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Mega Edition: What Did Jane Doe Say During Her Testimony During The Ghislaine Maxwell Trial (5/26/26)
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In her testimony at the Ghislaine Maxwell trial, “Jane Doe” described being recruited as a minor into Jeffrey Epstein’s world through what initially appeared to be benign social contact and promises of money. She testified that she was drawn in at a...
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varies by location and welcome to the Epstein Chronicles. Yesterday marked day one of the Ghislaine Maxwell trial and I have to tell you, I was caught a bit off guard. I wasn't expecting Larry Big Dog Vassalski to be put on the stand right away like that. I figured there would be some opening statements from both sides and then we'd get into the meat and the potatoes, a little bit of the meat on the bone in the coming days. But they got right to it yesterday. And Larry Vassalski is a major cog within the Epstein realm. He was Epstein's pilot. He was flying all of these people all over the world. And obviously according to him, he'll tell you that he didn't know who was on all of those flights, especially the domestic ones. But you have to think that the government believes that he has something to add if they're calling him as their first witness. And it also makes me wonder if he cuts some kind of deal with the government now. Again, there's zero evidence that Larry Vassofsky was ever, you know, going to be indicted or anything like that. But it's pretty interesting that he's working with the government here. I mean, we're talking about a guy that Jeffrey Epstein gave a plot of land to right over there in his own ranch down in Stanley. And when I went down there to New Mexico, it is almost hard to explain just how vast this property is and just how desolate this property is. Jeffrey Epstein set up a nice little home Away from home down there at Zorro Ranch. And the things he was doing down there were very secretive, right? It wasn't something that was well publicized. There was a reason he chose that spot in New Mexico. I mean, obviously one of the reasons is the age of consent there. But there were other reasons why Jeffrey Epstein chose New Mexico. And the fact that he was able to. To get away with the things he was able to get away with in New Mexico is just mind boggling to me. But the point is, you don't give somebody a big fat chunk of land in a place that you're hoping to keep relatively private, or at the very least under a shroud of secrecy, a piece of land there if you don't trust them. So my question is, what enticed him to offer up information for the government? Now, again, I don't have any, you know, lead saying that he had a proffer agreement or he was in any jeopardy of being indicted. But I just find it interesting that he is talking with the government now, and not only just talking with the government, obviously, but taking the stand as a government witness. Usually that kind of thing doesn't just happen organically, Right. The government is, you know, they find ways to get people to do what they want them to do. Especially if you have something that might be criminal hanging over your head, they will definitely leverage that. They'll use it in their favor and they'll get you moving in a direction that they want you to move in. So the Larry Vassalski on the stand, it's definitely very interesting. But as I ruminated on it last night and I let it marinate, I had some more questions, right? Like, did he get a proffer agreement? Is he working with the government because he doesn't want to be charged himself, or did they just turn him as a witness? So it's going to be very interesting to see all of the details, right, all of the specifics as we move forward. And with something like this, a trial, a case with just so much information, it's going to be very fluid. Things are going to happen quickly and things are going to happen on a daily basis. Every single time that you have this jury impaneled and the trial going on, you're going to have, you know, significant things coming out of those sessions. So getting right off to a jump with Larry Vassoski as witness number one, it just tells me that there's going to be some more surprises coming down the old chute here. And I'm very curious to see who else the government offers up as witnesses. And on the flip side of that, I'm wondering who the defense is gonna pony up as a witness besides their paid for specialists. Are they going to have anyone show up and, you know, polish Ghislaine Maxwell's reputation? Is anyone going to step into that box and say, hey, look, Galan Maxwell's a good person. She didn't do this and I think that she's innocent. Now, I haven't heard that they're going to have anybody up there to do that, but you would think, right, if you're the defense, one thing you want to do is try to establish that your client has, you know, is a person of character, is somebody who this is below and somebody who would never engage in behavior like this. And if your client is somebody like that, it stands to reason that you'd be able to find a few people that are willing to, you know, go on the record and testify that she's a good person or that she's somebody of upstanding character. So I'm interested to see what sort of trick the Maxwell team pulls out of their hat when it comes to establishing her as a credible person or somebody who should be believed because you know that the, the prosecution is, they're coming hard. Obviously, if Vassaski is the first witness, you got to think that there's going to be a litany of people trotting up to that box that have damning statements about Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein and. And the way they were conducting themselves. And who better situated than the guy that was flying them all around the world? Now, last night I updated and uploaded an episode about the other pilot that was brought up at this trial, David Rogers. You might want to check that out as well. But with Larry Vasoski taking the stand here, it's pretty significant for those of us who have been following the case, especially I was talking with some of my colleagues who follow the case yesterday and it was pretty much a unan. A unanimous consensus that, you know, this is probably going to lead us to even more explosive witnesses hitting that stand. So I'm very interested to see where things go today and I'm interested to see what sort of strategy the defense is going to use when it comes to cross examining Larry Vassavski. We can definitely