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Mega Edition: Tova Noel’s Account of the Morning Jeffrey Epstein Died (Part 7-10) (5/19/26)
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During the Office of Inspector General investigation into the death of Jeffrey Epstein at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in August 2019, correctional officer Tova Noel gave an interview describing how the morning unfolded when Epstein was...
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What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up where we left off with the Tova Noel deposition given to the OIG investigators. Question all right. So when he wasn't there, would any other lieutenant come visit the shoe? Noel when they make rounds? Question. Okay. When they make rounds and do you remember if that person was the acting or the operations lieutenant or the activities lieutenant, the person that would do those rounds? Noel I don't know. Question. You just knew that they were a lieutenant? Noel yeah. Question okay, so would you even be provided that information where there is a duty agent roster? Is that something that would be like, hey, it's up. If I need to get in contact with somebody, I can look at that roster and see who is where? Noel no, just call the lieutenant's office. Just call the lieutenant's office. Noel yeah. Question okay, and I believe you answered this, but did you have any communication with Lt. Redacted regarding Epstein at all? Noel no. Question so he never provided any special instruction with Epstein? Noel no. Question and you never. Lieutenant. Redacted. Never told you Epstein was required to have a cellmate in the shoe? Noel no. Question. Do you know who Operations Lt. Carlos redacted was from August 9th? Do you know that individual? Noel yes. Question but as the operations lieutenant, you don't know that he was responsible for overseeing the shoe on August 9, 2019? Noel I don't know. Question did you have any communication with Lt. Redacted regarding Epstein being housed at the MCC or in the shoe? Noel no question. He never did. Did Lt. Redacted ever provide you with special instructions with regard to Epstein? Noel no question did Lt. Redacted ever tell you that Epstein was required to have a cellmate while he was assigned to the shoe? Noel no. I'm going to ask you these questions with a couple people, so I just want you to, like, really think about those people and they're going to be repetitive because I know you can just simply say, I didn't have any communications. But I want you to really think about the individual and any communication that you would have had with that person with regard to Epstein and the shoe and your assignments. Okay? Noel. Okay. Question who's Lieutenant David Medina? Noel. Lieutenant. Question Lieutenant by looking at the official roster, was he on it on August 9th? Noel no question. Do you know if he was physically present at do you recall if he was physically present on August 9th? Noel no, I don't recall. Question he was reportedly on sick leave. I just want to make sure that he wasn't there. Noel okay. Question so you don't recall having any communication with him? Noel no Question all right. And did Lieutenant Medina and ever provide you with special instructions with regard to Epstein? Noel no question did Lt. Medina ever tell you that Epstein was required to have a cellmate while he was assigned to the shoe? Noel no Question and then this is who we were just referring to. Who is senior officer Specialist. Redacted. Noel an officer. Question and on August 9th, was she acting lieutenant responsible for overseeing the shoe? Noel I don't know if she was responsible for overseeing the shoe, but I know that she was acting Lieutenant. I don't know for the whole building. Question but you said that she conducted a round. Noel she did. Question okay, so if she conducted around, would that lead you to believe that she was probably hey, Lieutenant Redacted, isn't there. So she's conducting the round here. She's probably got oversight over the shoe. Noelle I don't know. It could be another lieutenant also. I don't know. Question. Okay, did she visit the SHU on August 9, 2019? Noel yeah, she did. Question and what time was she on duty on August 9? By looking at the roster, can you tell? Noel it says 8 to 4. Question I think it would just be that first page. Is that August 10th or 19th or 9th? Excuse me. Noel this is 9th. Question it just says 8 to 4pm Noel Yes. Question can you check on the lieutenant's column up top? Noel Indiscernible. Question Is their name. It should be under activities. Lieutenant Noel oh yeah, four to midnight. Question Four to midnight. Okay, so you knew that. You do recall having an interaction with her. Did she have any communication with Redacted. We're talking about now with regard to Epstein being housed within the MCC or the shu? Noel no Question no. And did she provide you with any special instruction with regard to Epstein? Noel no question. Did SOS ever tell you that Epstein was required to have a cellmate when he was assigned to the shoe? Noel no Question okay, now we're going to go on to some staff members who was present in the shoe when you worked in the shoe on August 9, 2019. So you said that you were there from 4 to midnight on August 9. Do you recall who was there? Noel Redacted and redacted. Question Just redacted and redacted. When you arrived to the shoe, was anybody else there? Do you recall replacing? Noel I don't remember who I relieved. Redacted. Do you know redacted this whole next part's Redacted. Noel Yes. Question all right. And