Mega Edition: The Deposition Of Epstein's Chief Pilot Larry Visoski (4-6) (4/4/26)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Epstein Chronicles

Episode: Mega Edition – The Deposition of Epstein’s Chief Pilot Larry Visoski (4-6)

Host: Bobby Capucci
Main Content: Deposition (2009) – Brad Edwards questioning Larry Visoski
Release Date: April 4, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this "Mega Edition," host Bobby Capucci delivers an in-depth look at the 2009 deposition of Larry Visoski, longtime chief pilot for Jeffrey Epstein. The core of this episode is the detailed questioning by attorney Brad Edwards, seeking to clarify who flew with Epstein, the nature of relationships among key associates, and what, if anything, Visoski witnessed regarding criminal allegations surrounding Epstein’s activities. The conversation provides rare, firsthand insight into Epstein's close circle, flight operations, passenger lists, and the pilot’s own perspectives—a valuable contribution to understanding the scope and blind spots of Epstein’s transcontinental criminal conspiracy.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

The Deposition Format

• The episode is largely a direct transcript of the deposition, interspersed with commentary and quick transitions as Bobby Capucci frames the context.
• Attorney Brad Edwards asks the majority of questions; Visoski answers while lawyers for other parties occasionally object.

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1. Relationships with Key Epstein Associates

Les Wexner

• [01:07]
  • Brad Edwards: “Do you know Les Wexner?”
  • Visoski: “No, I don’t.”
  • “I’ve seen them speak to one another at the foot of the airplane.”
  • Never flew Wexner as a passenger.

Sarah Kellen

• [01:35]
  • Kellen was a frequent passenger for "hundreds of flights."
  • Visoski clarifies he was introduced to her either by someone else or herself and had known her ~6 years.
  • Only interacted with her professionally, mostly for flight scheduling.
  • Recent contact involved discussing carpet for Epstein’s helicopter.
  • Notable quote: “She would call me to schedule the aircraft for a departure.” ([02:15])

Nadia Marcinkova

• [03:22]
  • Known for about 4–5 years, flew with Epstein frequently.
  • Asked if Nadia was among Epstein’s five closest people: “I’d only be guessing and speculating… I have no idea.”
  • Recent helicopter flight included Epstein and Nadia from West Palm Beach to Miami for what Epstein said was a legal meeting.
  • [04:58] Confirmed neither Epstein nor Nadia spoke during the flight, described as “typical” due to the noisy environment.

Ghislaine Maxwell

• Used to fly with Epstein but “not for some time.”
  • Visoski knows little about the nature of Maxwell and Epstein’s relationship.

Virginia Roberts (Giuffre)

• [33:53]
  • Remembers the name from logs, but no memory of her personally or any details.

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2. Patterns of Passengers and Operations

Frequent Fliers

• Kellen and Marcinkova named as the most common repeated passengers over the years.
• Maxwell mentioned often, especially in earlier years.
• Visoski repeatedly demurs on knowledge of any deeper relationships—focusing on his job as pilot.

Flight Logistics

• Helicopter flights between Palm Beach and Miami, usually for maintenance or meetings.
• Planes flown “on a fairly regular basis” with numerous people.

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3. Nature of Conversations and Observed Behavior

• Visoski rarely socialized or overheard meaningful conversations among Epstein and associates in flight.
• [12:52] “One thing that comes to mind would be make sure we have Oreo cookies on the airplane. It would be something completely nonchalant.”
• No recollection of discussions about massages or anything relevant to allegations.
  • “I have no knowledge of that.” ([13:02]) regarding any massage scheduling.

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4. Knowledge and Opinions on Epstein’s Conduct

• Visoski testifies he did not believe allegations of sexual activity with underage girls at the time.
  • [14:00–16:15] Lengthy dispute between attorneys regarding the relevance of Visoski’s personal opinions.
  • Edwards: “Do you believe that Jeffrey Epstein has engaged in sex with underage girls?”
  • Visoski: “I don’t believe he had sex with underage women.”
• Pressed repeatedly, he maintains: “I have no reason to believe that.”
• Lawyers frequently interrupt to object and limit answers to personal knowledge.

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5. Passenger Lists and High-Profile Names

Bill Clinton

• [29:32]
  • Clinton flew “10 or 20 times” according to logs and pilot’s recollection.
  • Secret Service and unidentified males/females often accompanied him.
  • Edwards: “Do you remember him being on the airplane with younger girls?”
    • Visoski: “No.” ([31:09])
  • Unclear how Clinton (or other VIPs) arranged flights; Visoski claims ignorance of specific arrangements.
  • Additional frequent passengers include Doug Band (Clinton aide), Jean Luc Brunel, and others.

