Mega Edition: What Did Author Barry Levine Say About Maxwell And Epstein (7/5/26)

Summary

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The Epstein Chronicles — Mega Edition: What Did Author Barry Levine Say About Maxwell And Epstein (7/5/26)

Host: Bobby Capucci
Date: July 5, 2026

Episode Overview

In this “Mega Edition” episode, Bobby Capucci dives into new revelations from author Barry Levine’s book, Spider, which offers a granular look at the final days and arrest of Jeffrey Epstein, as well as insights into Ghislaine Maxwell's equally pivotal role in Epstein’s criminal enterprise. Capucci brings his signature unfiltered analysis, exploring how high society, law enforcement, and media handled (or mishandled) the Epstein case, and dissects excerpts from Levine’s reporting—including a new Newsweek interview—about Maxwell as an active co-conspirator rather than a mere bystander or victim.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Epstein’s Arrest: Planning, Secrecy, and Missed Opportunities

• Teterboro Arrest (03:00–09:00):
  Capucci recaps Epstein’s July 2019 arrest at Teterboro Airport after his return from Paris, questioning the lack of media presence and comparing it to more publicized political prosecutions.
  • Quote:

    “Why wasn’t there a bunch of cameras set up, ready to go? Why wasn’t it as publicized as some of the more political type arrests we’ve had lately? It makes you wonder, doesn’t it?” (04:10, Capucci)

• Law Enforcement Strategy:
  The arrest was months in the making, with authorities tracking Epstein’s jet and waiting for a safe window to act. Capucci commends rank-and-file FBI agents but is critical of upper management and bureaucratic failures.
  • Quote:

    “I give the FBI a real hard time, and they deserve it... but the overwhelming majority of the agents themselves want to do the right thing. It’s the bureaucrats above them that force shit on them.” (11:00, Capucci)

• Missed Raids and Evidence Destruction:
  Capucci bemoans law enforcement's neglect to simultaneously raid all Epstein properties, especially Zorro Ranch, speculating that critical evidence was likely destroyed.

2. Post-Arrest Influence and Elite Privilege

• Attempts to Aid Epstein (15:03–21:30):
  After his arrest, high society figures attempted to use their influence to secure Epstein special treatment in jail.
  • Quote:

    “A handful of Police Foundation benefactors, those he termed ‘one-percenters’, embarked on a stealth lobbying campaign on Epstein’s behalf meant to ease his discomfort behind bars.” (16:30, Capucci paraphrasing Levine)

• Reactions from Law Enforcement:
  Former NYPD Chief of Detectives Robert Boyce discouraged influential callers, making clear Epstein was "much worse than you ever know.”
  • Quote:

    “I told them, look, just walk away. This is a bad guy. He is much worse than you ever know. Don’t walk, run.” (22:11, Capucci quoting Boyce)

3. Epstein’s Jail Experience and Vulnerabilities

• General Population Ordeal (22:20–26:19):
  Epstein’s placement in general population at MCC exposed him to dangers, extortion attempts, and deep isolation. Prison culture’s contempt for sex offenders made him a primary target.
  • Quote:

    “You are going to get a taste of jailhouse justice if you’re in Gen Pop... Should have never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever been in gen pop.” (24:18, Capucci)

• Transition to Solitary and Suicide Watch (29:20–36:19):
  Facing harassment and extortion, Epstein quickly moved to solitary confinement (“the SHU”) and was later placed on suicide watch. His manipulative personality is highlighted, with Capucci suggesting Epstein may have feigned suicidal ideation for safety.
  • Quote:

    “Maybe he said, you know what, I’m gonna say I’m gonna hurt myself, I’m gonna get moved to suicide watch, and that’s gonna be that.” (33:45, Capucci)

4. The Final Days: Negligence, Assault, and the End

• Cellmate Incident & Negligence (36:19–41:00):
  The inexplicable decision to house Epstein with Nicholas Tartaglioni, a former cop charged with quadruple homicide, led to Epstein allegedly being assaulted. Capucci calls out the prison for gross negligence, hinting at a cover-up.
  • Quote:

    “Why would they put him in a cell with Nicholas Tartaglioni?... None of it makes sense and they don’t have any logical answers for us.” (39:20, Capucci)

• Epstein’s Death (41:00–43:00):
  Capucci covers the night of Epstein’s death, underscoring systemic failures and calling outrage to the ongoing lack of accountability—especially from leaders like Attorney General Bill Barr.

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Ghislaine Maxwell: Predator, Not Pawn

1. The Manipulation and Luring of Victims

• Newsweek Interview with Barry Levine (43:00–47:43):
  Capucci reads and reacts to Levine’s statements emphasizing Maxwell’s proactive role in recruitment, using her social standing and gender to gain victims' trust.
  • Quote (Levine via Newsweek):

    “The most troubling aspect of it is young girls and minors certainly will look at the woman figure as the protector. And they felt initially safe because of Maxwell’s presence.” (47:50, Levine via Capucci)

2. Maxwell as Co-Conspirator

• Dynamic of the Epstein-Maxwell Partnership:
  Capucci rejects any narrative painting Maxwell as a mere Epstein victim or love-stricken subordinate, instead framing her as an empowered co-conspirator. He contends much of their public relationship was a cover developed for credibility and access.
  • Quote:

    “She is not a victim... Ghislaine Maxwell is a co-conspirator, a fellow child abuser, and a bipedal serpent.” (57:00, Capucci)

• On the ‘Love Story’ Defense:
  Capucci vigorously disputes the idea of maximum’s actions being motivated by love or dependence, citing her upbringing in spycraft and active operational role.
  • Quote:

    “If you’re not familiar with the show ‘The Americans,’ do yourself a favor... You’ll understand what I’m talking about. They’re playing a role; that’s what spycraft is.” (56:30, Capucci)

3. Other Reflections on Maxwell

• Maxwell’s Background and Relationship to Power
  Levine’s book (as discussed by Capucci) explores Maxwell’s arrival in New York, grief from her father’s death, and her seeking status and financial support—yet Capucci insists these motivations do not excuse her active criminality.
  • Quote:

    “This is somebody who went into this with both eyes open, was involved with it with both eyes open.” (57:20, Capucci)

