Mega Edition: Leon Black And The Attempt To Change The Narrative Surrounding HIs Epstein Ties (7/3/26)

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Epstein Chronicles

Episode: Mega Edition: Leon Black And The Attempt To Change The Narrative Surrounding His Epstein Ties
Host: Bobby Capucci
Release Date: July 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Epstein Chronicles delves deep into the financial and personal ties between billionaire Leon Black and the late Jeffrey Epstein. Bobby Capucci dissects the latest investigative reporting revealing further monetary connections — including major charitable donations and “hush money” payments to accusers — while offering a critical analysis of Black’s evolving public defense and attempts to reshape the narrative. The episode also addresses ethical issues arising from the legal defense of Black, highlighting the murky overlap between prosecutors and high-paid defense teams. Capucci’s tone is direct, unapologetic, and skeptical, maintaining a no-nonsense approach to exposing what he sees as systemic corruption and obfuscation among elites tied to Epstein.

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Key Points & Segment Breakdown

1. New Revelations on Black’s Financial Dealings with Epstein

[00:00–09:00]

• $10 Million Donation to Epstein’s Charity:
  In addition to the previously reported $158 million Black paid Epstein for supposed “tax advice,” Capucci notes another $10 million donated in 2015 to Epstein’s “Gratitude America” charity. This was the only major donation the charity had received in its three-year existence.

  “So this ‘charity’ is in existence for over three years, but they never receive even one donation. And then out of the blue, there’s a 10 million dollar donation from Leon Black.” [~03:20]

• Coinciding Hush Money Payments:
  The same month as the charity donation, Black’s alleged mistress, Guzel Ganieva, began receiving $100,000 monthly hush money payments from an opaque “E trust,” marking a shift from prior direct payments from Black’s accounts.

  “Basically what he was doing was funneling this money to Jeffrey Epstein so that Epstein could take care of paying off all of his hush money payments. That’s what it looks like now.” [~04:40]

• Skepticism on the ‘Tax Advice’ Explanation:
  Capucci forcefully rejects the idea any high-powered Wall Street figure would pay $170 million solely for tax advice, calling it “a bunch of bs.”

  “Do you truly believe that Leon Black was piecing off Epstein…just for advice? Sounds a bit strange from…one of the biggest movers and shakers in the financial world.” [~05:32]

2. Context on Ganieva’s Allegations & Legal Maneuvers

[06:50–09:00]

• Nature of Relationship and Court Battles:
  Ganieva’s relationship with Black included lavish gifts and promises (British legal status, college tuition), and later, a contentious legal battle. Her rape and harassment allegations were eventually dismissed in court, but not before illuminating Black’s extensive efforts to keep the relationship secret via NDAs and hush payments.

• Comparison to Weinstein & Use of NDAs:
  Capucci draws parallels to the Harvey Weinstein scandal, warning that NDAs were systematically used by powerful men to suppress abuse claims.

  “NDAs were the lifeblood for people like Harvey Weinstein…That’s why people like Leon Black would enter into one of these NDAs.” [~07:35]

3. Questions of Money Laundering & Senate Investigation

[09:01–12:10]

• Charity-to-Charity Transactions:
  Funds transferred back and forth between Epstein’s and Black’s charities (e.g., $225,000 donation) resemble classic money laundering, suggesting intent to obscure the money’s true origin and benefit.

• Ongoing Legal Scrutiny:
  The Senate Finance Committee is investigating whether Black fulfilled his tax obligations with these payments, but Capucci voices skepticism about the seriousness of congressional oversight given historic patterns of elite impunity.

  “If they’re using RICO on local drug dealers, why aren’t they using RICO on Jeffrey Epstein’s criminal enterprise?” [09:03]

4. Ethical Dilemmas in Prosecutorial Conduct & Defense Hires

[12:18–22:00]

• Prosecutor-Turned-Defense Attorney for Black:
  Capucci slams the hiring of former Manhattan prosecutor Joan Uluzi Orban — who previously investigated Black — by the law firm representing him against Ganieva. He sees this as emblematic of a broken, self-serving justice system.

  “How is it, okay, that somebody who is prosecuting somebody one day can the next day be that person’s lawyer? … There’s no law against this?” [12:27, paraphrased]

• Conflict of Interest & Survivor Distrust:
  Ganieva’s lawyers argue that survivors will fear confiding in prosecutors if ex-prosecutors can switch sides and defend alleged abusers.

  “No survivor will feel safe disclosing their confidential information to government lawyers if they know that their confidence can be used to help defend the same man that they alleged sexually harmed them.” – Jean Christensen, Ganieva’s attorney [17:31]

• Capucci’s Condemnation of ‘Two-Tier Justice’:

  “You want to talk about a two-tier justice system, you’re looking at it right here.” [18:18] He links this pattern to the erosion of prosecutorial integrity, likening today’s SDNY to a pale shadow of its once-proud mafia-busting legacy.

5. Black’s Public Relations Offensive & Interview Reaction

[26:40–33:28]

• Dissecting Black’s Interview with Puck:
  Black tries to normalize his ties to Epstein, suggesting that many other titans (Clinton, Trump, Hoffman, Chomsky, etc.) also associated with Epstein and “didn’t know” about his crimes.

  “I don’t believe any of these guys knew that Jeffrey was a pedophile. I certainly didn’t… I’m defending me.” – Leon Black [30:15 quoted/paraphrased]

• Host’s Derision of Black’s Excuses:
  Capucci dismisses Black’s claims as revisionist history and ‘whataboutism’, ridiculing the notion that Black would carelessly lose track of hundreds of millions paid to Epstein.

