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The Epstein Chronicles
Mega Edition: Unnamed MCC Lieutenant And HIs OIG Interview (1-3) (7/3/26)
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The deposition of the unnamed MCC lieutenant reveals not just operational failures, but a striking level of evasiveness that runs throughout the testimony. When pressed on critical details—staffing levels, required inmate checks, chain of command...
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Hey everybody, lady luck here. And we're celebrating America's 250th birthday. Now, all summer long, I'm going to be celebrating by playing on spinquest.com which is an American owned social casino. It obviously features over a thousand slot games and live blackjack, live craps, live bubble craps. Head on over to spinquest.com get yourself a $30 coin pack for just 10 bucks. Spinquest is a free to play social casino void where prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details. What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're gonna dive right back in to another deposition given by another employee at mcc. And this time it's an unnamed captain. And like usual, we're going to follow the same format. When I say question, that's the investigator asking the question, and when I say answer, that's the unnamed lieutenant giving his answer. So we're just gonna get right to it. Question Please just let me know if you don't understand these questions and I'll try to rephrase them or put them in a different way. Add clarification. So what's your home address? And what is your date of birth and your Social Security number? He Answers Question thank you. And your current cell phone number? Answer Redacted Question and what's your highest level of education? Answer Bachelor's Question Where? Answer Criminal justice. Question Criminal justice, Where did you get that from? Answer Redacted Question Is that New York City? Answer yeah. Question and when did you graduate? Answer 2006, I think. Question okay, and what did you do prior to working for the BOP? Answer TSA question okay, and what did you do for TSA? Answer I was a screener at JFK. Question how long did you do that? Six and a half years. Question from approximately when until when? Answer From 02 to 09. Question 02. 09, okay. And do you have any military service? Answer no. Question okay, and how long have you served with the Federal Bureau of prisons? Like about 20 years. About 20 years? Yeah. Oh, okay. So did you do it while you were with the tsa? Answer I did. TSA is federal and I. He gets cut off by the investigator. No, no, with the BOP. How long have you served with the BOP? Answer the BOP 12 years. Question 12 years, okay. From when until when? Answer 09 to present question what was your enter duty date? Answer June 21, I think 2009. Question okay, any breaks of service? Answer Nah. Question okay, and when did you do you know when you graduated BOP Training. Answer I think it's September or August. Question of 2009. You're talking about Glynco, right? Yeah. Yeah. 09. Okay. And when and where was your first office assignment with the bop? New York. Which institution? Mcc. Were you with MCC the whole time? Yeah. Oh, okay. And when did you become a lieutenant? Answer what's this? 21, 2019. 18, I think. December 17th. I did a temp. Question. December of 2017. 17. Yeah. Question and when did you leave the MCC? I left December of 19. December of 2019? Yeah. Question and then is that when you came here to FCI Danbury? Answer yeah. Question and did you come here for a promotion? Answer yeah. Question so you were a GS9 lieutenant? Answer I was a 9 there, but I got TDY down down there. So I was an 11 down there. Question oh, you were? Answer yeah, I got TDY for about four months. Question okay, can you just what does that mean? Answer Temporary duty. Like, I was picked up. I, I got my promotion, but I had to stay down there for a few months until I came up here. Question okay, so FCI Danbury, you were promoted to an 11, but they had you stay down there as an 11 for four months? Yeah. Question so when were you actually picked up? About three months in October. September, October, November. Three months. Yeah. So when did you actually get your promotion? September. Question of 2019. Yeah. Question and when did you physically come to the FCI Danbury? December. December. Okay. And your current position is still GS11 lieutenant? Yeah. Question and what was your position at the MCC on August 9th and 10th of 2019? August you said 10th. Question yes. So August you said September you got your 11. So I'm assuming in August of 2019 he gets cut off by the lieutenant? I was a nine then. Yeah, in August. Yeah. Question and this is just for my own knowledge, what's the difference between a 9 lieutenant and an 11 lieutenant? Answer pretty much you could. If you, if you're at 9, you can't run the institution because it's not a higher rank. So like 11 or the only ones who can. Without a captain, you're the highest. But a nine, you can't be the highest. Question so does that mean like, as far as like being the ops lieutenant versus the activities lieutenant? Answer Nah, you could be ops as nine. Question okay. Answer but, but he gets cut off by the investigator. So like acting captain, you mean? Answer