redacted. Noel yes. Question Were either of them in the shoe on August 9, 2019? Noel redacted. Question Redacted. But while you were there. Not redacted. Noel I don't remember. But I remember redacted. Because he spoke to me. Redacted. Okay, so redacted and redacted. Are the people that you remember that were in the shoe? Noel yes. Question okay, and you said that you're a member Redacted. Speaking with you? Noel yes. Question about what? Noel he told me he placed Epstein in the shower to use the phone and he called and told me to take the phone from him. Question can you give me a little more detail on that? What do you mean? Noel so because she gets cut off, Just walk me through this is one of those ones I'll ask you to explain a little more. Can you just from start of the conversation to what you did with Epstein to the finish. Noel okay, so Epstein stays in attorney conferences all day. So I guess when it's time to use the phone, he's not present. So when he came upstairs, Redacted. Gave him a phone in the shower to use the phone and then redacted left. He called on the phone, I happened to answer and he said, hey, can you take the phone from Epstein because the time is up. So redacted. So when he gave him the phone, he left. And no one else was present with Epstein while he was on the phone? Noel no, nobody was there. Question do you know that that to be a legitimate practice? Noel I mean, it's the shoe. So yeah. Question so is no one supposed to be because the shoe is recorded line Noel I don't know. Question so you don't know if someone is calling from a non recorded line? Are you supposed to take notes of that call? Noel I don't know. Question do you know if you're supposed to log the telephone call in any kind of logbook? Noelle no. Question okay, so your understanding is redacted, gave him plugged in the line, gave him the phone and then left. Noel yes. Question no one was there to monitor. Redacted. Okay, so Noel cuts him off. We were in the shoe, but nobody was monitoring him. Question how far away from you was he when he was making this call? Noel he was on G tier and like that's far from the desk. Question Approximately do you know how to like he gets cut off by Noel I don't know. Question Is it like from here to like that fire extinguisher? Over there, or is it further? Noel no. Maybe from the wall by the EC over there. Redacted okay, so approximately 25ft. Noel huh. Question could you hear his conversation from there? Noel no question and were you asked to listen to his conversation? Noel no question. Prior to placing the call, did redacted speak to you at all? Noel no question. So just after he placed the call, he called you. And what did he say? Noel he said to take the phone from him because the time was up. Question do you know how long he was on the phone? Noel no question. Were you watching him while he was on the phone? Noel no question. Was it abnormal for an inmate to be out by himself on the phone in the shoe? Noel no. Redacted so they can just freely. That's not an abnormal circumstance? Noel no, because he wasn't free. He was in a cell. He was in a cell on the phone, but he redacted. Oh, so he was in a cell? Noel yeah, but he was. He was in the shower because the jack, where his cell is, the jack didn't work. So he was placed in the shower to use the phone there. But the shower is like a cell. Question okay, so was the door closed? Noel yes. So he was in the shower area. He was by himself? Noel yeah. Question Were the showers running? Noel no question. He was just placed there to call in the shower, cell clothes behind him. It was approximately 25ft from you. But you didn't hear anything? Noel no question and he didn't, he didn't instruct you? Noel no question did you ever experience that prior to that instance where an inmate would do that in the shoe? Noel yeah. If they have to use the phone and where their cell is, it's not working, they place them in there because you have to plug it in close to where they can have access to the phone. Redacted okay, so in their cells, do they have cell lines that they can typically call from? Noel no Question Are the inmates provided anything to be able to make calls? Noel no question Some kind of card pass or number or, like something to be able to. Nicole oh, like a pack and. Yeah. Question okay, can you explain what that is? Noel I mean, I don't know too much about it. I just know that they have a PIN that they can use to use the phone? Question okay, do you know if Epstein had that PIN to use the phone? Noel I don't know. Question but specifically, with regard to the shower, having an inmate call from the shower, have you ever experienced that before? Noel yes. Question when was the last Time you had experienced that prior to August 9th? Noelle if the Jack is not working, the jack that's closest to their door, if it's not working, then it's being plugged at the bottom where the shower is. You place them in in the shower just so they can reach the phone. Redacted. And do you know if that's an authorized practice? Noel? I don't know. Question. Okay. Did you ever place anybody in the shower to do that? Noel no Question. No. Noel. No question. Who typically does that? Noelle? The officers. Question okay, but not you, right? Noel no question. Would you ever allow inmates to place calls you personally? Noel When I come on, they have already like got their phone calls. Question. Oh, okay. So it's not typically one of your responsibilities? Noel. No question. What was unique about this situation with Epstein? Noel. Well, I guess because he's always downstairs so they made an exception for him to make a call. Alright folks, we're gonna wrap up right here. And in the next episode we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right back in to the Toveno well deposition that was given to the OIG inspectors. Question. Okay, do we need to take a break? Mr. Foy do you need to use the bathroom or anything? Noel no. Foy. We can continue. Question. Okay, great. All right, so what were redacted's instructions? You said that his or he his time was up. So how much time is he allotted? Noel. I don't know. Question. Do you know how long he was in the shower? Noel. I don't know. Question. You don't know? Was it like five minutes, ten minutes? Noel. It wasn't five minutes. He was in there for maybe 30 minutes. Redacted. 