Mega Edition: The Competing Narratives Surrounding Epstein's Jail House "Incident" (6/10/26)

Summary

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The Epstein Chronicles — Mega Edition: The Competing Narratives Surrounding Epstein's Jail House "Incident" (6/10/26)

Host: Bobby Capucci
Date: June 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode takes a deep dive into the competing narratives about the events leading up to and surrounding Jeffrey Epstein’s death in jail, with a particular focus on the "incident" involving his cellmate, ex-cop Nicholas Tartaglioni. Host Bobby Capucci pulls no punches, questioning the official accounts, dissecting inconsistencies, and amplifying the voices of those who cast doubt on the narrative advanced by authorities — especially Epstein’s attorney, David Schoen, and forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden.

The episode challenges listeners to critically review the circumstances that enabled Epstein's death, the lack of accountability within the prison system, and the persistent absence of clear answers.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Questioning the Official Narrative (00:33–13:29)

• Skepticism of Epstein's "Suicide":
  Capucci opens by casting doubt on the idea that Jeffrey Epstein simply killed himself, framing the "perfect storm" of coincidences as suspicious.

  “Do you really believe that all of these things just happened to occur all at the time that Jeffrey Epstein was going to die... Just a perfect storm happened to arrive right over Jeffrey Epstein, huh?”
  — Bobby Capucci (00:48)

• Federal Accountability and Corruption: Capucci rails against the lack of accountability for MCC staff, comparing federal job security to the way problematic priests are shuffled around. He argues the prison system failed spectacularly by placing Epstein with a violent, high-profile inmate like Nicholas Tartaglioni.

  “If you're bad at your job, you usually lose it. Unless, of course, you work for the federal government. Then it's okay.”
  — Bobby Capucci (02:47)

  “There should be no place and no time where somebody like Jeffrey Epstein is sharing the cell with somebody like Nicholas Tartaglioni.”
  — Bobby Capucci (04:16)

• Prison Politics & Dangers: He stresses the risks to high-profile and sex crime inmates in prison, especially from those like Tartaglioni (an ex-cop facing multiple homicide charges), arguing the situation was either gross negligence or intentional.

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2. Nicholas Tartaglioni’s Role and Suspicious Decisions (13:29–15:41, 38:46–39:32)

• Capucci scrutinizes the placement of Tartaglioni in Epstein’s cell, calling the decision "disgusting" and never sufficiently explained by authorities.

  “The whole Tartaglioni situation, the whole entire Tartaglioni being in a jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein just smacks of something very, very, very disgusting.”
  — Bobby Capucci (12:39)

• Tartaglioni’s presence raises questions about whether he was meant to intimidate or harm Epstein, with Capucci positing that this was either a failed bureaucratic decision or something more sinister.

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3. David Schoen’s Testimony & Legal Strategy (13:29–32:17, 54:22–59:56)

• Epstein Was Not Suicidal (According to His Lawyer):
  David Schoen, Epstein’s attorney, is a pivotal voice in the episode. Schoen met Epstein nine days before his death and describes him as "upbeat and excited" about mounting a defense.

  “Epstein was not suicidal… He was ready to fight this case. They had a whole strategy mapped out."
  — Bobby Capucci (14:06, summarizing Schoen)

  “During a five hour meeting with Epstein nine days before his death, Shown said Epstein was upbeat and excited and looking forward to clear his name.”
  — Bobby Capucci (17:30)

• Fear of Tartaglioni:
  Schoen claims Epstein was deeply fearful of Tartaglioni, and this fear was never meaningfully addressed.

  “According to him, Epstein was scared of Tartaglioni.”
  — Bobby Capucci (16:16)

  “He told David Schoen that he was terrified of Nicholas Tartaglioni. Yet the MCC cleared Nicholas Tartaglioni right away after the attack and really didn’t even investigate what went down.”
  — Podcast Host (54:03)

• Refuting the Suicide Narrative:
  Schoen states that Epstein claimed he was roughed up, not suicidal, during the first alleged attempt. Schoen further says Maxwell was never discussed, and Epstein was focused on fighting the charges.

  “I discussed it with him. It was not in any way an attempted suicide. But he told the staff he couldn’t remember what happened because he was afraid.”
  — David Schoen, relayed by Capucci (58:17)

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4. Broken Cameras, Missing Tapes, and Official Obfuscation (21:27–22:31, 45:13–49:52)

• Capucci hammers the point that critical video footage is "just gone" from both Epstein’s first incident and the backup system. He asks how often this happens and why the official response is to stonewall.

  “How is it that the tape itself and then the backup are both gone?... That sounds pretty suspect. Doesn’t sound like a conspiracy theory.”
  — Bobby Capucci (45:46)

• The lack of transparency and "ongoing investigations" is seen as an excuse to avoid divulging information — a pattern that breeds understandable public distrust.

  “It has never been definitively explained what the Bureau of Prisons concluded about the incident.”
  — Judge Richard Berman, cited by Capucci (49:51)

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5. Press, Conspiracy Theories, and Accountability (20:10–22:31, 26:30–27:53)

• Capucci criticizes legacy media for dismissing doubts about Epstein’s death as "conspiracy theories" when real, publicly documented failures and questions remain unanswered.

  “Is it really a conspiracy theory if there’s a slew of issues and you have questions? Why would you frame that as being a conspiracy theory unless you’re trying to keep the truth from coming out?”
  — Bobby Capucci (20:13)

• He commends listeners and survivor advocates for continuing to press for justice and refusing to be silenced or dismissed.

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6. Dr. Michael Baden’s Forensic Opinion (32:17–37:42, 59:56–62:00)

• Forensic pathologist Dr. Michael Baden, hired by Epstein’s legal team, concluded the injuries were not consistent with suicide by hanging and called the death a homicide.

  “Baden was brought on board and concluded Epstein’s injuries were not consistent with suicide by hanging, as the NYC medical examiner said. Instead, Baden believes the broken neck…suggests he had been killed.”
  — Bobby Capucci (34:01)

  “In all of the thousands of autopsies he has done, he has never seen injuries like this consistent with suicide.”
  — David Schoen, quoted by Capucci (61:15)

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7. Systemic Failures & Unanswered Questions (39:32–40:44, 48:43–51:05, 62:01–end)

• Capucci repeatedly asks why Epstein wasn’t housed alone and under 24/7 surveillance, especially given later precautions for Ghislaine Maxwell.

• He’s relentless in pressing for answers on how Tartaglioni was approved as Epstein’s cellmate, why key surveillance and evidence is missing, and why the justice department remains silent.

