.

[Podcast Co-host]

Great.

[Bobby Capucci]

You know what really gets me going? The fact that Jeffrey Epstein went to the White House over 17 times. We going to talk about that ever? What the hell was he doing at the White House saying 17 times? Why was Jeffrey Epstein palling around with the President of the United States 17 different times at the White House? Anybody going to explain that? Flight logs have shown that Clinton was aboard the financiers, pedophiles, Boeing 727 jet a total of 26 times between 2001 and 2003. Clinton has denied being on Epstein's pedophile island, Little St. James, and his spokesperson, angel arena, said the former president knows nothing about Epstein's terrible crimes. The problem with all of that is everything Angel Urena said in that Kandas statement back in the day that they haven't updated, by the way, is basically a lie. How many more times do we need to hear people in court or under oath say that Bill Clinton was on the plane or on the island? Because, you know, Bill Clinton is the pinnacle of truth, right? Old salt and earth kind of guy that's never told a lie in his life. The painting depicting Clinton lounging on a chair in the Oval Office wearing red heels and posing suggestively in a blue dress redolent of Monica Lewinsky was in a room off the stairway of the Upper east side townhouse. That painting is like, I got you, Rogan said about Epstein keeping that painting in his home and adding, you know, he knows about it. And let's not forget how much money Jeffrey Epstein gave to Bill Clinton to get Bill Clinton's foundation off the ground. And I know some people out there are like, yeah, right, that never happened. Well, like usual, I show up with receipts. From an article in Yahoo that was Originally published in 2019. Author Jack Crow writes, Mr. Epstein was part of the original group that conceived the the Clinton Global Initiative, which is described as a project bringing together a community of global leaders to devise and implement innovative solutions to some of the world's most pressing challenges. Attorneys Alan Dershowitz and Gerald Lefcourt wrote in the letter, which was first reported by fox news in 2016. So that's not me telling you that. That's his own lawyers telling you that, Alan Dershowitz telling you that. But please tell me a little bit more about middle manager Alex Acosta. Rogan continued. Imagine if I knew some horrible, dark secrets about you and you came over to my house and I have a giant painting of you right when you walk into the front door, of you in a dress. And I'm like, hey, buddy.

[Podcast Co-host]

And I've said that from the beginning.

[Bobby Capucci]

What's the purpose of having that sort of painting on the wall? I know people want to joke about it and you know that that's fine. There are a million jokes to be made, but the implications of what it really means, it's pretty serious. And not for nothing, but flip the script real quick. Imagine if that was Trump in a dress on Jeffrey Epstein's wall. Do you think the legacy media would be giving him a pass? And that's all I'm asking for here,

[Podcast Co-host]

folks, a little consistency.

[Bobby Capucci]