no. Say, like if it's a 9, it's like evening watch 4 to 12 or midnight. The 11 is the highest authority. Question okay, as a 9? You can't do that. You have to have 11 or above for 9 to be an authority. Question okay, so you can be an ops lieutenant, but somebody else has to be there that's higher than you Answer Yeah. If you are a nine. Yeah. Question okay. Do you recall what shift you worked on August 9th and 10th of 2019? August 9th. What day was that? Question it's August 9th. Sorry. We'll just talk about August 9th. August 9th, 2019. That was the day before Epstein was found dead. It was a Friday. Answer so the Friday I probably was day watch. Okay. I'm going to give you the daily roster for that date, just so you can reprint it anytime I give you a document. You don't have to do it right away, but you can. I'm just going to have you initial and date each document. It's just for the record. We can say that's the document that you looked at and we don't like replace something. You know what I mean? So on that, can you find your name and see where it is that you work? Just to verify yeah, I did overtime from 6 to 2. Question from 6am to 2pm answer yeah. Question and that was on August 9th? Answer yeah. Question do you know if there were specific times that you worked? I know. For instance, the individual that was the activities lieutenant after you, she didn't start until 4pm because she had her regular time shift until 4pm Would that mean that you had worked until 4? Or would you still have stopped at 2? Answer I don't know. Question do you usually have to wait until the new Activities Lieutenant comes on board? Answer that's redacted. Was. But she wasn't a lieutenant here though. Question no, she was an sis, but she got, I guess, temporarily promoted at least for that day to be able to be the activities lieutenant. But she was in an attorney conference until 4pm and she didn't start as the activities lieutenant until 4pm I don't remember, but I know we usually, even though it says 8 to 4, we usually do 6 to 2. 2 to 10 anyway. Question yeah. Answer we relieve people early. Question Right. And my understanding is it's for traffic purposes. Answer so if the 9th I would have cam on, then she wouldn't have to stay until 4. I don't know. Question how does that typically work though? I guess, would it be do you have to be relieved before you can leave? Answer. You mean for me? Question yeah, like if you're the activities lieutenant at the MCC back in August of 2019, are you allowed to leave before the new activities lieutenant takes over or do you have to wait until she's done? I'm just trying to help. Refresh her memory if you can. He gets cut off by the lieutenant. I'm not sure I know how we do it. Is someone say, I got you, I'll cover you. Then we relieve. Question. But you don't specifically remember this date? Answer no. Question. Not the fact that like Epstein died the day after. Does that help you like kind of refresh your memory of what your involvement may have been? Answer I know I was doing day watch. I was doing day watch. I do know that. But as far as who relieved and all that. Nah, I don't remember that. Question. All right, we can probably just grab your time and attendance records then later just try to indiscernible that down. But you just can't remember at this point. Answer what you asked me. Was I there? Question yeah, yeah, just, I mean, from two to four. You don't remember if you would have. You had to wait until redacted was actually in place, but before you left or not? Nah, I don't know. I could have been there at 4 because I left at 2. I'm not sure. Okay, fair enough. So you either worked until 2pm or 4pm, you just don't recall? Yeah. Question alright, and who did you on that date? Who would have you primarily work with? I don't know, because Friday. I don't know why I'm doing overtime on Friday. I'm trying to think. And redacted is normally not the ops lieutenant though, either. Question Is that because he was a nine? Answer Redacted's 11. He's shoe lieutenant. Question at the time redacted, was the shoe lieutenant? Answer oh, no, no, no. Redacted was a shoe lieutenant. Okay, so if I'm on Friday and Saturday, then maybe, I don't know. You have my what's her name records. Question this is Saturday, so I'm giving you the daily assignment roster. Answer I'm thinking this is my day off. I'm thinking Friday was my day off, so I came in for the overtime on Friday. If I'm on Friday and Saturday, then I would be Ops. That's what I'm thinking. Question did you work on Saturday? Answer Saturday I was off. Question okay, so you're not on the list that I just gave you for Saturday. Answer no, I should be on day watch. Question okay. Answer this is the day that Epstein died, right? Question yeah. Answer yeah, I wasn't there that day. Question okay, but you just can't remember if you worked until 2 or 4 on August 9th. Answer no. Question Again, there's no reason that I'm asking you this specifically right now. It's just try to make sure that we know what time you work there. Answer well, you're trying to see if I was if there's a pattern of he gets cut off by the investigator. No, no, not a pattern. It's not looking at you. It's just to, you know, when we talk to people we say like what time were you there from? Just because in knowing that