  “Should Tartaglioni have been in a jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein? Or should Jeffrey Epstein have been put in a cell by himself, safeguarded under 24/7 surveillance like Maxwell is being? And ask yourselves why the hell that didn’t occur…”
  — Bobby Capucci (39:32)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Institutional Accountability:
  “All of these bureaucracies are trash in my opinion. Be it the prison system, the federal government, your local church, whatever it is, all of these bureaucracies are corrupt.”
  — Bobby Capucci (03:48)

• On Missing Surveillance Footage:
  “Then all of a sudden, the tape is gone. It just disappears. And the backup was deleted as well. Now, where I'm from, that sounds pretty suspect.”
  — Bobby Capucci (45:52)

• On Dr. Baden’s Credentials:
  “Meanwhile, this dude had a show on HBO for a thousand years... Then all of a sudden, Epstein shows up, and now he's a quack.”
  — Bobby Capucci (34:01)

• On Public Advocacy:
  “You people are the all-stars. Me and the rest of the content creators, we just happen to have some big mouths... This is a team effort as far as I see.”
  — Bobby Capucci (26:30)

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Important Timestamps & Segments

• 00:33–04:16: Opening skepticism on "suicide" narrative; prison system failures.
• 13:29–15:41: Introduction of David Schoen’s perspective and legal strategy.
• 17:30–20:13: Details of Epstein’s defense planning and outlook per Schoen.
• 32:17–37:42: Discussion of Dr. Michael Baden’s autopsy findings and expert disagreement.
• 45:46–49:52: Examination of missing surveillance footage and doubts raised by lack of evidence.
• 54:03–59:56: Review of Schoen’s statements and further critique of suicide/attack narrative.

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Closing Remarks

Capucci ends by emphasizing the importance of continued inquiry, public skepticism, and government accountability:

“We all deserve to know some answers here. And until the federal government and the Department of Justice and the Bureau of Prisons comes correct, we're gonna be here asking the same questions over and over again.”
— Bobby Capucci (39:32)

He reiterates his commitment — and that of his audience — to continue pressing for transparency and answers in the Epstein case, and encourages listeners to keep questioning and refusing the easy explanations offered by officials and media.

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Follow-Up

Contact Bobby Capucci:
Email: [e-mail]
Twitter: @Bobby_Capucci

All referenced sources and articles are available in the episode’s online description box.

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Transcript

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[Podcast Host]

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[Bobby Capucci]

A lot about how did Jeffrey Epstein die? Did he kill himself? Was he murdered? What the hell happened in that jail cell? Unfortunately, we don't know, and that is just the truth of the matter. Anybody who says they know for sure what occurred in that jail cell the night Jeffrey Epstein died is BSing with you. Unless, of course, they were there and we don't know who was there, right? We don't know anything about that night. Oh, sure, we have the official narrative. We have the official story given to us by the federal government and the Department of Corrections and all of their surrogates. But the question is, do you believe that? Do you really believe that all of these things just happened to occur all at the time that Jeffrey Epstein was going to die or leading up to his death? Just a perfect storm happened to arrive right over Jeffrey Epstein, huh? Right when they were about to put the screws to him. Yeah, it's just a coincidence. I mean, it's obvious what happened here. He just killed himself. Anyone asking any other questions is just a conspiracy theorist. Jeez. Meanwhile, back in reality, anybody with any sense in their head is asking the question, what the fuck happened in that jail cell. Leading up to Jeffrey Epstein's death? There was another incident in a jail cell with Nicholas Tartaglioni, an ex cop who was under suspicion for four homicides. That's the guy they put into the cell with Jeffrey Epstein. Of all of the hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of other inmates that could have been in the cell with Jeffrey Epstein, they put Nicholas Dartaglione, who's facing a life sentence, who is so bout it bout it that he killed a cartel operator, Martin Luna, allegedly. And you think that's the right guy to put in a cell with Jeffrey Epstein? Who made that decision? Are they still working for the prison system? Why shouldn't that person be fired? Isn't that a terrible, terrible display of your ability to do your job right up front for Everybody to see. You know, if you're bad at your job, you usually lose it. Unless, of course, you work for the federal government. Then it's okay. It's like being a priest, right? When you work for the federal government, you could do whatever the fuck you want. They'll just shuffle you around just like these nasty ass, gross ass, disgusting ass priests. All of these bureaucracies are trash in my opinion. Be it the, the prison system, the federal government, your local church, whatever it is, all of these bureaucracies are corrupt. And the fact that the people who were at MCC running the whole entire shindig, running the whole entire shit show still have jobs is just mind boggling to me. But I guess, you know, there, there's no expected accountability by those who hold these positions. I guess it's just we should just not expect them to do the right thing to just. It should. We should expect it to be a shit show is basically what they're telling us. When in reality we pump hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars into this shit as taxpayers and we get no return on our investment. Shit return on our investment. There should be no place and no time where somebody like Jeffrey Epstein sharing the cell with. With somebody like Nicholas Tartaglioni. Why didn't you put Tartaglione in the cell with El Chapo? Why is he in there with Jeffrey Epstein? People like Epstein are the number one target on prison yards to. Tartaglione's facing four life sentences, perhaps the death penalty. And you think he has any regard for Jeffrey Epstein's welfare? What? I mean, it takes a whole lot of suspending your sensibilities to believe it's a good idea to put Tartaglioni in a jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein. Now look, even if he didn't do it right, even if he didn't assault Jeffrey Epstein the first go around when they were cellmates, the decision alone to put him in there and have the chance for it to happen is enough to fire people. This isn't a game. What do you think this is? Some sort of gladiatorial combat? I'm gonna put inmates in with each other and see what happens. Some sort of sociology experiment. Even the worst of the worst amongst us needs to be safeguarded when they're in prison so they could see trial. Now after trial, on the other hand, hey, it's a dog eat dog world in prison, folks. I've told you a hundred million times, you don't want to deal with going to prison. You don't want to deal with these sick fucking people that are in there. Don't break the law. Don't be an asshole. And these people, especially these rich people that break the law, then cry all of these crocodile tears that they're going to jail, that they're going to prison. I have no sympathy for you. Your commissary is going to be full, your books are going to be full. You're going to have a nice spread inside of your cell. What about the rest of the people that are in prison, the normal folk like us? Those are the people I'm concerned with in prison, folks. Those are the people who I want to see shit change for people like Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein that cry about their prison terms. I don't. Honestly, I don't even care because I don't even feel like people like that can be rehabilitated. So if you're in prison serving a sentence on something that's non. Non. Something that can't be rehabilitated. Right. Non Fixable, then fuck, I don't have any empathy for you at all. Hurting children, hurting women, you know, multiple violence, you know, murdering people. Fuck that. Sorry, bro, you're screwed. I don't. I don't know what to tell you, but even those people, even their conditions in prison have to be up to a standard that is passable for living conditions. I'm not into the. The torture facilities that some of these places are, folks. That's really what they are, at least mentally, and I'm not into that shit at all. I think that there needs to be prison reform. I'm very firm about that, and I'm willing to go to the nines about it, in fact, because when we send people to prison for, you know, things that they have done, mistakes that they have made, DUIs, you know, blue collar crime, whatever it might be, there needs to be rehabilitation for these people. Get a college degree, learn a skill, something, so that when they get released back into society, they can be functioning members of that society. And once you have paid your debt to society, I also believe that your right to vote should be reinstated. But when it comes to people like Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell and they're crying about their conditions in prison, it's just laughable because I look around and I see people that I know, people that I talk to on a regular basis who have done bids, you know, serious bids to 8, 10, 12 years, some of these people, and they tell me the horror stories about prison and how it is exactly like you hear about on these Yards. Well, here on the west coast, anyway, if you're in prison for a crime against a woman, if you're in prison for a crime against a child, you're fucked, bro. You are not walking the main line. You're not going to be gp. You're going to have to. You're going to have to protect up. You're going to have to go and talk to the screws, and you're going to have to get moved to protective custody because you're not going to make it on the line. So why would they think that Epstein should be in a jail cell with somebody who's staring at four life bids? Who's gonna be on the line, who's gonna walk the yard? And when he shows up on the yard. Now, if Tartaglione did this, you know, the first assault, because he obviously didn't kill him the second. Well, I shouldn't even say obviously. We don't know, right? We don't know, but more than likely had nothing to do with his death. But he probably assaulted him that first time. That's my working assumption. Why would you put that dude in a cell with Jeffrey Epstein? That is the question that is not being asked enough. And that's the question that the federal government's going to have to answer. Because people who know about this shit, people who understand about. Understand what goes on in the prison system. And believe me, I only understand a little bit, right? I've never been through it. I've never been to prison. I don't know the first fucking thing. I've never even. You know what? I've never even been in handcuffs, to be honest with you. So I don't. That's. That's a world that I don't know about personally. That's a world I only know about from very good friends of mine who have not been so lucky. But when you hit the yard on the west coast, somebody like Epstein, somebody like Maxwell, the party's over for you. If you're in gp. And somebody like Tartaglioni, on the other hand, he. He can earn some stripes, right? He might be a cop, but at the same time, he can earn some stripes with the other shot callers on the yard by assaulting a chomo. Pretty much the only thing below an ex cop in prison is a chomo. And Tartaglioni, thankfully for him, he's gonna end up doing his bit on the east coast, probably, and not on the west coast, where there are a lot more Mexican inmates. And considering that he clipped Diego, I mean, Martin Luna, who was an operative for the cartel, he'd be in for a bad stay out west. Now, on the east coast, things are gonna be a little bit different. There's gonna be a different structure in prison. I'm not too sure. I really don't have any friends even who did significant time in a New York state prison, so I'm not too positive. But I'm sure it's not gonna be a fun run for an ex cop. But that said, at least he's not gonna have to deal with La Eme on the yard, right? Because I'm sure whatever cartel that Luna was operating for, probably Sinaloa, considering where he was located. But I'm sure that that cartel is gonna greenlight Tartaglioni this week at Safeway and Albertsons.