expect more of Vassaski today and, you know, we'll see what comes of it. But I think it's very, very interesting that he was the first witness and I think it's going to be interesting to see how it all breaks down from here. So today what we're going to do is we're going to take a look at some of the headlines from overnight and, yeah, take a look at what's going on. We have a headline over here from Slate, and this is an article that was published by Seth Stevenson. The headline, glenn Maxwell's trial opens with her lawyer diving straight into the muck and he goes into what's going on outside of the courthouse. And all that jazz from the article. Outside the Thurgood Marshall Federal Courthouse in lower Manhattan this morning, the media throng assembled to cover day one of the Ghislaine Maxwell trial. Print reporters, newsletter writers, podcasters and television crews coalesced into the strangely glamorous frenzy that seems to accompany the launch of every high, high profile criminal proceeding. Now, the reason I bring this headline up is I talk a lot about how it's carnival barker city right now, and you're definitely seeing it out in front of the courthouse. There are people of all stripes showing up and making their voices heard. And you know, you have a lot of misinformed people as well. But one thing is very apparent to me, and it is that there is a lot of anger on both sides of the political fence. And it's not very often that you see that. Now, of course, there are the yahoos that are using this as a political cudgel to beat their political opponents over the head. And I'd be very cautious of any of these pundits that are talking about this case from either side of the conversation. I'd be very cautious about what sort of rhetoric they're spinning towards you, because this is much bigger than that. This is so much bigger than Republican and Democrat. This is so much bigger than left and right. You have to understand that this were, this was people at all, levers of power from both parties who were enabling this and facilitating this for decades. So to try and pin it on one party or the other is a great disservice to those who were actually abused by this scumbag. So while the circus like atmosphere is to be expected, I think that it is one of the most gross ways to go about things when you're using this as a political cudgel. Now, of course there's a political angle to it, right? Definitely a lot of the people involved had ties to politicians or were politicians themselves. But it's very apparent when someone's trying to harness this as a political weapon, and I would just caution you to be very, very wary of that. He goes on to say, I've seen it before. It always starts this way in Mystery and Frisian, and it always ends in the, in the squalor. That's the reality of crime. No matter the trial, when it comes to a high profile one, it's always going to have a cast of characters, right? So I just, it's one of those things where I just, I, I witness and I observe and shake my head. Um, you know, you have like, like he says here, when Michael Jackson's trial for child sexual abuse charges was getting underway, the media revved up to cover the bizarre tale of an eccentric global superstar. And then the trial began and we met a dim, lonely drunk who liked to show porno mags to little boys. So I guess what he's trying to say here in this article is the perception of what a trial is going to be and then the reality of it are usually two very, very different things. And, and I think we'll see a lot of that in this case as well. There are a lot of misinformed people when it comes to the Jeffrey Epstein case, the Ghislaine Maxwell trial, and all of the players on the stage. And hopefully when we're done here on the podcast, we can try and clear a little bit of that up. And my suggestion would be to all of you out there who are new to this case, who have just found the Ghislaine Maxwell trial or have just gotten interested in this, I would suggest that you go onto social media and you seek out some of the survivors from this case and follow them on social media and listen to them in their own words. That way there's no background noise, there's no middleman. And one thing that these survivors did that was pretty much groundbreaking was they skipped the legacy media and they went directly to social media, to independent content creators and independent journalists to get the story out. And once there was such a swell from all of you people out there who have been following this case, they were forced to act right. And it's been pretty crazy to watch it all unfold.
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because it has been time and time again where not only were these these girls women victimized by Jeffrey Epstein and allegedly Maxwell, but by our very own justice system, by the people who were put in place to make sure that the most vulnerable amongst us are protected. Those very people failed these girls and you heard it yesterday in the trial and it's something I've been punching home for a long time here. They chose girls from broken homes, girls who come from low income families, girls who don't have as many prospects on the horizon and they specifically search these kinds of girls out. And that just makes it even more draconian to me. As if it's not hard enough being broke, being poor, coming from a broken home. Now you have this multi hundred million dollar predator and his co associate, his underboss bringing you in to groom you and molest you. And it's absolutely horrendous to think about. And the fact that they preyed on the most vulnerable amongst us, it just makes me so mad. I really dislike bullies and I really like people who punch down. I really dislike people who punch down. And Jeffrey Epstein was all of that. And Ghislaine Maxwell, she went right along with it. She was right there making decisions with him and helping him facilitate all of this, according to multiple, multiple survivors. He goes on to say that he suspects that the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell, who stands accused of helping Jeffrey Epstein sexually abused minors will follow a similar, similar arc to those other trials. Meaning, you know, the whole entire circus atmosphere, et cetera, et cetera. He says the media has revved itself up to cover the story of a stylish jet setting socialite who broke fantastically bad. But over the coming long courtroom days, chances are we'll hear less about how she graduated from Oxford, speaks several languages and can pilot helicopters, and more about how she allegedly took teenage