Cindy Lopez

• Appears multiple times in flight logs but Visoski does not recall who she is, illustrating the large, nondescript passenger-list problem.

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6. Miscellaneous Insights

• Visoski unaware of Epstein’s exact business dealings or how he made money, despite 18 years working as his pilot.
  • [19:35]
    • “So in the 18 years of traveling and being a pilot… you have no idea what he does in terms of how he makes money?”
    • “No, sir.”
• Little recollection of guests unless they were regulars or distinctive in appearance (e.g., Jean Luc Brunel’s “loud colors”).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On being introduced to Sarah Kellen:

  • “She may have introduced herself. I mean, you're going back a ways. I don't know the official introduction, how it went.” ([01:57])

• On Epstein’s interests:

  • “Has Jeffrey ever indicated to you that he is fascinated or infatuated or appreciates or loves or likes massages?”
    • “I have no knowledge of that.” ([13:01])

• On flight arrangements:

  • “If it's leaving… sometimes [Sarah Kellen] will say who's going, sometimes she won't. On a case where President Clinton would be on board, we would put a little extra catering on board or do that little extra TLC to the aircraft.” ([30:33])

• On not knowing details of passengers:

  • “If she walked in here right now, I would probably look right through her, to be honest.” ([21:08])
  • “The passengers in the back are so far removed from the operation of commanding an airplane. That is nothing that sticks out in your head.” ([33:58])

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Topic | |---------------|--------------------------------------------------------| | 01:01 | Start of deposition: Visoski on Les Wexner & Kellen | | 03:22 | Nadia Marcinkova’s background and helicopter flight | | 12:52 | Nature of in-flight conversations; mention of Oreos | | 13:57 | Visoski’s awareness/opinion on allegations | | 19:35 | Visoski admits no knowledge of Epstein’s business | | 21:08 | Cindy Lopez and issues with passenger recall | | 29:32 | Bill Clinton's flights, Secret Service, arrangements | | 31:09 | Denial of remembering Clinton with young girls | | 33:53 | Virginia Roberts, memory gaps | | 33:58 | Cockpit focus/explains no awareness of back of plane |

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Tone and Language

• The language is direct, sometimes clinical, with legal formalities due to the deposition format.
• Visoski answers are guarded and factual, emphasizing his focus on professional duties as a pilot.
• Brad Edwards presses for specificity and personal observation, often running into objections.
• Lawyers’ interjections underscore contentiousness and the limits of witness testimony.

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Conclusion

This episode offers a granular, unvarnished look at what Epstein’s chief pilot knew (and more often did not know or would not say) about the infamous financier’s movements, social contacts, and inner circle. While Visoski underscores the mundane, routine nature of most flights—and his distance from any criminality in the back of the plane—his testimony foregrounds the secrecy and compartmentalization that enabled Epstein’s operations to evade scrutiny for years. The episode is essential listening for anyone seeking to parse fact from rumor in the ongoing Epstein saga.

Transcript

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[Brad Edwards]

