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Mega Edition: The Deposition Of Epstein's Chief Pilot Larry Visoski (1-3) (4/3/26)
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In his October 2009 deposition, taken during the Jeffrey Epstein v. Bradley Edwards defamation lawsuit, longtime Epstein pilot Larry Visoski described his decades of employment under Epstein and the routine nature of his work. Questioned by victims’...
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Bradley Edwards
welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. One of the biggest issues that you run into when you're looking at a situation like the one we're looking at with Epstein is that the information out there is not complete. And a lot of times it's very difficult to track down what you're looking for. Well, over the last few weeks I've been able to get my hands on some new depositions that that we haven't went through yet. And to say that they're fascinating is quite the understatement. So the first deposition that we're going to look at is one from 2009, and it's a deposition that involves Bradley Edwards, who was a lawyer to a lot of the survivors, and Larry Vasoski, who was one of two main pilots for Jeffrey Epstein. And the format we're going to use is the same one that we always use. When I say question, that will be Bradley Edwards asking the question. And when that Question's answered. It'll be Larry Vasoski that is answering. Now, if there's anybody else who interjects, like Mr. Critten or Mr. Reinhardt, who are both lawyers for Larry Vassalski, I'll make sure to point that out. So we keep everything framed up and keep it moving. So with that said, why don't we dive into this deposition of Larry Vasoski, October 15, 2009. Mr. Edwards. All right. Thereupon, having been first duly sworn or affirmed, was examined and testified as follows. Larry Vasoski, the witness. Yes, I do. Brad Edwards, can you tell us your first name for the record? Answer. Lawrence Vasoski Jr. Question. And Mr. Vassalski, have you ever had your deposition taken before by. No. Okay, here's the process. I'm going to ask you questions. You're going to give us answers. Try to give us answers that we all understand that the court reporter can take down, such as yes or no or some other verbal answer that we can understand. It's easy when we get in a casual conversation to nod or shake your head. And the court reporter is not writing pictures or anything else. I understand. The other thing is, and I've been accused of this in other depositions. I don't know if it's true or not, but I need to wait until you finish answering the question and you need to wait until I finish asking the question. So you're not allowed to interrupt me. Question. And you're not allowed to interrupt me like I just did. Question. Right. Mr. Carriages snickered when you said you've been accused because she recognizes it's true. Bradley Edwards. I don't know what the meaning of her snickering was. Mr. Edwards, for what it's worth, if you don't understand the question or that I've asked, or if it's a bad question, I don't want you to guess. Give me the best answer to the best of your knowledge. And if you need me to rephrase it, I will. Bassi. Okay. Question. Okay, tell me your current address. He gives them the address. How long have you lived there? Approximately nine years. Question. Okay, and who do you live there with? My wife. Question. All right. How many children do you have? 2. How old are they? 15 and 18. Question and is the 18 year old is not living with you? She's off at school. Okay. What school is that? Answer. Syracuse. Who is your employer right now? NES llc. How long has NES LLC been your employer? I'm guessing I'd say back to 91. I have to do the math, but 17, 18 years. Has that been your only employer since 1991? Yes. And has that been your only source of income since 1991? Yes. And what is NES LLC? I don't really know. I mean, it's the company that my check comes from. Question what do you do for NES LLC that results in them paying you? I'm chief pilot for the aircraft and helicopters. Question and do you have a specific boss or somebody you answer to@nes LLC? Answer several people would call to schedule flights from the office being at either Mr. Epstein or, you know, I would just get a phone call and they would schedule a trip. Answer. Okay, aside from Mr. Epstein, who else would be there that would call to schedule flights? Answer Leslie. Question Leslie who? Answer Leslie Grof. Question When's the last time you talked to Leslie Groff? Answer probably two weeks ago, three weeks ago. Question by Edwards and where is she currently? I believe in New York is where I spoke to her on the phone last. What's the telephone number that you call to reach Leslie Groff? He gives them the number and then the same for the address. And the address is 301 E. 66th St. And it's my understanding from other depositions that there are also apartments in that 301 E. 66th St. Building. Yes. And Mr. Epstein either owns or leases or rents certain of those apartments. And is that your understanding, Mr. Critten? Form speculation the witness I'm only speculating. I don't. To my understanding, I don't know. Bradley Edwards, do you know other people that live in that building? Answer well, it would be myself, Dave Rogers. Well, when you say live, explain Question when you're saying yourself