20 minutes. Okay, and where was redacted? Noel? He was gone. Question. Like left the shoe altogether? Noel. Yeah. Question. So he placed him in the shoe and he left. Where did he call you from in order to say to get the phone from him? Noel. A phone in the building. I don't know where because it doesn't say where. Like the phone rang and I answered and he just told me to take the phone from Epstein. His time is up. Question. Is that weird to you at all that he again, he gave someone a phone but put them in the shower and then he left? Noel no question. That's not weird? Noel. No question. But without providing anybody, did you know if he provided anybody instructions prior to him departing the shoe? Noel I don't know. Question. You don't know? Noel no. Question. Who else was in the shoe with you at that time? Noel Redacted and redacted Question and did you recall went around that took place? Noel like the time? Question Yup. Noel it had to be around after 8pm because that's the time he comes back from attorney conference. Okay, so around 8pm ish. Noel after question after 8pm ish. Noel yeah. Question okay, are you able to look was redacted assigned to the shoe when he gave him his phone call? Noel no Question. Where was he assigned? That's fine. Do you know what redacted. Why redacted went to the shoe in the first place? Was he escorting Epstein back from his attorneys? Noel I'm not sure. So you don't know the reason why he actually entered the shoe? Noelle no, I don't know. Question do you remember if you walked into the shoe with Epstein and immediately placed him into the shower area or do you think that he went and retrieved Epstein from his cell? Noel no, he didn't retrieve him from his cell. He came in and said that he was going to give him a phone call. Question so he was with him at the time? Noel yeah. And he placed him in the shower. Question so do you recall then if he walked in the shoe with Epstein? Noel I don't know if he walked in with him, but after. Because you could come in and he could have been. There is a holding cell there. That's why I'm saying I don't know. And then he came in after with him. But from that door to the shower, he walked in with redacted Question okay, so Epstein wasn't in his own cell. Noel. No question. He could have potentially been in a holding cell. Noel yeah. Question all right. But you don't know who brought Epstein back there? Noel no, because somebody could have brought him up and then. So I don't know. Question okay, now, in order to get into the shoe though, either you redacted or redacted had to open the door. Do you remember who opened the door on that day? Noel I don't know. Question it was not you? Noel no Question okay, and I'm sorry, you may have said this, and I do apologize. What time did redacted and redacted work there until Noel? Redacted was 4 to 12 and redacted was 2 to 10. Question okay, and what was the hierarchy with the three of you that were present at the time? Is there someone that was in charge as an officer in charge or how does that work when you're working together with those two other individuals? Noel. I don't know who was in charge. We just kind of worked together that day. But I don't know as far as who is the. She gets cut off. Is everyone considered equals when you're working together? Noel. Well, I'm the newest person there, so I don't know how long they've been there. But she gets cut off by the investigator. Does. Then when you work with someone else, is it based upon how long they've been with the bureau? Noel. No question. I know you're saying you're the newest, so you might ask them questions, but is there like when there's three of you in there, is there someone that's supposed to be in charge? Are you all equally? He gets cut off by Noel on the roster. It'll say who is supposed to be in charge. Question. Okay, so indiscernible. Noel. But that doesn't mean necessarily that's not necessarily the case. Question. On the roster on August 9th of those three people, who does it say should have been in charge? It's on the first page. It's on the first page. If you look all the way to the left, redacted. C shoe assignments. And then you can look over to the right and see their names. Noel. I'm looking for redacted. I don't see that question. Really quick. Can I just show her how this reads? Redacted. Absolutely. Noel. Oh, I see him here. Question by the union rep. So sorry. Most of what they're asking you would be on page one and page two. Right. So these are your shifts and these are your posts and then these are the people who work that shift too. If morning watch 3, 6 to 2, 6 and 8 is day watch. This is the PM 12 to 8, 2 to 10 and this is all your evening watch. This is like a person with a day off, sick leave, so on and so forth. These things I don't believe apply to their question because these are all the changes that took place on the roster. Question. Most everything