And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're getting right back to the Larry vasoski deposition from 2009, and once again, Brad Edwards is doing the questioning and Mr. Vasoski is doing the answering. Question and do you know Les Wexner? Answer no, I don't. Question have you ever met him before? I've met him. Do you know of the relationship between Les and Jeffrey Epstein? I don't know what to what extent they have a relationship? No. Do you know if they know one another? I don't know that for a fact, but I don't know. How do you know they talk to one another? I've seen them speak to one another at the foot of the airplane. Question alright. Have you ever flown the airplane, any of the airplanes with Les Wexner as a passenger? No. Have you ever flown an airplane with Sarah Kellen as a passenger? Yes. And do you know Sarah Kellen? Yes. And for how long have you known Sarah Kellen? I'm guessing six years. I mean, don't hold me to it. I'm not the greatest on length of times, but six, seven years I think. How did you meet her? I guess I was introduced. She was on a flight of ours. You were introduced to her by whom? She may have introduced herself. I mean, you're going back a ways. I don't know the official introduction, how it went. And to your knowledge, what is her Is she still associated or affiliated in some way with Jeffrey Epstein? Mr. Critten? I would assume so. I don't know to what level or what her actual job description is. Brad Edwards all right. Well, how many flights have you flown where she and Jeffrey Epstein have been passengers together on one of the airplanes that we've been discussing. I'd only be guessing once again. We're talking hundreds of flights, though. Sure, sure. Lots of flights, it seems to me. I. I mean, you seem like somebody who has common sense. It seems like somebody that knows Jeffrey Epstein. Mr. Critten, objects form Brad. Correct. Sarah Kellen? Yes. All right. And do you believe that there is a business relationship there or a personal relationship there from your observations? I'd only be speculating. When they get on the airplane, my focus is forward and flying safely, so I don't know. You know, I'd only be guessing as either one of those two. Question okay. Have you ever socialized with Sarah Kellen? No. Question Other than speaking with her on the airplane, have you spoken with her elsewhere? Answer over the phone in passing. I mean, walking down the street in New York, I mean. Yes. Question why would you call Sarah Kellen or why would she call you? She would call me to schedule the aircraft for a departure. Question and have you ever called her? Answer yes. Question when was the last time you talked to Sarah Kellen? Answer A week ago. Question what was the occasion? We were discussing carpet for one of the aircraft. Question and where was she when you were talking with her? I don't know. I was over the phone. Question did she call you or you call her? No, I called her on her cell. Okay. And that's a New York number? Answer I don't know. It's on speed dial. Do you have your phone with you? Yes. Could you tell me what the number is? Answer sure. Question thanks. Answer sure. And he gives the number. Question which airplanes were you discussing carpeting for? Answer was actually it was for the helicopter, now that I'm thinking about it, the helicopter. Question in the last two years, did you tell me the helicopter was flown? Yes. And where to? I have flown the helicopter to Fort Lauderdale on several occasions for maintenance. I have flown it to Miami and I try to fly the helicopter at least every two weeks, just either by myself to run it up to its. It's important that it keeps moving. Other than the maintenance type flights, have you flown the helicopter in the last couple of years? Yes. And who was on the helicopter? Answer I flew to Miami with Mr. Epstein. Question when was that? Answer it was a couple of weeks ago or a month ago, I think. Question for what? Answer Sorry. Question for what occasion? Answer I think he had a meeting with his attorneys in Miami. Today is October 15th. Is this during the month of October that you had this flight in the helicopter with Mr. Epstein. I'd have to look at the book to be exact for you. Question. Okay, but it's either the end of September or the beginning of October. Answer. Yeah. Question how do you know that he was meeting with his attorneys? Answer. I believe that he mentioned that he was meeting with his attorneys. Question did he tell you why? Answer no. Question. Did he tell you he was meeting with his attorneys? Did you ask him? Answer no. Question. Okay, that's just something that he said to you in conversation? Yes, sir. Was there anyone else on the airplane Besides you and Mr. Epstein? Yes. Who is that? Nadia. Nadia who? Nadia Marcinkova. How long have you known Nadia Marcinkova? I don't know. Five years, I guess. Again, four or five years. Do you know if there is a relationship between her and Jeffrey Epstein? Answer. I don't know. Question. Do you know if she knows Jeffrey Epstein? Answer. I would assume so. They talk. I would imagine she knows him. Question and how many times has she been on the airplane or the helicopters on flights at the same time as a passenger with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer Many. I'd have to look at the logs. Question Hundreds of times. Critten interjects here form and to that Vassalski answers, sure. Edwards, if we're going to, as somebody who has been Jeffrey Epstein's pilot for 18 years, tell me today that the five closest people are to Jeffrey Epstein, would Nadia be one of them? Mr. Critten once again objects form the witness. I'd only be guessing and speculating. I have no idea. Okay, well, as his pilot and the person who travels with Jeffrey Epstein on the majority of his flights, who are the people who travel most frequently with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer. I'd have to look at the logs. Reinhardt objects here. Can we get a time period? Brad Edwards, in the last 10 years, which people travel most frequently with him? Answer. I'd have to look at the flight logs to give you an accurate answer. Question. You can't give me one single name of somebody you would say is a frequent flier? Answer. Sarah Sara Kellen? Yes. Anybody else? Nadia. Nadia Marcinkova? Yeah. Anybody else? Just mainly those two. How about Ghislaine Maxwell? Not for some time. What's your understanding between the relationship of Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein? I don't really know. Alright, so when you say you're guessing that Nadia Marcinkova and Sarah Kellen know or are associated with Jeffrey Epstein, that guessing is being made on time with the observation that they have been frequent fliers with Jeffrey Epstein on more than 100 of flights. On his private plane? Yes, that's what I'm basing it on. And do you know where Nadia Marcinkova is staying these days? No. Do you know what car she's driving these days? No, I don't. Do you know if she's living with Jeffrey Epstein these days? No, I don't. Do you know how Nadia Marcinkova met Jeffrey Epstein? I don't. Were you on an international flight bringing her into the country from some other country at any time? I don't know. Mr. Reinhart, can we clarify? You mean with Epstein or Brad Edwards? No. Did you ever bring Nadia Marcinkova from some foreign country to the United States? I'd have to look at the logbooks. Honest. Honestly, that's not something you to remember? No. I mean, she. I think she's been on Europe trips with us, and I think she's returned from Europe with us, but I cannot say that honestly. Question. On this recent helicopter flight with Nadia Marcinkova and Jeffrey Epstein, did you talk with them during the flight? No. Where did the flight go from? And obviously it landed in Miami. But where did you leave from? West Palm Beach. And did Nadia and Jeffrey arrive together? You know, I don't remember. I was out at the helicopter and I think both started walking up. So I don't know if they came separately or not. I was already at the helicopter. How long is the flight from Palm beach to Miami? 25 minutes. Question. And did they talk to one another during that flight? Answer. No. Question. They were both completely silent during that flight? Answer. Yes. Question. Is that typical when they are on flights together, especially with a helicopter, where you're in pretty close quarters, that they would sustain from speaking to one another? And this brings another objection from Mr. Critten form Vasoski. Yeah, it would be typical. It's very noisy, and communicating in a helicopter is, you know, not that comfortable. Edwards, over the last five or six years that you have known or been familiar with Nadia Marcinkova, have you heard her or Jeffrey Epstein conversing with one another? Answer. I've heard them conversing, but if you asked me what they had said, I could say it. I wouldn't even know what they talk to each other about. I've seen them talking to each other. Question. But don't remember a single specific conversation between Jeffrey Epstein and Nadia Marsenkova? An honest answer. No. Question. Okay. And the same for Sara Kellen. Have you seen or have you seen Jeffrey Epstein speak with Sarah Kellen? I've seen him speak with her? Yes. Can you tell me a single specific conversation that you have overheard between Jeffrey Epstein and Sarah Kellen?