and Dave Rogers to that he's cut off by Larry Vasoski. See, we don't live there. I. I mean, we would stay there when we would have a trip. Bradley Edwards, Question okay. When you would fly to New York and land in New York, the place where you would stay is that 301 E. 66th St. Yes, that's correct. Question that's also a location you've indicated in this deposition. That is the office for NES llc. Yes. Question what floor or suite number is NES LLC in? I believe. Well, I don't know what. NES LLC has an office there. I know that's where Leslie has the phone number where I call. So I don't know for a fact if NES LLC has an office there. And what suite number then would Leslie Groff sit in to answer the telephone number at? I think it's 10F. And when you stay at 301 E. 66th St. What suite number or apartment number do you stay in? By vasoski12c. And how about Dave Rogers? Where does he stay? I'm guessing because it's the same time since we've been there. 10B. But don't quote me on that question. Who are the other people in that building that, you know, stay there on a regular basis? Fairly regular basis. I've seen people in the elevator that, you know, have been on the airplane. Case in point, maybe Sarah Kellen, but I don't know for a fact that she lives there or anybody else for that matter. Okay, when you say that you've seen Sarah Kellen on the elevator, he's cut off by Vassaski. I can only assume that she lives there. I don't know for a fact. I'm trying to be honest and factual for you, so I couldn't honestly say if I knew she lived there or not. Where do you think that Sarah Kellan lives? I would think she lives there. You don't have a better location? I don't have another location. Question Anybody else Answer not to my knowledge. I mean, I'd only be guessing that people live in that building that, you know, I don't have any facts to prove that they actually live there. I mean, I don't think you want me to guess. Question well, NES llc, would you say that the owner or controller of that company is Jeffrey Epstein? Mr. Critten, form the witness. I don't know that for a fact. Bradley Edwards. Jeffrey Epstein is somebody you've indicated that you've worked for for 17 or 18 years, right? Answer yes. Question and over the 17 or 18 years, you've become personally close with them as well, correct? Mr. Crichton objects again form Vassalski Answers I don't understand how you mean close. Define that. Brad Edwards. Well, more so than just a pilot, that takes them from point A to point B. Answer by Vasoski that's my job. Question Right, but you know, I'm on a personal level and that you've had personal conversations that don't necessarily deal with flying from point A to point B, isn't that right, Mr. Critten? Form Vasoski More specific meaning we talk about cars. I mean, does that make you a personal friend? Question by Bradley Edwards have you ever gone to his house to eat? Answer no. Question have you ever been to his New York home? Answer yes. Question by Edwards how many occasions have you been to his New York home? To this? Mr. Critten once again objects Objectiform the witness, which is Vasoski. We normally pick up luggage in the lobby, so it would probably be quite often anytime we depart out of New York, we stop by the house and pick up luggage and head to the aircraft. Other than picking up luggage, have you been to his home to visit or socialize with him? Answer not to socialize, no. Question have you been to the Palm beach home? Answer two question to Mr. Epstein's Palm beach house. Answer Right. Question have you been there? Answer yes. Have you been inside? Answer yes. Question and how many occasions have you been inside that home? The same as far as picking up luggage. That would be on a regular basis, you know, for a departure. We wouldn't always go to the house to pick up the luggage, but it made it easier for loading the aircraft, getting it done prior to departure. Question Is that the only reason that you've ever gone to the Palm beach home over the last 18 years is to pick up luggage? No. Question what other reasons have you gone there? I've set up several home theater equipments, you know, televisions and such. Question Is that another hobby or job or something of yours? Answer Both. Question does he pay you for that? Answer not any more than my salary. Question what's your current salary? Answer at this time, 180,000. Question and what are you paid 180,000 to do? Answer Manages aircraft. Question and what does that entail? Answer Scheduling, maintenance, anything that has to do with any flight or whether it be weather, flight planning, time and distance to and from a location, any logistics involved in running an operation that has aircraft. In addition to the 180,000, does he give you bonuses as well? There have been Christmas bonuses over the years. You mean there have been Christmas bonuses? Yes. Is $180,000 the most he's ever paid you? No. All right. Were you making. When was the last time that you were making an amount different than $180,000? Last year. That would be 2008. That would be correct, yeah. We all took a salary cut. I don't know the exact date. It might have been 2008. Last year. It was last Christmas. We all took a 10% salary cut. Do you know why? Economic reasons. Question and who told you that you were going to have to take the salary cut? Darren Endyke. Question and did you ask for an explanation?