girls on Florida shopping mall excursions as a means of prepping them for molestation. Yeah, well, anyone who's showing up here thinking that Ghislaine Maxwell is just some, you know, shrinking violet socialite, you're in for a rude awakening, because that is not the case. Ghislaine Maxwell is not that okay? She knew exactly what she was getting into. Well, educated lady comes from money, comes from power. And to think that she was just along for the ride is absolutely ridiculous. And, you know, again, when we talk about the overall atmosphere around this trial, there's gonna be some wildness. There's no doubt about it. And there's going to be a ton of carnival barkers and a ton of disinformation agents. But one thing that is going to be constant, one thing that you can guarantee is the profile that's going to be painted of Ghislaine Maxwell is going to be less than flattering by the prosecution. And not only that, but those assertions, well, they're going to be backed up by evidence and the statements from the survivors themselves. So it's going to be a very, very interesting few weeks to see which way Maxwell's team goes with all of this. Now, we already know that their strategy so far has been to come out and blame the girls, basically, right? Saying that, you know, Maxwell was a just someone who was around for Epstein's run. She didn't have anything to do with it. And, you know, the girls are liars. They're really above the age of consent. So you know how it goes. This is the typical defense when you see a case like this. You know, they try and impugn the reputation of the accusers. They try and set them up as if they're money hungry or they're prostitutes or whatever it may be. But it's the age that they've been doing this forever. It's like when you're in the NFL and you fire your coach and you think it's a good idea to bring in Wade Wilson again, Bro, why are you bringing in the same guy with the same playbook and that's what the Maxwell team is doing here. And I've been pretty steadfast in my opinion, that it's not going to work out. You're not gonna paint Maxwell as a scapegoat. She's not a stand in for Epstein's crimes, none of that. And I really hope that the prosecution punches that home now. Again, not very confident in the, the prosecution in America, the prosecutors in America, when they're going after high profile people, oh sure, when the federal authorities are going after you or me, it's a home run for them, right? Slam dunk city. But when they're going after their own friends, the other members of so called elite society turn. Usually turns out a little bit different, doesn't it? But hopefully there's enough interest and enough, enough anger around this case that they can't pull any of those nonsensical moves that they usually like to pull. So I hope that the prosecution continues to beat home the fact that Ghislaine Maxwell was not a passenger on this ship. She wasn't just somebody who was stowing away. She was in fact piloting the ship. Sometimes she was in the navigation room. She knew how the engine worked and she certainly, most certainly knew what was going on. And for her to set it up as if she had no idea what was going on, you know, that she was just completely taken off guard by what. What happened here is just an absolute ridiculous leap that they're asking people to take. And I honestly doubt anyone's going to be willing to take that leap. So there you have it folks for the morning now trials getting ready or is back underway as we speak. It's 6am here in Las Vegas as this episode's about to be dropped. So we got a whole day ahead of us. We're gonna keep an eye on things. I'm pretty much locked into the studio watching the live streams happen with the updates. Live updates, not phone or, you know, digital or anything like that. But there's a lot of live threads on like Twitter from Inner City Press. Adam Klassfeld has a real good live feed that he's been doing. So I'll be following those all day and preparing to come back tonight and do a wrap up show and talk about what occurred throughout the day in the trial and what, if any, surprises or curveballs were thrown our way. If you'd like to contact me, you can do that@bobby capuchirotonmail.com that's B O B B Y C A P U C c I@protonmail.com youm can also find me on Twitter O B B Y underscore Capucci. The links that we discussed can be found in the description box. All right, everybody, I'll be back later on. Disease. What's up everyone? And welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles. Day three of the Ghislaine Maxwell trial just wrapped up a little bit ago and we saw three people take the stand. One was a continuance from yesterday and that was one of the four accusers. Jane number two was her ex boyfriend, someone being called Matt. And the third person was an executive from Interlocan School who talks about some of Jeffrey Epstein's donations and stuff like that. Now, for those of us who have been following this case, this doesn't come as a surprise to us. We all knew about this cabin and in fact, Epstein donated so much money to this school that the cabin was named after him. Now think about that for a minute. Should this man be anywhere near all of these young teenage tween girls? Probably not the right place for this guy. But what they'll say is, as an organization, the Interlokan School, oh, well, we had no idea. We had no idea that Jeffrey Epstein was a predator or Jeffrey Epstein was this sick, disgusting human being. But shouldn't they know better? If you're going to give somebody access to your campus and you have a bunch of children running around, isn't it a good idea to properly vet those people? And if not, at what point is there some accountability for this school? Now, I'm certainly not an investigator or a lawyer, and that's just a genuine question. At what point do we say, all right, well, this school is the one that welcomed Jeffrey Epstein with open arms onto its campus. And then this happened. So while they're not directly responsible for the abuse, right, they, the school didn't do it. Jeffrey Epstein did. But they opened the door. And I think that that's a point that needs to be discussed a little bit more. So these organizations that were with Epstein helping Epstein, helping Maxwell, they need to have their part of the responsibility for enabling all of this. And we've seen it throughout this case. There has been some responsibility from at least the social aspect of this. We know that Glenn Dubin has lost his status. We know that Les Wexner had to step down. Leon Black had to step down. Prince Andrew is absolutely