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Answer one thing that comes to mind would be make sure we have Oreo cookies on the airplane. It would be something completely nonchalant. Okay. And do you know or have reason to know of any employment relationship between Sarah Kellen and Jeffrey Epstein? I have no knowledge of any of that. Do you know if Sarah Kellen works for Jeffrey Epstein? I do not know. Do you know if Sarah Kellen schedules massages for Jeffrey Epstein? I have no idea. Has Jeffrey ever indicated to you that he is fascinated or infatuated or appreciates or loves or likes massages? I have no knowledge of that. All right, how about Ghislaine Maxwell? Has she ever talked to you about massage therapy? Or have you ever overheard her talking about it? No. You certainly read the papers over the last couple years, correct? Not on my top 10 list. I mean, I've read a couple of articles, but I'm not one to discuss or focus on that so much as some people would. Alright, folks, we're gonna wrap up right there and in the next episode we're gonna pick up where we left off. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're picking up where we left off with the Larry vasoski deposition from 2009. Once again, Brad Edwards asking the questions and Larry Vasoski doing the answering. Question. Okay. When the investigation about Jeffrey Epstein came about, the criminal investigation, you're aware that's what I'm talking about, right? That was last year. Well, it was a couple years ago. Right. Okay. Did you speak with Jeffrey Epstein about that investigation? No. Question. Were you told not to speak to him about it? I think we knew ourselves that we weren't. It wouldn't be proper to even bring it up. All right. When you read the newspaper, the allegation that Mr. Epstein was involved with numerous underage girls for sexual reasons, were you surprised I didn't believe it? Do you believe it today? I don't believe it. You don't believe that Jeffrey Epstein was involved with underage girls in a sexual way? Critton objects form. You're asking for my opinion, and I don't think my opinion is relevant in that matter. Brad Edwards, I think it's relevant. Can you just tell me whether today you believe that Jeffrey Epstein has engaged in sex with underage girls? Critten objects again. Form. Speculation. Irrelevant. Always. Vasoski. It's irrelevant. Edwards, I need an answer. I don't believe he had sex with underage women. Question. Or engaged in sexual acts with underage women. Mr. Critten objects again. Form. No. Brad Edwards, you think that this is a story that's just a bunch of underage women that have made it up? Answer. Speculation. Critten. Objection. Now, it's argumentative. Who gives a damn what he thinks one way or another if he has personal knowledge to that? Edwards interrupts. You're objecting to the form. Kritten. It's argumentative. Edwards. You're objecting to the form? Kritten yes. Edwards. Okay, question. Is that something that you believe, that a bunch of women, some of which know each other, some don't, some of which who have been on the airplane, and some which haven't made this up, that Jeffrey Epstein engaged in some sexual conduct with them? Critten, once again, objects. Form. Pasoski was what I believe doesn't matter in this case, does it? And to that Edwards responds, I need an answer. Do you believe it? Do you believe these girls made this up? Critten once again, objects, form. And now Reinhardt gets involved. I'm going to instruct him not to answer, to move on. Brad Edwards, is there privilege that we're asserting? Reinhardt no, it's Irrelevant. It's harassment and not likely to lead to discoverable evidence. Brad Edwards, I'm going to put it on the record right now that it is. We're allowed discovery into a RICO count. We're also allowed discovery into the intent of Mr. Epstein in developing a criminal enterprise designed to sexually exploit and sexually abuse underage girls. We believe that in doing so, he associated intentionally with people of similar beliefs that sex with underage girls is okay, and that there may have been many discussions with this witness, as well as many other witnesses with, to ensure his protection from law enforcement that they not answer these specific questions. And thus the opinion and beliefs of all these witnesses that we are alleging associated with this criminal enterprise are certainly reasonably calculated to lead to the discovery of admissible evidence. And if you're still instructing the witness based on that proffer not to answer any of these questions, I'm going to continue to ask the questions and you can instruct them not to answer. And, and we can go to the court. Reinhardt answers. My response is to his opinion. Whether people making allegations in this case are colluding or making up a story is irrelevant to what you just said. So I'm going to instruct him not to answer any question that goes to his opinion of someone else's motivation or the truth of facts to which he has no knowledge. So, yes, I'm instructing him not to answer. Kritten adds up, let me add in my part is that I think you're certainly not only capable to ask questions with regard to what his personal knowledge is and if he knows something or he has reasonable basis for it, certainly you are entitled to that information. I think you've asked those questions and he's given you straightforward answers as to what he knew or what he didn't know under the circumstances and as to what his thoughts are on something which has no factual basis or even an assumption to know one way or the other is. Is irrelevant. That's ultimately, for a fact finder in this case, while it's interesting, it's argumentative. And I don't think he. I mean, do it on a question by question basis. If he has knowledge, that's great. But to argue your case with this witness or any other