• Disputes Over Sources:
  Capucci voices skepticism about some sources discussed by Levine (e.g., Christina Oxenberg), cautioning listeners to weigh testimony according to direct involvement and credibility.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote / Context | |-----------|-------------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 04:10 | Capucci | “Why wasn’t there a bunch of cameras set up, ready to go? … Makes you wonder, doesn’t it?” | | 16:30 | Capucci | “[One-percenters] embarked on a stealth lobbying campaign on Epstein’s behalf…” | | 22:11 | Capucci quoting Boyce | “I told them, look, just walk away. This is a bad guy. He is much worse than you ever know. Don’t walk, run.” | | 24:18 | Capucci | “You are going to get a taste of jailhouse justice if you’re in Gen Pop …” | | 33:45 | Capucci | “Maybe he said, you know what, I’m gonna say I’m gonna hurt myself, … get moved to suicide watch…” | | 39:20 | Capucci | “Why would they put him in a cell with Nicholas Tartaglioni?... None of it makes sense…” | | 47:50 | Levine via Newsweek | “The most troubling aspect… is young girls and minors look at the woman figure as the protector. They felt initially safe because of Maxwell's presence.” | | 57:00 | Capucci | “She is not a victim... Ghislaine Maxwell is a co-conspirator, a fellow child abuser, and a bipedal serpent.” |

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Epstein Arrest & Planning: 03:00–12:00
• Elite Influence and Favor-Seeking: 15:00–22:00
• Epstein’s Jail Experience, Extortion, Suicide Watch: 22:20–36:19
• Negligent Cellmate Assignment, The Night of Epstein’s Death: 36:19–43:00
• Maxwell’s Role & Newsweek Interview with Barry Levine: 43:00–58:00
• Debunking Maxwell Sympathy Narratives: 52:00–58:00

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Episode Tone & Style

Capucci’s delivery is raw, direct, and impassioned—with a heavy dose of skepticism toward institutional power and elite privilege. He interweaves dark humor with firm moral clarity, repeatedly challenging both official narratives and mainstream media “soft-pedaling” of Epstein and Maxwell’s relationship.

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Summary Takeaways

• The arrest of Epstein was long-planned and notably lacking in public transparency.
• Even after his 2019 arrest, Epstein benefited from attempts by powerful friends to secure him favorable jail conditions—efforts firmly rebuffed by some in law enforcement.
• Epstein was quickly isolated within jail, subject to both extortion and physical threat, leading to his movement into suicide watch and ultimately, his still-contested death.
• Barry Levine’s reporting, as discussed in the episode, underscores Ghislaine Maxwell’s fully conscious participation and leadership in the abuse operation, not as a mere accessory but as a major architect.
• Capucci warns listeners to stay alert for revisionist or overly sympathetic accounts regarding Maxwell, stressing the vital importance of survivor testimony and following the money for accountability.

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For those seeking an unvarnished, deeply informed perspective on the Epstein saga and the ongoing pursuit of justice, this episode is a comprehensive, illuminating listen.