is going to be on the first page. Question again, but from somebody different. Yeah, so this can be a little bit confusing and it probably doesn't apply to the stuff that they're asking Mr. Foy. So how does she determine who's the boss? Because that's the question. Noel. Yeah, Union rep. So this, these positions will tell you who is in position for the shift. I don't want to Answer the question for you but when you look at the shoe Foy can you show her where the answer is on the paper here? Shoe 1 that's your OIC. Noel okay question straight across shoe 2 shoe 3 is your 6 to 22 to 10 and shoe 4 is straight across right. So for example, shoe 41 was vacant on evening watch and then this is showing that redacted was shoe number one for the evening watch shift. Noel and this one, what time redacted shift 3 is 6 to 2. Noelle oh okay. Redacted and then shift 10 is 2 to 10. Noelle okay thank you very much for that assistance. Union Rep uh huh. Noel so basically on this it would have been redacted Question okay Redacted would have been in charge because he was Shu1. Noel yeah question and do you know what Shu1 means? He was the officer in charge. Noel yes Question what is shoe 2 and shoe 3 represent are there different duty responsibilities? Duty and responsibilities based on if you're shue1 shoot2 or shoot3. Noel I just know whoever the number one is would be the person in charge but as far as 2 and 3, I don't know the difference in responsibility Question now in the time that you worked there, did that actually play into anything if someone was shoe 1 or shoot shoe 2 or shoot 3? Noel no because we're always short staffed Question okay so that would mean that like if the person shoe one even though on paper they're the officer in charge, they're actually not providing orders or anything, everyone's equally Noel Cuts them off doing what they need to be Question okay so everybody basically has the same job responsibility Noel yeah Question okay so you don't look to someone as the actual officer in charge? Noel I do because I don't know so not, not necessarily the officer in charge, just whoever that I'm working with Question okay and what was your I don't know this may have just answered that but what was your role in the shoe on August 9, 2019 what shoe number were you? Ms. Noel number two question number two like again, you don't believe that actually provided you with a different responsibility that shoe 1 or shoe 3? Noel no question okay and what conversations did you have with shoe staff that you worked with on August 9th regarding Epstein? Noel None Question so you said that one was with redacted? Noel yeah Question Correct with regard to the phone call? Noel yeah Question now try to put yourself back then any other conversations at that point with regard to Epstein? Noel no Question Any follow on to when he Said get off the phone with Epstein? Noel no, when he said to get the phone. I got the phone when I spoke to Epstein. Question okay, and what was it that you spoke with Epstein about? Noel I was told that your time is up and I have to take your phone. And he said okay. Question okay and did redacted say to then place him back in his cell or was that understood? Noel no, that was understood. Question and is it that what you did? Noel I didn't place him back in the cell. I went to the bathroom upstairs on 10. Question okay. Noel and when I came back he was placed back in his cell. Okay so what did you do? You went to the shower and just instructed him through the door? Noel yeah. What to hang up? Noel no, I told him that what I was told that his time was up and I have to take the phone in and he said okay. And then he handed me the phone. It's like a slot. Question okay and then you walked away? Noel yeah. Question and he just stayed there and waited? Noel yeah. Question and then who brought him from the shower to his cell? Noel I don't know. Well it had to be redacted and redacted because it takes two people to move them. And I went to the bathroom. Okay. So you used the restroom at the time that he was to be transported back to his cell? Noel yes. Question okay, and did you have any conversations with the individuals after they placed him before or after they placed him into the cell? Noelle no. Question did you instruct them? Hey, I just took the phone from him. Can you place him back in his cell? Noel yes. Question okay, so you did talk to them about that? Noel I said I was going to the bathroom and he has to go back to his cell. Question okay, that was the extent of it? Noel that was the extent of it. All right folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box or what's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're going to pick up where we left off with the Tova Noel Interview with the OIG Inspectors. Question alright. And again we briefly talked about him, but redacted. Noel yeah. Question do you know if he worked that day? Noel in the morning? Question and who replaced him? Noel Redacted Question Redacted. Noel because he works 6 to 2 and redacted comes in at 2 to 10 question okay, so when someone gets replaced, do they typically give a briefing like so would, and I apologize about the name, but redacted. Would they, would he typically be responsible to provide redacted with information so that he, you know, with regard to what happened on his assignment so that he can utilize that for when he's not replacing him? Noel I don't know. Question does that make any sense? Noel I mean, I don't know if he's typically required to, but I guess if there's information to give, he would give it to him, but I don't know if he has to. Question