witness doesn't serve a purpose. And I think it is, you know, I think it's not a good use of our time, I'll put it that way. But, you know, you can go ahead and ask Edwards. I can ask a question if the witness is being instructed not to answer. Will let a Judge, decide whether he needs to answer the question and whether it's discoverable or not. Reinhardt. Absolutely. Make your record. Brad Edwards, do you have any reason to believe that Jeffrey Epstein engaged in sexual activity with underage women? I have no reason to believe that question. Okay, so as you sit here today, Based on your 18 years of knowledge, experience and observation of Jeffrey Epstein, is it your belief that he has not had sex with or engaged in sexual activity with underage women? Answer. It's an opinion, and I believe that he is not. Question. Okay. Isn't it true that at some point in time you learn that Jeffrey Epstein has. Strike that. Mr. Critten objects again. When you ultimately get to a good place to break, will you let us know? Brad Edwards, let's break now. So they go to their break and then they come back. Edwards. All right. Eighteen years of being a pilot for Jeffrey Epstein, and in terms of being able to name somebody that you would say you've observed with Jeffrey Epstein and you classify that people as Jeffrey Epstein's friend. Can you name somebody? Anybody? Answer. Nadia or Sarah? Just people that we see routinely on the airplane. That's people you see routinely in the last five to ten years, right? Yes. Prior to that time, anybody that you've noticed as Jeffrey Epstein's friend? Maybe. What time frame is that? A person that at some point in time you would classify as Jeffrey Epstein's friend? I would classify it. I don't know if it's true, but that's only because they were on the airplane together. Yes. Do you know what Jeffrey Epstein does for a living in your 18 years of observing and talking with Jeffrey Epstein? No. No idea? No. Ever asked them? No, actually. Ever been curious? Sure. Ever done anything to satisfy that curiosity? If you mean Google it, not really, actually. I mean, I really have not. Okay. So in the 18 years of traveling and being a pilot and driving and taking this person, Jeffrey Epstein, from one property in New York to New Mexico and Florida and. And around the world, you have no idea what he does in terms of how he makes money? No, sir. I was produced as Flight Log. Tell me if I'm using the wrong term. What is this called, this book that I've been provided by Dave Rogers? I've never seen that book. I'll let you see it. I don't know what it is. It's always in a book. So maybe that's why you haven't seen it. Tell me what we're looking at. Well, judging with the name at the bottom, I. I believe this is Dave's flight logbook. I didn't know if it was called a flight log. A pilot logbook. How's that? That's the appropriate name. It was marked as composite Exhibit 1 in the Rogers deposition as indicated by the exhibit sticker. We'll mark it the same in your deposition as well. Crichton, why don't you refer to it as his? Edwards Fine. If the pilot log book of Dave Rogers Answer yes. Question and the years provided in this book are 2002 through 2005, I can represent that to you. I'm going to ask you about certain people that David Rogers wrote down as being on the airplane and want and I want to ask you if you know who they are. This person right here is Cindy Lopez. It seems like she flew on a number of flights. Do you know who that is? Answer no. I heard the name, but I don't know who she is. Alright, Is that somebody that you remember seeing on any of the flights that you were on? What year we talking about? I don't remember. Well, this is January 2002. You'd probably know how to read this book a little bit better than me. So I don't know. He keeps a lot more current so I know the name. If she walked in here right now, I would probably look right through her, to be honest. Do you know what affiliation or relationship she had with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer no Question okay, there are various. Each row, I'm told by David Rogers is a different flight and it indicates where it takes off from and where it lands, etc. There's a lot of other information, especially over on this side of the page, that I'm not familiar with, nor do I need to be Answer Right, but it's evident that the plane is being used at least for this time period, January of 2002 through 2005, on a fairly regular basis. I mean we're looking at January 6th, 11th, 13th, 13th, 14th, right? Uh huh. I mean is that something that you would say accurately reflects the amount of use Jeffrey Epstein's planes? Yes. So he travels quite frequently. Yes. Question and he travels with many different people, right? Critten Once again, objects form Vasotski Answers Yes, Critten Can I ask one question? I was wondering what happened who was in possession of now what's the original Exhibit 1 of Mr. Rogers deposition? Did you retain it, Mr. Reinhart? The actual book itself, Edwards the court reporter took it. Right? The one marked as an exhibit. Did you keep it, Mr. Reinhart? This is it, Edwards this is it. Critten who took it from the deposition the other day. Edwards I have this one right now. Reinhardt that's the only copy. Edwards okay. Critten, so you took the original. Edwards apparently it has the original sticker. Critten When I say the original, I mean the original copy. Would you have somebody recreate that what you've got and send it to us so we have it? Edwards sure. In fact, why don't I wait until I get the whole thing and and I'll copy the pages and send it to you instead of piecemeal? Mr. Horowitz you mean before the transcript comes? Edwards we can copy it. Critten if you give it to me, I'll copy it and send it back to you. Reinhart I have a copy. It just doesn't have the exhibit sticker on it.