Transcript

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we're going to discuss another excerpt from the book Spider by Barry Levine. Yesterday we discussed an excerpt of the book that talked about some of the gossiping going on within the jail in regards to Jeffrey Epstein and his conversations with Bill Mercy and another inmate. Well, today we're going to check out another excerpt of this book about Jeffrey Epstein's final days and how he was whining about bullying. Sounds about right, a guy like that, a real bully. The second you stand up to them, the second you punch them in the nose, they look for easier targets. And it's ironic that the king of the bullies would be crying about being bullied. This article is from the Daily Beast. The author of the article is Barry Levine. On the afternoon of July 6, 2019, a force of NYPD officers and FBI agents were, appropriately enough, in a holding pattern at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey. Now, we know that's where Epstein was arrested. He was coming back from France and they nailed him at Teterboro. Now, why wasn't there a bunch of cameras there set up, ready to go? Why wasn't it as publicized as some of some of the more political type arrests that we've had lately? It makes you wonder, doesn't it? The high that Saturday was a sweltering 88 degrees. Sweltering 88 degrees. I live in Las Vegas. We're going on like 175 days without rain. I got your sweltering right here. One hundred and fifteen damn degrees. That's sweltering. Skies were overcast, and the humidity made the tarmac feel even hotter. A few of the federal agents and New York City detectives were wearing suits and ties. Others perspired in their navy blue windbreakers, known as ray jackets, stamped with the yellow letters FBI. That's the worst possible thing you could imagine, waiting for you or kicking in your door. Dudes wearing them blue jackets with those three letters on it. Yeah, I'll pass on all of that. As the airport's ground crew looked on, the small army of law enforcement, close to 50 in all, assembled near Hangar 1, an area adjacent to a U.S. customs and Border Protection office. They were awaiting the arrival of Jeffrey Epstein. You know, it's great and all that he got arrested when he did, but still, I can't get the taste out of my mouth of all of the decades, of all of the years that this man was able to operate and. And nobody stepped up to do a thing. And then when they do arrest him, there's no fanfare. We don't have a reporter embedded. We don't have pictures. We don't have none of that stuff. The arrest team had been poised for this moment ever since word came down earlier that Epstein had boarded his Gulfstream G550, tail number N212JE in Paris. Four days earlier, United States Southern District Magistrate Judge Barbara Moses had signed a se arrest warrant for Epstein. So while Epstein was in Paris doing whatever the hell he was doing with Shuliak, the prosecutors decided that now was the time. So they had this sealed indictment. And when Epstein was returning home to America, they decided to spring their trap. The operation at Teeter Barrow would be a. Would be a statement of a carefully calibrated confidential effort that Jeffrey Berman, the U.S. attorney in the District, and his team of prosecutors had begun some six months earlier. So before he got arrested, there was six months of legwork done. All sorts of investigative work, I'm sure, interviews and gathering of information, obviously. And then once they had their ducks in a row, they got the sealed indictment. And the second he came back to America, it was time to arrest his bitch ass. The problem, however, was that Epstein wasn't in the country. He was in France. Law enforcement tracked the movements of his private jet. See, that's another thing. That's a little golden nugget here, right? I stated earlier that they were doing the same thing with Ghislaine Maxwell. There was no way they. That Ghislaine Maxwell was going to get out of this country using conventional means. And that is why she was in New Hampshire, so close to Canada. The Montreal connection. We've discussed all of that, and it is obvious that Ghislaine Maxwell would have bounced if she could have. They knew their best chance for a clean apprehension would be right after he touched down in the United States. Trying to arrest someone like Epstein in one of his palatial homes presented challenges and dangers that the FBI and NYPD were keen to avoid. Ah, what, he has armed guards? He has guys with machine guns hanging out in machine gun nests in front of his house? That wasn't going to occur. I, you know, I get it why you want to pick him up at the airport, but there should have been at the same time that he was picked up, every one of his properties should have been raided, and we know that Zorro Ranch wasn't. So the second he got picked up, what did his associates do with any documentation at Zorro Ranch? I'm guessing they destroyed it. So that's just a big slap in the face to the survivors, Everyone who was abused in New Mexico and justice itself. I've been pretty clear about how I feel about the New Mexico Attorney General and how they have won after this case. I think it's appalling that there's no concurrent state investigation going on. And I also think that it is unimaginable that Zorro Ranch has still not been raided. Epstein had taken off from Paris four other times that year. His last flight in April took him from the French capital to Rabat, Morocco, for a nine hour visit. What's he doing in Morocco for nine hours? What the hell's going on in Rabat that he's there for nine flippin hours? Flights to and from Teterboro were routine for him, like taking a car service. He expected to be back in his mansion within an hour or so of the N212JE's crossing into American airspace over Maine. The arrest team waited. I would have loved to see Jeffrey Epstein's face when they nailed him coming off that plane. And I also wonder if he was tipped off while he was in the air. Um, you would think that if he was, he might have had the pilot skirt and head back to