okay, and during your time, was there any conversation with any information that redacted, gave to, redacted, or passed along for replacements? Noel I wasn't there at 2. I came in at 4, but nothing was told to me. Question so redacted Never informed you or redacted in your presence? Noel no. Question okay, so there was no discussion for Epstein to be reassigned to a cellmate? Noel no. Question and again, you didn't even know that his cellmate wasn't there? Noel Wasn't there. Question okay, and should you have known that his cellmate wasn't there? Noel I don't know. Question so when you're doing the rounds and conducting counts, wouldn't that be when you would know if someone was with or without a cellmate because you said only one other person there didn't have a cellmate, correct? Noel but people move all the time when you're in the shoe. Like, let's say if you did something and you're in trouble so you're in the shoe, you could be sent back to your regular unit. So it wouldn't be odd. Like if I was counting and the person wasn't there, it would just be lesser of the count. But it wouldn't be odd if the physical person wasn't there. To me, because people move back all the time. Question but wouldn't they have to advise you if you knew that there was only one person without, you know, one person that doesn't have a cellmate when they have to advise you, hey, this person left, so this person's in there by himself? Noel I don't know because nobody said anything to me. Question I'm just saying in general now. So like, if you're conducting your rounds and your counts, in order for you to know who you're supposed to be counting during both rounds and counts, you know who you're supposed to be checking on when you need to know if a cellmate was Removed and now there's only one inmate in each cell. Well no, like if I'm counting and the person is not there, like say the count was 66 and I counted 65. That's just what redacted count. Question and you wouldn't try to like figure out where's the fifth where the 66 went? Noel no, because whoever moved the person would have I guess, documented where they move them to. Question so you wouldn't, it's after you count at 65 then you would have to just go and try to find paperwork. Hey, is there another guy that someone else moved? Noel no. Question. Okay, so how do you reconcile the numbers? Rather than me saying so many words, you tell me. So do you know who's in the shoe? Noel so let's say like if there was 66 people in there and one person moved to wherever, they would have already did that. So it wouldn't be for me to do when I count now because the person is not there going to just count 65 but the number is not going to be off because whoever moved the body already moved them to like let's say back to the unit or wherever. So I wouldn't be trying to find or figure out where the person went. I'm just counting the body. Is that what you really said? Seems like a Freudian slip to me. Question okay, so you and you're counting and you're during the rounds and counts right? Not during the rounds. Noel Right. During the counts. Question rounds are every 30 minutes approximately. Noel yeah. Question so during those rounds are you supposed to be when you're conducting the rounds, what is the intent of those rounds? Noel Whoever's in there to make sure that they're okay. Question so if you don't know who is in there, how do you make sure that they're okay? Noel. Because they would have already been if the person's not there. Like they would have already been moved in the system. So I'm not making around, I'm not going to be like, well oh this person's not in there. Because people go to different places. They go back to the unit, they go to court, they go to different places. So again, it wouldn't be odd if somebody is not there. I mean I could ask the person that I'm working with like oh hey, whatever happened to so and so? But she trails off and another question is asked. Alright, so you're saying that even though you knew only one inmate didn't have a shoe and especially it sounds like you're working Later. Noelle. Yeah. Question. So everyone should pretty much be back from wherever they went to, correct? Noel. Correct. Question. So at that point, you only know that one person doesn't have a cellmate. You're walking through and you see that someone doesn't have a cellmate. You're not asking, where's that person? Noel. But see, I don't know that the person has to have a cellmate. So again, even though the one person doesn't have a cellmate, it's not odd to me because I don't know that they have to have a cellmate. What if the person went back to the unit? I didn't know where Reyes went. Question. Okay. Question. Can I ask something? Yes, please. Question. I just want to clarify what you come in, right? Let's say you come in on Reshift. Is there somewhere near the computer that tells you how many inmates are supposed to be in the shoe? Noelle. On the roster. Question. On the roster? Noelle. Yeah. Question and now let's say, do you review the roster when you come in? Noelle. No. Question. So how do you know? Let's just say someone went missing. How do you know? Noelle? I don't know. But isn't that when you come on shift? Right. You're responsible. I'm not saying this is the case, but you're responsible to know how many inmates are in the shoe at the time, right? Noel. When I come on shift, I just come on and relieve the person. Like when I come on at four, it's time to feed. So I'm doing trays and I'm feeding. I'm not looking to see who's on the roster. You would probably wait for count time to count and then count to see how much people