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Bradley Edwards
He said it was due to the economic reasons throughout the country. Okay, so in 2008, how much were you being paid by NES LLC? $200,000. Question. And is $200,000 the most you ever made from NES LLC? Yes, sir. And on top of the $200,000, did you. Did you get a bonus that year as well, Mr. Reinhart? Which year are you talking about, Mr. Edwards? 2008. The witness that year. I think we skipped Christmas bonuses that year. The last bonus might have been 2007. Mr. Edwards, if you ever got a bonus from Mr. Epstein, and I'm only deriving this from you using the term Christmas bonus holiday bonus. Am I correct to assume. Sorry? Am I correct to assume that. That if you got a bonus, there only was one and it was at the end of the year, around the holidays? Yes. Okay. And how much was the 2007 holiday bonus? I'd have to ask my wife, to be honest. I haven't seen my paycheck in 27 years, so I believe it was 10 GS. And in 2007, you also made $200,000? Yes. Okay. With a question mark. I. I'm trying to be as accurate as I can, but yes. Question. Something pretty close to that. Yes, sir. Okay, so with the bonus, it was 210,000. Roughly answer. Right. Question. Okay, and how long were you making that salary? Answer. Probably he was very religious about giving annual increases, so I would probably say 2006, you know, it was. We would get an increment increases of 5 or 10,000 each year. So I would say 2006. So it graduated, you know, progressive. Okay, do you remember the progression? If we start in 1991, do you remember roughly what the progression was up through 2007, 2008, when you were making $200,000? No, I wouldn't know the progression. Okay, do you remember what you were making from. And was NES LLC, the company paying you the back in 91? Answer. I don't know. I don't remember. Let me say it that way. I don't remember. Question. Okay, how long do you remember NES LLC being the payer of your check? Answer personally, two years. Because personally I've never seen my paycheck, so I don't know what it's written on the top of it. Question. That would be something that only your wife would see, I'm assuming. Answer. You're right, since she's probably wouldn't know the answer either because she's looking at the right column and not the top column. Question. Right. When's the last time you had heard the name NES llc, that company? Answer. Five, six years, and even questioned what it stood for? And I think to this day I couldn't answer that honestly. What it stands for? Question okay, but is your understanding that the N. LLC is paying you for the work that you do as a pilot or maintain the planes for Jeffrey Epstein? Answer to my understanding, yes. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up episode one right here. And in the next episode, we're gonna pick up where we left off with the deposition of Larry Vasoski. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where we left off with the Larry vasoski deposition from 2009. Question. Okay, throughout your career with or as a pilot For Jeffrey Epstein since 91, has there ever been a pilot or been a time when you believe you were paid directly from Jeffrey Epstein personally versus some company? Answer not to my knowledge, no. Question. Okay, so whether it was NES LLC or. Or some other company, it was all of a sudden a company name to the best of your knowledge? Answer. Exactly. Yes. Question. And back in 91, do you remember approximately how much you were being paid that year? Answer. 55 or 60,000 is maybe what I started. Question okay. Answer. You're going back a long ways. Question. Yes. Answer. I'm trying Question. Your relationship goes back that far? That's why I chose that year. Okay. Did you get your bonuses even back that far? Yes, sir. And do you remember what your bonuses were? Approximately 5,000. I mean that kind of. That was the starting point. Okay. In addition to monetary bonuses, were there ever gifts or any other type of compensation that NES LLC or Jeffrey Epstein provided you? Answer yes. And is that over the span of 18 years? Yes. Question okay, tell me what some of those items are. Answer I remember one specifically was a pool heater. Question Excuse me? Answer A pool heater. Question when was that? Answer 95 ish. Answer okay, why did you get that? Answer I had a pool built and I didn't have a heater. And he kind of laughed at me saying, how can you have a pool without a heater? So, so he says you ought to have it here. Where were you when you had this conversation in the airplane? How did he know that you had built a pool just in general conversation. Question. You were having a conversation with Jeffrey Epstein. Yes. Question and this is something that was happening on the airplane, this conversation? Answer. During the flight? Yeah. It would have been like on cruise or something. Question okay, when you say during the flight, does that. And to this he's cut off by Vasowski. Again, you're going back a long way. Question I understand we're talking about 95 right now. Answer yes. Question. You're having a conversation with