It doesn't matter who you are. If you were hanging around Epstein, you were helping him refurbish his image, you were taking part in his crimes. You need to be eviscerated. And all of these so called advocates out here, all of these people who say that they care about what happened in the Epstein case, who completely ignore Bill Clinton, well, they don't care. All they're looking to do is score some political points in hopes that their shitty elected politicians can hold on to power. Clinton's spokesperson confirmed that in 2002 and 2003, the former President took four trips on the pedophile's private plane with multiple stops. And that staff and his Secret Service detail traveled on every leg. And it's amazing to me that the legacy media lets angel arena get away with this. This dude's telling you lies straight up, point blank, period lies that has been documented in the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell and in all of these different depositions that have been unsealed. And on the flip side of that, all we have is the word of Bill Clinton and Angel Arena. Really? And that's what people are going to believe? Oh, yeah. Well, angel arena said that Bill Clinton was never there, so he was never there. Talk about cognitive dissonance. One of Epstein's survivors, Virginia Roberts, claimed she saw Clinton on the island for a dinner held in his honor shortly after he left office. And she stood by that claim when questioned under oath. So has angel arena been questioned under oath? How about Bill Clinton? Okay, I'm gonna go with the people who were questioned under oath. The original painting is called Parsing Bill and is by Australian American artist Petrina Ryan Clyde. Although it is unclear if Epstein had bought the canvas or had a print mounted. Ryan Clyde had the picture as an exhibit for her degree show. When she graduated with an MFA in 2012 from the New York Academy of Art, and we've talked about the New York Academy of Art before, at length, and how they helped out with Epstein. The whole Maria Farmer story. And it's crazy how many connections Epstein had to the New York Academy of Art, another topic hardly explored by the legacy media. By the way, the painting was secretly snapped inside his lavish $56 million home in October 2012, four years after Epstein completed his sweetheart deal for prostitution of a minor and seven years before he was accused of running a sex trafficking ring of underage girls. The source who asked to remain anonymous, was visiting Epstein to present a business proposal. A imagine showing up to somebody's house and seeing that picture on the wall and all of the other weird ass decor. I'd be turning right around and walking out of that house. Business proposal be damned. I don't want to be in business with somebody like this ever, she told Daily Mail TV at the time. It was absolutely Bill Clinton. It was shocking. It was definitely a painting of him. It was very provocative sexual picture. He was wearing heels, a blue dress and and his hand was in a weird position. The color of the dress seemed to be pointed reference to Clinton's former intern Monica Lewinsky, who had a blue dress during their infamous sexual encounter in the White House. The dress is also strikingly similar to one worn by Hillary Clinton at the 2009 Kennedy Center Honors. And it looks way more like the Clinton dress to me than the Monica Lewinsky one. And that too, in my opinion, was by design. Has his legs crossed over the arm of a chair with blood red heels hovering over a rug that seems to bear the presidential seal. The shoulder of the blue dress hangs off to the side as Clinton seems to point a finger towards the viewer. That image is apparently inspired by the famous image of Uncle Sam used in James Montgomery flag's World War I recruiting poster. Boy, that's nice, huh? The source that spotted the painting said she saw it while being led from the office to his personal quarters. When we saw the portrait, it was through the door that had been left temporarily open by his housekeeper or his butler. I thought, why in the world would Epstein have that up? I didn't even know that they knew each other. Although she was stunned by the painting, her business partner managed to take a snap on of the painting. She said he took a picture. I was mortified because there were cameras everywhere. Again, another person confirming that Epstein's pad was wired up for surveillance. The source added that she was inside Epstein's home for around an hour and a half for the meeting, which had been arranged by his then assistant Leslie Groff. The blonde was named as a possible accomplice and granted immunity in Epstein's controversial plea deal in 2008. She's part of the core four and how Leslie Groff was able to avoid all of this is pretty amazing. But like they said here, the non prosecution deal that Epstein scored protected the whole entire Core four from prosecution. It also protected Indyk and Khan. Epstein committed suicide, allegedly at age 66 in August of 2019 in a Manhattan jail cell was while awaiting trial for sex trafficking. Last month the US government urged an appeals court to uphold Ghislaine Maxwell's conviction and 20 year prison sentence for helping the disgraced pedophile sexually abuse teenage girls. Maxwell, 61, is behind bars in Tallahassee, Florida after a Manhattan jury convicted her in December 2021 on five charges for recruiting and grooming four girls for Epstein to abuse between 1994 and 2004. Her accusers have said she and Epstein at first made them feel welcome in their orbit before Epstein began demanding sexualized massages. Hundreds of women have said he abused them. In her appeal, Maxwell, daughter of late British media mogul Robert Maxwell, accused prosecutors of making her a scapegoat. But because Epstein was dead and public outrage demanded that someone else absorb the blame. So ridiculous. All she did was get what she deserved. She played her part and now she's getting her just desserts. Prosecutors rejected her claims that they waited too long to bring charges and that Epstein's 2007 non prosecution agreement arising from alleged abuse at his Palm Beach, Florida mansion also immunized her. They also said the trial judge had discretion to conclude the Maxwell's jury was fair and impartial, though one juror failed to disclose during pre trial questioning that he had been sexually abused as a child. Maxwell is eligible for release in July of 2037 with credit for good behavior and the two years she spent in jail before being imprisoned. She should be in prison for the rest of her life for what she did.