is in there. But I'm not looking to see. Okay. The roster says 75, and I'm counting to make sure there are 75 people only at count time. Question. So when you're doing your rounds, all you're doing is the people that you see, are they okay? If someone escaped, you wouldn't know that until count time? Ms. Noel? I wouldn't know. Question. Okay, and that's basically that answers it. So she's saying that she's not even worried about if someone is not there. She's only worried about the people that are there. Is that correct? Noel? Yes. Question. All right. Now the union rep has a question. Would procedural clarification help with that question? Question by redacted. Sure. We all have the policies here. Would you like me to show her the policies? I'm happy to do that. Union rep yeah, Or I could explain it. I'll give her the policies and just ask her if she's familiar with that. That's fine. She knows what she should have done. I'll just say this to you. The policy is very general for the entire agency, not specific to MCC New York. Okay, While he is looking, while he's looking that up. I just want clarification. Noelle. Uh huh. When you came in, if an inmate was removed, should the roster have been edited? Noelle it should have been. Do you recall if that roster. Was there a roster on your desk? Noelle there's always a roster. But I don't look at the roster. But you don't recall if there was anything, if there was a notification or anything written down saying that inmate Efren Reyes was removed from the shoe? Noelle. No question. Is that something that previous shift would have communicated to you? Noel they could've question alright, so I'm going to read this out loud and then redacted provide it to you. This is the Metropolitan Correctional Center, New York, New York. Specific post orders. This is specifically says shoe number one. And I think that would be the officer in charge as we just discussed. But I think that there like you said, everyone's kind of responsible for the same thing. But it discusses right here. I'm going to go down to the third paragraph on page two of 18. It says report for duty by telephone with the operation lieutenant and receive any additional information begin making. So according to this, it says when you report to duty, you're supposed to talk to the operations lieutenant and receive whatever information you're supposed to get on your shift. It says begin making 30 minute rounds. Ensuring you document the findings into truscope. Staff will observe all inmates and and continued lockdown status once in the first 30 minutes of the hour. Example 12 to 12:30am followed by another round in the second 30 minute period of the same hour, 12:30 to 1. This will ensure an inmate is observed at least twice per hour. These rounds are to be conducted on an irregular schedule and no more than 40 minutes apart. All observation must be documented in. It should be clearly understood that none of these activities are to take place until the evening watch officer is relieved. It should be noted that it's understood that not all of the above will be accomplished by or before count. Then it talks about official count time. The shoe number two officer you said you were working. Is that for both your shifts? Because this Specifically talking about 12:00am where are you at 12:00am on August 10th? Ms. Noel I think I was number one. Yes. All right. So this actually is pertaining to your shift during 12am and 8am Foy interjects. You mean, according to what you just read? What I just read. Foy. Right. Question the specific. So wear shoe number one. So I guess what you were supposed to do, per the post orders was, was when you got on board, you're supposed to call the operations lieutenant, and then you're supposed to say, hey, is there any information I need to know? And then you're supposed to start making your counts. And that would be like, where you would find out Epstein doesn't have a cellmate. Make sure that when you're doing your rounds, you know where everybody's in there, you know, I would think. Is that your understanding at all? Noel? Noel. Was that ever put into practice? Noel? No. Nobody ever calls the lieutenant when they get on shift. So no one ever talked to them. Noelle. No question. Okay. Is there. I don't know if I need to continue reading this because we're going to take a lot of time with it if we do, just because I read it. If you want to take a look and just initial and date there, and then we're just going to move on. Noel. Huh? Question. Because this is taking up time. Foy initial up top. Question about the point on the matter was that you knew that you were supposed to observe the people that were there. You weren't too concerned about people that weren't there. Noel. Nothing. Correct question. Is that a correct understanding? Noel yes. All right, we're going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to get right back to the Tova Noel interview with the OIG investigators. Question. All right. On August 9th, do you recall having any discussion with Redacted regarding Epstein? Noel no. Question. And again, redacted would have been the one. Did you say that he was the one who replaced Relieved? Noel says question. Okay, so if Redacted, provided Redacted with information redacted, did not provide you with that information. Noel I don't know if Redacted, she gets cut off. Yeah, I know. I'm asking that he gets cut off now by Noel. Oh, about Redacted. Didn't again, she gets cut off. If he did that. Redacted certainly didn't provide it to you. Noel. No question. Okay. And redacted didn't provide you with any special instructions regarding Epstein? Noel? No question. No. Did you discuss the need for Epstein to be reassigned to cellmate with anyone on August 9th? Noelle. No question. When did redacted depart the shoe? On August 9th? Noelle. At 10:00pm Question. 