  “Do you think guys like this get rich by misplacing $100 million? … The answer is no. And anyone believing this guy’s BS, well, I don’t know what to tell you.” [27:20] “Stop it… That money that you say he stole or you didn’t get reimbursed for, that was his fee to stash your money offshore. Do you think we’re stupid?” [40:34]

• Black’s Response on Epstein’s 2006 Arrest:
  Black downplays the significance, stating he believed Epstein’s claim of being caught with a 17-year-old who “lied about her age” and considered it “not the end of the world” — a stance the host finds deeply revealing of Black’s values.

  “My feeling is there are serious things and there are things that are less serious. I didn’t think this was the end of the world, frankly.” – Leon Black [35:40 paraphrased]

6. Continuing Litigation and the Role of Money

[33:28–Finale]

• Ongoing and Dropped Lawsuits:
  While Black settled with some accusers (including the US Virgin Islands for $62.5 million), others remain pending. Capucci interprets these high-dollar settlements as essentially financial escapes from accountability.

• Money, Connections, and System Manipulation:
  Capucci reiterates that for people like Black, “it all comes down to the almighty dollar.” The rich manipulate the justice system through high-powered legal teams, often recruiting insiders and former prosecutors as a strategic hedge against prosecution.

• Host’s Final Judgment:
  Capucci concludes that Black’s efforts to recast himself as a misunderstood innocent are unconvincing, asserting that real victims are Epstein’s countless female survivors, not the billionaires who enabled and funded his operations.

  “Do you want to see what a real victim looks like? Just take a look at the women who were abused in the hundreds, maybe thousands, by Epstein. You know what a victim doesn’t look like? Well, a victim doesn’t look like a billionaire named Leon Black.” [42:47]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Every time we get more information such as this, it’s just more icing on top of the cake…that Leon Black was just another client of Jeffrey Epstein, we know that’s a bunch of bs.” [02:15]
• “If you’re Leon Black and you’re a mover and a shaker, well, you got enough dough that you can have somebody sign an NDA and then you can abuse them and assault them…” [08:10]
• “That’s called money laundering, okay. Did he pay taxes on it? I highly doubt any taxes were paid whatsoever.” [09:06]
• “If you get this rich by not knowing where hundreds of millions go, and you can say that’s implausible. Oh, don’t worry. That’s exactly what we’re saying, Mr. Black.” [41:44]
• “You can’t jaywalk, but if you’re a prosecutor, you can quit your job and go and work for the person you were prosecuting. Can somebody please make any of that make sense?” [13:17]
• “I find the ethical issues here a little too much to stomach. And then the excuses on top of that. Oh, well, it’s not gonna affect this. I’m recused from that.” [21:30]

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Listener Takeaways

• The episode exposes further evidence of suspect financial dealings between Leon Black and Jeffrey Epstein, casting doubt on Black’s “tax advice” explanation.
• Hush payments to accusers and the use of mysterious trusts indicate sophisticated attempts to conceal impropriety.
• The revolving door between prosecutors and defense attorneys in high-profile sex abuse cases erodes public confidence and raises serious ethical concerns.
• Black’s media strategy is seen as “damage control,” employing both “whataboutism” and minimization tactics, which fail to convince the host.
• Real accountability, Capucci argues, remains elusive due to wealth and power, but the persistent scrutiny from independent media continues to peel back the layers.

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For those following the Epstein case or broader themes of elite impunity, this episode delivers a scathing, informed breakdown of the entrenched financial and legal connections still shielding the powerful.

Transcript

[Bobby Capuchino]