Jeffrey Epstein who is flying the plane. Answer the autopilot and there's two crew. Question okay, so you're back in the back portion or is he up in the cockpit? Answer up in the cockpit. Question okay, Jeffrey Epstein sometimes comes up there. Yeah. Just in between the two pilot seats. All right. Is that something that was typical to have conversations like that? Uh huh. Yes. Yes. And would those conversations be directed mainly with you or with the other pilots as well? Mainly me. Question I mean, you kind of described as the main guy or the main pilot. Wouldn't you consider that pretty much your role? Right. Answer well, that's chief pilot. Question but more so than that, if there's going to be a casual conversation about a pool or a pool heater or whatever, it's going to be with you most likely if he's going to be talking to the pilots. Right. And to that, Mr. Critten objects again form the witness. Right. Edwards. Okay. And you feel like over the years your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein has been pretty good? Answer yeah. Question and you've been closer to him over the years as you've grown to know him Mr. Critten form witness the same throughout the same year. We never got any closer than 91 than I am with him now. I'm very professional at what I do and I know the line between being professional and thinking you're somebody's buddy. Edwards. Okay, so that's not something that you think you are. You don't think you're his buddy and no sir. Do you consider yourself his friend? I believe so. Do you think he considers you his friend? I think so. All right. What makes you think that, Mr. Critten? Speculation he's always been kind and respectful. Mr. Edwards ever invited you to dinner? No, sir. Have you ever associated or socialized with him during the day at any of those homes? Answer Only during business reasons. Question okay, what are the other are the places that you believe that Mr. Epstein owns? I know we've talked about Manhattan, the Manhattan house, but I've read articles about Palm beach mansion. But what about other places that you are familiar with, Mr. Critten? Form predicate speculation Vasoski to answer it honestly, I don't know specifically what he owns or that he owns any of the residences. To be honest, I would assume that he owns so if you want me to answer honestly, I don't know that he owns any of the other Mr. Edwards. Okay, well what would be the basis for your assumption that he owns the home in Palm Beach? Answer he goes there. But I don't assume you don't have to own a house to go to it. Question and not only goes does he go there, you're aware that he spends the night there. He resides there sometimes, correct? Answer yes. Question when he's in Palm Beach? Answer he sleeps Question Sleeps Right. When he's in New York, do you know where he sleeps? Answer no. Question but you've been to a particular house in New York that's very large house that we've all read about that you've picked up luggage at, right? Answer yes sir. Mr. Critten form Edwards and that home. Do you know that? I know that you're saying that you haven't done a public record search do make sure that Jeffrey Epstein owns it? Answer yeah. Question but you assume that he does. Answer Assuming. Question that's where he sleeps when he's in New York. Mr. Critten objects again form the witness, I assume Bradley Edwards that's where his luggage is when you pick it up? Answer doesn't mean he owns it Question Right. But that's where it is. Answer yes sir. Question do you know of anybody else who owns that home in New York? And no okay. Have you ever been to his ranch in New Mexico? Yes to this. Mr. Critten objects again form Brad Edwards how many times have you been to his ranch in New Mexico? Critten once again objects form and predicate vasoski answers a guesstimate 50 times only due to the fact that we would fly there. Brad Edwards and where would you land? Answer Depending upon the aircraft, either Albuquerque or Santa Fe. Question Are those private airports? Answer Public Question Public okay. Are there any private landing places where you would land any planes in New Mexico? Answer There are Question that you have landed? Answer that I have. Question his airplane Answer Yes. Question where we have a 4,500 foot strip on the ranch. When you say we yourself and somebody Answer the company. What company? Well, I should say I see where you're going with that. The ranch owns whoever owns the ranch. The ranch has a Runway on it. Okay. So you've landed an airplane on that Runway, that ranch. Yes. How many times do you think you've landed there? 10. All right. And you've been inside the ranch. Just interject a private Runway. What does that mean to you? Well, privacy. Right. Can you imagine what Jeffrey Epstein was doing in Zorro Ranch? Yes. Mr. Critten form to the last question, Mr. Reinhart, can you clarify the physical ranch or the residence or the structure on the ranch? Mr. Edwards I don't have a good visual appreciation for it. Question why don't you describe it in your own words what this ranch that we are talking about looks like And I've heard it referred to as Zoro Ranch. Have you heard that? Answer I've heard that. Question that's the ranch we're all familiar with. We're talking about where the Runway is and everything else. Answer yes. Question Describe in your own words the landscaping of the ranch. What do we have on it? Answer There's a. There's a house up on the hill. A large house. Question how big? Big. I've read 40,000 square feet in the paper. Question have you been to it this