10:00pm Correct. Noel? Correct. Question. You said unit manager Nathan redacted. He actually wasn't in the shoe. I mean, he wasn't assigned to the shoe. I'm sorry? Noel. No question. He was just in there in order to facilitate the start of this telephone conversation. Noel. Phone call. Yeah. Question. And you don't know why he was in there in the first place? Noel. No question. So you don't know if he brought Epstein in? Noel. No question. So he just. And you're not the one to allow them? Noel. No question. All right. So he didn't have Actually have any responsibilities in the shoe? Noel. No question. And aside from the telephone conversation that you had with. Redacted with specifically with regards to get the phone away from him, his time is up. Any other conversations? Noelle. With redacted. No question. No. About Epstein or otherwise? Noelle. No question. Any conversations with him in person? Noel. Only when I took the phone from him. No, no, not Epstein. Redacted. Noel. Oh, no. Question. And that's what I was asking about before. It's just to make sure that we're clear. Any other conversations aside from the one conversation on the phone where he said, get the phone from Epstein. His time is up? Noel. And when he came in, he said, I'm going to put him in the shower to use the phone? Question. And that was the extent of it? Noel? That was the extent of it. Question. Okay. Nothing to do with Epstein being housed with MCC or shoe? Noelle. No question. Or the need for a cellmate? Noel. No question. Do you know who authorized redacted to provide Epstein was with that telephone call? Noel? I don't know. Question. No. Who plugged the telephone line into the legal line in the shower area? Noel? Redacted. Question. Redacted. Did. And do you know if he did that per redacted's direction? Noel. No question. You're not sure? And to you that was an authorized practice? Noel. To use the phone in the shower? Yeah. Question. What is that line in the shower area for? Noel? I don't know. Question. Is it. Okay, is there usually a phone that's plugged in there? Noel. No Question. Or is it just a line that's available? Noel. The jack is there. Question. Just the jack. And you know that to be a Legal line like for attorneys? Noel I don't know. Question. You don't know. That's what that is. That's a legal line? Noel I don't know. Question but what is just your overall understanding briefly, about policy for inmates assigned to the shoe when they need to make a phone call, how often do they get to do it? How do they do it? Noel when they had them the phone in the cell and they use that pin, the number to make the phone call, how often? I don't know because that's usually done before I come in. But I know showers are are every other day. I don't know. A phone is every other day also redacted. Okay, so you're not sure? Noel I'm not sure. Question. You said you didn't hear any part of the telephone conversation? Noel no Question did you see any part of the telephone conversation? Noel Only when I went to go get it from him. Question but while he was on it. Noel no question Discussing no. Noel no quote Question and no one observed them? Noel no Question so no one watched them or listened? Noel no Question and no one informed you to watch or listen? Noel no Question and previous instances when people have used the line were other were other people watching and listening to those people? Noel no Question and around what time was Epstein brought back to his cell? Did you say? Noel maybe about after 9. Question so he did the telephone call sometime before 9 and around after 9 is when he was put back into his cell? Noel probably because I was in the bathroom. Question and you went to the bathroom, you think around 9? Noel I'm not sure. But around Question I'm not asking for specifics. Noel yeah, like around Question around nine? Noel yeah. Question and you said that you're not the person that brought him. Someone else did. After someone else brought him to his cell, did you have any more conversations with Epstein? Noel Yes. Question what when was that and where? Noel Not a conversation When I counted. Question when did you count? Noel at 10. Question at 10pm you counted? Noel yes. So you actually went through the tier and counted? Noel yes. Question and did you go into the tier or did you just go up to the door? Noel I went into the tier. Okay. So you didn't head around at 10pm you didn't stop at the door and just look in. You actually went through? Noel yeah, I went through question and looked through and counted each person? Noel yes. Because he was on the floor and I knocked and he put his hand up. Question okay, so that wasn't just from the outer door of the tier? Noel no Question that was actually he gets cut off by Noel no, that was in there. Question okay, and you said you don't know who brought him back to the cell? Noel no, I was in the bathroom. Question okay, and when? Around 10pm you looked in and you said he was on the floor and he put his hand up? Noel yeah. He sleeps on the floor. The mattress. He puts the mattress on the floor. Question okay, so you never actually see his bunk? He would sleep on the floor. Noel the floor? Yeah. Question Take the mattress off the bunk. Noel and put it on the floor. Question Sleep there. Is that typical Noel for him? Question for him what about other inmates? Do other inmates do it? Noel not in the shoe, but sometimes