What's up everyone? And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. On today's episode, we're going to continue talking about Leon Black and his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Now we're learning that on top of the 158 million that he gave to Jeffrey Epstein for quote unquote tax advice, he also gave him another 10 million on top of that. And then after he gave him that 10 million, well, that same year, he also paid hush money to one of his accusers, Guzel Ganieva, that same month. So let's dive into this article from the Daily Mail and let's see what's going on. Leon Black gave Jeffrey Epstein's charity $10 million on top of the 158 million he paid for tax advice. In the same year rape accuser Kuzelganieva received hush money payments from an E trust. This article was authored by Jen Smith. Yet more financial ties between Leon Black and Jeffrey Epstein have been uncovered. On top of the $158 million he paid him for tax advice and 62 million he he gave the US Virgin island prosecutors to avoid being involved in litigation against the late pedophile's estate. So look, the whole entire narrative that Leon Black was just another client of Jeffrey Epstein, we know that's a bunch of bs and every time we get more information such as this, it's just more icing on top of the cake. A lengthy airmail investigation published this weekend also reveals that in 2015, Black donated $10 million to Gratitude America, a charity run by Jeffrey Epstein with the vague mission of supporting the expression of gratitude for the ideals of America, whatever that means. It's just like those idiots who wrap themselves in a flag and and then go around and talk about all kinds of unconstitutional bullshit. Stop it already. Okay? Gratitude America. The only thing Jeffrey Epstein was ever grateful for was that his buddies in powerful positions let him do what he was doing. Besides, that dude isn't grateful for. And get this, it was the only donation that the charity had received at the time, despite having existed for three years. So this quote unquote charity is in existence for over three years, but they never receive even one donation. And then out of the blue, there's a 10 million dollar donation from Leon Black. Only for us to find out that same month that Guzel Ganieva received a hush money payment. Yeah, nothing to see here, folks. Just another big gigantic coincidence, I guess. In the same month, Guzel Ganieva, a Russian model who was Black's mistress, received the first of what was supposed to be many $100,000 monthly payments to stay quiet about their relationship. So basically what he was doing was funneling this money to Jeffrey Epstein so that Epstein could take care of paying off all of his hush money payments. That's what it looks like now. He'll say it was about tax advice and this, that and the other thing. But does anyone really believe that any of you out there who have been following this case, do you truly believe that Leon Black was piecing off Epstein to the tune of, oh, I don't know, 170 million roughly, just for advice? Sounds a bit strange from one of the guys who is allegedly one of the biggest movers and shakers in the financial world. And we're talking about Leon Black here, but he's going outside of the company to get this advice from somebody like Epstein. How does that make sense to anybody? The money came from a mysterious E trust, whereas all of the other money she'd received from Black was from his bank account. In total, she was due to receive $20 million from Black as part of their deal. In exchange, she signed an NDA agreeing to never speak of their romance, which involved meetups at an Upper east side apartment across the street from where Black lives with his wife Debra and their children. So Leon Black was engaging in a relationship with Guzel Ganieva. That much is not even disputable. The problem here is Guzel Ganieva made some charges, some accusations against Leon Black, and those charges didn't stick. They got thrown out in court. Now, does that mean that Leon Black wasn't up to no good? No, it doesn't. And I think that anybody who's having somebody sign an NDA is probably up to no good. Why do you have somebody sign a non disclosure agreement over a relationship? Unless of course, you're trying to hide something. And that's exactly what Leon Black was trying to do. This dude had a wife, had a family, and not only did he have a wife and a family, but his wife was sick while he's out here creeping around with Guzell Ganieva. Ganieva was given extravagant cash gifts, a Steinway piano, and treated to expensive evenings out with Black. He had also agreed to help her obtain British legal status and was paying for her to go to College too. In 2021, after Epstein's death and the MeToo movement that took down Harvey Weinstein, who frequently transacted in NDAs with accusers, Donnie Eva went public with her rape and harassment allegations. And these NDAs were the lifeblood for people like Harvey Weinstein. They would have these girls sign these NDAs, and that would pretty much give them free reign to abuse them as much as they wanted to. And then if you went and told anybody, well, look, you were in a relationship with him, you guys had a financial agreement. So I don't even know what you're talking about. That's basically what they would try to say. And that's why people like Leon Black would enter into one of these NDAs. Do you think that you have the money to enter into an NDA with somebody? Furthermore, do you think the girl you met on Tinder is going to sign it? Of course not. But when you're Leon Black and, and you're a mover and a shaker, well, you got enough dough that you can have somebody sign an NDA and then you can abuse them and assault them and do whatever you want and then just refer back to that NDA if they ever out. You must be nice to have a bunch of dough. She first tweeted her claims, then after he accused her of lying, sued for defamation. In that lawsuit, she shared more details of the affairs. They had countless meals out in Manhattan where she said he showed no regard or concern for his wife becoming aware of his infidelity. Well, why would he care? When you have as much power as Leon Black, as much money as Leon Black, you could do whatever you want. Obviously, everything's for sale. Remember in WWE back in the day, there was a guy named the Million Dollar Man. Everything has its price. That's how Leon Black and his buddies in the financial sector feel about the whole world, including a price on your life. She also described the alleged sexual abuse, though many of her specific claims were redacted. She called Black a sadist whose sexual proclivities were abnormal. Black publicly admitting his affair with Ganieva, which he called foolish, but denied the rape allegations. The case was eventually dismissed. Ganieva's lawsuit is one of three to have been directed towards Black by a woman who says that he raped her. The other two, filed by Sherry Pearson in 2022 and a Jane Doe with Mosaic down syndrome who says he raped her when she was 16, are still being litigated. They both say the attacks happened at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion in 2016, a year after he gave Epstein's charity $10 million and Ganieva received the first of her hundred thousand dollar payments from the E Trust. Money was transferred back from Epstein to Black, according to airmail. And these sort of little innocuous transactions back and forth from Jeffrey Epstein to Leon Black. They might not look like anything, but in the grand scheme of things, if this was a RICO case, this would all be playing a part. And every last dollar that these idiots were trading would be part of the overall investigation. And you see why they didn't use rico. I know we talk about it a lot here, but it's worth repeating over

[Podcast Host 2]

and over and over again.

[Bobby Capuchino]

If they're using RICO on local drug dealers, why aren't they using RICO on Jeffrey Epstein's criminal enterprise? It was in the form of a donation from Epstein's Gratitude America charity to Black's melanoma research charity in the amount of $225,000. Because Black was the sole donor to Epstein's charity, he effectively donated funds to his own organization. Yeah, that's called money laundering. Okay. Did he pay taxes on it? I highly doubt any taxes were paid whatsoever. There is also reference to additional $5 million black is said to have donated to Gratitude America. But the only proof of it is in a letter of thanks from the charity, prompting questions of whether he did indeed pay the donation and crucially, if he claimed it as a tax deduction. Yes, that's where you should be looking. You want to take down people like this, there's one way to do it. Thank you. Follow the money. Because inevitably, all of these rich people are up to no good. All of them are cutting corners. They're all insider trading, all of that. You think you get this rich by being an honest and upstanding citizen. Caribbean prosecutors say Epstein's criminal enterprise hinged on money stored in Southern Trust Co. From 2013 to 2017, the total was 158 million, the same Black had given Epstein between 2012 and 2017. Black's ties with Epstein are being more closely scrutinized now in light of not just the lawsuit filed by Jane Doe, but also the $158 million he paid Epstein for tax advice. The Senate Finance Committee is investigating whether Black met his tax obligations through. Through the payments. Why Black, a titan of Wall street with his own firm, would seek such advice from Epstein, whose own financial credentials were far less impressive, remains a mystery to many. Well, finally, people are catching up. How long have I said this? We're talking about Bill Belichick here. Going to ask advice about football from a high school coach. That's the equivalency. So why is it happening? And wisely on Black asking somebody like Epstein to get involved in his financials? That's the real question people should be asking. Black's representatives have always maintained that the payments were legitimate, that he trusted Epstein foolishly, and that he was never involved in Epstein's sex trafficking of young girls. He has been given until September 1st to cooperate with the Senate Finance Committee investigation. Well, I'll reserve my judgment on this Senate investigation until we see more from them. But every other quote unquote Senate look at Jeffrey Epstein and his friends has been nothing more than perfunctory. And unfortunately, I don't have that high of hopes for this one either. All right, folks, that's gonna do it for this one. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.