disgraced. But it's not far enough, right? It's one thing to be disgraced and still go home and swim around in your billions and billions of dollars and a whole nother thing to be held responsible for your alleged role in Jeffrey Epstein's criminal enterprise. And we have to remember, though, that the scope of this trial specifically is only in regards to the behavior of Maxwell in the time period. So people who are expecting a bunch of other stuff to be brought up here, I think they're gonna be a bit disappointed. Now we're going to hear names of people who were in Epstein's circle again. We heard about Trump today, we heard about Clinton. And you know, these are reoccurring names that if you've followed the Jeffrey Epstein case, you've seen these names pop up over and over and over again. And if it was just one tabloid say who was talking about it, it's easy to shrug your shoulders and say, oh come on, what a bunch of ludicrous nonsense. But when you get story after story after story, it is a little harder to ignore it. And that's what we have seen. We have just seen time and time again, story after story about the culpability of all of these people around Jeffrey Epstein, whether it be enabling him and Maxwell or outright participating. It's the same story for all of these people and campuses like this school campus up in Michigan. They they need to have some kind of penalty when stuff like this happens.
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Because you're a school, right? Your job is to raise and nurture children, you would think probably to keep them safe is a big part of that as well. So I hope that there is some kind of repercussions, but I'm doubtful. You see, there's never repercussions for the enablers, and it certainly doesn't seem like there'll be serious repercussions for the enablers here in this case as well, at least not in this portion of the trial. So we're gonna jump into some of that testimony today, and we're gonna go through the testimony from Jane, from Matt, and then from the executive from Interlocken. So let's dive in, and let's start with the testimony from Jane. So obviously they got ready to go in the. The morning. There are some issues. They had some issues about a Rule 16 issue about it went into some things that could be disclosed or shouldn't be disclosed if it's an impeachment of the witness, blah, blah, blah. So they had this whole entire discussion before the jury even came into the room. So they got that all squared away. They had a sidebar, got it all locked in, and then the jury comes into the room, and we get ready to go. Now, the questioning from Menninger stayed in the same ballpark that it was in yesterday and what we expected, very combative and trying to set Jane up as somebody who has a problem remembering things. Also, of course, there's the money angle. Oh, this is about money. This is about this, this is about that. When in reality it's about the abuse that Jane suffered at the hands of Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein. They want to make it about everything but that, and hopefully the jury doesn't bite. So Mettinger starts off the questioning by asking, did you turn 17 in your final year at Interloken? Jane answers, no, I was 16. Menninger directs the jurors to pick up a small binder under their chairs and turn to J3. So obviously, I have no idea what J3 is. We none of us know. It's evidence that was introduced to the trial and discovery, I'm guessing. And now they want the jurors to take a look at that as far as the testimony that Jane is giving here. So you'll see that from time to time, they'll have things pre prepared as part of their questioning strategy. Menninger goes on to say, and your application said you came from a long and loving family, right? Jane says, that's what it says. Menninger says, do you recognize the document? Jane goes on to say, I Do not recognize it per se, but I see my signature. Menninger advises her that it's your application to interlocan. Meninger then goes on to say, when you spoke to your younger brother, you didn't mention there was a woman, correct? Jane says, I don't think so. Menninger goes on to say, and you told a news source that you were approached by Ghislaine. No mention of Ghislaine, correct. Jane says, I don't remember that. And again, remember this is their strategy. They want to try and make it seem like she has no idea what she's talking about, like she has no real memories of this or a recollection of this. And you also see why they're bringing the memory expert in, that they were able to call as a witness or they're going to be able to call as a witness. So it all lines up. Now their strategy really starts to make sense. It's a two pronged approach, right? A, you misremember basically calling her a liar, but in a nice way, and B, oh, you're motivated by money. That has always been their strategy, and that has always been the way that they were going to go about this. Really what it all comes down to is, is the jury going to buy it or are they going to see through it and understand what really happened here? Menninger goes on to say, when you got to Epstein's house with your mother, your house was in West Palm beach, right? Jane says, no, it was in Palm Beach. Menninger says, you didn't cross any state lines, did you? No, I didn't. There were only the three of us having tea. So she's trying to establish that this didn't happen over state lines, but which is ridiculous because maybe this one instance didn't. But what about the trips to New Mexico? And then shouldn't that enact the Mann act right away? You would think that there would be the Mann act being thrown around in this case, but we haven't seen it, and we certainly haven't seen rico. That's what really this should have fallen under. This is a criminal conspiracy put in place by numerous people. So it should be a RICO case and a huge umbrella, but unfortunately it's not. But what Menninger is trying to do here is to establish that this didn't happen over state lines, and she's trying to conflate it and cause some confusion. Menninger goes on to say, have you ever spoken with your sisters about your boyfriends? Jane goes on to say, I didn't have any boyfriends. Then the U.S. attorney called for a brief sidebar. So I'm sure that they had to confer about the line of questioning or about some of the other particulars going on. So they called for the sidebar. And you'll see this in trials, obviously, I'm sure you're all aware in the middle of a trial, one of the defense or the prosecution will call for a sidebar with the judge. So after the sidebar