they do that. Question and is there anything up with policy that prohibits people from doing that? Noel not that I know of. Question no. So it wasn't anything of concern? Noel no Question okay, but he did you did he verbalize anything or just put his hand up? Noel he just put his hand up. Question Just like I'm accounted for. Noel Right. Question okay, and is that after you said you knocked? Noel yeah. Question and did you communicate with him at all? Noel you okay? Noel no. Question no so it was just a knock and a hand up? Noel yeah. No communication? Noel None. Just visualization. Noel yeah. Question and notice anything different about him at that time? Noel no Question no, you said that was around 10pm Noel I think he asked for the CPAP machine to be plugged in because he had CPAP machine. Question what's a CPAP machine? Noel when people have sleep apnea, I guess they use that machine. Question okay. Noel so the cord has to be ran from the outside of his room all the way down to be plugged in. Question it's for sleep apnea. Noel I don't know what else it's for, but that's what I know people use it for. Question and did you get it for him? Noel it's in his room. It just has to be plugged in, redacted. Oh, and did you plug it in for him? Noel yes. Question okay, so you did have some communication with him then? Noel well, he asked and I just nodded and I plugged it in. Question okay, so when I ask you these things, I just really want you to be clear with me if there's communication, just really think about like what communication you actually had. Noel okay. Question so just tell me about specifically what you can remember because again, if this is the last time you saw him, just try to recall what it is that he said. Noel I remember he put his hand up and he asked about the CPAP machine to be plugged in and that's it. Question do you remember his words? Did he say CPAP machine or, or can you plug this in for me? Noel I don't remember how he said it, but basically he asked for it to be plugged in, but I don't remember exactly what he said or how he said it. Question all right, so at that point you went and plugged it in? Noel yes. Question all right. And that's like a cord that runs like under his cell door or something? Noel yes. Question okay, and then any conversations afterward? Noel no. Question alright. Can you just briefly explain the process of people entering and exiting the shoe? Noel there's double doors. Question okay. Noel and we open the door to let people in. Question so is there somebody that they have to go through an outer door first to get to your door? Noel yeah, there's two doors and so they come in the first door, then the second door and, and then you're in the shoe. Question how do they get into the first door? Noel we open the door. Question not the control center? Noel no Question so you're able to from the first door before they get to your door, you open both doors? Noel yes. Question okay, so the control center, they don't call for it first and the control center pops the first door and then you have keys for the second door? Noel no Question all right. Okay, so I'm going to stop talking. You tell me exactly how they do it. Somebody knock or they call or buzz or what? Noel Somebody knocks or somebody, they use our radio and then we go to the door and open the door. Question so do you have from your desk, is there a buzzer? Noel no. You've got to open the door with the key. Question the initial outer doors. Noel Both doors. Question so you go, you open the inner door to you and then you go to the outer door and do the second. Noel yes. Question and you have control over both doors? Noel yes. Question all right. Does the operations center also have control over that outer door? Noel I don't know. I don't think for the shoe. They do. I don't know. Question all right. Anytime people enter and exit, you've always for both doors? Noel yes Question all right. And that's the same as when they leave? Noel yeah. Question so after they leave that second outer door and you go, you lock that manually and then you lock the other one? Noel yeah Question Manually, Both manually. From the shoe. Noel if that One, I think the outer one. Like once you pull it, it locks. Question okay, which one is that? Noel the outer door Question. The outer door and who entered and exited the shoe on August 9, 2019, between, let's say, for the first shift, 9pm and 12pm so if you have to open up the two doors, I'm assuming that's kind of a process and there aren't that many of you in there. Noel Lieutenant redacted question. Lieutenant redacted. Noel no, you said the first shift question. First shift from 9:00pm to 12:00am 12:00am Sorry. Noel From I don't know. Question so it would be the people that were in there, Correct? Would that be redacted and redacted? Noel and me Question and you? Anyone else? Noel I'm trying to remember because you said between 9pm and 12am I don't remember exactly when redacted. Made her rounds, but she gets cut off by the interviewer. Okay. Redacted. Would have showed up at one time or another, though. Noel yes. Question do you remember that conversation when she showed up? Noel no Question. Did she talk to you about anything? Noel no Question did you specifically speak to her at all? Noel I mean, I said, hey. Question. Just. Hey. Just. What's up? Okay. And who's allowed to enter and exit? Noel I don't remember that question. Do you know who, when redacted and redacted left who allowed them to leave? Noel I don't remember that question. You don't remember that? Noel no. All right, we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.