[Podcast Host 3]

What's up everyone? And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.

[Bobby Capuchino]

I know there's not a lot of money in the world of a public

[Podcast Host 3]

defender or working as a prosecutor compared to what their buddies are making over in the private sector. But how is it, okay, that somebody who is prosecuting somebody one day can the next day be that person's lawyer? How is there no safeguards in place to stop that sort of thing from happening? And there obviously is nothing in place to stop it, considering we see it all the time. We saw it with Bruce Reinhart down in Palm beach as a prosecutor one day prosecuting Jeffrey Epstein, to the next day working as a lawyer for his co conspirators. And we see it again here in New York as the same thing's happening with Leon Black. You mean to tell me with all

[Bobby Capuchino]

the laws that these people cook up

[Podcast Host 3]

down in Washington D.C. there's no law against this? You can't jaywalk. But if you're a prosecutor, you can quit your job and go and work for the person you were prosecuting. Can somebody please make any of that make sense? Today's article is from the Daily News. Ex NYC prosecutor who investigated Leon Black's sex allegations hired by firm representing him against rape accuser. Yeah, Nothing to see here folks. Just keep it moving. This article was authored by Molly Crane Newman. A Manhattan prosecutor who investigated billionaire Leon Black has been hired by the law firm representing him against his rape accusers civil suit against him. I mean, look, even if this person goes and steps into their new position, right, and doesn't give them any information about this case, is anyone going to believe that? I mean, for real?

[Bobby Capuchino]

It's just like with Reinhart.

[Podcast Host 3]

Nobody buys that. At least nobody who's not biased. Anyway, mean to tell me this guy didn't walk into that office and have some intimate knowledge of what was going on? Okay, sure. And the same goes here for Joan Uluzi Orbins she's out here working to try and prosecute Leon Black and then all of a sudden ends up working for the law firm that he has hired.

[Bobby Capuchino]

Yep.

[Podcast Host 3]

Everything is on the up and up, folks. Joan Aluzi Orban's new job at high end boutique law firm Perigua enraged lawyers for Guzel Ganieva, who is suing Black in Manhattan Supreme Court for sexual assault and defamation. Well, I'd be pissed off if I was the lawyer, too. You're out here up against it as it is, dealing with one of the most rich, powerful people, not only in, in New York, but in the whole world. And now you want to stack the deck against me because you want to have an ex prosecutor working for you. And not just an ex prosecutor, but somebody who was working on this case. Now, if it was somebody that's, you know, in the Prosecutor's office, perhaps 50 steps away, never had any intimate knowledge of the case, okay, that's one thing. But stepping right out of your prosecutorial shoes and into your defense attorney shoes to a case that you were looking at, how is there no ethics situation here? That's an ethical move. Certainly doesn't look ethical to me. And Gazelle Ganieva's lawyers don't feel like it's ethical either. Ganieva's lawyers say Uluzi Orban, who left the Manhattan district's office in January, led an investigation into potential criminal charges against the former CEO of Apollo Global Management based on confidential information provided by her and another anonymous accuser. So you see where the lawyer's issue is here, right? You have somebody who has intimate knowledge of the workings of this case against Leon Black, so they have an idea on what's going on as far as the overall case, criminal perspective and civil. So you bring this person on board because you know that they have this intimate knowledge and you know that with your money, well. Well, you can manipulate a situation and

[Bobby Capuchino]

get whatever lawyer you want.

[Podcast Host 3]

If it's somebody who's on the prosecution,

[Podcast Host 2]

ah, that's all right.

[Podcast Host 3]

You got enough money to dangle in front of their face, they're going to get on board.

[Podcast Host 2]

And anyone who thinks that's not the

[Bobby Capuchino]

case, well, I don't know what to tell you. Just take a look at all of

[Podcast Host 3]

these ex prosecutors who are now defense attorneys.

[Bobby Capuchino]

And I don't knock them for that.

[Podcast Host 3]

That's a good move on their part, right? Take the experience you learned as a prosecutor and become a defense attorney. That's how it should work if you want to collect some dough. But to leave a case the way that Joan Aluzi or bonded and then to jump right into the, the same case basically, but on the other side of the street. That is not ethical in my opinion. And there needs to be some sort, sort of safeguards against things like that.

[Bobby Capuchino]

How would you feel if it was you?

[Podcast Host 3]

I wouldn't be very happy to know that an ex prosecutor who was working to take Leon Black down is, is now working on his team. Her attorney Jean Christensen asked a judge to force the firm to withdraw from the case. No survivor will feel safe disclosing their confidential information to government lawyers if they know that their confidence can be used to help defend the same man that they alleged sexually harmed them, said Christensen. Is she wrong? Like honestly is she wrong here? This is like a slap in the face of just the whole entire system itself.