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Bradley Edwards
Yes Question does that seem like it's feasible? Approximately 40,000 answer I think so. Question what else do we have on it? There is a compound that has kind of a motel room type. They call it a bunkhouse. Question where is the bunkhouse located? At the entrance to the ranch. Okay. And what is that primarily used for? For people that work at the ranch that reside there. It's also a place where anybody that traveled on the airplane would stay. It's kind of like, you know, a hotel room. Answer and how far is that from the first house that you described, the 40,000 square foot house? Answer it's probably four miles. Question okay, so the Zorro Ranch is a rather large area of property. Yes. And how many times? I know we just talked about how many times you've been to the house, but how many times have you been on the ranch in New Mexico, the Zorro ranch? 30, 50 times over the years. That's a guesstimate. Is that over? When was the first time that you went to the ranch a guess? I don't know when it was actually our first trip, but 95, 94. Okay. And do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein and or a corporation owned or controlled by him to be the sole owner of that ranch? I don't know any of those details. Have you ever talked to Jeffrey Epstein about who owns that ranch? No. Do you know of anybody else who may own that ranch? Not to my knowledge. Other than Jeffrey Epstein, do you know of anybody else who regularly stays when they're in New Mexico? Not to my knowledge. Question Does Jeffrey Epstein stay there when you're in New Mexico? He has. And he has a key to the place? I don't know if there's a key. One way or another, he gets in, right? Yes, sir. And he sleeps there? Yes. Okay. I assume he does. I assume he sleeps. I do. I think. Okay. Mr. Critten, this is really. Edwards just keeps on ploughing. Other than the pool heater in 95, have you ever received any other gifts on top of the compensation from Mr. Epstein? I did get land on the ranch to build a house. What do you mean you got land on the ranch? He deeded me land to build a home. When was that? Ten years ago, at least. Do you know if he's ever deeded anyone else in this world land on the ranch to build a home? Not to my knowledge. Why did he do that? We would vacation out there, and my wife fell in love with New Mexico and we were looking for property. And did you talk to him about that? Yes. He knew that I was aware that he knew that he was looking for a home. And he says, well, I have so much land, I could give you a spot to build on. So. So I built the house. Question so how long has a home actually been on that property? Answer Nine years. Question. And that's a home that you own? Question. Yes, sir. Question and that's a home that was. When you say, I own it, is there a mortgage on it or did he give it to you free and clear? Answer no. No, I paid for the house. I made payments on it. Question. All right, so what did he actually give you 40 acres of land that you did not have to pay for? You know, I'd have to go back and look. I think I had to pay something for it. I don't remember. How often have you visited that piece, that home that you own? My wife would spend summers out there with the kids. Question. Okay, but that's on Zorro Ranch. Yes. Question so in addition to the 50 or so times you have been to Zora Ranch, you've been to your property that's on Zorro Ranch. Yes. Which over the years, it's once a year visit. So I mean, it's included in the 50 times that I've been there. Okay. And did you have a conversation with him that led him to giving you or gifting you the 40 acres? We talked about it because he knew I was looking for a home out there. Okay. And gifting you that land, did you consider yourself at that point in time to be more than just his pilot, as more of a friend? Answer. No. You're using the word gifting. I paid for the land. I don't Recall what it was. But you use the word friend. I don't know what. Sure, he was a friend. I mean. Question. Well, did he give David Rogers any land out New Mexico's ranch? Answer no. Question. Okay. When you said you paid for it, I thought I asked that Question, did you pay for the 40 acres? I thought your answer was, I don't know. I have to go and look. Are you saying now that you did pay for that land? I don't remember. If there was a sum of money, it was just for, you know, the legal purpose of a transfer of ownership of the land. Question. Okay, if it was a substantial amount of money, that's something that you would have remembered. Oh, exactly. No, it was not a substantial amount. Do you remember approximately how much money you had to give Jeffrey for the land? Answer I would only be guessing. I might have been $5. To my knowledge. I don't remember. Question. Okay, so what I'm saying is he gave you the land. He may have actually given you the land. Answer sure. Question okay, and to the best of your knowledge, he's never given anyone else land out there? Answer not to my knowledge. To that, Mr. Critten once again objects to the form. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right back to the Larry vasoski deposition from 2009. And once again, it's Brad Edwards asking the questions and Larry Vasoski doing the answering. Question. Okay, I don't want to split hairs. You obviously thought about that answer before giving it. What other items are you thinking about that he's given to you or cut you a discount on or otherwise that you feel was compensation for you working for him? I drive a company car. Okay. What kind of car? A Hummer. Question. You say a company car that's owned by NES llc. No, I think the registration has Zorro Development on it. Question what Zorro Development? Answer. I believe that's the ranch. Or at least it has the name of the ranch. I don't know what the entity is. Question. And it's your understanding that that's the company vehicle? Yes. Question and where is that vehicle primarily garaged? Answer at my home. Question In West Palm beach or in Zorro Ranch? Answer no. Here in West Palm Beach. Question. All right. And is there only One company vehicle that you're issued? Yes, sir. And is that something that was that you did not have to pay for? No, it's just something I drive. I mean, it's not titled to me or anything like that. It's just a car. Alright, you've worked for him for 18 years. I don't even know how long the Hummer would last. But presumably that's not the car you've had over the 18 years. Have you always had a company car? No, I haven't. Question when did you get the hummer? Answer probably three years ago. Question do any other members of Mr. Epstein's piloting team have company cars? Answer no. Question. Only you. Answer yes. Question and do you know how that decision was made to get you a company vehicle? Answer no. Question. What do you use the vehicle for? Answer to and from the airport. Question all right. Do you use it for personal reasons also? I guess so. I mean, that's your primary vehicle? Yes. Or I drive my wife's car. Which is it? Type of car? Yes. A Mercedes. And is that something that was also a gift from Mr. Epstein? No, sir. What type of Mercedes is it? A ML430, 10 years old. Question. All right. Are there any other items, company car, the land in New Mexico, the pool heater, any other items that Mr. Epstein has given you over time as compensation or award or anything else? No, sir. Question. And your only income is from Mr. Epstein and his companies? Correct. Okay. And it's been that way since 91? Yes. How did you meet Mr. Epstein? What? Or become involved with him? In 1991, we heard at the airport that Mr. Epstein was purchasing an airplane when Dave Rogers and myself were living in Columbus and we had the opportunity to interview with them and we did and we got the job. Question. And this is before he owned the airplane? Yes. Question. And which airplane was that? The Hawker. Question. Does he still have the Hawker? No. How long did he have the plane? Five years, four or five years. So sometime in the mid-90s? Yes. Did you keep any type of logs or documentation as to who would have been flying on the airplane if you transported any individuals? The same logs as you possess are the flight logs. Okay. That's standard for the industry. So that's something that you kept or that Dave Rogers kept. Dave Rogers. Ok. If there are any documents out there with names of passengers, any of the flights involving planes owned or controlled by Jeffrey Epstein and or his companies, those would be documents in the possession of Dave Rogers and not yourself, the corporation actually they belong to. Question. Okay. And to this, Mr. Reinhart interjects that was a compound question. You might want to split it in half. Mr. Edwards. Okay. Question what documents do you believe exist that indicate names of individuals that have been passengers on Mr. Epstein's airplanes? Mr. Reinhardt Are we going all the way back 291 to the present? Mr. Edwards sure. The witness are talking about the Hawker. Edwards. Any airplane. What documents would there be? They would be the same. Flight logs and passenger manifests would exist. And are either of those required, the flight logs required for the aircraft to track time and landings. And in the flight log, is it required that you designate the names of the passengers? No. Question. That's just something that Dave Rogers did on his own. Everybody does that. It's more for internal Revenue. Okay. If something happens, they know who is on the plane. Answer. Exactly. Weight and balance. Question have you ever kept any flight logs that have names of people on the airplane? When you say kept, I have Filled out flight logs or the passenger manifest, yes. Question. By kept, I mean maintained to where they're