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[Bobby Capucci]

Unless on the flip side, the there's a lot we don't know, right? But this is something that could could occur. Maybe Tartaglioni was doing that work for the cartel. Maybe he was clipping Luna for the cartel. Again, we don't know. The government's very tight lipped in this case. But when it comes to Tartaglioni, it comes to his court case. I am watching it very, very closely now. Almost as closely as I'm watching the Epstein case. I don't know what it is, folks, but something here stinks real bad for me. I. And I can't get the smell out of my nose. The whole Tartaglioni situation, the whole entire Tartaglioni being in a jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein just smacks of something very, very, very disgusting.

[David Schoen]

So what we're gonna do today is

[Bobby Capucci]

we're gonna jump into an article about Tartaglioni and we're gonna talk. Not talk to personally, but hear from a lawyer, Doug Schoen, who spoke with Jeffrey Epstein right before Jeffrey Epstein died. And according to Doug Schoen, they had a whole strategy worked out. They were ready to go to the nines and go to the mattresses and try and win this Case, Doug Schoen says that Jeffrey Epstein was not suicidal, that Jeffrey Epstein was in good spirits, and that Jeffrey Epstein was ready to fight this case.

[David Schoen]

And I just have a hard time

[Bobby Capucci]

believing that a narcissist like Jeffrey Epstein would kill himself before even having a fight.

[Podcast Host]

Now again, I might be wrong.

[Bobby Capucci]

Maybe he did kill himself. Maybe he hung himself from that bed like everybody in the federal government says he did. But I don't know about you, but personally, I have a hard time believing the federal government about anything at this point. And I don't say that to be edgy or to be cool or anything like that. These are just the facts. The federal government has a long proven track record of BSing us, the populace. And while some people might be acceptant to that, might just sit back and say, ah, you know, that's the way it is, not me. I have questions for fucking everything. And to tell you the truth, folks, I'm not receiving enough answers. And I know a lot of you out there are the same way. So the whole situation surrounding Epstein's death has always been an absolute shit show. We have never gotten the real story. And when you hear things like what Doug Schoen has to say, it just goes further, strengthening my belief that something, I don't know what, but something real fucked up occurred in that jail from the time Epstein was hurt the first time, assaulted, tried to commit suicide, whatever,

[David Schoen]

up until his death.

[Bobby Capucci]

There needs to be answers for that whole entire time period. And Doug Schoen, the lawyer who sat with Epstein very close to the time of Epstein's death, he feels the same way.

[David Schoen]

So let's jump into this article from

[Bobby Capucci]

the Daily Mail and let's see what they have to say. It was a homicide, but I don't know who killed him. Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer says his pedophile client was upbeat and excited about strategy to clear his name, but lived in fear of violent former cellmate.

[David Schoen]

So this is Doug Schoen saying this, folks, okay?

[Bobby Capucci]

We're not talking about some two bit hack lawyer. We're talking about a guy that's on the public scene as far as these sorts of cases go. Somebody who's a pretty respected lawyer. And according to him, Epstein was scared of Tartaglioni. This article was authored by Dan Bates. Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself because he was preparing a multi layered legal and and media strategy to fight his case, the late pedophile's lawyer has claimed. David Schoen, who Epstein asked to lead his legal team in his final days, said he planned to mount legal and factual defenses to the sex trafficking allegations against him. So he had David Schoen come in, and David Schoen was about to take.

[David Schoen]

Was about to take over this case.

[Bobby Capucci]

And David Schoen had a whole strategy worked up. Him and Epstein, they had a whole entire, you know, game plan set forth, which would probably have failed, honestly. There's so much evidence that Epstein is guilty. That's not the point here though. Right. The point is him and his lawyer were confident that they had a strategy put into place that might be feasible.

[David Schoen]

Right.

[Bobby Capucci]

And if it's somebody who was suicidal, would they be sitting down trying to put a strategy together? Would they be juggling their lawyers? Would they be hiring a new lawyer to take the lead in the case? Doesn't sound like somebody who is suicidal to me. During a five hour meeting with Epstein nine days before his death, Shown said Epstein was upbeat and excited and looking forward to clear his name. But Epstein was in a dangerous situation in jail and suggested other prisoners were considering blackmailing him. Look, there's. There's no doubt that happens in jail. That happens in prison to the best of people,

[David Schoen]

right?