where he was going. But I really don't know how all of that would work. Right. Would the government scramble F16s at that point? I have no idea. But I would have loved to see this guy's face when he got off that airplane. And there was an army of federal agents and NYPD Officers waiting to greet him. That would have been joyful. The police officers and federal agents who made up the arrest force at Teterboro had arrested hundreds of violent felons on the among them, only seasoned officers and agents with impeccable service records were handpicked for task force work. Well, that's good to know, right? Some impeccable recorded agents on the case. You know, I give the FBI a real hard time, and they deserve it. Same with the CIA. And I believe that there are way too many federal agencies as it is. But when it comes to the rank and file at the FBI, I would say the overwhelming majority of the agents themselves want to do the right thing. It's the bureaucrats that are above them. That force shit on them. They force them to eat shit sandwiches, and they force them to jettison cases. So when I talk about the FBI, I don't mean the rank and file. There are good people who work in the agency. I'm sure of that. I mean, let's be honest. But when it comes to the leadership structure, these bureaucrats that have been in these positions unelected, by the way, have to go. There needs to be a purge, and there needs to be new blood brought into the FBI. And the CIA needs to be completely and utterly destroyed and rebuilt into something different. But the Epstein operation and its secrecy made some nervous. Epstein was rich and had ties to powerful figures in New York media. A source close to the investigation said lawman feared that someone would give the financier pedophile a heads up. Yeah, well, that. You know what? That could have played into them not having the media there. That's definitely a good point that I might have overlooked because we know Epstein had a bunch of friends in the media. Katie Couric, George Stephanopoulos, the list goes on. So if the media got wind of this, then they might have tipped Jeffrey Epstein off. I know that's horrible to say, but how long did the legacy media protect Jeffrey Epstein? How long did the legacy media run cover for Jeffrey Epstein? How long did the legacy media kill stories about Jeffrey Epstein? So why should we think that the legacy media would have kept their yap shut in this instance? That's a very good point. Federal officials were afraid if Epstein learned about the planned arrest and flight, he would turn into Roman Polanski and order his pilot to make a detour to a place from where he could not be extradited. Said Lt. Gene White of the NYPD. We didn't want to spook him because they were going to arrest him as soon as he landed and before his pilot could restart the engine. That's crazy. So you think what they're saying here is that they think his pilot was so loyal to him that his pilot was willing to restart that engine and aid and abet a man wanted on felony crimes leaving the country. That shows you the loyalty of the pilot. Again, sometimes we have to read in between the lines and see what they're saying in these sort of conversations. Right. And it definitely is pretty jaw dropping to think that the pilot's loyalty ran that deep. And if that's the case, then you know that the pilot has some intricate, intricate knowledge of Jeffrey Epstein. And I'm not sure if it was Larry Vassoski who was the pilot of that flight. I should. I have to look that up, look into that. But I'm guessing it was. And Larry Vasoski, obviously is super loyal to Jeffrey Epstein. The precautions turned out to be unnecessary. As Epstein's aircraft taxied to a stop on the tarmac, it was met by sedans and SUVs with lights and sirens blaring. NYPD detectives and FBI agents swarmed the aircraft. They wore their blue windbreaker raid jackets. Their sidearms were out. Epstein offered no resistance as he was placed in cuffs. It was 5:30pm well, yeah. Why would he offer resistance? He figures he's gonna go, he'll get, you know, into the court, they'll check him in, and then he'll be out that same day. That's what he thought. He thought that his contacts were still going to protect him. What he didn't know was that he was already burned as an asset the second he was arrested. The second time his handlers burned him and got rid of all evidence that connected themselves. That I am sure of. That's what happens in these sorts of operations. What, you think intelligence runs assets, and then they keep information hanging around that can tie them to that asset? Hell, no. Not in black ops like this. Hell no. And that's why I think it's crucial to follow the money, because we're never going to find the ties that connect these higher upper echelon managers, people, managers in intelligence. We're never gonna find their fingerprints. There's zero chance it's gonna be buried, in my opinion. But when it comes to the money, well, you can't hide that. And that is why I am so adamant about following the money in this case and tying all of these scumbags together financially. No one else on the plane was taken into custody. Some media reports indicated that the 30 year old Corinna Schuliak, a Belarusian emigre and dentist who was one of Epstein's latest romantic interests and a woman with whom he had grown closer of late, had been vacationing with Epstein at his Paris apartment and that she had been on his jet when Epstein was arrested. Law enforcement sources familiar with Epstein's apprehension, however, dispute this and insisting Schuliac was not on the arriving flight. Well, again, another little gem, right? Another little nugget. And of course we don't, you know, we have to make sure that we're doing our legwork to find out what's what. But in this new book that Barry Levine, Levine, however you want to pronounce his last name, has just dropped. He's offering a different perspective here. Some stuff that, you know, fills in a couple of the cracks, perhaps. And again, it's all about context, right? The more we know, the better off we are.