[Bobby Capuchino]

And then you wonder why people are

[Podcast Host 3]

out here telling you that the game is rigged.

[Bobby Capuchino]

You want to talk about a two

[Podcast Host 3]

tier justice system, you're looking at it right here. It's absurd that something like this could even take place. A spokesman for Perigua described the characterization as reprehensible and said Uluzi Orban immediately recru. Recused herself from the case upon learning of it. Oh well, in that case I'm sure she's not having any conversations with her buddies. You know, there's no scuttlebutt going on around the water cooler. Mum's the word and all.

[Bobby Capuchino]

Uluzi Orban, a 33 year DA office

[Podcast Host 3]

veteran who prosecuted Harvey Weinstein in 2020, defended her ethics. She declined to comment on probing Black. Well, that's probably in her best interest. And while she might want to defend her ethics, here on the outside looking in, it doesn't look good at all. And it's just another black mark against the New York Prosecutor's office in general. You see, when I tell you that

[Bobby Capuchino]

I feel like there are a bunch

[Podcast Host 3]

of self serving people over there, that's

[Bobby Capuchino]

how I truly feel.

[Podcast Host 3]

And it's a shame because the SDNY

[Bobby Capuchino]

used to be the standard bearer for what justice was.

[Podcast Host 3]

We're talking about the office that went after the Mafia. We're talking about the office that has brought down some of the most powerful criminals in the whole world and they've devolved into this. So really they should be happy that people like me are calling them out so that they can get their together and get back to doing what they do best and that's, you know, capturing real criminals. Not only have I spent three decades of my life fighting for survivors But I have done nothing that isn't 100% proper. She told the Daily News, saying she plans to continue her advocacy in civil practice. Oh, well, in that case, everything's all good here.

[Bobby Capuchino]

The point is this. If you want to join this law

[Podcast Host 3]

firm, that's all fine and well, but you can't wait a minute until this case is over and done with, because all you're doing is making the optics of everything look even worse. And it just once again shows us that there's no safeguards in place when it comes to the people playing in the system.

[Bobby Capuchino]

Right?

[Podcast Host 3]

We're on the outside looking in, you and I. But if you're on the inside here, you're a prosecutor, you're a judge, forget it. The sky's the limit for how you can manipulate things to your benefit. I am working with the best people I know and I am very proud of it. Uluzi Orban added, there's nothing here. No, nothing to see at all. Just keep moving. How dare you question her ethics? She's worked in this this business for 30 years defending survivors. Until you weren't defending survivors.

[Bobby Capuchino]

It's all about securing that bag.

[Podcast Host 3]

And look, again, I'm not upset with people securing a bag. And if she was working for a law firm that was defending Keith Ray Neary or R. Kelly or whatever, fine, great, have at it and enjoy your newfound riches. But I find the ethical issues here a little too much to stomach. And then the excuses on top of that. Oh, well, it's not gonna affect this. I'm recused from that.

[Bobby Capuchino]

I mean.

[Podcast Host 3]

Ganieva's June 2021 lawsuit accuses Black, worth an estimated 9.3 billion of sub of subjecting her to non consensual sadistic sexual

[Bobby Capuchino]

acts that were physically painful throughout a

[Podcast Host 3]

seven year relationship built on coercive manipulation that started in 2008. Now, do I know for a fact that any of this happened? No, I do not.

[Bobby Capuchino]

But that's why we're going to have this trial, right?

[Podcast Host 3]

That's why we're having these proceedings. And having an ex prosecutor who was working on the case, now part of the defense, miraculously showing up. Well, that's an impediment, folks, okay? That makes things a lot more difficult and it makes it a lot more difficult to ascertain what really went on. Because remember, once again, they're not paying for these lawyers for what they do in the courtroom. They're paying for these lawyers for who

[Podcast Host 2]

they know and what they can manage

[Bobby Capuchino]

out on the golf course.

[Podcast Host 3]

If you get My drift. Black, who has not been criminally accused of wrongdoing, has described his relationship with Ganieva as a consensual extramarital affair and claims she's trying to extort him as part of a conspiracy. So he says that this is all about money and she's just a jaded ex lover. That's Leon Black's defense. She also claims Black once tried without success to make her sleep with disgraced financier pedophile Jeffrey Epstein. So you see why we talk about it, right?

[Podcast Host 2]

There's a lot of overlap here, obviously,

[Podcast Host 3]

Leon Black being the patron saint of Jeffrey Epstein.

[Podcast Host 2]

Leon.

[Podcast Host 3]

Ms. Ganieva saying that Leon Black tried to get her to sleep with Jeffrey Epstein. So there's a lot of overlap here. And then you add to it the. The sauce that Leon Black was one of Epstein's best boys. 158 million bucks. Well, better believe you're on the radar, sir. Black, who retired in 2021 as questions swirled about his friendship with Epstein, is appealing a judge's decision to toss his countersuit against Ganieva. The suit accused the Russian model of colluding with his business rivals to extort him. Well, that didn't work out so well. And the judge tossed his said, look, you're. This isn't based in reality, okay? And I'm not going to let you bully people. A representative for the powerful Investment Investment

[Podcast Host 2]

Manager said he had not heard from

[Podcast Host 3]

the DA's office in 18 months and claims prosecutors are are probing his extortion claims against Ganeva.

[Bobby Capuchino]

They probably are. Look, they're probably looking at every angle

[Podcast Host 3]

of the case, right? If they're smart and they're doing their job correctly, that's what they should be doing. The Manhattan's DA's office, which has been called out for going easy on high profile men accused of sexual assault, will not comment or confirm whether it's investigating Black or Ganieva. Spokeswoman Emily Tuttle said the office takes its confidentiality mandate extremely seriously, and survivors should view it as a safe place to report crime. Well, okay, whatever.