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[Bobby Capucci]

She got off light. I know she doesn't believe that, but she got off light. Others who were friendly with Epstein have seen their reputations tarred or ruined, among them Britain's Prince Andrew and and former JP Morgan Chase executive and Barclays chief executive Jess Staley. JP Morgan and Deutsche bank, which both had Epstein as a client, are paying a combined $365 million to Epstein's accusers over their work for him. The U.S. virgin Islands, where Epstein had a home, is also suing J.P. morgan. And that's not even the half of it. There's so many people that were tied to this guy that should be having their reputations blown up that aren't even being talked about that it would make your head spin. But here we are, all these years later, and the legacy media still providing cover for all of Jeffrey Epstein's buddies. All right folks, that's gonna do it for this one. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the

[Podcast Commentator/Critic]

Description box article today from uprocks.com and it is about Adam about Adam Perry Lang's appearance on the Joe Rogan Experience, the headline Joe Rogan's most recent podcast guest and the lack of questions about his past have raised some eyebrows. The author of this piece from Uproxx is Zach Johnston. If you follow the Joe Rogan Experience, even in a passive way, you'll know how often the mysterious death of Jeffrey Epstein comes up. For sure. I pretty much religiously listen to Joe Rogan's podcast while I'm hiking and climbing and on adventures. And he talks about Epstein all the time. And for the most part, Rogan's awesome. I would say 99.5% of the time. Rogan is just incredible with the way he formats his show and how he goes about his business. But in this case, I really think that he, he missed a solid chance here to really, really dig in and get some answers from the chef. You can simply Google Joe Rogan Experience, Jeffrey Epstein, and pages of clips of Rogan and different guests spanning dozens of episodes will pop up. If you listen to Rogan a little more closely, you'll also know whenever Epstein does come up, the infamous Lolita Express comes up, too. Epstein's private plane, Rogan usually brings up brings it up in relation to former President Bill Clinton by saying, while emphasizing every single syllable Bill Clinton wrote on the Lolita Express no less than 26 times. Well, yeah, why shouldn't he bring that up? It's like the author of this article is mad that he would bring up Bill Clinton. I don't understand. I just don't understand what the whole rallying around Bill Clinton is these days. I mean, the guy's been credibly accused of by how many women and still he's like somebody that people are rallying around to def. And really what that comes down to, folks, is tribalism, right? It comes down to our side versus their side. We're going to protect our side so it doesn't look like we're all bad. It's so stupid. And you know what? Not to digress and jump off topic for a second. Well, kind of the same topic. But lately on Twitter, on a bunch of threads that I've been tagged in, I've been seeing a lot of partisan tribalism and it's a bunch of bullshit. If you tag me in one of those posts with your, with your tribalism and your nonsense, do not Accept. Do not expect a response from me.

[Bobby Capucci]

I'm not gonna be.

[Podcast Commentator/Critic]

I'm not gonna talk about any of that. That bs. There is plenty of scumbags to go around on both sides of the aisle. All right? There's no good guys here. Everybody is a gray character, folks. Come on.

[Podcast Co-host]

Now,

[Podcast Commentator/Critic]

worth noting, Rogan rarely brings up how many times current President Donald Trump was on that very same plane. So you have to engage in what about ism, Right? So if you bring up one person, you have to bring up the other. No, that's not how this works, okay? We talk about each person and we move forward and then talk about the next person. We don't have to use what about ism, okay? Just because you bring up Clinton, you don't have to bring up Trump. And just because you bring up Trump, you don't have to bring up Clinton, okay? There are plenty scummy on their own, folks. Which makes this week's guest a curious pick for the podcast host Rogan welcomed famed Los Angeles steakhouse chef Adam Perry Lang APL Restaurant to talk about steak and how Lang's ultra high end restaurant restaurant is faring during the lockdown. Lang is a renowned chef and Rogan loves meat, so that bit holds water. Okay, well, yeah, he is a renowned chef, no doubt about it. And Rogan not only loves meat, he's a prolific hunter. He does a lot of bow hunting. If you're not familiar with Joe Rogan. So, yeah, I could see why he won't look. I could understand why Rogan would have a chef on the show, and I could even understand why he'd have Adam Perry Lang on the show. But what I don't understand is the lack of hard questions. That. That is so un Rogan like that. I don't even know what's going on there. Like, did he have a new strain of weed that he was. That he was blasting before the show or during the show and it made him forget? I mean, I want to give Joe Rogan the benefit of the doubt more than anybody, honestly. Because all kidding aside, you know, his podcast is something that is. It's an incredible resource for the most part. So it's just disappointing when you see stuff like this and you see that Adam Perry Lang was on there and he wasn't really quizzed the way he should be. But Adam Perry Lang worked for Epstein, and Rogan somehow didn't bring this up a single time during the two hour interview. Instead, they talked about steak. And that's pretty much it. Look, I get it. Again, I get it, why Rogan wanted to have Adam Perry Lang on the show. Steaks, blah, blah, blah. I understand. But come on, Joe, there was nobody else that you could have picked to be on the, on the podcast. It had to be Adam Perry Lang. There's nobody else that cooks a mean steak. I mean, especially considering just recently Adam Perry Lang was, was, was brought up in the new.