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[Brad Edwards]

to me the other day. That's why I took it. I want something, I just don't want it. If you give me the copy, I'll put a sticker on it. Reinhart. Or I'll just copy the page that has the exhibit sticker on it. Critten. Sorry, Edwards. Like on this flight we have JE I'm assuming that's Jeffrey Epstein, Correct. Vassalski answers once again. Now that the back and forth is done with the lawyers. Yes, I'll assume Question GM Glenn Maxwell, right? Yes. SK Sarah Kellen. I would assume. I mean, okay. And then this name, do you recognize that person? Alexia. Never heard it. Vasoski answers question and then Cindy Lopez. Answer yes, you've heard the name? I've heard the name. Not sure who it is though. No. There's only 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 people on that flight. Uh huh. That's pretty typical of the amount of passengers that you would have on a flight. It varied, sure. Okay. But it varied between, if we look at a few lines down, Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell were the only two passengers. Certainly there were flights like that as well, right? Uh huh. Question and so it varied from having one or two people to six or seven people, right? Yes. What's the most people that you remember traveling on any of Jeffrey Epstein's airplanes? 25. Okay. That would be a rarity, wouldn't you say? Oh yeah, because I've looked through the log. I haven't seen any place where there was 25, but there are lines that might have been eight or nine people listed. Right. Question. Let's see, there is a flight from January 15th. Sorry, January 17th, January 20th, January 22nd of 2002 that all had Cindy Lopez. That doesn't serve to refresh your recollection as to who that is, does it? No. Okay. Do you know what the purpose of her being on the airplane flight along with Jeffrey Epstein, Glenn Maxwell and Sarah Kellen would be? No question. Okay. Do you know how it comes about that Cindy Lopez gets on that flight? How did she even know that there's a flight available? Question I don't know. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up where he left off with Larry vasoski's deposition from 2009. Once again, Brad Edwards asking the questions and Larry Vasoski doing the answering. Question alright, well let's go down to somebody that we may all know a little bit better. February 9, 2002 There's a flight that has Bill Clinton, four Secret Service agents and then instead of listing names or initials or anything else, it just listed as two males, one female. Jeffrey Epstein, Glenn Maxwell, Sarah Kellen. I forget who Dave Rogers told me AP is. Do you remember who that is? No. Okay, either way, how is it that someone like Bill Clinton gets on Jeffrey Epstein's flight? Mr. Critten objects form I don't know. Brad Edwards, do you know before the flight takes off that Bill Clinton's going to be a passenger on that flight? Yes. Question and how do you know? How do you get that information? Answer the day before I get a phone call from say Sarah saying we're leaving tomorrow, going to wherever. And sometimes she'll say who's going, sometimes she won't. On a case where President Clinton would be on board, we would put a little extra catering on board or do that little extra TLC to the aircraft. Question if it's leaving, this says it's leaving from Miami and where is it landing? Answer hpn, I believe is White Plains. Question okay, do you remember that flight? Answer I remember being on it. Question well, I mean if you look through it here, obviously you had Bill Clinton on the airplane 10 or 20 times, right? Answer yeah, he's my main focus. I remember him being on the aircraft. Sure. Question do you remember him being on the airplane with younger girls? To this Mr. Critten objects form Vasoski responds no. Question okay, do you know how his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. No. Question do you know if they were friends? Assuming Question but you're assuming why just because he's on the plane. Yeah. Question okay, so you assume that people that are on listed here are friends of Jeffrey Epstein and that's why they're riding on his plane. I'm speculating. I'm just not familiar with the because I've never been on a private flight with the manner in which you go about getting people on one of these flights. I mean you have to I guess know that Jeffrey Epstein has a plane and that it's going to from a destination that you are at and want to go to and that it's available all those kinds of things. Can you tell me? Enlighten me. Well, it's not publicly offered. No. It would be no different than you jumping in your car and knowing that you're going to the mall. I mean, it's not public information. You know where