ended, Maxwell's lawyer comes back and she says, look at the last line in the top paragraph. You told the agents that Epstein would decide where everyone sat. And as Menninger was pursuing this line of questioning, there was an objection by the prosecutors. And the objection was, she should only ask, does it refresh your recollection? So Judge Nathan says, go ahead and ask. And Menninger, with those exact words, says, does it refresh your recollection? Jane goes on to answer, yes. Menninger says, and there was nothing sexual in the theater. Jane goes, right. So what she's trying to do is, again, build a timeline where she is showing that Jane doesn't remember or that this doesn't happen, or that it was all just, you know, very innocent what Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell were up to. And this obviously is going to be the line of defense as we move forward. Meninger goes on to say, yesterday it said it was shortly after the pool house that you had this incident with Epstein and Ghislaine. Right. Prosecutors, objection as to form. Judge Nathan says, specify what you're talking about. Prosecution. Objection. Meninger says, this is foundational. So what Meninger is saying is that this is a very important part of all of their defense here. Right. This is foundational to our defense. It has to be admitted. Menninger goes on to say, you told the government you do not have a specific memory of your first time with Ghislaine. Prosecutor's objection. You have come up with the memory in the last two years. Jane says, I don't believe I have come up with the memory. No. So again, you see the memory, right? We're gonna go after the memory. She doesn't know what she's talking about. She forgot the. This never happened. She misremembered. And that's how they roll. And, you know, once we saw the witnesses that Ghislaine Maxwell was going to call, once we saw the memory experts and all of that, we should have been aware that this was going to be a key component. Jane says, it is not typed up right on this form, Maxwell's lawyer Menninger, another typo by the government. You know, an unneeded dig, but again, it's gonna get testy in this courtroom. This is one of those explosive cases. Menninger is making a boatload of money and it's going to get explosive at points. What I think is interesting as well, you notice that Everdell isn't doing the cross today, that it's Menninger who took over because they wanted to get into the slime and the grime. So they figured if they had another woman performing the cross, it would go over better prosecution. Objection. Manager says you told the government, Ghislaine, never use sex toys or a vibrator on you. Jane says, correct. So again, what they're trying to do is establish Jane as a liar. Well, you said one thing 15 years ago or 20 years ago and you're saying another thing now. And that's definitely what, what they're going to do. And I know it's frustrating for people to watch and it's gross, the behavior is gross. But this is what these lawyers do. There is no rock left under her unturned by these lawyers. Especially when you're paying this kind of money and it's just going to get grimy or folks, unfortunately, I just want to prepare you all for a real disgusting few weeks, especially those of you who haven't followed this case and might only have a skin deep idea about what happened here. This is some of the most sadistic brutality ever and performed by people in the most highest of positions. Menninger goes on to say, you said Ghislaine never saw you perform oral sex on Epstein. Jane says, I do. I don't recall. Menninger replies, look at the document. Judge Nathan says, let's take a break. So that was the first session this morning when Jane first got on the stage, on the stand and the questioning started. Now they had a break and then after the break obviously they came back. So we'll dive into that part of the testimony now. So after they came back from the 11 o' clock break, Meninger's lawyer continued, I mean Maxwell's lawyer, Meninger continued with the same line of questioning, again attacking the memory of Jane. She goes on to say, you testified yesterday your first sex with Epstein and you first had sex with Epstein in his pool house in Florida, but you told the government it was in New York. Jane says, those are not my notes. I did not write that down and it was not recorded. So she's trying to once again act like Jane is basically lying here saying that she told she testified yesterday that the first time her and Epstein had sex, the first time she was assaulted by Epstein, was in the pool house in Florida. But she goes on to say that she told the government that it was in New York. And Jane disputes this. She says that that's not the case. Those weren't her notes, and she did not write that down. So it'll be interesting to see what the jury makes of that. Menninger goes on to say, you told them you only remembered one incident in New York when Ghislaine was present. Jane goes on to say, I don't recall. Menninger says, look at document 3509 003. Hasn't your story changed? Jane replies, I didn't understand the question. So the hammering continues. And you see her dogged approach here. She's not giving up an inch. Meninger and as I was following along with some of the comments today in some of these threads, people were not very happy with Menninger and it is a gross tactic. But that's what these lawyers do. Lawyers like Meninger. This is, this is her specialty, right? She enjoys it. Now, I'm not saying she enjoys, you know, going hard on victims. I'm talking about she definitely enjoys her job. You can tell. And she might even enjoy that part of it. Who knows? I don't know the lady. But I'll tell you this much. I don't think when all said and done, that this is going to be the right strategy.