[Podcast Co-host]

In the papers from the sun, in

[Podcast Commentator/Critic]

the documents from the sun, one of the 7D people. So you would think Rogan would at the very least have a couple of questions, right? Look, I have to tell you, friend or not, if you come on to my podcast or my show and you had anything to do with Jeffrey Epstein, you can expect. I am talking the most hardball digging questions you can possibly imagine and it won't be done in a nice way to be honest with you. Right? Friend or not, you have to answer for your transgressions. You have to answer for your time with Jeffrey Epstein. I mean, has anybody asked this guy about it? Has this guy really, has he ever come out and done a full on interview about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein or what he saw while he was Epstein?

[Podcast Co-host]

Chef,

[Bobby Capucci]

look, there's a lot there.

[Podcast Commentator/Critic]

I mean, look, the end of the

[Podcast Co-host]

day, he can end it all.

[Bobby Capucci]

Adam Perry Lane can end it all

[Podcast Commentator/Critic]

by coming out and doing an interview and explaining his role. Go to the FBI and tell them, look, this is what I saw. Let's get on record, let's go on record. I know that's what I would do if I was in Issues, but no, none of these people seem to care enough about the survivors to do that.

[Podcast Co-host]

All of these people want, all these

[Podcast Commentator/Critic]

people want is for this to go away. They don't want it to ruin their public image and affect their ability to earn. That's all they care about. They don't care about these survivors. And it's sickening to me. It was confirmed that Lang spent considerable time traveling with Epstein and his crew to all the spots where Epstein was allegedly flying in underage girls to attend lavish parties he threw for celebrities, politicians, billionaires and royalty. Lange himself admitted he was on some of the flights and worked in Epstein's homes, but told Eater in 2019 that, that he was unaware of any wrongdoing going on all around him. Oh yeah, I'm sure that's what they all said, right? And Eater, that was the publication that chased him down. None of these legacy media outlets thought it was appropriate to try and get an interview with Jeffrey Epstein's private chef who was flying all over the world with him on the plane doing Lord knows what. Nobody thought that that would be an interesting interview, huh? Nobody thought that some hard questions should be asked. Boy, that legacy media sure cares about us. What an absolute joke. The legacy media is an absolute dumpster fire. My role was limited to meal preparation. Lang told Eater. I was unaware of the depraved behavior and have great sympathy and admiration for the brave women who have come forward. Well, have you come forward, Mr. Lang? Have you shown great courage by coming forward, Mr.

[Bobby Capucci]

Language.

[Podcast Commentator/Critic]

The answer is no, of course not. None of these guys have come forward because guess what? All of these people have something to hide. In my opinion. Every single one of these people was an enabler. Every single one of these people that was palling around with Jeffrey Epstein is under the microscope at this point. Lang hasn't offered any more information since the conversation. In the years after Lang worked for Epstein at his New Mexico ranch, Palm beach compound, New York penthouse and private Caribbean island, he's become the toast of the Los Angeles food scene, working for Oprah, Mario Batali and Jimmy Kimmel. The latter is such a close friend that Kimmel let Lange live in his beach house after his recent separation and divorce. Oh, isn't that nice? Wasn't Jimmy Kimmel up there screaming down from his ivory tower about the rest of us and Kavanaugh and all these

[Podcast Co-host]

other people who were accused of sexual

[Podcast Commentator/Critic]

assault, yet he has this Jeffrey Epstein associate living with him at his house? This is what I mean about these hypocrites, folks. All right? All of these hypocrites are ridiculous.