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After clearing U.S. customs, Epstein was turned over to the custody of the U.S. marshals Service and driven some 10 miles south to the Metropolitan Correctional center in lower Manhattan, a federal jail known as the mcc, where prisoners charged with federal crimes are detained while awaiting arraignment or trial. And we know the MCC is a pretty notorious place. I mean, El chapo was there, etc. Etc. Epstein had grown up in modest surroundings, but he never experienced conditions like those in the mcc. For a man who had long since grown accustomed to a pampered life, landing in the MCC was a rude awakening, far harsher than anything he'd experienced years earlier in the county lockup in Florida. It was a long time coming. This dude should have been dropped in a federal cell a long time ago and chemically castrated. The whole entire farce of his first so called arrest is ridiculous. All right? I don't even want to call it an arrest. He had sleepovers, glorified sleepovers at the. In a whole wing of the Palm beach lockup. You want to talk about a stark difference? A federal jail cell. And if Anybody has ever deserved to lose their freedom, it's this scumbag here. Robert Boyce had retired from his job as the NYPD's chief of detectives in April 2018 after a 35 career with the department. Even though Boyce was no longer the department's top detective, his gregarious nature and close relationship with top brass within New York's law enforcement community made him an inviting go between for someone hop to assist the beleaguered financier pedophile without so much as leaving a fingerprint. Wow, that's crazy. It's ins. I mean, the. The connections that Jeffrey Epstein had, all of the people that he was involved with, and all of these people like Boyce who worked on his behalf to try and get him free. It's just mind blowing to me. Why would anybody associate with this dirt scumbag? Boyce revealed how in the days following Epstein's July 2019 arrest, a handful of Police foundation benefactors, those he termed one percenters, embarked on what amounted to a stealth lobbying campaign on Epstein's behalf meant to ease his discomfort behind bars. Oh, excuse me. So it wasn't boys, it was the. The other people he was working with, some of the. The top 1% in people in the Police foundation, et cetera, et cetera. So of course the leadership structure, the bureaucrats, not the officers themselves. Despite the common knowledge that Epstein was a convicted sex offender, these sweet people believed the favor bank was open for business. And each caller importuning him sought to make a withdra on Epstein's behalf. So they were all calling in, trying to get Epstein more favorable conditions. You know, all the stuff we talk about, the stuff that only people in high society or so called high society are able to gain. People like us? No chance. You really think anyone's calling on our behalf? Besides our family and a few of our friends? You think the Police foundation is stepping in to try and help you out? Hell no, they're not. But if you're Jeffrey Epstein and you have a pocket full of money and they feel like they can use you as a vehicle to climb up status, the status ladder, well, you're part of the. You're part of the crew. Now I'm making a call on your behalf. And it's all about the money. Always. So all of these people who were calling on his behalf, my suspicion is they all received some sort of money from Jeffrey Epstein at some point. And that as well should be looked into. There were upper crust elites who met Epstein over cocktails and thought he was charming he won them over, Boyce explained. You know, that's just not an excuse for me. I don't care how charming you are. I don't care how cool you think you are. If you have a conviction as a sex offender the way Jeffrey Epstein did and for the crime that he was associated with. I mean, I don't care how charming you are. I'm not hanging out with you at any dinner function. And furthermore, I most certainly am not making any phone calls on your behalf. Maybe making a phone call to ask the federal marshals to make your life worse, but to help you. What sort of scumbag? The foundation members making calls on Epstein's behalf had each at one time been generous benefactors of the police foundation. One contributed as much as $50,000. You know, they're calling not to say hello, Bob, but rather we're concerned about a friend of ours who is imprisoned. What are they, the mafia? Yo, yo. Hey, John, look, a friend of ours is in some trouble. I'm gonna need you to take care of it. Oh. I mean, that's basically how they conduct themselves. At least the mafia is straight up and up front about what's going on. And furthermore, you'll get a better rate if you borrow money from the mafia than you would from the banksters. They wanted to buy him things, certain comforts while he was in the jail cell, like a pillow or toiletries. The callers gave Boyce the impression that each was prepared to cut a personal check on Epstein's behalf on the spot. Epstein needed money. They needed people to cut checks. I thought he was rich. I thought, he's a billionaire. None of this had no, none of this makes sense. None of this makes sense at all. Why would they be trying to put money on Jeffrey Epstein's books? What does that even mean? Boyce was not inclined to help. By the time the callers reached the former chief of detectives, word had reached him through another former law enforcement official about the nature of the cache of lurid photographs that had been seized from Epstein's townhouse. The trove of photos numbered in the hundreds, and the subjects were suspected survivors of Epstein's perdeau. And now all of these people knew what Jeffrey Epstein was. They knew about the pictures. They knew about the video. And yet these ex law enforcement officials are calling on his behalf. And you wonder why I rant and rave about the just US Department on a regular basis. This is why, folks. And it's brazen. Right in your face. They're saying, ha ha, you can't stop Me. We have all the power. What are you going to do about it? And well, you know my answer to that. And that is vote every single incumbent out. Enough is enough. They want to play games. They want to literally negotiate with our