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Menninger goes on to say you told the government you flew to New York with Epstein and Ghislaine to see the Lion King. Jane. Jane, I said that, but I was, I was incorrect in my timeline. I was 14. So the Lion King came out in 1994 and that's when she was 14. But they're talking about again, time frames. They're also brought up that the Broadway show the Lion King, which started in 1997, which would have had the timeline incorrect. But Jane here is saying she was 14. Menninger goes on to say you were a student of theater and the arts at the time, correct? Prosecution objection as to form. So you know what that means, right? She's trying to say she's an actor. So you're a student of the of theater and arts at the time, Right. So you know how to act. Yeah. You know, you got acting chops. You're the next insert great actress here. That's how Menninger is going to frame it. That's what she's going to try and infer. Meanwhile, we know she was a young kid at the time. How many of you out there took theater classes? How many of you out there were thespians? I know I was in technical theater growing up and I highly doubt anyone was as good of an actor to, to pull off a whole acting performance here. I mean, it's just ridiculous. And it just goes to show you that the whole entire plan is scorched earth for Maxwell. It also, in my opinion anyway, shows that they're desperate. If they weren't desperate, I highly doubt they'd be going this route. Now at this point, Judge Nathan called for another break because Jane needed some water. Then they get back on the stand and Menninger continues with her peppering of Jane. Let's go to your conversation in February 2020 about the lion King prosecution. No objection. Menninger says, I know Ms. Mo would like to come and do this for me. Another dig at the prosecutors and Menninger is, you know, skating on thin ice with that kind of stuff. I Mean, it's kind of expected for the snarkiness to happen, but this early in the trial, boy, like I said, she's bringing out all the artillery. Obviously, Allison Moe objected to that. And then Meninger goes, but the Lion King on Broadway didn't start until you were 17 years old. Did the government or Mr. Glassman suggest to you that you might have meant the Lion King movie? Prosecution goes on, objection. So again, bringing up the Lion King and trying to point out that there's a lot of misremembering going on here. And it was left at that. After the objection, Menninger then changes her tactic or line of questioning to talk about New Mexico. So you recall going to the New Mexico range, a giant, huge home? Correct. Jane replies, like all the homes, Mettinger says, and that Jeffrey Epstein's brother went with you? Correct. Jane says, I don't recall. Now that would be interesting, huh? We really haven't heard too much about Mark Epstein. He's been kind of a enigma throughout all of this. But we know that he's an owner of the building on 66th street where a lot of these trafficked girls were being housed. And again, it raises the question, how is there not a RICO case here? How are all of the people who are financially connected to Epstein and Maxwell not being forced to sing a song? And unfortunately, what it shows you is that the government just doesn't have the backbone to do what is really needed to be done here. Menninger went on to say, you weren't asked to have sex with any of Epstein's friends, were you? Jane says, no. Menninger says, did Epstein introduce you to people in the arts? Jane replies, not really. Menninger then goes on to say to the Dean of Interloken at a cocktail party, Jane, I don't recall. And this is a shrewd tactic by Menninger. What she's trying to do is to get her to say, I don't recall as many times as possible. So she'll ask, like, vague questions. Do you remember meeting people in the arts? Did you ever meet the Dean of Interloken at a cocktail party? Mind you, this is back in 1994. So it is the strategy that is very apparent at this point. And I wonder what the. The. The prosecution is going to have up their sleeve to answer it. Menninger then goes on to say, in document 3509 001, you said you met Donald Trump at Mar A Lago before the pool house incident. Jane, I don't recall. Menninger you said Epstein took you in a dark green car to Mar a Lago to a meeting with Donald Trump. And prosecution says, asked and answered, and also misleading. So very interesting that they bring that up again. Right. And what I think they're trying to do is establish the fact that there are a lot more, if you want to say bigger fish involved in all of this. So they keep pointing out things like Trump, et cetera, et cetera. And again, another. Another good tactic from Meninger, but I don't think it's going to be enough to. To throw people off of the ball here. And I think that the, the main point for the prosecution and for this trial, remember, is Maxwell and the crimes that she's being accused of. So they're going to try and conflate it with all kinds of other things, but. But it's gonna be up to the prosecution to keep the jurors eye on the ball. Meninger says you also had some recollections about flying on the private plane with Epstein, right? Jane says, yes. Menninger goes on to say, you said you were asked your weight when you got on the plane, correct? Jane says, yes. And there was a lot of weird stuff that happened within Epstein's circle. He had a lot of things like that go on. For instance, the core four all would go get their haircuts down at Frederick Fakai shop. He had a, you know, a tab there when they'd all go down, get the. The haircut that he liked. And it was, you know, a very weird situation in the whole Epstein circle. Very, very, very much not. What is being presented by the media. Menninger says, In 2019, before Epstein was arrested, you were contacted by the government, right? Jane says, yes. Defense goes on to say, but you said you were not interested in getting involved. Jane says, right. So you're going to hold that against her? Why would anyone want to get involved of testifying against Epstein before he was dead, considering the fact that he was caught literally with his pants down and nothing happened to him? You're somebody from a broken home. You're somebody from a disadvantaged background, somebody who. And you have this man with all of this power and all of this influence. What are you supposed to do, go and tell on him? Well, how'd that work out for Maria Farmer? How did it work out for all the girls in Palm Beach? So, again, this part of the defense fallen flat, in my opinion, the pro. The defense goes to say, then you hired Mr. Glassman, a personal injury lawyer with ADS. Oh, well, yeah, of course. He Adds ads, He's a lawyer. What does that even mean? Who is she supposed to go and hire? Some high profile lawyer like you? Mrs. Meninger? She didn't have that kind of money. She was living in a pool house, remember? But all of a sudden, everybody should go and hire Ms. Meninger and Christian Everdell. God forbid, a lawyer has some ads on a billboard. Menninger redirects her question and changes reform and, and then goes on to say, did you see his ads touting his big verdicts? Jane responds, he's a friend of a friend. Manager goes. Manager's response to that is, is this your contingent fee agreement? Showing her a document, Obviously, Jane replies, yes, it is. So they're