[Bobby Capucci]

You show up and it's open season on the fish. And if you don't know how to handle yourself physically, right, you don't got to be the baddest dude in the world, but you got it. You got to get down, you got to throw down. If somebody looks up on you, somebody's threatening you, somebody's trying to blackmail you, somebody's pressing you, you need to stand up for yourself. Now, you can't walk in there like Billy Badass with your chest all bared, talking about, I'm here to knock people out because you're going to get your shit pushed in. But you need to handle your business. Shut your mouth, be a man, make eye contact, speak with people the correct way. But if you're Jeffrey Epstein and you have these charges over your head, none of that matters. You're automatically a piece of shit to these people. And the fact that Tartaglioni is acting like him and Epstein were going to become friends and shit is laughable at best. There's zero chance, okay? Tartaglione, an ex cop, now a felon for life, is gonna make friends with a chomo before he even hits the yard. Yeah, okay, sure. And all of that money that they just passed for infrastructure is gonna go to the American people. They would see him on TV inside the prison and tell Epstein's seventy million dollar mansion, huh? Shone speaks out in a new documentary about Epstein's death called who Killed Jeffrey Epstein? The first episode began streaming online on an investigation discovery on Monday and will be will premiere on TV on May 31st. Now this article is back from May 20th, remember May of 2020. So this is already out. If you haven't watched this yet, you can check it out. Who Killed Jeffrey Epstein? Decent. One of these little series that they had going on, one of many, right? There's a bunch of them that they had out. So for those of you who might have missed those new to the story, go back, check them out if you got some time. Looking to kill some time. Definitely worth the watch.

[Podcast Host]

The three part series questions whether or

[Bobby Capucci]

not the financier pedophile took his own life last August while awaiting trial on sex trafficking charges. As the official autopsy claimed, Epstein's death sparked a slew of conspiracy theories which were bolstered by the apparent failures at the prison where he was being held. So see, I have an issue with that. Is it really a conspiracy theory? If there's a slew of issues and you have questions, why would you frame that as being a conspiracy theory unless you're trying to keep the truth from coming out? And it, it befuddles me that the legacy media would go about their business the same way. They're so worried about being called a conspiracy theorist that they won't ask the hard questions. And that's how the system set up, right? These so called elite have it so ingrained in people not to ask questions, not to say this, not to say that, or you'll look like a lunatic. If you came out and said you saw a UFO 15 years ago, you were laughed at and called a clown, a psychopath, etc, now the government itself's coming out talking about UFOs. But don't ask any questions. You're a conspiracy theorist.

[David Schoen]

It's so wild, bro.

[Bobby Capucci]

It is really so wild to me that they can get away with this shit for so long. Calling people conspiracy theorists, this, that, the other thing, while at the same time in the other side of their mouth firing off their own conspiracy theories that are only supported by circular reporting. It's really, it's really incredible to me to see how tone deaf the legacy media is. The guards at the Metropolitan Correctional center in Manhattan allegedly did not check on him all night and the cameras outside of his cell were not working. Not a conspiracy theory. Those are facts. Can you give me an answer for those issues? Oh, you can't? So how's it a conspiracy theory? That's. I'm not coming up with all sorts of wild fucking things. I don't think Chewbacca and Lando Calrissian showed up there to kill him. But I want some answers. And the answers you people are giving me certainly haven't fit the bill of what I would call solid answers. And I'm certainly not the only one who believes that.

[David Schoen]

Okay?

[Bobby Capucci]

Julie K. Brown feels the same way. Is she a conspiracy theorist? Shone is based in Atlanta, Georgia, and had been giving Epstein sporadic legal advice for 11 years before his arrest last July. He claims that despite his vast finances and Epstein's legal team was in turmoil and he sought out Schoen to lead them to trial. Speaking to DailyMail.com, shown, even called Jay Lefkowitz, one of Epstein's longtime lawyers, an unschool. And I can't disagree with that. Lefkowitz is a big mouth, obliviating big mouth. But he did let it slip that Epstein was one of the first donors, one of the first key members to to get the Clinton Global Initiative off the ground. Nobody likes to talk about that, right? They always want to talk about other things. You notice these people don't ever want to talk about their boy Billy Clinton, especially clog wearing ass George Stepanopoulos. They never have anything to say about good old Billy boy Clinton, do they? But the fact of the matter is, Jay Lefkowitz is a numbskull. Central to Epstein's legal strategy was that the prosecution in New York was the same as the one in 2008 for which he agreed to a plea deal with federal prosecutors. So again, that's the rub. And it's always been the rub. It's always been the thorn in the side. The goddamn non prosecution agreement in Florida, it has thrown such a monkey in the wrench. And that was always the goal, right?

[David Schoen]

Get that on the books.

[Bobby Capucci]

Let's get this in the system so we can use this as defense moving forward no matter what Epstein does. But guess what? It only protected you in Florida, all right? Only for the crimes committed there. You sick fuck, you. Now you got to pay the piper elsewhere. Well, not you, but your estate, right? Your reputation and your good friend Ghislaine. You're all gonna pay the piper now, aren't you there, fuck bag Epstein.

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[Bobby Capucci]

Schoen explained Epstein asked me to take over the whole case and that they discussed factual rebuttals. He said people who were coming forward he'd never seen before and had nothing to do with. I thought he was getting killed in the media when he could respond, and he should at least explain and respond. There was a miserable failure to do so, and his lawyers were dysfunctional. Look, there was no way Epstein was ever going to win this case in the public view. Now. Shone's right. You have to try. But it was a failed strategy from the get go. Now, Back then, before it had blown up like it had now. Maybe it would have worked a little bit better, but not now. What do I always say? One of one. That they can swat us away, right? 10 million of us. They're gonna suffocate. And that's what we've become. We've become a swarm. Folks. I couldn't be any prouder of you people, the way you folks have stood tall before the wagon throughout this whole entire thing, every day on this podcast, listening to what I have to say. Tons of other content you're sucking down, reading books, calling your congressman, demanding change. Yeah, you people are the. The all stars. Me and the rest of the content creators, we just happen to have some big mouths.

[David Schoen]

Right?

[Bobby Capucci]

That's all it really comes down to. Nobody's smarter than anybody else. Nobody knows more than anybody else. Is a team effort as far as I see. And anybody trying to claim credit in this case. Bunch of clowns. You folks out there that have kept the pedal to the metal, your foot to the floor, and demanded justice for all of these years. You're the superstars. All right? Now, we all know that the real leaders of this have been the survivors themselves. But you folks who have supported them on a regular basis via social media and otherwise, you all deserve a standing applause as well, folks, all right? Because this hasn't been an easy, you know, an easy road. A lot of you have, you know, suffered. People calling you conspiracy theorists and other names and shit, and people don't know anything about the case, mainly. But you have kept your cool, you have kept the narrative going, and you have kept the story in the news. And for that, you all should get a tip of the cap. He Said people who were coming forward he'd never seen before and had nothing to do with. Oh, excuse me. The plan to push back included appealing to the public sense of fairness because Epstein had not been formally accused of anything since 2005.

[David Schoen]

Yeah, failed strategy.

[Podcast Host]

That would not have worked.

[David Schoen]

Okay.