[Podcast Host 2]

But the fact still remains that you

[Podcast Host 3]

have ex prosecutors who think it's a good idea to hop ship and work on the very cases that they were prosecuting.

[Podcast Host 2]

So I don't know how anyone can

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think that's okay, or how anyone can be okay with that sort of nonsense, because when I look at it, all I see is more corruption. All I see is more nepotism. And all I see is another group of rich and powerful people manipulating the system and Harnessing their great power and wealth to get things to fall their way while the rest of us are out here, you know, begging and scraping for even a halfway competent chance in the legal system, Right? But Leon Black, while he's being prosecuted, or looked at for prosecution, I should say, can go and recruit a prosecutor, get him to jump ship, or get her to jump ship, excuse me, and come on board to defend them. And we all know what it is. It's all comes down to the almighty dollar. But for me, I don't find this, this to be ethically decent. And I think that the, the Ms. Orban here should have nothing to do with this case. Now, she says she's recused and that's what the law office says. But her meaning, Ms. Ganeva, her lawyers are not happy about any of it.

[Bobby Capuchino]

So we're going to have to see

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how this all breaks down. But in my home humble opinion, this is certainly an unethical move and the kind of move that needs to be looked at.

[Bobby Capuchino]

If you'd like to contact me, you

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can do that@bobby capuchirotonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A P U c c [e-mail] you can also find me on Twitter. B O B B Y underscore cap use cci. The link that I discussed can be found in the description box.

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What's up everyone? And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Whenever you're talking about Jeffrey Epstein's buddies, there's one man that you most certainly have to add to the conversation, and that person is Leon Black. Well, now Leon Black has opened up about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein in an interview with Puck. And honestly, everything he says in the interview pretty much just makes me roll my eyes. I don't believe for a second that a man like Leon Black had no idea why 160 million was being spent with Epstein. I just don't believe it. Do you think guys like this get rich by misplacing $100 million?

[Bobby Capuchino]

Plus?

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The answer is no. And anyone believing this guy's BS, well, I don't know what to tell you. Today's article is from the Daily Beast and the Leon Black finally opens up about his pal Jeffrey Epstein. This article was authored by Kate Bricklett. Billionaire Leon Black is speaking out about his ties to Jeffrey Epstein for the first time since resigning from his private equity firm, claiming the famous men in the sex traffickers circle likely didn't know that Jeffrey Epstein was a pedophile. I mean, you know that first arrest that wouldn't have tipped you off or anything, considering there was a bunch of little girls that were brought to his house. But nah, just keep on keeping on with your dumbass narrative. And to be clear, Leon Black kept a relationship with Epstein even after the first arrest, so don't tell me you didn't know. Save that shit for somebody else. The ex Apollo CEO whose relationship with Epstein tarnished his name and led to lawsuits accusing him of sexual abuse exclusively, sat down with Puck's William Cohen to defend his reputation amid continued scrutiny over his relationship with the late sex offender. Cohen wrote that the 72 year old mogul grabbed a piece of paper from his suit jacket in the middle of their lunch with his PR team and scribbled a bunch of names of people who also hung out with Epstein at one time or another. Blacklisted former presidents Clinton and Trump billionaires Mort Zuckerman, Reid Hoffman, and Tom Pritzker, as well as Epstein's old JP Morgan buddy Jeff Staley and academic Noam Chomsky.

[Bobby Capuchino]

So what does that mean?

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You're just outing all your buddies as fellow travelers, bro? That's not the flex you think it is. Especially considering what we know about a

[Bobby Capuchino]

lot of those people.

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Anyone who's out here talking about Bill Clinton like he's a good guy should get slapped directly in the chops. And the fact that the Democratic Party's trotting this dude out like it's a good idea is gonna be met with extreme prejudice. I promise you that. And what's the deal with the Biden administration bringing aboard Epstein's homies? We had Bill Richardson involved in the Brittney Griner negotiations. We have the current head of the CIA who was having lunch with Jeffrey Epstein. Now you're bringing back Bill Clinton. Yeah, that's a good look. And the sad part is there's people on the left that are going to defend that. Oh, Bill Clinton's a great guy. He was never. Man, shut up. That line of thinking is DOA around these parts. I'm not in any way, shape or form defending Jeffrey. Black, who knew Epstein since the mid-1990s, told Cohen, I'm defending me. I don't believe any of these guys knew that Jeffrey was a pedophile. I certainly didn't. So let me bring up all these other people. Let me name drop, and then I'll engage in some what about ism? So you don't know one way or the other what they knew or what they didn't know. I thought he was a fascinating guy. So, yeah, I spent time with him. I'd go up, have lunch or breakfast with him because I live two blocks from him. And we would talk about tax and estate planning and financial things. I'm sure that's all you guys ever talked about. I'm sure you guys never talked about anything else while you were hanging out. It was all on the up and up, and it all had to do with tax and estate planning. Never had to do with women.

[Bobby Capuchino]

Right?