redacted didn't start until because there's no reason for us at this point to get your time and attendance records because again we're just talking to everybody that was there on each day. I'm just trying to. When we talk to you, we just need to lock down each person. What time were you there until? Answer I don't know. Another investigator jumps in. We have specific questions about what happened during the day. But if you're not there during the day, during that specific time he gets cut off by the other investigator. Some questions might not apply to you. That's what we're trying to figure out. So what time were you there until? Answer I mean so you want to ask me questions up until 4, is that what you're saying? Answer we'll ask you specifically questions he gets cut off. Well, you can do it. But if I don't remember I just say that I don't remember. Question yeah, that's fine, you just don't. But at this point you just don't know if you were there until 4pm answer no question and you don't remember relieving, redacted or redacted or leaving you? No. And do you remember being relieved by anyone? No. No. Alright, but I guess then that goes back to my original question. Do you need to be relieved by someone in order to leave? Normally it depends. Can there just be an ops lieutenant and no activities lieutenant on during the day? Yeah, that could be any day. Question okay. Answer yeah Question so it's just there's these are genuine questions. We don't know the answer to these. So that's not like abnormal to have like just a two hour gap where there's no activities lieutenant? Answer no, he was going a lot of work up until this. We're doing a lot of work. So some days he'll be there. I'm quite sure looking at the records you'll see my name by itself. Question Right. On some days there was Just like one activity or one ops. Lieutenant Answer yeah. Question okay, and that was Monday through Friday. Not just on weekends. Answer any day question or night shifts or morning answer any days. It was a busy time back then. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up where we left off with a lieutenant from MCC and his interview with the OIG investigators.
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But when you're conducting around in like a unit, specifically we'll talk about the shoe. If you visit the shoe and on this date there was no shoe. Lt. Correct? No. So if you are visiting the shoe, are you responsible to conduct any rounds on the tiers as a lieutenant yeah, the lieutenant has to make a round in shoe each shift. So when I say but when you visit the shu, is it just visiting the shoe, checking in with the officers? Or do you, I mean, checking in with the cos or is it actually also doing around where the inmates are located and looking in their cells? Answer I mean, yeah, you're supposed to do around. Question okay, so that he Gets cut off by the lieutenant, you mean? Exactly what do you suppose to specifically do? Question yeah, I guess what I'm asking is what does a lieutenant's round in the shoe consist of? Answer I don't know. I know for me, I used to like to go down the tears Question to actually check on the inmates. Answer yeah. Question so you're actually doing he gets cut off by the lieutenant do a whole complete round. Question so you're actually doing a round of the inmates, not just doing a round in the shoe to say, hey, are you guys good with the officers? Answer yeah, unless something happens. Like if something happens, you know, they just say, you all right, it was a ba. All right, I'll be back or something like that. Question Right, right. You mean if you get called out or something like that, you needed the run Answer that. That or they call you Question Right. Answer. Something specific to a specific tail or gets cut off by the investigator. But were you responsible and this is just in general, not just specifically you, it's any lieutenant if there's no shoe lieutenant responsible to do around on day watch of the inmates when they visit the shoe. Answer I'm not sure. Question. You're not sure, but you did answer that day Question no, I mean just in general. Like when you would visit the shoe, you would do that? Answer yeah. Say like if I fill in or whatever and there is no shoe lieutenant to say, hey, you gotta make round. All right, well, or you have an activities do it or whatever. Question Does a lieutenant have to do a round on that shift? Answer that would be yeah, you have to do a round. Question okay, so at least one lieutenant on day watch on August 9, 2019 had to do a round in the shoe of the inmates. Answer on day watch? Question yeah. Answer yeah. Question what about night watch and morning watch? Do they have to do it on those? Answer. Night watch and morning watch yeah. Question so every shift lieutenant, he gets cut off by the lieutenant. Three shifts you got to do around Question. And that gets cut off by the lieutenant. Again, supposed to do around Question and that's with the inmates not just checking in. Answer I'm not sure. Question oh, you're not sure but you would when you did it? Answer I'm undiscernable. I'm trying to move around, like hit the tears. Question okay, cool. Do you remember who replaced you that day? Answer who I relieved? Question yeah. Answer who I relieved? Question who relieved