[Podcast Host]

Once you're accused of what Epstein was

[Bobby Capucci]

accused of originally, there's no rebuilding that image in the public view now. Maybe amongst the other elites. The other so called elites. The scumbags of the world. The pieces of shit who ran to the Hamptons while the rest of you were dying in New York during COVID The pieces of shit who ran to the Hamptons while the rest of you couldn't leave your house in New York. Yeah, those same very people, they let Jeffrey Epstein back in. But the rest of us. Nah, no thanks. We have no room for fuck bags like you. Okay. Shown wanted to talk about the political pressure that led the. Led to Epstein's arrest and the extortion attempt by survivor's lawyers. Now that's an interesting angle, right? An extortion attempt. I think that asking for compensation after being abused for decades by Jeffrey Epstein and extortion. Okay, I think that's getting. Right? I think that's called getting some retribution. It's not extortion. In one case, a lawyer supposedly sent Epstein a letter demanding 25 million to make the survivors claims go away. Epstein did not pay. Let's see the letter. Let's see the evidence. Talk is cheap, homie. Talk is real cheap. Show and said at least I wanted people to report on the fact how much lawyers were making off this thing. I'd hope that some people agree that some of these women tricked him. I don't believe that. Now are there crazy people out there that might make false claims? Of course there are. Of course there are. But I will, I will say this. Lawyers are making a lot of money off of this. Are you kidding me? Even the lawyers that are doing it for free, they're making money off of this. That's how the world works. What nobody misses when you exploit things. You can make some money. Shit, we all got to eat. Everybody got a put a roof over their head. It's people who are exploitive. It's people who exploit situations that I have a problem with Johnny come lately. But when it comes to stuff like

[Podcast Host]

this, the lawyers making a couple of

[Bobby Capucci]

bucks writing books or whatever, they should do that. They got, you know. How else are they supposed to fund this? How are they supposed to fund their battle against people like Epstein during their five hour meeting at the MCC on August 1st. Epstein and Shone had mapped out a strategy, and he was upbeat and excited. Shone said, we were in the area where prisoners meet lawyers. At one point, a prison psychiatrist came in and asked me to leave so she could talk to Epstein on his own. They talked for five minutes, and he seemed relaxed. He was smiling as she left. He had plans to really fight this case. He'd made arrangements to hire me. So again, there's all this talk about, oh, Epstein was suicidal. He was this, he was that. According to who. Who has actually come out and said that? That is somebody that we can believe, somebody that's credible. Oh, the. The prison staff said that. Oh, okay. The prison staff. Yeah, these guys are solid. We can really count on them.

[David Schoen]

And I'm not really, you know, I

[Bobby Capucci]

don't really mean to come down on the correctional guards. Right.

[David Schoen]

They.

[Bobby Capucci]

They have a tough job. It's not an easy job to do what they do, but at the same time, I mean, come on, if you're not gonna take your gig seriously, find something else to do. There's plenty of jobs out there, especially now, a lot of jobs going on. Well, at least till another lockdown comes rolling through, but that's besides the point, I guess. But I don't know of any credible people coming out saying Epstein was suicidal, except the people in the prison. Shown did not reveal the contents of his discussions with Epstein, but said Ghislaine Maxwell, his alleged madam, never came up. Epstein had a lot of powerful friends who he did favors for. That shown was disappointed that they did not offer to help him after his arrest. He said, I'd hoped that Prince Andrew would be the one guy who stood up and said he was a friend. I didn't know anything about it. Instead, the Duke distanced himself from Epstein in a BBC interview a few months after he died.

[Podcast Host]

And that right there is a little

[Bobby Capucci]

look inside of the psyche, how close Epstein and Andrew really were, folks. Cut through the bullshit, see what is right in front of your face. Why would Doug Schoen say that if Epstein and Andrew, the Joe Exotic of the Windsor family, weren't BFFs, you know, they were very close, super close, like best friend close. And when you pull back the curtains and you take a little look and you find the nuggets like shown just dished out here, it's very apparent that they were much closer than even the media is letting on. When Shone learned Epstein had been found dead, he immediately told his legal team to hire renowned pathologist Michael Baden to be Present for the autopsy. Baden was brought on board and concluded that Epstein's injuries were not consistent with suicide by hanging, as the New York City medical examiner said. And right away, when Boden came in, the onslaught began. Oh, he's a quack. He's this, he's that. Blah, blah, blah, this, that, the other thing. Meanwhile, this dude had a show on HBO for a thousand years. I remember as a kid watching this guy's show on HBO about, you know, the examination of dead bodies and whatnot. Always freaked me out. I'm not a feed. I don't like that kind of shit. Grosses me out, man. Not. Not a big fan of, like, you know, surgeries and autopsies and shit like that. Pass. But I remember as a kid seeing this guy on HBO and, you know, all the news stations, etc. Etc. Then all of a sudden, Epstein shows up, and now he's a quack. Now Dr. Baden doesn't know what the he's talking about.

[David Schoen]

Okay, sure.

[Bobby Capucci]

You know what it is? It cracks me up. It's just like anything. Like with COVID you can find some scientist or a doctor that agrees with. With your confirmation bias if you look hard enough, no matter how crazy it might be, and then people will point to that and say, oh, look, I'm following the science. So it's all wild. It's all confirmation bias and wildness, Right? But when it comes to Michael Bodden, I think that the guy should be listened to. He might have done an autopsy or two in his life. Huh? Baden was brought on board and concluded that Epstein's injuries were not consistent with suicide by hanging, as the New York City medical examiner upset. Instead, Baden believes the broken neck in Epstein's. The broken bone in Epstein's neck suggests he had been killed, as Shown says in the documentary. I think it was a homicide, but I don't know who killed him. Shown said he was especially concerned about Epstein's former cellmate, Nicholas Tartaglioni, a hulking ex cop accused of four murders. And again, we come back to Nicholas Tartaglioni. Why was he in the cell with Jeffrey Epstein in the first place? Tartaglioni was Epstein's cellmate during his first apparent suicide attempt on July 23rd last year. And some reports suggested he beat Epstein up, a claim his lawyer strongly denied. Shone said the first incident that happened, which the newspaper is reported as a possible suicide attempt, Epstein didn't want to discuss any further. He told the prison officers he couldn't remember what happened. He didn't want to answer Any more questions?

[David Schoen]

Yeah, no shit.

[Bobby Capucci]

Look, dude, you're in prison. You ain't ratting. And if you do, you're fucked. Where's Epstein gonna go? He's already in protective custody. Where's he gonna go? So he gets assaulted by Tartaglione. This is my working suspicion, my theory, folks, Okay? I don't have the evidence to back it up, but neither do they. So he gets assaulted by Tartaglioni. A message sent. Listen, you're in prison now. You hurt kids. I'm here to tell you that shit don't ride. Tartaglioni gives him the business, roughs him up real quick. Now Epstein's scared. Epstein's like, what the fuck? I know. I'm in this shit now. So he clams up, doesn't want to tell the authorities what happens, but tell some of his lawyers, doesn't he? Look, he was in a dangerous situation. He's a very wealthy guy accused of sex offenses, stuck in with a guy accused of four murders. First of all, he shouldn't have been locked up in the general population. That's reprehensible. He'd have guys who watch the nightly news on the prison TV and say to him, 70 million dollar mansion, huh? Yeah, no shit. If they put him in the yard, if he was in GP for, get it? If they would have put Epstein in gp, you know for a fact that somebody wanted him clipped, they couldn't have done that. So they put him in the shoe. Then they put in this hulking. This psychopath with them, and they want you not to answer any questions when everything go. Ask any questions when everything goes south. After that. Camera's not working, guards are sleeping, no crime scene. But you're the conspiracy theorist. I've been through this with other clients, and I told him to keep an eye on this and tell me if anyone was extorting him. Look, folks, Epstein was in for a rough time in prison. There's no doubt about that. But I don't think he killed himself, okay?