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but yet they don't want to do their jobs. They don't want to go after people who they should be going after instead, they protect them instead, they get in bed with them of instead. Meanwhile, you and I continue to struggle. Boyce diplomatically discouraged the caller's misguided impulses. I told them, look, just walk away. This is a bad guy. He is much worse than you ever know. Don't walk, run. They immediately said, thank you very much, Chief, and hung up. So this Boyce guy, ex Chief of detectives, has his head on straight, understood what Epstein was and knew the sort of monster he was. He had access to Epstein's files, the chief of detective and the detectives in the NYPD for 35 years. Yeah, pretty sure the guy knew what was up, what was what. And it was a definitely a good decision on his part to not get involved with Jeffrey Epstein. To not vouch for Jeffrey Epstein, to not co sign for Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein's first night inside the MCC was spent in what's referred to as the general population. 90% of MCC population was in gen pop, including most pretrial prisoners who tend to be more agitated and potentially more dangerous than those who have been sentenced and are awaiting for a prison transfer or those due for imminent release. And I mean, sending him to gen pop, right, is just a bad idea. The whole circumstance around his arrest and what transpired after is an absolute shit show. An absolute shit show. And there is no excuse for it by the Department of Corrections. They have a huge budget. A huge budget, and they mismanage and misappropriate their funds on a regular basis and then complain that they're stretched so thin. Manage your funds correctly. The tier Epstein was first sent to, 7N, included gang members of Ms. 13 and various Bloods factions. It was a holding home for murderers, narco traffickers and other violent criminals. And jailhouse assaults either to settle a score for hire were common. No doubt about it. If you catch a green light in jail or prison, somebody's gonna have their way with you. You're gonna get shanked, you better be ready to go. And a convicted pedophile, a convicted sex offender, bro, you're priority number one. If you're on the yard, forget it. You are going to get a taste of jailhouse justice. If you're in Gen pop. So this guy should have never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever been in gen pop. On Epstein's second day behind bars, the Bureau of Prisons administrators transferred Epstein from 7N to the 9th floor south, or 9 unit, or shoe. It was also known in the MCC vernacular as the hole. Look for his own safety and for the safety of the, the. The case. That's where he should have been from the beginning. Now, we all know it was a shit show in there as well, but if he was in general population, I have no doubt that he would have found a shank stuck into his ribs. Hey, everybody.

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Not only do these people look to take out convicted sex offenders, they're looking for clout with the other homies, with the shot callers, with everybody else on the yard. So they make a move like this, they have automatic credibility. Everybody on the yard knows the deal. Yo, that's the dude that got Epstein. Yo, that's the dude that got Epstein. And all of a sudden, he's a superstar. But as we see, even in the shoe, shit goes south. The MCC was a hard place to keep secrets. The nature of Epstein's crimes became rather known inside the building. Rather than harming Epstein physically, several young prisoners in the unit initially sought to intimidate and extort him, according to inmate Michael Miles Tisdale, who ran the Inmate Companion program that had been established to assist at risk prisoners. So we talked a little bit about this on the daily drop last night. He was run out, Tisdale explained, meaning Epstein was ostracized from other prisoners in the housing unit. That's the first step. First you're isolated. Go sit at that table by yourself. Chomo. And that's what they call child molesters in prison. Chomos. So first you're ostracized. Go sit at that table. Stay the f away from us. We don't want your taint on us. You're disgusting, you're blah, blah, blah, et cetera, et cetera. And that's how it all begins. Tisdal said he heard about this effort initially from one of the guards and later from Epstein himself. Other inmates tried to extort him. They tried to control him by selling him commissary items like snacks, sodas, and certain meals for way above what they're supposed to be sold for. Yeah, they saw somebody to exploit a piggy bank, Somebody that could not defend themselves. And guess what? I have no sympathy for this bitch ass. He spent his whole life bullying. He spent his whole life in control. The fact that the inmates were dispensing their own justice at his be at. On. On his head. I am totally fine with that. You don't want to end up like that. Stay out of prison. You don't want to get, you know, stalled out. Don't be a punk bitch. And that's what Epstein was at his core, folks. A punk ass bitch. Not even a man, just a straight punk. According to inmate accounts, Epstein did use commissary cells in an effort to secure his safety within the jail. In conversations with another one of his counselors, inmate William dollar bill mercy, Epstein expressed the fear that he would be targeted by black inmates. Epstein did not raise these specific fears with Tisdale, who was black. Well, I got news for Jeffrey Epstein. You don't have any friends in prison, bro. For your crimes. Black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Italian. You have no friends. Every single one of the cars on the yard wants nothing to do with you. Your only hope is to go into protective custody down to the shoe and shoe up. That's the only way. You can't run the run on the yard. And the black folk. What do you think? The black shot callers aren't going to greenlight you for sure. Green light the essay shot callers?

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They're. They're not green lighting you. Green light the Aryan brotherhood. Believe it. Green light and forget about it. Don't even attempt to stumble around where the gins aloons are hanging out. You're asking for big trouble that way. The asians and pacific islanders, they don't want nothing to do with child molesters. So my point is, it's not just black people Jeffrey Epstein had to worry about. He was such a racist guy and so mentally unstable that he fixated on black folk. Like black people were the biggest of his problems in prison. Breaking news. Jeffrey Epstein. Your problems were much bigger than that. As mercy understood it, Epstein's worries about his safety were related to his experience and feelings about race. He had mentioned he'd been bullied at school in Coney island by black kids. Not by Italians, not by the Irish, but by black Kids. Mercy recalled. It's cause you were a dork, bro. Point blank period. And you weren't bullied. They broke your balls. Stop it. Just cause you get your balls broke doesn't mean you're being bullied. If you're not sharp enough, you don't got good enough comebacks. Well, that's what happens. I went to school in the inner city. I know all about merciless ball breaking. Jeffrey Epstein just was not built for that life. In one conversation, Mercy recalled Epstein asking, do I need to. Do I need a big shvar? Shvar or shvat is a pejorative Yiddish term for a black person. So it's like a, a slight for a black person. A not a good word that you want to call black people. Okay? And Jeffrey Epstein was very. Just throw those words around nonchalantly like there's, it's no big deal. Guy showed his colors on a regular basis. Maria told us about his racism and the other survivors talked about it as well. Jeffrey Epstein was an unhinged maniac. Mercy said he tried to admonish Epstein about his insecurity, advising him to look fellow prisoners in the eye and stand his ground. Yeah, that's what you do. That's what men do. All right? Men stand their ground, look other people in the eye when they talk to them and make it very clear, I am not the one that you want to target. Epstein was not a man, though. He was a coward, he was a snake. He was a bully. And he had no heart to deal with the repercussions of his actions. Within a few days of being assigned to the Shu, Epstein was put on suicide watch, which meant he was moved to an even grimmer environment. The suicide watch area consists of four cell units on the second floor of the jail that provide some of the most restrictive housing in the facility. Inmates assigned to Suicide watch are not permitted to leave their cells. Beds are without sheets. Clothing is more minimal to prevent self harming behaviors. Lights are never turned off. And inmates are supposed to be under 24.7watch by both prison guards and staff. Well, we know that that didn't occur. We know that Bill Barr's group of terribly trained correctional officers did not do their job. Their bosses didn't. Did not do their jobs, and their bosses did not do their jobs. So it was just an epic dumpster fire and there's been no fixing it. Has there been any sort of steps put into place to fix this stuff? I haven't heard about them. There needs to be a complete overhaul of the justice system. And the Department of Corrections in this country. The question is, which one of these talk a lot, do nothing politicians has the courage to do it? Tisdale remembered seeing Epstein in the unit, citing the distinctive jailhouse mufti worn by inmates on suicide watch, a gown with Velcro straps as proof. Tisdale and Mercy would both assert that Epstein was moved to suicide watch soon after he became an inmate on July 6th. Again, I think it's not a bad idea to have him on suicide watch, right? All things considered. And if we had a competent force here at the MCC to watch him, I think that would have been a good idea. And to keep him there. He should have never been let off suicide watch just to have double protections in place. They would not move him from the shoe to suicide watch unless he indicated to a prison psychologist or someone that he felt a desire to kill himself? Mercy said, you don't go there unless you express intent to hang up. Prison parlance for a desire to take one's life. Or maybe in Jeffrey Epstein's case, he preferred the solitude. Maybe he didn't want anything more to do with the inmates after he was getting sweated, after he got punked out to put money on people's commissaries, after he was paying 20 bucks per soda. Maybe he said, you know what I'm gonna say? I'm gonna hurt myself. I'm gonna get moved to suicide watch, and that's gonna be that. The revelation of this previously unreported first instance of Epstein being placed on suicide watch raises new questions about prison officials efforts to safeguard their high profile inmate. A representative for the Bureau of Prisons declined to comment on the allegation. Of course, it's an ongoing investigation. We have no comment. It's such an absolute joke. And Bill Barr is a joke too. The way he can. He conducts himself the way he conducts business. This guy is CIA through and through, not a trustworthy individual. And like I always say, he's like the Wade Phillips of bureaucrats. How many times are we gonna drag this guy back in, retread him, and have him as the guy in charge? I am so tired of that. You mean to tell me in this country that there's not a better person to be Attorney General of the United States? A person with more integrity, A person, A person who really wants to see just justice? Because from where I'm sitting, that certainly is not Bill Barr. After several days spent on suicide watch, Epstein was transferred back to the shoe. Hey, everybody.