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Ever. Black added that he dined at Epstein's New York mansion with others, including director Woody Allen, TV host Dick Cavett, and Trump's far right strategist Steve Bannon. Does he think he's dunking on somebody with that? Steve Bannon's another undesirable, another person who was in Jeffrey Epstein's orbit. You see, here's the difference between me and and the rest of these clowns who profess that they care about justice. Everybody who was involved. I don't care about the letter next to your name. You need to be held to account. And that goes for all of the faves that all these people love to protect. You know, the same people who are calling for accountability when it was Alex Acosta. All those people have slithered back into their holes. Or maybe they're just too busy worrying about Gaza. Everybody looks at it through the lens of this is public enemy number one for being a pedophile. He was smart, and I thought that he performed services for a bunch of his associates. Yes. And he was a bit offbeat in counterculture and eccentric. Yes. Black continued. Is this guy really out here saying this? So in essence, his defense of his relationship with Epstein is everybody else was doing it.

[Bobby Capuchino]

Okay, great.

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Good for you, Leon Black. So that makes you as big of a scumbag as everybody else. As the Daily Beast reported, Black stepped down from Apollo not long after the company enlisted a law firm to independently investigate his relationship with Epstein in 2020. As stories about Epstein's sex trafficking scheme and his accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell, continue to make headlines in the wake of Epstein's 2019 arrest and jailhouse death, Black fended off questions from the media and investors about his entanglements with him. The Apollo probe, which Black now claims he requested, the found that Black paid Epstein $158 million between 2012 and 2017 for estate and tax planning advice and portrayed a relationship much deeper than Black had publicly described. Yeah, it's no big deal. Everybody's off base here. Everybody's accusing Leon Black, Mr. Billionaire, the victim, and I can't help Crying into my top ramen with laughter every time one of these billionaires tries to set themselves up. And as some kind of victim. I mean, for real, for real. Bro's never worked a real day in his life. Busy sending his goons to harass his accusers. And he's gonna sit here and tell us that, well, he just didn't know anything about Epstein and he just got roped into it. Who's buying that nonsense? The billionaire art collector has denied any wrongdoing in connection with Epstein and the allegations that he sexually abused women at Epstein's lair. That. Now, as far as those allegations of abuse, I don't know. I've said that from the beginning. But the other stuff, enabling, hanging out with Epstein, helping Epstein's image, all of that, all of that shit's true. There's not even a debate. There's no allegedly.

[Bobby Capuchino]

That's what was happening.

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Still, Black's friendship with Epstein has continued to cost him. While he and one of his accusers, Sherry Pearson, decided to drop their litigation in February, another woman's suit alleging that he raped her when she was 16 is pending. In January 2023, Black paid the government of the U.S. virgin Islands $62.5 million in cash to be released from any claims tied to its investigation into Epstein. And the fact that the USVI would accept that bag to let this dude off the hook tells you everything you need to know about the USVI and how serious they are or. Or not about justice. How long have I told you folks that? Remember all the people out there talking about how Denise George is some hero and the rest of it? Well, guess what? They were wrong. The settlement, according to the Times, stated that it should not be interpreted as an admission of liability. So what was it? A shakedown? Extortion? If you're not liable, then why are you paying out $62.5 million? One of Epstein's victims settlement with the financier's estate included a carve out provision allowing her to pursue claims against Staley and Black. Cohen asked what went through Black's mind after Epstein's 2006 arrest for soliciting a prostitute, which preceded a federal sex trafficking probe into Epstein's abuse of minors and a sweetheart deal and the U.S. attorney's office in Miami that led to a cushy jail sentence. Black replied that he believed Epstein when he got caught up with a 17 year old prostitute who. Who lied about her age and didn't view it as the end of the world. Well, that tells me everything I need to Know about Leon Black and why is Jeffrey Epstein out here picking up prostitutes, allegedly off the street? Dude has more money than God. Bring in an escort, bring in somebody who does it for a living. You are out here trolling looking for little girls, bro. Just be honest about what you are. And Leon Black over here, still trying to defend his friend Jeffrey Epstein, not doing himself any favors. I took it seriously, Black said, but I didn't take it that seriously. I mean, he was with a 17 year old prostitute, got prosecuted for it and got put away for a year, the billionaire added. And you know, according to him, even that person had shown an ID that she wasn't underage. My feeling is there are serious things and there are things that are less serious. I didn't think this was the end of the world, Frankly. So a 17 year old girl who is underage, under the age of consent in Florida, by the way, and Epstein's having relations with her is no big deal to Leon Black. Chances are Leon Black is the same kind of sick fuck, in my opinion. Now run home and tell that. And remember, we're not talking about a 19 year old and a 17 year old. We're not talking about a 20 year old and a 17 year old, you know, people who are in high school together.

[Bobby Capuchino]

We're talking about old ass, gross ass,

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crypt keeper looking dudes who are all fellow travelers in my opinion. Black insisted that he stayed close with other wealthy people who went to jail. Lifestyle guru Martha Stewart financier Michael Milken and South Bees owner Alfred Taubman. We're still friends, they all went to jail. I didn't think being with a 17 year old prostitute who said that she had proof she was over 17 would was that big of a deal. Well, if any of that was true,