planes are coming to and from and you don't put your name out there to get on board a flight. Does Jeffrey Epstein charge these people as passengers? Answer. I don't know. Okay. Are these people such as Bill Clinton? Does that mean that Bill Clinton called Sarah Kellen or somebody affiliated with Jeffrey Epstein to get on the plane? Or did Jeffrey Epstein call Bill Clinton and ask him if he wants a ride? Mr. Critten. Objection. Form predicate. I have no idea. Brad Edwards. No idea. No idea whatsoever. Joe Pagano. Do you know who that is? Yes. What's his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? Or what was it back in February, March 17th of 2002, when he and Sarah Kellen and Jeffrey Epstein and Todd and one female were on the flight? I don't know to what extent or what his relationship is. He was just a passenger on the airplane. Okay. And the next day, sorry, two days later, on the 19th of March, Bill Clinton flies again, this time with three Secret Service agents. Jeffrey Epstein, Glenn Maxwell and Sarah Kellen. Do you remember that flight? Where do we go? Starts in JFK, right? Where is that? Mr. Critten, do you have a date? Brad Edwards, March 19, 2002. Eggw, I believe is Luton, England. Okay. Do you remember flying to England? I do remember flying to England. I just don't remember that trip. What airplane were we in? Were we in the Boeing? Do you remember the purpose of the trip? No. Do you know who Doug Band is? I heard he's Clinton. How would you say? I mean, I've seen that in the newspaper, seen it on cnn. Ok. Did you ever hear that Doug Band and Glain Maxwell were together even for a day or a night? No. Did you ever hear that Doug Band and Glenn Maxwell were the people attributed to introducing Bill Clinton and. And Jeffrey Epstein? Mr. Critten, objects form. I don't know, Brad. All right. There's another flight here in January. I can't read this upside down. Maybe it says May. Looks like Edwards. 22nd, 2002. Again with President Bill Clinton. Janice, Jessica. Can you tell me who Janice and Jessica are? I don't remember. Would you know them if you saw them? Probably not, because the names don't even ring a bell. Alright. And then there are plenty of flights, many of flights where Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell and Sarah Kellen are the primary passengers or at least are some of the passengers on the flights, correct? Yes. And still as you sit here, you being the pilot of these flights, you're not sure what their relationship is or whether any of them were socially connected and in any real way. Another objection from Mr. Critten. No. When you're flying the airplane, there's a lot more going on than passenger relations. Brad Edwards. Alright. You remember this person, Virginia Roberts. Are you familiar with her at all? I remember the name. That's it. What do you think her relationship is to Jeffrey Epstein? No idea. Mr. Critten. What dates are you on bread, Mr. Edwards? Oh, sorry. I'm at June 21, 2002. That's not somebody that you specifically remember? No. No. Is that somebody you think was a regular flyer for any period of time on Jeffrey Epstein's plane or in his life? Not a regular Edwards. We're referring to the same flight on June 21st of 2002. That includes Jean Luc Brunel, Virginia Roberts, Jeffrey Epstein, Glenn Maxwell, Sarah Kellen. Those are the passengers of this flight. Does that serve to jog your memory as to who Virginia Roberts is? No. I mean, you see how frequently we fly. I mean, the passengers in the back are so far removed from the operation of commanding an airplane. Like that is nothing that sticks out in your head. And you as the pilot, is there any way that you would know what's going on in the back of your airplane? No. My concerns are all in the cockpit, Mr. Critten. Brad, the last one that you mentioned, was that the same day, 6-21-02? Edwards. Yes. There's another name here that I was going to ask you. Do you know June 23, 2002? Juliana Barbosa? Are you familiar with that name? No. Also on the same flight log with Jean Luc Bruno. That doesn't help jog your memory either, right? No. That somebody as a frequent passenger, who are you referring to? Juliana Barboza. No. Dr. Jarecki. Is that somebody that you remember flying? I know the name. He may have been on the airplane once or twice. I'm guessing only. Do you remember meeting him? Yes, I have met him. Do you remember his purpose for being on the airplane? No, sir. Amanda, do you remember her purpose for being on the airplane? No. Reinhart. Can we get a date? I was just asking him if he remembered Amanda Venaro. I wasn't referring to specific flights. Do you remember her being on the flight? I don't remember the name. Me showing you the flight Isn't going to jog the memory.