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We're all seemed okay until the morning of July 23rd. Five days after his request to be remanded to house arrest was denied by a federal judge. On July 18, Epstein was found on the floor of his cell, semi conscious in the fetal position with marks on his neck. Epstein's cellmate Nicholas Tartaglioni, a muscle bound former police officer accused of a drug related quadruple homicide, summoned guards by yelling. Tartaglioni denied any complicity in the incident. Again, I don't believe that one bit. I believe that Tartaglioni did attack him. I believe that Tartaglioni was sending a message and I believe that the footage that wasn't found or the footage that, oh, we didn't have a camera pointed to the jail cell. I think that's bupkis. I think that's BS and they knew that Tartaglioni was the one who assaulted him. Why would they put him in a cell with Nicholas Tartaglioni, a former cop who was accused of a quadruple homicide that was related to drugs? Why do you put Jeffrey Epstein in that cell? Why not make him cellmates with that Bill Mercy guy? None of it makes sense and they don't have any logical answers for us. So until we have logical answers that make sense, that connect the pieces here, we're going to keep putting them on blast for the terrible job that they did. I cannot wait for the day that Bill Barr is no longer the Attorney General. The guy is an absolute disaster. Epstein went back to the SHU only six days after his purported suicide attempt. On August 9, Epstein's then cellmate transferred out with no immediate replacement. Epstein had his cell to himself. In what would have been the last meal served to Epstein, a database from the Federal Bureau of Prisons shows the dinner that night was likely baked ziti or a tofu pasta alternative. By 10, Epstein and the other inmates were locked in their cells for the night. So prob. I mean, my guess would be that Jeffrey Epstein's last meal was some baked ziti. Unless he's eating some tofu alternative. And I don't. I Never heard anything about him eating like that, but quite possible. Interesting little tidbit though. His last meal. Interesting, interesting, interesting. By morning he would be dead. So there you have it, folks, another excerpt from the book Spider by Barry Levine. Levine. I don't, I don't know how he pronounces his last name one way or the other. Either way, this is just more information for us to go through. I've started this audio book today. I have a. I'm a little bit into it, not very far. I've been in the studio all morning, since 5am working on obviously this show and working on the first episode of the new podcast that will be premiering on October 30th. So definitely have that to look forward to as well. But as far as this book, Spider, it sure looks that it is pretty comprehensive and it definitely looks like it's been well researched, well thought out, and it seems to have some nuggets of good information. So I'll continue to read it, I'll continue to keep my eye on articles breaking about it and we'll continue to talk about it. The fact of the matter is this, we are very close to having our hands on that deposition, folks. And when that deposition drops, I have a funny feeling that we're going to have a lot of these connections make a lot more sense. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that@bobby capuchirotonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A P U C c [e-mail] youm can also find me on Twitter at B O B ycap u C C I All of the links article out from Barry Levine talking about Ghislaine Maxwell and he talks about how she is just as much of a predator as Jeffrey Epstein. And I think it's a valid point for him to make and it's an important point for him to make considering we have been talking about that for how long here on this podcast? We've known for how long that she is not just some henchman or his girlfriend or a love interest. She is a co conspirator, a co boss and somebody who really, really was involved as far as leadership goes when it comes to this sex trafficking criminal ring. And a lot of people still don't want to put a stamp on it. A lot of people still don't want to talk about that portion of it. It's almost like people want to let her try and style herself as some sort of victim. So it's nice when we see people People like Barry Levine, who wrote the book the Spider, come out and talk to a legacy media joint like Newsweek and give them the really real. So we're gonna jump into this article from Newsweek and we're going to see what Barry Levine had to say to Newsweek about Ghislaine Maxwell. This article was originally run in Newsweek, but we're reading it from the MSN hosted site. The headline, why Ghislaine Maxwell was just as much a predator as Jeffrey Epstein, author of the article Jack Royston. Ghislaine Maxwell was able to lure young girls and minors to pedophile Jeffrey Epstein because they saw the woman figure as a protector. A biographer told Newsweek. That's definitely for sure. Those girls were very comfortable with Ghislaine Maxwell. If you listen to them and you listen to their stories, that's one of the key factors and the deciding factors for them to decide to go and quote, unquote, work for Jeffrey Epstein. They felt comfortable with Ms. England, right? She came over with that hoity toity accent, the whole entire, you know, Persona. And these young girls who came from broken homes who only probably only seen English people like this on TV before, you know, the, the really high crust, rich kind of people. So this lady comes in and she shows interest in them and she decides, hey, you know what? I got this guy I'd love for you to meet. You can make a few bucks too. And then, well, we know what happens after that. She brings them to Jeffrey Epstein and the nightmare begins. But it was a very, very, very, very good cover for her to be so hoity toity and to be so well spoken and so educated. Nobody ever expects people like that to be the ones that are devious and draconian. But what we have learned, especially in this case, is that it seems like people like that are all disgusting and draconian. The British socialite. What you mean fellow child abuser, general all around scuzzbag and bipedal serpent is awaiting trial on allegations she helped Epstein groom young girls for sex while they were in a relationship in the 1990s. Again, we have to, we have to address that. They were not in a relationship, okay? Not the kind of relationship you think of. Not the kind of relationship you're engaged in with your significant other. That's for sure. There were partners. They were put together by Maxwell and Maxwell's handlers and, well, not a pair of lovebirds, okay? Co conspirators for sure. Partners in crime, absolutely. Did Ghislaine Maxwell maybe have a crush on Jeffrey Epstein? I don't know, maybe. But as far as being lovers or lovebirds or anything like that, just not the case. I really suggest you watch the show the Americans and see how those agents acted when they were put together and supposed to be a quote, unquote family. In my opinion, she was just as responsible as Jeffrey Epstein. I've said that from the very beginning, and I'm pretty sure we're on. On the right path, considering all of the survivors are of the same mind. Ghislaine Maxwell was not just some, you know, shrinking Daisy. She was right in the middle of it. She had her job to do. Her portion of the leadership role was to make sure that they were welcomed into high society and to make sure the girls were comfortable. Meanwhile, Jeffrey was the front man for the quote, unquote, business end of things. But both of them shared power. They had equal power. And they were both just as responsible for what happened throughout the years that they were active together, at least in my opinion. Maxwell said in a. In a recently unsealed deposition it was part of her job for the New York financier pedophile to find adult massage therapists. Adult massage therapists, huh? So my question is this. You have to actually go and find adult massage therapists. Don't most of them have businesses or business cards or contact numbers or reviews or. It was word of mouth. You know, you don't go looking for massage therapists. You know. You know what, guys? As soon as I'm done with the podcast, I'm gonna go hit the strip. I'm gonna just go walk around and look for massage therapists. What does that even mean? It's absolutely ridiculous. And the fact that she said that in a deposition is even more ridiculous. She should have been absolutely hammered over that remark. Really? I go out and look for massages. That's my job. Why don't you just hire one really damn good massage that knows the ins and outs of Jeffrey's body, that knows what he needs, massage, that he knows what needs to be worked on. Because it wasn't about the massages. It was about the power and the abuse of these young girls. In a lot of instances, high school age, her accusers claim she groomed them to be abused by him with promises they would be helped in their careers. The daughter of deceased UK newspaper tycoon Robert Maxwell denies charges of trafficking and perjury and awaits trial in July. Some of the allegations against her are detailed in a new biography, the Spider, published recently by Crown, an imprint of Penguin Random House. Hey, everybody.