[Podcast Host]

I just don't.

[Bobby Capucci]

I don't. Here's the thing. I'm not one of those people that say that, though, and won't believe the evidence the other way. I'm an evidence based person. If you show me the evidence and I have an opinion that is other than. Well, once the evidence is shown, I'm not going to continue on my path of stupid opinions when the evidence is present. So if somebody has some evidence that he actually, you know, killed himself, I'd sure love to see it. Because what it Certainly looks like to me is there was something else going

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[Bobby Capucci]

There's a whole lot going on there. And the questions that are still whirling around. Tartaglione, his role and what he was doing in a jail cell with Epstein. Well, I'm not gonna stop asking those question those questions, folks, until someone gives us some damn answers. So with the way that they've been holding everything close to the vest leading up to it, I guess I'm gonna be asking these for these. These answers till I'm dead because it doesn't seem like they want to be very forthcoming with information. So my question is, what do you folks think? Should Tartaglioni have been in a jail

[Podcast Host]

cell with Jeffrey Epstein?

[Bobby Capucci]

Or should have Jeffrey Epstein been put in a cell by himself, safeguarded under 247 surveillance like Maxwell is being? And ask yourselves why the hell that didn't occur, because those are the questions, the very basic questions, right, that we have no answers to. And until we get those answers, we're gonna keep chipping away, folks. We're gonna be out in the backyard chopping wood. Because at the end of the day, you, me, taxpayers everywhere, we all deserve to know some answers here. And until the federal government and the Department of Justice and the Bureau of Prisons comes correct, we're gonna be here asking the same questions over and over again. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that at Bobby Capuchi protonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A p u c c [e-mail] you can also find me on Twitter at B O b B Y Underscore Capuc.

[David Schoen]

What's up, everyone? And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. When we talk about Jeffrey Epstein's death and the alleged suicide attempt previously to him actually dying, there has been nothing but. But questions surrounding what happened in that jail cell the first time around while he was with Nicholas Tartaglioni. Now, we've Talked about this quite a bit, but it's worth mentioning once again because we still have no answers. No legitimate answers here. Of course, there's the official narrative that people want you to suck down. Oh, he killed himself. And if you ask any other questions. Well, you're the conspiracy theorist. Well, my question is, what happened in the jail cell with Nicholas Tartaglioni according to the official narrative? Well, they'll say that he tried to kill himself. And Tartaglioni, well, he saved him. Now, I said at the time, and I'll say today again, if Nicholas Tartaglioni was in the business of saving Jeffrey Epstein, he would have never let him get to the point where he had a noose around his neck or whatever in the first place. What big ass Nicholas Tartaglioni couldn't have restrained Jeffrey Epstein if he wanted to. He couldn't have called for the guards. So it progressed far enough where Epstein had marks on his neck. Right? And then Tartaglioni decides to step in and play the superhero role. None of it made sense. And especially considering what Jeffrey Epstein said. In the wake of all of this, he told his lawyers that he got roughed up, that he got beat up by his cellmate, Nicholas Tartaglioni. And then all of a sudden, the tape is gone. It just disappears. And the backup was deleted as well. Now, where I'm from, that sounds pretty suspect. Doesn't sound like a conspiracy theory. Sounds like the powers that be have something to hide. And if they don't, then where is the tape? How is it that the tape itself and then the backup are both gone? How many other tapes and backups are. Are gone from the facility? Can we get a number on how many go missing? What's the prevalence of that happening? Because as of right now, looking at it from where we are, it certainly looks suspect. How could it be that the backup system deleted it? How could it be that the actual surveillance system didn't capture it? And all we have to go on is Nicholas Tartaglioni's word. And we're going to believe a guy who is in prison for allegedly murdering four people? Especially considering Epstein says that he got roughed up by Tartaglioni. So, once again, this portion of the story was just glossed all. All over and bulldozed in favor of the official narrative. Now, if the official narrative was something to sink our teeth into, I'd be all over it. But all we have is Bill Bar's ass telling us that it's the truth. And whenever anyone fires off a Freedom of Information Act? Well. Oh, it's still an ongoing investigation. We can't tell you what's going on here. There's nuclear secrets. It's basically what they say. How is this national security? How is this not an issue of public trust within the institutions? And when it was all happening? These are. These are the same questions I was asking then. Today we have an article from the New York Post, and the headline, epstein told lawyers that cellmate Nicholas Tartaglioni roughed them up. This article was authored by Bruce Golding and Emily Saul. This article was published on August 14th of 2019. Jeffrey Epstein told his lawyers that a hulking ex cop inflicted the injuries that left him nearly unconscious in his cell last month. A source close to the convicted pedophile's case told the Post. So right away, this is what Epstein said happened. Why would he say that this guy assaulted him if he didn't? And why would Epstein try and commit suicide with somebody else in the room? Now, I've said for quite some time that I think Tartaglioni was there to pass on a message. This is a man who was, you know, an ex police officer, a man who probably had some connections throughout the facility here, and a man that has nothing to lose.

[Podcast Host]

Look, if you're going to prison for

[David Schoen]

the rest of your life, or maybe going to prison for the rest of your life, you'd want to get some credit on your. On your docket, right? And what better credit for an ex cop than saying he went after a pedophile? And now if you look at Tartaglioni's case, it's just been, you know, kind of neutral in the system since then. You mean to tell me they can't have this guy at trial yet? What are you dudes waiting for? Epstein was treated for neck injuries following the July 23 incident inside the Metropolitan Correctional center in lower Manhattan. Law enforcement officials have said so. I have a hard time believing folks that he tried to commit suicide this first time around. In fact, I'm almost convinced that he didn't. Now, what happened in the jail cell when he actually died? I'm not convinced one way or the other. I'm very open and receptive to evidence whichever way it comes. But I will tell you, I do not believe the official narrative, hook, line and sinker. How they're pitching it. At the time, Epstein was sharing a cell with a former Westchester cop, Nicholas Tartaglioni, who faces a death penalty trial and four drug related slayings upstate. So why in the world would you put Jeffrey Epstein and in a jail cell with a guy like Nicholas Tartaglioni. I haven't had one person give me a legitimate excuse for that yet. Epstein told his lawyers that the cop roughed him up and that's why they got him off suicide watch, the source said. So Epstein's in the cell with this ex police officer who is there looking at four homicides, and there's no way in hell that somebody like Epstein should be in a jail cell with this person to begin with. You put Epstein in a cell with the jailhouse snitch, somebody who's in there for some, you know, blue collar crimes or whatever, somebody who is not a violent person because this is one of your most high profile inmates. Would you put El Chapo in there with somebody who is staring at a death penalty case? Of course not, because that person might be enticed to make a move. Whenever you have a high profile inmate, that inmate has to be safeguarded so that they can see trial.