in your possession and either on paper or computer. Answer. We keep to that. Reinhardt interjects can you differentiate a flight log from the P pilot's log that we showed you earlier? Mr. Edwards. Okay, question. I'm talking about, I don't know what. What it's called a flight log, a pilot's log, or any kind of log. Answer they are different. Yes. Edwards. Yeah. I'm asking about have you kept or do you have any documentation that would indicate the names of passengers that have flown on any of Jeffrey Epstein's planes? No. Question. Either in the form of paper or on a computer? No. Makes that easy. Okay, question. In 91, were you the chief pilot? No. Question. Somebody else was the chief pilot. Yes. Who's that? Dave Rogers. All right. At what point in time do you become chief pilot and switch with Dave Rogers? Six years ago. Five years ago. Why? Professionalism. Technique. What do you mean by that? The way Dave would operate an aircraft. Jeffrey knew the difference when I was flying and when Dave was flying. How do you know the difference? Just. He told you? Yes. He knew the difference. That if he never came up front, he. He knew who was flying and who landed. And what was the conversation that he had with you that resulted in you becoming chief pilot, switching positions with Dave Rogers? Jeffrey would always critique Dave's flying capabilities. And I tried to help Dave and explain to him what Jeffrey likes and doesn't like. And Jeffrey also conveyed these likes and dislikes. And Dave maintained continuing with certain piloting techniques that were just not comfortable to passengers. And this went on through the years and Jeffrey just got tired of it one day. Question what specifically were Jeffrey Epstein's likes and dislikes with respect to the flight of the plane? CRICHTON interrupts Here, let me put in a form here, but I don't know what this is or what it has to do with anything in the case. EDWARDS I understand that, Bob. I want to use this for some other depositions where we we've gone beyond the scope. The witness Vasoski the case in point, the last straw was there was a technique called quiet flying, where you would retread the throttles well short of the Runway and pretty much glide the airplane in. Well, if you don't do it correctly, you have to spool the engines up just prior to touching down because you're losing air speed and that's uncomfortable sound and feeling for the passengers thinking that you're not going to make the Runway. And it was a continuous practice of Dave doing that to be neighbor friendly as opposed to being passenger comfort friendly. EDWARDS okay, hence the transfer of power. Has he ever discussed with you where he wants you to be, whether that is stay in the cockpit when I have people on the airplane, or don't intermingle with the passengers or anything else? He's never stated that to us. Mr. Reinhart could you classify which he you're talking about? Mr. Edwards I'm talking about Jeffrey Epstein. Mr. Reinhardt okay. Do you understand that? Yes, it's my understanding that. Well, tell me, other than the Hawker, what other airplanes have you flown for? JEFFREY epstein Gulfstream. Does he still have that plane? Yes, sir. How big of a plane is that? Large corporate jet how long has he had it? 14 years? 13. 14 years. And other than the Gulf Stream, what other airplanes does he have? When you say he obviously these are company owned. Question Jeffrey Epstein or his companies? Boeing727 well, I know that's a very large airplane. I I think that's been described by other people, so I'm not going to have you do that. But there's partitions in that airplane, in the back room of that airplane, right? Answer yes Question Several partitions to where if the pilot comes out of the cockpit, you don't necessarily see all the passengers. Answer yes Question Is that true? Answer yes question okay, Mr. Reinhardt, keep your voice up so she can hear you, the witness oh, Mr. Reinhardt and so Mr. Willits can hear you. BRAD Edwards, other than the Gulfstream and the Boeing and the Hawker, what other airplanes Has Jeffrey Epstein owned over the years. That's it. And currently still owns or the companies associated with them own the Gulfstream and the Boeing? Yes. And in the past two years have you flown those two airplanes just for routine flights to keep them loose or you know. You know what I mean. Have those two airplanes been flown by anyone else in the last two years? No Question. Have those two airplanes been flown in the last two years for any reason other than routine maintenance type flights? We've had one, two flights, I think in the past two years. And what were the purposes and who was on those flights? One flight I believe we went to Sebring. And another flight we went to Nassau, Bahamas. And who did you go to Nassau, Bahamas with? I'd have to look at the flight log, but I think it was Sarah Story and Nadia I believe. I think it was the three passengers to the best of my knowledge. Question. And it's my understanding that little St. James is an island that Jeffrey Epstein owns or controls. Mr. Critten, form. Too fast, Trevor. Too fast.