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So we've talked about Barry Levine's book the Spider when it first came out, but it is unbelievable to me that some people still are not hip to the type of devious, disgusting, bipedal serpent that Ghislaine Maxwell is and was. Author Barry Levine told Newsweek. The most troubling aspect of it is young girls and minors certainly will look at the woman figure as the protector. And they felt initially safe because of Maxwell's presence. That's a fact. We've heard the survivors talk about that, how being Ghislaine Maxwell, being a woman, offered them some false sense of security. And then once they were caught up in it, well, it was too late. They were already groomed, they were already involved. So Ghislaine Maxwell, even if that was her only role, say she wasn't a boss, right? Say that was her only role. That should, that should have get her 100 years in prison in my opinion anyway. But unfortunately for her, that was not her only role. She was a boss, she had underlings, she was engaged in a leadership role in a criminal conspiracy. You know what that smells like to me, folks? I know it's a little stuffed up, but it sure smells like RICO to me. Her and Jeffrey were this couple that would mentor young girls, give them scholarships and so forth, help them through their troubles, give them money for their families. Her presence in that relationship certainly helped to recruit and groom a lot of these girls. Yeah, dead on. 100% accurate. It's, you know, it's really sad that a woman like Ghislaine Maxwell, who had the whole world at her fingertips, Oxford educated, came from a rich family, even though they were thieves. What, you didn't have a few bucks squirreled away, you still didn't have a trust fund. Stop it. But instead of using this incredible wealth and privilege for good, instead she teams up with Jeffrey Epstein and they engage in this disgusting, sordid child sex trafficking ring. So she has nobody to blame for her but herself and the rest of these so called elites and rich people who get caught up in this shit. I have no empathy for you. You could have been anywhere else in the world. You have all the money in the world. Your ass could have been sitting on the beach in Ibiza. But instead, you're dicking around with Jeffrey Epstein, hanging out in his living room, down in his beach house down at Zorro Ranch. And then when it all comes to light, you want to cry crocodile tears and act like we should have empathy for you? Sorry, that's not going to occur. These women were not prepared that this woman would be as much of a predator and a monster as Jeffrey. From depositions and testimonies, it's clear that Ghislaine was just as much a predator as Jeffrey was. Yes, sing. Speak the truth, yell the gospel, Mr. Levine. Because it is imperative that these legacy media outlets understand what we're dealing with. It's imperative that they know that Ghislaine Maxwell is not somebody that they should be. Have empathy for or be sad that she doesn't have a bra in prison about. Okay? She is not that kind of person. She should elicit no emotion from anybody, no empathy from anybody. She should be treated as any other inmate would. She'll have her day in court. She'll have a chance to defend her name. And then when all the chips are laid out and all the cards are on the table, we'll see what's what and we'll see who's telling the truth. I have a pretty good feeling that Ghislaine Maxwell is going to spend the rest of her life in prison. The spider charts how Maxwell fell for Epstein when she moved to New York after the mysterious death of her father in 1991. Yeah, see, I don't agree with that. Again, while I think that there's a lot of good information in this book, the. The anyone who is on the path that Elaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein were some sort of lovebirds. They're. They're mistaken. They were put that again, I hate to keep saying it, but if you're not familiar with the show, the Americans, do yourself a favor and just watch a couple of episodes at least, and you'll understand what I'm talking about. Then they're playing a role, right? They're actors. That's what. That's what spycraft is. You're acting like you're something you're not. And there are people that are very, very good at it. And Ghislaine Maxwell most certainly was one of those people at the time he was morning, he was mourning the loss of his own father. Seymour Epstein, who died after a long illness in December that year, the book says. Levine said, I spent a lot of time in the book trying to explore a little bit of what had been Maxwell's mindset when she first met Jeffrey Epstein. This was right after the violent death of her father, who had died going overboard on the yacht and so forth. Well, we don't know if it's violent death. Right. He could have killed him. It could have been, you know, an accident. Right? Could have been. We don't know. But I would think that Robert Maxwell and all the bridges that he had burned, well, probably had that coming. Right. When you. When you're swimming around in that kind of world with that kind of murky water and those sort of seedy people. Yeah. It doesn't take much to end up in the middle of the ocean. Ghislaine was completely dysfunctional when she first came to New York. She came under Jeffrey's wing and Jeffrey took on his. This role of a father figure, figure, lover, mentor, confidant to her and so forth. For a time. I think Ghislaine was really under his spell. Yeah, see, I don't believe any of that. This is all part of the acting that I was just talking about. I think that these people, Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, they understood that they had to play the role. They had to make pretend that they were a couple. They had to make pretend that they were together or else this wouldn't have worked. Right. They couldn't have had such a close business employee relationship. That wouldn't have worked well for the. The circles they're moving in. So we always have to keep that at the front of our thoughts as well. It's, it's, it's so much more than just, oh, they were, they were lovers or there's so much more that goes into this cover. So much that more that goes into an operation like this. She was also counting on Jeffrey to finance her and support her. And I think she realized very quickly that she was either going to live this life with him or not at all. That's why she seemingly just went along with this and groomed these women and recruited these young girls and so forth. Yeah, sorry, I don't. Again, again, I don't agree with that. I think you're selling her a bit short and giving her a bit of a. An out. Almost like it was all Epstein's fault, like she's suffering from Stockholm syndrome. That is not the case. This is somebody who went into this with both eyes open, was involved with it with both eyes open. And then after Epstein was arrested, still maintained contact with him, still didn't come forward. She is not a victim. She is not some girl that fell in love with Jeffrey Epstein and circumstances led her here. I'm sorry, I will not bite and I will not buy that narrative. And in fact, I will attack that now narrative and challenge it anytime it's put forward. Levine has re examined much of the mountainous evidence for himself, including revisiting the notes made by journalist Sharon Churcher during the first press interviews with Virginia Roberts in which she said she was made to have sex with Prince Andrew. And he called on prosecutors to include the evidence of Maxwell's friend Christina Oxenberg, cousin of Prince Andrew. Yeah, sorry, I don't. I said it when. That. When she first came out with her stories. I don't believe Christina Oxenberg, not one bit. Sorry. Not. I don't. I don't. Just don't. Her stories don't seem to jive with what's going on here. Sorry. Doesn't make sense to me now. That doesn't mean she's not telling the truth. Right. She might be telling a bit of the truth, but I just don't think she has much to add when it comes to this story. And just another person looking for some shine, he told Newsweek. In my book, I have what I think is a very compelling confession that took place in 1997. This was when Ghislaine invited Christina to celebrate the success of Christina's novel Royal Blue. I write that the conversation turned to Maxwell's relationship with Epstein. She says, Jeffrey is very important to me and I need him to marry me. See, I don't. I don't. It's just. I don't believe that that's the case. I just. I'm sorry, I can't believe that that's the case. I have seen no evidence of that. And when you speak to survivors who are really in the know, not third persons like Oxenberg, you understand very quickly that Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein weren't in some kind of lovebird relationship. Oxenberg said that Maxwell confided that she was unable to keep up with Epstein's sexual appetite. And because of Epstein's needs that were impossible to meet, Maxwell felt obliged to bring in young girls to fulfill his sexual needs, according to Oxenberg's account of the conversation. Yeah, sorry, I don't buy that. I do not buy that. That was. Yeah, she brought them around, no doubt about it. But that was all part of the plan. That was all part of laying the groundwork for the blackmail scheme. However, Levine is uncompromising in his assessment of Maxwell's role in the abuse. Surrounded Epstein. He said Jeffrey and Ghislaine kind of became a predatory Bonnie and Clyde of sorts. Of the most troubling thing about Ghislaine's involvement is that she was willing to go through this because she believed that she was in love with him and wanted him to marry her. In some weird, warped way, she allowed all this to carry on in a way to please Jeffrey. Nope, sorry, I disagree with all of that. 100% disagree with it. Honestly. She wasn't there and doing that because she was in love with Epstein. Sorry, that was not the case. She was there because it was beneficial to her. She was there because this was a play that was put into motion by her father, the person whose knee she grew up next to, learning spycraft, learning all of this bullshit world that they live in. So you're gonna need to really come with a lot more evidence to convince me that she was Jeffrey Epstein's lover and they were in love and it was blissful and she did it all to make Jeffrey happy. Sorry, I'm not buying any of that. Okay, now that might be the COVID story that they laid for sure. That is certainly the sort of devious ass cover story that Operatives for Intelligence Age. Certainly something that they would do. They would institute a whole fake family, kids and all, because that is how spycraft works. And anybody who thinks that Ghislaine Maxwell was just with Jeffrey Epstein because she was in love with him or that she thought she needed him to take care of her financially, well, you have not really been paying attention, have you? Because there is so much more there. And Ghislaine Maxwell is not just some woman who got caught up with Jeffrey Epstein. Ghislaine Maxwell is a co conspirator, a fellow child abuser, and a bipedal serpent. If you'd like to contact me, you can do [e-mail] that's B O B B Y C A P u c I protonmail.com you can also find me on Twitter at Bobby Capuci. All of the links that go with this episode can be found in the description box. And to all of you who have

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