[Bobby Capucci]

There.

[Podcast Commentator/Critic]

I am so against hero worshiping that I can't even begin to explain to you how detrimental to people I think it is. You should not be worshiping any of these famous people as heroes. They are all gray characters and they are all capable of incredible evil like any other human being. Nobody, none of these people should be put on a pedestal, especially a guy like Jimmy Kimmel. Give me a break with this guy. Why Joe Rogan, a man fairly obsessed with Jeffrey Epstein up to this point, chose not. Choose not to sit and, excuse me, chose not to ask a single question about Epstein while sitting across from one of his former personal chefs who was regularly on the Lolita Express, leaves a pretty big question mark, and he's receiving a lot of ire from Rogan's fans in and on social media and the comment section of the episode's YouTube page. So there's a couple of comments from people that they posted. One is from Pure Optics Shout out to pure Optics from Twitter.

[Bobby Capucci]

Yeah.

[Podcast Commentator/Critic]

So these are, you know, people that are asking questions of why these questions weren't asked to the chef, Adam Perry Lang. And they're good questions, right? It's, it's, it's legit to ask why Joe Rogan did not ask him anything about Jeffrey Epstein. All right, that is a legit question to ask. It's a legit criticism. And that's coming from one of Joe Rogan's biggest fans. Just straight up honest with you. The guy is an incredible story as far as a podcaster goes, and his show is just amazing. So it's disappointing to see stuff like this. Right. So the criticism is warranted. And I think that going forward, if anybody has this, this Adam Perry Lang sitting down in front of them, you have to ask these questions, right? You have to ask this guy what he knows, what he was involved in, even if he just gives you a canned answer and, you know, one of those prepared responses. At the very least, you did your job as the host of the show by trying to dig a little deeper. Instead, they just talk about steak, etc. Etc. I don't, you know, it's one of the, honestly, honestly, this is one of the worst episodes that I've ever listened to on the Joe Rogan experience and what are their 1470 episodes or something like that. So, you know, I understand that it doesn't, you don't always get it right as a podcast host or a content creator. Not everything is a home run. Sometimes the content is eh. But when it comes to situations like this and the fact that Epstein has, I mean, Rogan has been so interested in the Epstein case, it's just mind boggling to think that he didn't have any questions for Adam Perry Lang in regards to his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

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[Podcast Commentator/Critic]

Obviously, no one has to be fully accountable for their associates or employers, but this topic seems like a pretty large elephant to leave standing in the room. Of course, nobody is responsible for all of Their friends or their boss or anything like that. That's. Nobody's saying that. Okay. What I'm saying is this man was obviously around. He was on the planes. He had firsthand knowledge. He witnessed things firsthand.

[Podcast Co-host]

To say he saw nothing, that's.

[Podcast Commentator/Critic]

You'd have to be real naive to believe that, in my opinion. So it's warranted to ask this man, what have you seen? What do you know? But Joe Rogan took a different approach in this podcast, and it's a disappointing situation because usually Rogan be all over it, right? So you can understand why people are disappointed, and you can understand why people have questions. I would hope that in the future, if Perry Lang ever comes back onto the show, that Rogan would ask him some harder questions and really, you know, travel down that road, because the audience wants to know, everybody wants to know what Adam Perry Lang saw and what he can add to the case. So he should really come forward, talk to the investigators, and clear his name if he wasn't involved. But again, the only outlet that has chased him down is Eater in 2019. This isn't a story for the legacy media. Nobody in the legacy media wants to

[Podcast Co-host]

talk to this guy.

[Podcast Commentator/Critic]

I mean, think about the resources that the legacy media wastes on dumb shit on a regular basis. But this guy who was a personal chef on the planes named in the documents, nobody wants to talk to him. Rogan doesn't even ask him any questions. In my opinion, none of that is okay. Adam Perry Lang must be questioned, and he must answer why he was around Epstein for so long and how he can possibly say he did not see anything out of the ordinary. I am sorry, but I do not believe that. And I don't think anybody who is following this case believes that. We know that all of these people have the same excuse. Oh, I didn't see anything. I wasn't around anything.