setting it up like Glassman here was the one who talked Jane into going to the government about Epstein. Again, all about money, all about motivated by money. And I don't really buy that, to be honest with you. It's ridiculous. Again, who is she supposed to reach out to? Not all of us have millions and millions of dollars. Not all of us have a big bank account where we can hire an all star team of lawyers. After that exchange, Menninger changes tax again and starts asking about the ex boyfriend Matt, who we heard about yesterday and I told you would be a witness today. You've talked to your ex boyfriend Matt, right? Jane says, right. Meninger goes on, And you were in a beauty pageant sponsored by Donald Trump. Jane says, yes. Men says, do you recall crying that Jeffrey Epstein only gave you $2,000 for a dress? Chain says, no. Then Meninger goes on to say, you were on a reality TV show with Matt, right? And Jane responds, yes. So there's a lot there. First of all, you were in a beauty pageant sponsored by Donald Trump. Okay? Trump sponsored a ton of beauty pageants, so that doesn't shock me one bit. We talked about that a little bit yesterday. Trump has had his hands in all kinds of, you know, beauty pageants and that sort of scummy part of the world. That's why it cracks me up when anyone expects this, you know, this guy to be like some great guy or something. Newsflash, he's not. None of them are. None of these people, these politicians, and they're all gross. All of these people who were hanging out with Jeffrey Epstein and I don't care. I don't, I don't care if it's, oh, it's my favorite politician. Well, I don't know what to tell you. The hero worshipping is really weird to me, and especially when it comes to these Guys who have been outed as absolute scumbags
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Visit your nearby Lowe's. Meninger says, and there was tension and you cried. Jane responds, reality shows are not really reality. Then Meninger says, you claimed you were putting a roof over your family's head. Jane responds, I don't know if I'd use those words. You told that to Matt. Jane responds, well, they were living at my house. So you see what she did here with the reality TV show. She throws that in there to once again to try and point out to the the jury that she's a looking for money. She's an actress. She wants to increase her profile. And this is all they really have. This is what they're going to continue to do. Meninger continued, and you demanded money from Ghislaine Maxwell. Jane says, I have a lawyer. Meninger says, and you sought money from the Epstein compensation fund. Look at exhibit J18 at 6. You were offered how much? Jane says, 5 million. So that's significant right there, folks. And you know, people don't talk about this enough, but they should. Once Epstein's estate paid that money out to these girls, they're accepting liability that this happened. So right here in court with Epstein paying out that money, Menninger pointing it out, well, Epstein is taking responsibility and culpability here because they're paying for it, aren't they? If this never happened, do you really think that Epstein's estate would be paying out this money? So they're taking responsibility for it. And what Ghislaine Maxwell and her team are trying to do is push it all on to Epstein and act like Ghislaine Maxwell had no part in any of this. So after those questions, Judge Nathan said that it's time for lunch. Everybody heads out to lunch, you know, goes and does their thing, and then they get back in, you know, roughly an hour, and the questioning continues. So after lunch, when they came back, Menninger again kept going. So you went to a specialized entertainment school, right, Menninger? And since then, you've played roles like a cancer patient. Jane. Yes. Menninger. Prostitute. Jane. No. You can cry on command. That line is just a prostitute. You have to throw that in there, right? Let's just go ahead and throw that in there, shouldn't we? And ridiculous. Again, she says no, and then you can cry on command. Ridiculous. So basically, again, trying to establish that she's lying, that this is all premeditated, it's all made up and it's all an act. Manager says your accusations in this case include that you were 14 when you were abused. Right, Jane? Yes. Meninger, you first told the government you were 13, right, Jane? I might have said 13 going on 14. It's a small technicality. And she's right. That's a long time ago. There's a lot of trauma and a lot of research that goes into all of this, that talks about how there's repressed memories and all of that. Again, I am not a psychologist. I won't even begin to act like I understand all of that science. Also, Jane said on the prostitute role, not my favorite role. Meninger goes on to say, you talk about the Lion King and you say you were 14, but it only came out when you were 17. Right. And you said you were 15 when you met Mike Wallace at his 80th birthday party. Right. Again, bringing up other people. Very shrewd move by Meninger. She wants to take the. The spotlight off of her client and put it on some of the other names that have been in Jeffrey Epstein's atmosphere. She goes on to say, Jane says, I don't know how old I was. This. This one cracked me up. Meninger goes, you don't know when his birthday is. Look at J33. Does it refresh your recollection? Breaking news. Menninger. Who the hell knows when Mike Wallace was born? Who the hell knows when Mike Meatloaf Wallace was born? I mean, really, you expect this young lady to. To know when Mike Wallace was born? Holy. Really? Obviously the prosecutors object to this. And it was sustained, Nathan saying There was no basis for refreshing. Menninger goes on and says, in your civil case, you got integra interrogatories. Do you know what those are? Jane says, no. Menninger says, so your lawyer answered for you under your oath and you didn't know? Jane says, I don't know. Very honest about what occurred here. Right. And I think at this point it's rather obvious to the jury what's going on here. Now, again, I don't have a line to the Jerry, I certainly am not a mind reader, but you would think that it's obvious where they're going with this. Now it's moved on. And the, the redirect starts with assistant prosecutor asking the questions. Did any of us prosecutors ever tell you what to say at this trial? Jane responds, no. Prosecutor, you were asked about notes of meetings with the U.S. did you speak about everything all at once? And Jane goes on to say, no. Then she goes on to say, why did you speak to the tabloid reporter? And that's