he gets cut off by the lieutenant? Nobody. Question so because there's no activities lieutenant prior to you Answer no Question and that's because. Yeah. There's only. For the morning watch, is there only an ops lieutenant? Answer Yup. Question so you were the first one in on that day and you said that you arrived when. Answer 6 o'. Clock. Question 6am okay. And you said you just don't recall who replaced you or if you stayed until 4? Correct. Answer yeah. Did you look at the video? Question we didn't. Haven't had a reason to yet. I just assumed that you would have remembered. Answer Nah, I don't remember. Question okay. Answer it was 2019. Question yeah, yeah. No, just because of, you know, this was probably one of the biggest things that's ever happened. Answer yeah, but that's why I'm like, why are they talking about it now? That's why I'm like, he gets cut off. Yeah. I mean, now is just because there's things that have happened in the past months that now is creating. He gets cut off by the lieutenant. Oh, with the case. Question yeah. That we now have to interview a ton of people to be able to find out who was there, what happened, and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, But I'm not sure about the time on that. Question all right. And are you familiar with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer yeah. Question did you ever work or visit the shoe while Epstein was assigned to the Shoe in July and August of 2019? Answer probably did. Question Did Epstein have a cellmate when he was in the shoe? Answer up until that day, Right. Question yeah. And do you know if there was a reason why Epstein was assigned a cellmate? Answer in shoe, you're supposed to be double bunked. Question okay, so he gets cut off by the lieutenant, even if you don't have the whole prior thing before. Question so everybody in the shoe is supposed to be. Answer not everybody, but you got certain cases, but he was supposed to have a bunk. Question so as far as who would. Who wouldn't be assigned a cellmate? Answer House alone, wreck alone. Inmates, you know, hunger strike inmates, NPOs. Question but Epstein was one of those inmates that should have had a cellmate. Answer yeah, he was a regular inmate. Yeah. Question okay. Are you aware that Epstein had attempted to commit suicide on July 23, 2019? Answer yeah. Question and were you one of the responding officers to that? Answer no. Question Were you? Did you have any involvement with it? Answer that incident no. Question no. Do you know what transpired? Answer they say he put something around his neck in his cell and that was it. Did you ever hear any rumors that his cellmate may have tried to harm him. Oh yeah, you're talking about. Yeah, I heard about that, yeah. What did you hear about that? That it was a ploy for him to get bail? Something like that. Alright, so did you. Is your understanding that he actually did try to harm himself or was it your understanding that his cellmate tried to harm him? Answer. You're talking about the rumor. Question. Yeah. What is your understanding? Answer. The rumor was the guy also had a high profile case and I think Epstein was up for a bell hearing, so they made it look like he was doing that in order to get bail. Question okay, do you think there was any legitimacy to the rumor? Answer. I don't know. Not after this. Nah. Question no. Answer. No. Alright, so do you believe that he actually did try to harm himself on July 23rd? Yeah. Okay. Do you know as a result of July 23rd, if Epstein. If anything happened with Epstein, was he removed from the shoe and placed anywhere else? He went to suicide watch. Okay. And what happens on suicide watch? Is that outside of the shoe? Yeah. And then after you get placed on suicide watch, is that a temporary thing? And then you get moved over to psych observation? Not all the time, no. That's up to psych. Psych makes that call. Question. Do you. Are you aware if Epstein was outside of the shoe and on suicide watch or psych observation for approximately one week? I know he was definitely on there because I remember seeing him. Question. Question. You saw him there? Answer. Yeah. Question. Is that because you were doing rounds or why did you see him in there? Answer. I had to, because I'm the one who does the showers for suicide inmates or psych watch, if you go down there. So he was down there one day, probably a couple days, but I took him to the shower one time. Yeah. Question. Okay, so you had some interaction with him? Answer. Yeah. Question. While he was on suicide watch? Answer. Suicide watch? Yeah. Question. Okay, and I just thought. I just thought you were only on suicide watch for like 24 hours and then after that it was called psych observation. Is that not your understanding? Answer. It's up to psych. That's a psych call. Question. But is it the same? They're in the same location, Correct? Answer. Yeah, but people who are on suicide watch longer than 24 hours. Question. Okay, so you're understanding the whole time he was there, it was called suicide watch. I don't remember. Question. Okay. Answer. The whole time he was up there? Question. Do you know when he was removed from suicide watch? Answer. No. Question. Do you know why he was removed from Suicide watch. I have had no luck lately. Wait. Lady Luck Bretzky.