[Podcast Co-host]

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

[Podcast Commentator/Critic]

And they've been allowed to get away with that. No hard questions. Nobody's challenged that. Everybody's just been like, oh, okay, he said he wasn't. He didn't know anything. So he's. He's good. He's good to go.

[Podcast Co-host]

It's like the Biden campaign coming out

[Podcast Commentator/Critic]

and saying, well, the Times investigated this

[Podcast Co-host]

and they gave us a pass. No, that's not good enough.

[Podcast Commentator/Critic]

Hard questions need to be asked. And unfortunately, on this episode of the Joe Rogan Experience, that was not accomplished. Let's hope going forward that Adam Perry Lang is questioned in the proper manner by authorities or the legacy media. And let's see just exactly what Adam Perry Lang knows. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that@bobby capuchirotonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A P U C c [e-mail] youm can also find me on Twitter at Bobby Cap ucci.

[Podcast Co-host]

Alright folks, what's hello everyone and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

[Bobby Capucci]

So Joe Rogan on his podcast was talking about Epstein and he says that

[Podcast Co-host]

he also believes that Epstein was a

[Bobby Capucci]

CIA or Mossad spy.

[Podcast Co-host]

Well, welcome to the party, Joe Rogan. We've been saying this for how long here on this podcast and elsewhere, right? Not just us here, but it's obvious, at least to me, that Epstein was some sort of asset. Now the question is, who is he being run by? For me, I think the most logical answer to that is he was being run by both of them.

[Bobby Capucci]

My guess is that it was the

[Podcast Co-host]

CIA who okay the operation.

[Bobby Capucci]

And then of course there were some Mossad elements as well. But the people who believe that it

[Podcast Co-host]

was a full on Mossad operation, I can't get down with that. Because as strong and as powerful as

[Bobby Capucci]

the Mossad is, they'll always be the little brother to the CIA.

[Podcast Co-host]

And there's nothing that goes on in this country or the world that the CIA is not aware of. These dudes know what's up. Especially if you think you're going to run an operation like this in America using somebody like Epstein who's already known to them.

[Bobby Capucci]

Let's not forget the FBI. Let's not forget all of his other

[Podcast Co-host]

run ins with the law that saw Epstein come out unscathed. What can explain all of that? Is it just good luck? Is he just the Teflon Don or is there something else going on behind the scenes? Today we have an article from the New York Post.

[Bobby Capucci]

The author is Ariel Zilber.

[Podcast Co-host]

Headline Joe Rogan Jeffrey Epstein may have been CIA or Mossad spy. Yeah, no, but I'll take a different approach than most people. I think it's a good thing Rogan's talking about this with his reach and his audience. The more people who know what really went on here, the better off we are. And I've saw some people come out and accuse him of being a conspiracy theorist for this. I mean really, considering what Alexander Acosta had to say about Epstein being owned by intelligence, considering what we have heard from so many other sources, is it

[Bobby Capucci]

really that far of a stretch to

[Podcast Co-host]

believe that this guy was being run as an asset and remember being run as an asset doesn't mean the government itself is condoning what you're doing.

[Bobby Capucci]

You're being run as an asset by

[Podcast Co-host]

some black group, right? Some black operation that's off the books.

[Bobby Capucci]

So people try.

[Podcast Co-host]

They conflate it sometimes and act like you're saying, well, the whole government was in on it. That's certainly not what I'm saying. But there certainly are people within the government who are running these black ops who have zero care in the world about using a child molester or pedophile like Epstein to get compromise on people. And that's certainly what Epstein was up to, folks. Joe Rogan thinks that convicted pedophile Jeffrey Epstein may have been an agent of

[Bobby Capucci]

either the CIA or Israel's Mossad, who

[Podcast Co-host]

was part of a plot to collect sensitive information about the rich and powerful. We all know that that's what was going on.

[Bobby Capucci]

The girls all told us, all of his survivors.

[Podcast Co-host]

How many of them have told us

[Bobby Capucci]

about the house being wired?