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They're here. Answer no. The name that would launch it. First. Can I ask you a question? You have the original exhibit marked at the deposition. It looks like it's been highlighted. Brad Edwards. I highlighted it. Okay, so you've highlighted the original exhibit that's marked for the deposition. I just want the record to reflect. Yeah, okay. Thank you, Edwards. At the time I highlighted it, I didn't realize I was holding onto the original exhibit. I didn't realize that until you just Pointed it out, Mr. Critten. I've noticed that, Edwards. So now when I give it to you, I'm giving you my work product as well. I don't see how this works against you, but anyway. Melissa Stahl. Is that a name that you remember? No. Okay, then Jean Luc Brunel is somebody who flew relatively frequently. So is that why you think the name jogs your memory a little bit better than some of these others? He dresses uniquely. In what way? Just loud colors. So something that you would remember, that's all. Do you remember his role in Jeffrey's life? No. Have you ever heard that he was affiliated with Jeffrey Epstein because they both have a sexual attraction to underage girls? Mr. Vassaski, you're making an assumption on that. And words. Have you ever heard that? Reinhardt. He's asked you if you've ever heard that. Edwards, if your answer is no, it's no. Answer I'm sorry, I thought you said they did. No, I have not. Question okay. I keep highlighting this name, Virginia Roberts, just because it looks like somebody that's regularly flying on the airplane. But the more that you see her name, that doesn't change your opinion as to whether or not you remember her or what. Answer I remember the name, you know, that's all. Do you remember about what age he was when she was flying on the airplane? No. This could be somebody who is 50 years old or 10 years old for all you know. Mr. Crit in form. Yes. Edwards. Okay, I mean I would only be guessing at an age. Yeah, but I mean you don't remember her at all. So I remember the name other than that, right? Yes, sir. But you can't even come close to putting a face with that name. I mean, no, if you said draw a picture, I couldn't even get close to getting it. Alright, we're going to wrap up right here and in the next episode we're going to pick up where we left off. All of the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.

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