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He had a smock and yeah, he didn't have no clothes. Question. He didn't have clothes when he was on suicide watch. Answer. You can't have clothes on suicide watch. Question. Okay. All right. So does it sound right that he would have been removed about a week later, around July 30? Does that sound like a date? Answer. I don't know. Okay. Did you ever receive any instructions from anyone with regard to Epstein being assigned a cellmate after he came back from suicide watch? I'm not sure. You don't remember any verbal conversation or anything like that? No. Alright, I'm going to show you an email and then you can tell me if you remember receiving it. An email from. Do you know who that is? Answer. Yeah, or Question. All right. It's to suicide Watch psych observation update. And that's also what the subject is. And it's from July 30, 2019. It says inmate Epstein and it gives his reg number, is being taken off psych observation and needs to be housed with an appropriate cellmate. Do you recall receiving that? Answer. Yeah, it's generic. We always get those. Question. You get those? Answer. Yeah. Question. There's names on the back. It shows that you were one of them and that you read it. Do you see your name? Yeah, it would be under redacted. So it's all alphabetical. So does that ring a bell? Do you remember getting that? Answer. Yeah. Question. Okay, cool. Then do you recall. So you were Aware that he needed a cellmate then? Correct. You already said that you knew he needed one because he was a regular inmate. Right? Answer. Yeah, but I don't know what this is at 12:30 and the 30th, right. Question. Yeah, 7:30, so yeah. Answer. Oh, it was 7:30 on July 30th. So he got off on July 30th. Question. Correct. Place back in the shoe and required a cellmate. Answer. Okay, and just before we forget, do you mind just initialing and dating each one of these documents just so that they don't start piling up and as well as that email. Thank you, sir. Now, do you remember having conversations with anyone like verbal, like redacted, or anyone regarding the need for him to have a cellmate? No. Question. Because I'm assuming he was one of the most high profile, if not the most high profile inmate at the time. Correct. Answer. Yeah. So would that be something that they would. People would usually communicate with with the activities and the ops. Lieutenant About. Answer. I mean, if you got the email. Question. Okay. Question. You got a follow up that you wanted to ask? This is the other investigator. So you mentioned that you had interacted with Epstein while he was on suicide watch and you took him for showers. Answer. Yeah. Question how was your interaction with him? Answer. You know, cuff up, take him to the shower. Question. Did you ever talk with him and yeah. Was he pleasant? Were there any issues with that? He was saying, hey, while I'm down here, pretty much. He asked why he was down here. I said, well, he was like, yeah, I'm not suicidal, such and such. And you know, let me talk to psych so I can get off this. I don't think he liked it. This is immediately after the July 23rd. I don't know exactly what day it was, but you know, it was around there. Question. Got it. Alright folks, we're gonna wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box. What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up where we left off with the unnamed lieutenant from MCC and his interview with the OIG investigators. Question. We're going to follow up with some of those more lines of questioning later on in the interview. So you don't recall though receiving specific instructions from Captain Redacted or anyone else with regard to Epstein? You do you know, he needed one and you did not get the email. Answer These come all the time. Any inmate comes off of watch, they send it out. Question and should everyone know if someone comes off watch that they are required to have a cellmate? Answer I'm not sure. I mean that's what they do. They come out. Anyone comes off suicide watch, you put them in with the cellmate. Question. Yeah, and that's pretty general common knowledge, correct. And where do you learn that? Is that from your daily operations or do you learn that in training as well? Answer I don't know. I guess it's daily operations. Question. Okay, but most people should know that a person coming off of suicide watch