[Podcast Co-host]

How many of us have. How many of them have told us about the dossiers? You see, I don't worry about all the white noise. I listen to what the actual survivors have to say and then what we see in court documents. Because there's a treasure trove of information in all of those leaks. And when you start putting the pieces together, there's no way that you can come to any other destination besides one that has Epstein being protected from. By. By somebody. Rogan broached the topic of Epstein and his connection to Harvard University on last

[Bobby Capucci]

Friday's episode of his popular podcast, the

[Podcast Co-host]

Joe Rogan Experience, which is available on the Spotify streaming service.

[Bobby Capucci]

It's funny he's talking about Harvard here,

[Podcast Co-host]

considering Mr. Steven Pinker, Professor Pinker, blocked me on Twitter and I've never even had a back and forth with the guy. I was looking at something else, and I happened to run across his Twitter feed, and it says, you're blocked. And let me tell you what, I had a great chuckle at that. Imagine being some Harvard trained dude, all that money, some big shot, and getting your lunch eaten by a guy who's barely functional. A guy who barely made it through state school. Talk about wasted money, huh? But Harvard is just a bed sty, a sore of disgustingness. When we're talking about Epstein, you want to talk about an open wound, It's Harvard and everybody who was involved with Epstein on that campus. And with Pinker blocking me, I hope the rest of them do the same. Then my next goal will be to have the Taliban put a fatwa out on me. The podcaster and his guest, comedian Whitney Cummings, began talking about Epstein. His comments were cited on Monday by Mediate. Well, he definitely donated some money to science, Rogan said. You know, but I had a conversation with a scientist who didn't buy into the Epstein stuff and wouldn't go to the meetings and stuff like that. Now, why would you, if you were some scientist and this dorky ass dude who has no credentials, no anything, and has all of these rumors swirling around them, this guy comes and contacts you, you're going to take money from him.

[Bobby Capucci]

Oh, yeah, that's a good idea.

[Podcast Co-host]

And he said he was really shocked at how little money he actually donated. Interesting, Cummings said. He goes, it wasn't that much money. He goes, it was really like he was more than that. Rogan said he was. He was somebody who provided them something that they were incapable of getting themselves pretty young women. It's not that hard to figure out, folks. It's not this unsolvable puzzle. These dudes had proclivities, grew up, you know, bookworms, nerds.

[Bobby Capucci]

Never had hot girls, I'm sure.

[Podcast Co-host]

Then this disgusting pedophile shows up, says

[Bobby Capucci]

to them, I have access to all these young girls.

[Podcast Co-host]

Why don't you come to my island for a vacation? And if Epstein tells them they're underage or doesn't tell them they're underage, who knows? But the fact is, once they're on that island and they're engaging in, you know, relations with these girls now, they're part of what went on.

[Bobby Capucci]

Right?

[Podcast Co-host]

And if you build a file on somebody and say to them, look, you were sleeping with an underage girl, and I have documented proof, you don't think that that person is going to become more malleable, Somebody who's going to be more willing to give you information that you're looking for? Of course they are. He was bringing them to parties like it was an intelligence operation. Rogan said whoever was running it, whether

[Bobby Capucci]

it was the Mossad or whether it was the CIA or whether it was

[Podcast Co-host]

a combination of both, it was an intelligence operation. They were bringing in people and compromising them. Look, this is Joe Rogan saying it as well. And you can like Rogan or not like Rogan, whatever, but if you're somebody who is interested in justice in this case, having him talk about this to his wider range of audience is a. Is. Is a good thing.

[Bobby Capucci]

And I hope that people who are

[Podcast Co-host]

listening say to themselves, what the hell? What do you mean he was an intelligence operative? And they start digging Deeper, because we all know that you can't just scratch the surface of this one. You gotta dive right into the deep end. And when they would compromise them, they would use, you know, whatever they had on them to influence their opinions and the way they express those opinions. Rogan added, and I don't know why they would want to do that with scientists, which is really strange to me. Well, who knows what those scientists were working on.

[Bobby Capucci]

I think we would have to go

[Podcast Co-host]

back and look at every single scientist and look at the projects they were working on and then try and draw

[Bobby Capucci]

the comparisons and the parallels from there.

[Podcast Co-host]

Cummings then joked Epstein's like, I need

[Bobby Capucci]

you to do a study about how 15 year old girls are adults.