[Bobby Capuchino]

don't you think that that would have

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came up in court and your boy would have gotten off? Nobody showed any ID. In fact, if she would have showed an ID that said she's 17, chances are old boy would have tried and find a younger girl. And as far as being friends with people who have been to jail, there's a big difference in being friends with somebody who went to jail for whatever charge and then somebody who's accused of molesting little girls. Because let's not try and reinvent history here. Even back during this time period that Leon Black's talking about, these rumors were there, these allegations were there. And Leon Black making pretend that none of that's true is him trying to rewrite history. And his bitch ass isn't gonna get away with that. At least not here on this podcast. Black said that he first met Epstein in 1996 through Wall street polymath Elliot Skip Stein Jr. And learned he was a Rockefeller University appointee, member of the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission, and hung out with a host of high powered people, including Israeli politician Ehud Barak. Now, none of that is the flex that you think it is. Once again, being a member of the cfr, well, that automatically elevates you to scumbaggery if you're asking me. And the Trilateral Commission, really, we're going to go there. Oh, but you know, he hung out with Ehud Barack, so everything's all gully, really. Ehud Barack's another scumbag. So in my opinion, Leon Black is doing himself no favors. In this interview, Epstein would earn a spot on Black's family foundation and help him avoid tax liabilities, AKA avoid taxes like all rich people do. Meaning stash your money, buy art, and put it in places where the government can't touch it. Meanwhile, all of you better have all of your taxes paid up by April 15. Black called Epstein an intriguing figure who was almost like a James Bond villain because all his staff were good looking women. Not underage, Black added, but good looking. How do you know? Did you ID all of them? Did you take a look at Virginia's id? How about Haley Robson's? How about all of the unnamed girls we never heard about? Did you look at their IDs, you dumb moron? The billionaire noted that he once flew on Epstein's jet to Boston with two of his children to visit Harvard and mit, and that his pilot was a beautiful girl with blonde hair down to her waist in a black turtleneck. One alleged co conspirator of Epstein, who after Epstein's 2019 arrest came forward as a victim, was a trained pilot. It's unclear if she's the individual, but Black met. Yeah, chances are it's Nadia Marcincenko who he's talking about here. And that's a whole different story for another time. Nadia is one of the most tragic situations that we run across in Epstein's whole entire sordid bitch ass life. At turns in the interview, Black seemed to paint himself as a victim, as news outlets, including the New York Times, ferreted out his payments to Epstein. But Black asked the Apollo Board to hire an outside law firm to review his ties to the trafficker. I'm the only one who asked for the investigation to be done. What a schmuck of my relationship With Epstein. Black told Cohen, I asked for it because I knew I had done nothing wrong. God damn. The revisionist history is too much. You've done nothing wrong.

[Bobby Capuchino]

OK, sit for a deposition.

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The January 2021 report from Deckard LLP is stated that it uncovered no evidence that Black or any employee of the family office or Apollo was involved in any way with Epstein's criminal activities at any time. There is no evidence that Epstein ever introduced Black or offered to introduce Black to any underage women. I don't buy it.

[Bobby Capuchino]

Sorry.

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I do not buy that.

[Bobby Capuchino]

Kay.

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Now, I'm not saying Black engaged in any relations, but if he was around Epstein this much, that whole entire storyline is out the window. Deckard also noted that in early 2017, Black made two loans to Epstein totaling 30.5 million in connection with an art transaction involving Epstein. Epstein would repay only 10 million despite Black's repeated demands for reimbursement. Stop it, K. Just like with Les Wexner. Stop it. That money that you say he stole or you didn't get reimbursed for, that was his fee to stash your money offshore. Do you think we're stupid? Well, maybe some people are, but here on this podcast. You're not going to be able to outhustle me, bro. You are not going to outhustle a hustler, okay? Save that bullshit. You're pitching for one of these jerk offs from fancy lad school. Black even told Cohen that before Apollo's investigation, he never kept track of how much money he was paying the convicted pervert. He had credibility in my eyes, and we did a bunch of things, but the paying of Epstein was never tallied. And frankly, that number that came out was much bigger than I had thought, because I don't follow in my family office, everything Black claimed. Yeah, you get this rich by not knowing where hundreds of millions go, and you can say that's implausible. Oh, don't worry. That's exactly what we're saying, Mr. Black. How is this possible? That this financial genius could throw away these amounts of money? There must be something more there. Yes.

[Bobby Capuchino]

Yeah, I get it.

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But there isn't. So you're not as smart as you told us you were. Is that what you're saying? You're not one of the smartest men in the room. Because for all these years, all we heard about was how great Leon Black is and what a financial genius he is.

[Bobby Capuchino]

And in fact, what you are is just a gigantic jackass.

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Black's bond with Epstein, Cohen writes, wasn't enough to end his relationship with Apollo. Instead, the falling out arrived after Guzel Ganieva, a Russian former model he dated, filed a lawsuit accusing him of rape and sexual violence. In turn, Black accused her of extortion, saying he paid her millions during and after their affair. The world is an ugly place, black told Cohen. And it's a beautiful place. Okay, it's both. Well, why did you cheat on your wife who was sick in the first place? You would have never found yourself in the situation you did with Guzel Ganieva. And if you would have just kept your dick in your pants. But no, you can't even do that right. No honor amongst these people. There isn't one shred of honor to be found amongst the billionaire class. And I'm convinced of that. This has been a terrible experience for the last two and a half years, Black added. I mean, to have spent 40 years building up a stellar reputation and then believing in excellence, and everything that I've done is about excellence. And then to have it torn apart based on lies, fabrication. MeToo woke. And I'm a huge believer in women's causes. It's surreal. Oh yeah, you're such a big believer. And the funniest part is none of that has anything to do with what happened. You know what the whole entire problem is here. Now try and stick with me. It's very complicated. The fact that Leon Black was hanging out with a child molester. That's your problem, sir. None of the other stuff. Not that you got called out on it. Not that you lost your job. Not that. Not that people were being mean to you. The fact that you were not only hanging out with a child molester, but you were enabling him. So you want victimhood, my friend? Do you want to see what a real victim looks like? Just take a look at the women who were abused in the hundreds, maybe thousands, by Epstein. You know what a victim doesn't look like? Well, a victim doesn't look like a billionaire named Leon Black. Alright folks, that's going to do it for this one. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.