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Bradley Edwards
Shh. They're here. Vasoski. I don't know that he owns it. Brad Edwards. Has he ever been to an island called Little St. James? Yes. And have you been there with Jeffrey Epstein? I've been there when he was there. Have you flown on an airplane with him to that destination? No. Alright. When you say you've been there when he was there, how did that come about? We flew into St. Thomas and then we flew to Little St. James in a helicopter. And do you fly the helicopter as well? Yes. How many helicopters are owned or controlled by Jeffrey Epstein and or corporations associated with them? Mr. Critten, I object to form at this time one Brad Edwards. And was that helicopter flown in the last two years just for routine maintenance. And when you. And let's say when Sarah Kellen and Story Cowles and. And Nadia flew to NASA, do you know the purpose of that trip? No question. How long did you stay? Five hours. Did you pick anyone up? No. Meaning passengers? Yes. No question. What happened? You landed the airplane. And then what? The passengers left. Dave and I went and had lunch. The passengers showed up and we came back. Have you ever stayed at the home that is on Little St. James? No. Question. Have you known Jeffrey Epstein to stay at the home? I don't know that for a fact. Do you believe that he is the owner or controller or has some interest in the home or the island of Little St. James? Mr. Critten form. I have no knowledge of that being a fact by Edwards. You have no belief that that's a fact? Answer. Exactly. Question. When you say that you've been there when he was there, how many times has that occurred? Answer. Estimating 100 times. Question. Okay. Answer. Trying to give an honest answer. Edwards. Okay. And in the approximate. I'm not going to hold you to 100 times, but in the approximate hundred times answer. Sure. Question. For what period of time are we talking about? Answer. During what period of time? Question. Right. Answer. Let's see. When did all this happen? What? 2007. So eight years prior to whenever he stopped flying. So question 98 or 99? Yeah, I guess so. Question. I mean, that sounds like it's right. Sounds about right. Yeah. Don't hold me to it again. All right. You're going back a long way. Question. So, from approximately the 98, 99 time frame when Jeffrey Epstein would fly to Little St. James, would you be the pilot? Yes. Okay. And you say you've been there. I thought you just told me that you've been there the same time he was there. But then I thought the subsequent question was, well, were you on the flight with him? And I thought your answer was no. Maybe I misunderstood that answer. No, you said the question was, have you ever flown to his island? We never landed on his island. We landed in St. Thomas. Question. Got it. I was just trying to be exact. Question. Thank you. It's a small island. Question. Okay, so how is it that when Mr. Epstein wants to go to Little St. James, what is the path that you take to actually get to the island of Little St. James? I don't understand the question Vasotsky asks. Question. Well, you just told me you fly the airplane to St. Thomas, right? Right. Question. And then what? Then sometimes I would get the helicopter, or he could take a boat to the island, but normally the helicopter is located on St. Thomas. I'd fire up the helicopter, come pick him up, drop him at the island and come back to St. Thomas. Question. And when he stays on St. James, you drop him off on St. James. I suppose you're going to tell me you don't know if he stays there or not? Exactly. Question. But do you stay? Answer. I don't. I mean, he's cut off by Edwards. Well, he either stays there or someone else picks him up in a helicopter or he swims away. Answer correct. Question. Okay, you stay on St. Thomas. Answer yes. Question. Okay, is there a place that you've stayed in St. James ever? Answer. No, never. Question. So in the hundred or more times that you've been to the island, is it my understanding that each of these times you. You've been there to drop off Jeffrey Epstein or any passengers, and you immediately left and gone to St. Thomas? Yes, sir. You've never been inside the home that's located on St. James? Yes, I've been inside the home. How many times have you been inside the home? I mean, 10, 15 times? And for what occasion? I've set up the theater system that's in the living room. Okay? So it would be there to hook up a TV and work. Or a stereo. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here. In the next episode. We're gonna pick up where we left off. And if you think that Larry Vasaski's deposition is revealing, wait till we get around to Adriana Ross. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. Too fast, Trevor. Too fast.
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Bradley Edwards
Shh. They're here.