[Podcast Co-host]

They're more, they're more mature than we thought. But if a scientist donates, I'm sorry, if a rich person donates to a scientist, do they have any ability to

[Bobby Capucci]

weigh in or are they just like,

[Podcast Co-host]

I get no decisions about how this money is spent? She said, that's an interesting point, but really with Epstein, it was more. It wasn't like he was just some kind of philanthropist who's trying to help people out. He was doing this to manipulate the situation and give him more power over things. Rogan replied, I don't know. I mean, I would imagine the money goes like, if you have a research grant and say like you're working on a cure for leukemia or something like that, you know, you find established scientists that are working on this thing and then you allocate money so that they can work on the projects. Whether or not the person who donates the money has any, any influence on how that money is spent.

[Bobby Capucci]

I doubt it.

[Podcast Co-host]

I highly doubt legitimate scientists would, would adhere to that.

[Bobby Capucci]

Rogan added.

[Podcast Co-host]

Epstein killed himself, allegedly while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges in 2019. He allegedly assaulted dozens of girls, some as young as 14 years old.

[Bobby Capucci]

Allegedly.

[Podcast Co-host]

No, he did okay. And it was over a hundred who got a payout. So the base number should be the

[Bobby Capucci]

girls who got paid out at the very least.

[Podcast Co-host]

So I mean dozens really? How about hundreds? His madam. You mean co conspirator and fellow child abuser Ghislaine Maxwell, 60, was sentenced last month to 20 years in federal prison for procuring young girls in Epstein sex trafficking operation. Maxwell's late father, Robert Maxwell, was rumored to have ties with the Israeli intelligence service, the Mossad.

[Bobby Capucci]

Not rumored. It's fact, you see.

[Podcast Co-host]

Don't try and muddy the waters. Facts are facts and what aren't facts are rumors.

[Bobby Capucci]

But it's a fact that that Robert

[Podcast Co-host]

Maxwell had tied to high ties to the Mossad and to Israeli intelligence.

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[Podcast Co-host]

in 2020. Harvard found that the university accepted more than $9 million from Epstein during the decade leading up to his 2008 sex crimes conviction in Florida state court, but barred him from making further donations after that point. It concluded that Epstein visited the Cambridge, Massachusetts campus more than 40 times after his conviction, including as recently as 2018.

[Bobby Capucci]

Martin Nowak, a Harvard professor who had close ties to Epstein and who allegedly

[Podcast Co-host]

gave him an office on campus, was disciplined by the school. The visits by Epstein stopped after other researchers complained to Nowak about Epstein's presence, investigators said. Imagine being that daft and saying to yourself, oh, it's okay if Epstein comes. Nobody's going to have any issue with that. Imagine being that ridiculous. The report cleared Harvard's senior leaders of wrongdoing, saying they acted appropriately in their dealings with Epstein. Of course it did. Every single one of these internal reports, same thing. Oh, you did a little something wrong, but you didn't do it knowingly. Although most of the funding from Epstein had been spent by last year, the school said it donated the remaining 200,000 to groups that support victims of sex trafficking and assault. Other universities have also faced scrutiny over their ties to Epstein, including MIT and the former director of MIT's famous Media Lab, Joy Ito resigned in 2019amid uproar over his financial connections to Epstein.

[Bobby Capucci]

He issued a public apology and vowed

[Podcast Co-host]

to raise money for victims of trafficking. And that's what they all try and do, right? To assuage people's feelings?

[Bobby Capucci]

Oh well, I'll just raise some money

[Podcast Co-host]

and that's going to fix everything. No, it's not. Why did you take money from Epstein? Why was Harvard involved? And why is Harvard, for the most

[Bobby Capucci]

part, avoided any real scrutiny here? I'll tell you why.

[Podcast Co-host]

Because once again, the institutions are all broken and there is no equitable justice.

[Bobby Capucci]

If you'd like to contact me, you

[Podcast Co-host]

can do that@bobbycapucci protonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A P U C c [e-mail] you can also find me on Twitter at Bobby Capuci. The link that I discussed can be found in the description box.

[Bobby Capucci]

All right, everybody, I'll be back later

[Podcast Co-host]

on with a little more. Hope you're all having a good one.

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