is required to have a cellmate. Answer. I mean it depends. I don't know. I know we get these emails though. They send them out anytime an inmate comes off, you try to put them with a cellmate. But then again, like I said in the shoe, it's, you know, because even if they come off suicide watch, they don't say like they come off and stay in the shoe for a year. They have to have a cellmate for a year. You understand what I'm saying? So as far as the notice we get. But does everyone know that? I'm not sure about that. But you knew. Yeah. How did you know though? I got the email. Question. Okay, so your knowledge is from the email, but earlier you said that anybody in the shoe anyway needs to. Needs a cellmate. Answer yeah. Question alright, so he had basically two requirements to him. One, there was an email that he received also the fact that he was in the shoe and he didn't have any of those special requirements like he was going to harm someone else or something like that, that he should have a cellmate? Answer. Right? Question all right. And do you know if you ever communicated that to anybody when you visited the shoe in July or August of 2019? Answer I'm not sure. Question. Like the people that worked in the shoe would have you been as the activities lieutenant if you're doing around there, is that something that you would address? Answer. Bring up yeah, if he had a cellmate though. Yeah, bring something up. If they didn't. Question. So you'd only bring it up if you knew he didn't have one. Answer. So like if you say hey guys, how many single cells do we have? Such and such. Hey, what's going on? Hey. Well this is the reason. Question. And is that something, when you would visit the shoe, is that something you would ask? How many single cells do you have? Answer yeah. Question Is that like one of the Check the box things. Does everybody that visits the shoe, he gets cut off by the lieutenant? I can't speak for everybody, but I know even as OIC we said, hey, you know the fine we have single cells maneuver to condense it for space, stuff like that. Question okay, Answer so I don't know if anyone indiscernible into it. Question. But that's what you would do when you were activities Lieutenant? Answer Sometimes. Question okay, answer. If I seen someone without hay, what's going on with this dude? Well, he's housed in discernible room. Question. But when you would visit the shoe, was that something that you would address saying how many single cells do we got? Answer I'm not a shoe lieutenant. Oh, only if you're the lieutenant. Yeah. Question I'm talking about when you do your rounds, you do the rounds. You only say it if you know that someone, someone new comes in. Okay. You got space for them? No. Right now we've got to put them in a single cell or something like that. Question okay, and were you ever the shoe Lieutenant? Answer. At mcc? Question yeah, I don't think so. I was never SHU Lieutenant okay, but do you remember ever having a conversation with anyone in the SHU at MCC about Epstein and his cellmate requirement? No. No. Alright, so referring to the duty assignment roster, who are the MCC supervisors on duty with responsibility for overseeing the Shu on August 9, 2019 when you were working? Answer it would be me and redacted. Question so the two of you would be responsible? Answer. On day watch? Yeah. Question okay, and then would it be the same thing for the shift after you. Would that be the activities lieutenant and the ops Lieutenant? Answer yeah. Question and is that because when the shoe lieutenant is not there, Activities lieutenant and ops Lieutenant always have oversight of the shoe? Answer well, I told you we have to make a round in the shoe. Yeah. Question but that would be the lieutenants. They would be the lieutenants that would have oversight over the shoe, correct? Answer yeah, pretty much. Question okay, on August 9th, what communication did you have with any of the other lieutenants with regard to Epstein being housed with MCC or the MCC shoe? Can you recall? Answer no. Question. And again, thinking back, this is like one of the biggest things that's ever happened when you were there. This guy dies. Can you remember any conversations you had the day before with anyone with regard to Epstein? Answer I just know that he used to come to the legal all the time attorney conference pretty much the whole day and that's about it.