[Podcast Host]

Foreign's lawyer, Bruce Barkett, disputed that account,

[David Schoen]

saying, I spoke to his lawyers and they never hinted at that to me. But he must have said something to get off suicide watch. I don't trust Bruce Barkett for as far as I can throw him, by the way, he has one interest here. Protecting Nicholas Tartaglioni. And if that means lying about Epstein or obfuscating the truth, that's what he's going to do. He's not going to admit that his client assaulted Jeffrey Epstein, and Tartaglioni isn't going to admit it either. And it's convenient that when Epstein allegedly tried to kill himself this first time around in the jail cell with Nicholas Tartaglioni, that none of the cameras were working. I know.

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[David Schoen]

I do know that Nick was not brought up on any charges at all in the institution, so they cleared him, Barkett said. Of course they did. Were they in on it? That's the real question. Did the institution turn a blind eye to all of this, turn the cameras off, delete it, and put them in the cell on purpose with them. That is a legitimate question that nobody has answered yet. And to act like somebody shouldn't ask that question is just bananas to me. So you're just gonna implicitly trust the institution and everything they have to say because they have such a great track record of being transparent with us and not lying to cover their own ass. Barkett added, we were a little worried that he would make up something to get out out of suicide watch or try and argue for bail. But it's pretty clear what happened given the end result here. Oh yeah, it's pretty clear, Mr. Barkett, because you said so, because Nicholas Tartaglioni told us that's what happened. You're dealing with two scumbags. You got Jeffrey Epstein, Mr. Child Molester Extraordinaire, and you have a four time murderer over here. And you want me to believe what he has to say? Zero chance that's going to happen. Let's go to the video jigs. Oh yeah, that's right.

[Podcast Host]

There's no video here.

[David Schoen]

Nobody got in trouble for that either. Where's the chain of custody? The revelation came as Manhattan Federal Judge Richard Berman, who was overseeing the child sex trafficking case against Epstein, released a Monday letter to MCC's warden in which he said what happened on July 23rd remained an open question. To my knowledge, it has never been definitively explained what the Bureau of Prisons concluded about the incident. Berman Berman wrote, 100% they will not tell you what happened. In a response dated the same day, Warden Lemine and Daisy said that an internal investigation was completed, but noted that current investigations by the FBI and Justice Department Office of Inspector General will include this incident as well. Such you know what that's called? That's called misinformation. That's called not giving you the truth. And people will just sit back and accept it and be like, ah, you know, that's cool. Whatever they'll get to, they'll get around to it. Whenever they do, I trust them. Well, I do not. And now we're going on, what, three years and still no answers. And still they're stonewalling people who are trying to get to the bottom of

[Podcast Host]

what's going on here.

[David Schoen]

Ask yourselves, why would they do that? Wouldn't it be, wouldn't it be beneficial to all of us to find out what exactly happened here and move forward so that we can fix it so it doesn't happen again? Accordingly, I cannot divulge any information about the prior investigation at this time. Endai said on Tuesday, Attorney general William Barr ordered the removal of Endai from his post at the MCC after ripping the serious irregularities at this facility during a speech the previous day in New Orleans. So imagine being so bad at your job that Bill Barr thinks you're bad at your job and removes you from your position. That's where we're at, folks. That is exactly where we're at. And these are the people that folks want me to just trust. Especially considering we've went back and we've went over all of these topics and we've looked at all of the evidence, and for me, there's nothing here that says, all right, I have to believe what the official narrative is that Epstein was just suicidal, tried to kill himself once and then succeeded the second time around. The first time it was stopped by the. The great superhero Nicholas Dartaglioni, though, because, you know, he's such a great man, such a pillar of the community, assault and earth type that he stepped in to make sure Epstein the child molester didn't kill himself. That's what you want me to believe? Well, folks, I do not believe that part of the narrative. I don't believe how they're pitching it. And I want real answers. All right, folks, that's gonna do it for this episode. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that@bobby capuchirotonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A P U C c [e-mail]. you can also find me on Twitter at B o B b y/cap ucci. All right, everybody, I'll be back later on with a little bit more. I hope that all of you are

[Bobby Capucci]

having a good one.

[Podcast Host]

What's up, everyone? And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. One of the key factors when it comes to Jeffrey Epstein and, and what happened to him inside of that jail is Nicholas Tartaglioni. And it's wild to me that more people don't want to talk about Nicholas Tartaglioni and the fact that he was even in a jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein in the first place. Well, one person who's still talking about it after all of these years is one of Epstein's ex lawyers, David Schoen. Now, David Schoen is somebody who really, he doesn't take many cases. He, he's very selective about what he's going to take and what he's not going to take. Well, he was getting ready to work with Epstein to Try and spring him from the charges, but before they could get cracking, well, Epstein ended up dead. But before he ended up dead, he told David Schoen that he was terrified of Nicholas Tartaglioni. Yet the MCC cleared Nicholas Tartaglioni right away after the attack and really didn't even investigate what went down. Instead, they pitched us some BS about Epstein attempting to kill himself. And it's just convenient that those videos happen to be missing. Right, so what it looks like to me is you're trying to set the tone. Well, let's say that he tried to commit suicide once. So during the second attempt here, or him getting murdered, whatever it might be, there's no issues because there's already precedent for it.

[David Schoen]

Right?

[Podcast Host]

He's already shown us that he's suicidal, but that's not the case. And this is the argument that I've been making from the very beginning. Look, anyone who knows anything about jail and having high profile inmates in that jail, you know that you're not putting someone who's looking at four homicides in a jail cell with somebody who's looking at sex trafficking charges. It's just not going to happen. Now, you might put a jail snitch in there with them, but you're certainly not putting someone like Nicholas Tartaglioni in a jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein. But somehow that happened here at mcc.

[David Schoen]

Right?

[Podcast Host]