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free to play social casino void where prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details. Question and what about the time he would be moved from the attorney conference? Answer. Early. Like probably 8 in the morning. Question and who would be the person that would move him? The shoe staff. Get him out of the shoe. Okay, he was in the shoe. As the activities lieutenant, did you visit him at all in the attorney conference or check on him? Is that part of your round process? Answer. It's not part of the rounds, but if you see him in there, if you're standing by the elevators or something like that. Yeah. Question. Okay, answer. But you're not. You don't have to check. No. Question. All right. Did anyone ever provide you with special instructions with regards to Epstein? Answer. Special instructions. Question. Yeah, answer. Like something no, with special instructions, like he gets cut off by the investigator. Like conversations with Epstein. Hey, make sure you do this. Just Epstein, make sure this is going, you know, I guess specific instructions. Maybe special isn't the right word. No. Question. But did anyone ever specifically say, you know, this is Epstein. We've got to make sure we're doing this? No, not that I recall, no. Did any lieutenants ever talk to you about Epstein's requirement to have a cellmate? I mean, it's not like I said. We got the email. There's no one saying, hey, by the way, from my understanding, didn't he have a cellmate up until this? I think he had a cellmate since he got out of the suicide watch. So I don't think there was a lapse in it. So what about up until then? You're saying, what is your understanding of what happened? Answer what happened? His cellmate went to court and either went to transfer or got released or something and never came back. And then, you know, that night he went out, he went without a cellmate. Question. So we'll get into that. I'll ask you a couple more questions then just to make sure that we stay kind of on page. At the bottom of this page, you see, we're going to start talking about that inmate and I'll just. What you knew about that. You said lieutenants are responsible for conducting Rounds, are they responsible for conducting counts in the shoe? Answer no. Question. No. So like just around nothing to do with the counts? Answer. Count is for officers. Question. Okay, and you don't need to oversee them as a lieutenant or anything like that. Answer. You could take account, but usually you're doing patrol, you're not doing the count with the officers. Question. Right. So in physically presence in the shoe, the only time that the lieutenant is involved and actually with rounds, not with counts. Answer not with counts. Question. Okay, and did you conduct any rounds in the shoe on August 9, 2019? Question. You don't remember. Again, you're placing yourself back on one of the biggest incidences and you know, all this circus that's been going on since that time. Answer. Yeah, I know. Question. So you can't really put yourself back to that day like, hey, what was my involvement with this and did I he gets cut off by the lieutenant? No, I had no involvement with this. Question well, that's what I mean. But you, you were the activities lieutenant, you know, on the, you know, the day before and specifically, like you said, on the day before when his cellmate was removed. So you can't remember. Answer. If I did around no. Question okay, so you can't then do you remember having any conversation with any of the people listed in there on your shift in the shoe on that date, specifically with regard to Epstein or redacted his cellmate? Answer no Question. All right. And it'll be like a redacted Michael Thomas, Tova Noel. Redacted, redacted, redacted. None of those people. Answer no Question okay, so you didn't speak to any of those people about Epstein being required to have a cellmate since his cellmate was gone? Answer. You're talking about that day. Question yeah, on that day. Answer, I can't remember. Question okay. All right. The people that are in the shoe are there responsible for conducting rounds and counts during their shift. Answer yeah. Question as far as the shift that you worked on day watch, what's your understanding of how many rounds and counts they should have done? There's no counts on day watch. Question okay, what about the rounds? Answer. The rounds you're doing, a certain shift we go about. So you do one, say like eight to eight, 30. You do one, eight, 30 to nine, you do one. Question. So every 30 minutes and answer every 30 minutes not to exceed 40 minutes. They're regular rounds. Question. Okay, and you're supposed to do one of those rounds with them, but you can't recall whether you did or not. Answer no. We're supposed to do rounds with them. No. Question. You're supposed to just do around on your own. Answer yeah. Question okay. Answer. Do our round in the shoe. Question. Answer. And can you recall if you did your round in the shoe? No, I can. You can't recall. Would it be abnormal if you didn't? I can't recall. You can't recall if it would be abnormal if you didn't. If I didn't do the round. Question Right. Answer Would it be abnormal? I mean, I'm not the shoe lieutenant. That's what I'm saying. Question but there's no shoe lieutenant. You said, you know, you or redacted would be responsible. So I'm saying would it be abnormal if you didn't do it? So would it be normally have been done? I know you said that you're responsible for it. No, the lieutenants are responsible. But if a Monday through Friday, if a shoe lieutenant's there, there's no reason for me to go up there. Question but there is no shoe lieutenant. Answer Right. So. But I don't recall if I did a round or not. Question okay, but the last question wasn't that. I'm saying would it have been abnormal if you didn't do one? I know you can't recall. Answer yeah. Question but should you normally have done it if there's no shoe lieutenant? Answer yeah. Question yeah. So knowing yourself, you probably. He gets cut off by the lieutenant if there's no shoe Lieutenant. Yeah. Question okay. Answer okay. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here in the next episode dealing with the topic. We're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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