And not only that screw up, but on top of that screw up, the cameras don't work. I mean, for real, who's buying that? That is some of the weakest BS I have ever heard. But all these legacy media outlets sucked it up, right? Oh, the OIG report, this, that, the other thing. As if we can trust the investigators to investigate themselves. Me, personally, I'd much rather listen to somebody like David Choan who knows what the hell is going on, who was talking to Epstein in confidence, and who says on record that Epstein told him that he was attacked by Nicholas Tartaglioni. Now, why would Epstein lie to his lawyer about something like that? It doesn't make any sense. He's not going to get any kind of special privileges if he attempts to commit suicide, he's going to be put on suicide watch, right? Things are going to get worse for him. So that whole entire narrative never, ever stuck with me. And guess what? All these years later, it still doesn't. Today's article is from the Yonkers Times, and the headline, attorney says Epstein never committed suicide. He wanted to fight the charges and get out on bail. This article was authored by Dan Murphy, the Most credible source so far who claims that Jeffrey Epstein had no reason to commit suicide was his criminal defense attorney, David Schoen, who met with Epstein for hours in the days before he is alleged to have hung himself in his jail cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center MCC in lower Manhattan. And this is a story that's been out there forever. David Schoen came out right away and was talking about this, how he didn't believe that Epstein killed himself. And then everybody runs to believe Bill Barr. Really? That dude's the arbiter of truth that everybody's gonna listen to. We're gonna latch on to his narrative, huh? Sorry, not me. I don't believe a word that dude says. And if they have some kind of footage or evidence that puts us all to bed, let's see it. We haven't seen that evidence, though, have we? Not in the OIG report and not after Shone, a solo practitioner who only accepts a few cases each year, agreed to take Epstein's case and met with his client at MCC several days before his death on August 9, leading into the 10th of 2019. Showen, appearing on the Crime Waves podcast with Declan Hill on January 5, said that Epstein had hired him to prepare for his upcoming criminal trial for sex trafficking of minors and to request bail. Does this sound like a man who is ready to kill himself? I haven't heard one single person tell me that Epstein was suicidal. In fact, I keep hearing the opposite from people who were close to him and people who knew him best. He was in pretty good spirits. We immediately started to talk about the case. When I met with him on August 1, about two weeks earlier, there had been an incident which they initially called an attempted suicide, but later came to no conclusion. And I think that that is crucial. Remember, they came to no conclusion with the official narrative, but everybody just runs with it, like Epstein attempted to kill himself. It's absolutely bananas to me. There is no way in hell I believe that Epstein attempted to kill himself this first time around. What happened in that jail cell the second time around when he ended up dying? Well, that's anyone's guess. But if you think I'm gonna believe that Nicholas Tartaglioni had nothing to do with attacking Jeffrey Epstein that first time around, you got another thing coming. Because this guy is a dangerous man, someone that's capable of killing four people. You really think he can't press Epstein for whatever reason?

[David Schoen]

I discussed it with him.

[Podcast Host]

It was not in any way an attempted suicide. But he told the staff he couldn't remember what happened because he was afraid. We met for a total of five hours. Yo, I'm not some punk ass bitch like Jeffrey Epstein. But I'll tell you what, I wouldn't want to be in a jail cell with Nicholas d' Artaglioni, either. The dude's a dangerous son of a bitch, and he had no business being in a jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein. Would they put him in with El Chapo? Of course they wouldn't. So why are you putting him in with Jeffrey Epstein? Nobody can give me a logical answer to that. Especially considering that, what, a week, two weeks prior to him being moved into Epstein's cell, this dude was caught with a cell phone at the facility. Most people get nailed with a cell phone in jail, and they end up going into the hole. Well, this guy, he got promoted and moved over to Epstein's wing because, you know, that's logical. July 23, 2019, was the day that Shone is referencing. Who was his cellmate that day? Well, former Briarcliffe Manor cop Nicholas Tartaglioni, who was in MCC for a quadruple homicide. Tartaglioni later claimed that. That he saved Epstein from suicide. But Epstein told Shone something much different. What he said happened was that this other inmate, Tartaglioni, had tied something around his neck as part of some kind of experiment that Jeffrey Epstein didn't feel he was in a position to say no to. And the guy pulled the thing and left a mark on his neck, and that was the end of it. He didn't pass out, but it was a scary episode for him. But it was not an attempted suicide. He explained it to me in some detail, said Shone. When asked what Epstein was afraid of, Schon said, retaliation from the inmate Tartaglioni.

[David Schoen]

So this is why I always say

[Podcast Host]

that Tartaglioni was sent to this jail cell to send a message to Jeffrey Epstein. And that message is, either you kill yourself or we're gonna get to you. It doesn't matter where you are. We're gonna get to you. And who the we are, I don't know. I'm not gonna sit here and make pretend. I know I don't. What I do know is this. The official narrative is bs, and that's why I think that my theory is probably the strongest one. Considering all we know, considering what Mr. Schoen has to say, I think the likeliest scenario here is that Nicholas Dartaglione was placed in that cell to send a message to Jeffrey Epstein. Shown explained that Epstein was preparing a defense to the charges against him and hoped to be out of the MCC on Bell soon. Suicide wasn't even in the realm of possibilities. Our entire meeting was based on a strategy of how to beat the case, and he wasn't in any way depressed. We had a trial strategy in place. If someone were planning to take his own life, he would not have been interested in having me help with that plan. He was so firmly committed to moving forward with this case. Saturday I got the news he was dead, said Shone. I base my conclusions that he didn't commit suicide on two things. When I met him, his plan was to fight this thing, and on Michael Bodden's report, his observations and conclusions and discussions have further convinced me it wasn't suicide. He said that in all of the thousands of autopsies he has done, he has never seen injuries like this consistent with suicide.

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to save, said Shone. And I know that Dr. Michael Baden elicits a lot of reaction from people, some good, some bad.

[Bobby Capucci]

But.

[Podcast Host]

But the fact is the man knows what he's talking about. So if you're asking me to believe Dr. Baden or the official narrative, I'm gonna believe Dr. Baden. Jeffrey Epstein's brother, the only remaining living member of his family, also has been discussing his brother's death and a reference to the Crime Waves podcast with shown Tartaglioni was found guilty of murdering four drug dealers that he was partnered with. One of the four murders was Martin Luna. Tartaglioni strangled Martin Luna with a zip tie. Oh, sounds familiar, huh? Strangled Martin Luna Jeffrey Epstein. Something wrapped around his neck. Nothing to see here folks. Just keep it moving. As a result of the first attempted suicide and the marks of Epstein's neck, Tartaglione was transferred out of Epstein's cell. But on the night of Epstein's death, the cameras inside MCC were not functioning and the guards were sleeping. Did Tartaglione return to Epstein's cell to finish the job? If he did, what Tartaglioni got in return is unknown. He did not receive a deal from the Department of Justice. He is serving a life sentence. They took the death penalty off the table though, didn't they? Oh, let's not forget about that. Bro was supposed to be facing the death penalty, but that's gone and his sentencing keeps getting delayed. Why's that? What are they doing here? Why isn't this guy sentenced already? And as far as Tartaglione returning to the cell, I don't believe that. I think he sent a message and then that message was received by Epstein loud and clear. And Epstein knew that if he didn't do what he did or allegedly did in that jail cell, then the job would be done for him. We continue to search for information about Clay Tiffany, who was harassed and beaten nearly to death while Tartaglione was a Briarcliff cop. Tiffany hosted a cable access talk show, Dirge for the Charlatans. We are looking for copies of that show. Please email us if you have tapes or any information to dmurphyrisingmediagroup.com David Schoen has no reason to lie about his former client. It would be easier for him to remain silent, but he's coming forward in an effort to reveal Epstein's true mental state. In the days before he died, Epstein's attempted suicide and then his suicide appear to have taken place without suicide involved. So when people say Epstein didn't kill himself, this is what they mean. And it's not like people are just shooting from the hip here. There is a whole lot of inconsistencies on the part of the official narrative that have never been explained, won't ever be explained, and they expect people just to suck it up and accept their narrative for what they say it is. But the facts don't match up with what they're telling us. And I think that it all hinges on Nicholas Tartaglioni. So the question is, what was Nicholas Tartaglioni doing in that jail cell with Jeffrey Epstein in the first place? Alright, folks, that's gonna do it for this one. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the

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