a, that's, that was a big mistake by Jane, right? Speaking to a tabloid reporter is never a good idea. These people don't have any couth. They're just trying to get a story out and a headline out. Jane says, he basically blackmailed me. He said he would publish unredacted documents. Judge Nathan says, this is not for the truth of the matter asserted, but impact on the listener. Prosecutors go on to say, did you make an agreement with the reporter? Jane says, yes. I talk about meeting Jeffrey Epstein. The reporter would keep my name out of it. I was working on a TV show and this is the scummy moves that a lot of these reporters are up to. A lot of these so called legacy media journalists are up to. And that's why people don't have any faith in them or any trust in them. When somebody tells you something in confidence like this, I don't care if you're a reporter or not. If something is off the record, it should stay off the record. But there's no dignity, right? There's no more moral compass. It's all about who can get the headline out first and who can move the most units. And it's rather gross, honestly. The prosecution says, do you know the difference between acting on television and testifying in court? Jane now sobbing, crying answers, yes, this is real. I am seeking closure. I have been running from this my entire life. I want to help in whatever way I can and maybe find some healing. So again, she's sobbing now. Rough for her, obviously. Live, reliving all of this, talking about all of this, putting it all out there for everybody to see. The prosecutor goes on to say, do you have any financial interest in this trial? Jane's response, no. Prosecutor is done with her, her line of questioning and says nothing further. Judge Nathan says that, Jane, you could step down. And then they take another break. And after the break, they go on to the next two witnesses and they weren't on the stand very long today, so I'm guessing we'll pick up with that line of questioning tomorrow as far as the, the, the gentleman that they ended with here, the man from Interloken. So after their break, they come back and now the ex boyfriend, Matt is on the stand. Now, Matt, we talked about a little bit yesterday when he was brought up. I was wondering who he was going to be. And then it came to light, obviously that it was the ex boyfriend of Jane. So let's jump into this line of questioning from the prosecutors. How do you know Jane? Matt responds, she's my ex girlfriend from 2006 to 2014. Prosecution did you live together? Matt yes, from 2007 to 2014. Prosecution Are you still friends? MATT yes, and we work on the same TV show. So that's a pretty cool thing to see, huh, that her ex from all these years ago is willing to step up to the plate and take the the stand in a trial as hypersensitive as this. PROSECUTION what did Jane tell you about her home life? To this question, Maxwell's lawyers objected. Nathan responds, any foundation and Maxwell's lawyers say it's hearsay. So another sidebar commences. After they return, Nathan says, Ms. Mo, I'll ask you to narrow the question. Mo did Jane speak about her family finance when she grew up? MATT yes, that when her father got sick, they went broke. The mother was working a small job. They were in the same bed. So what he's doing here is corroborating what Jane had said, telling the court what he is. No, he knows about this, what Jane had told him and revealed to him in their time together. And it corroborates the story that Jane has been telling. Matt goes on to say they she told me she had a godfather. Later she told me it was Jeffrey Epstein. I said he helped pay your bills. She said yes. PROSECUTION when did she tell you she met Epstein? Maxwell's lawyers object to this. And Nathan goes on to tell the prosecution that they have to ask more specific questions. ALLISON Moe, Did Jane tell you what happened between her and Jeffrey Epstein? MATT not specifically. PROSECUTION did she say why he gave her money. Matt said, she just said it was not free. That's pretty chilling. Imagine this young girl has to do whatever Epstein wants if she wants a new instrument for school or if she doesn't want her mom thrown out on the street or she doesn't want her family not to be able to eat. Prosecution, did they tell you about a woman who was involved? Matt said, yes. Prosecution then says, did she give the woman's name? Response from the witness? Matt? No. Back to the prosecution, what was her demeanor like when Jane told you about Jeffrey Epstein? Shame. Matt responds, and that's a typical emotion when it comes to this sort of thing, unfortunately, a lot of shame. And that's because there's a big stigma on all of this, right? You know, these girls that come forward, a lot of times, they're dragged through the mud. They have their reputations just completely destroyed and it's almost not worth it. Unfortunately for these girls, especially with high profile people like this. The prosecution says, what did Jane tell her? Money. Matt goes on to say that money was not free. That. And before he could finish the prosecution, they, they cut him off. And prosecution goes, don't say what the mother said, just what Jane said. Matt continues his statement. Jane told her mother that the money was not free and that it should not have been allowed. The profile that we have painted of Jane's mom is not good. You know, Jane's mom, it seems like she was looking in the other direction here, and it's kind of disturbing the way Jane was explaining it and how her mom was kind of, you know, trying to shame her about this kind of thing and really pretty sad to read that. So after the questioning was done, Maxwell's lawyers didn't even bother with a cross of Matt, so he was sent on his way. And then the next witness who was brought up was Daniel Veselson of Interlochen. Now, he's one of the executives over there, one of the money men, and he was brought in to discuss Jeffrey Epstein and the fundraising aspect of this. So he gets into the witness chair and prosecution starts out. Where is Interlochen? Michigan. Veselson responds, Near Traverse City. How did you keep fundraising records? Veselson, Salesforce we offered GX744 a document under seal. Now GX741. Veselson responds a letter to Mr. Epstein about the scholarship's lodge has, how much he'd give. So obviously we don't know what the sealed documents have to say, but I'm guessing it has to do with the amount of money Epstein gave to this lodge, which was a lot of money. Prosecution, what's this? Looking at the document and Veselson says the lodge formerly known as the Jeffrey Epstein Scholarship Lodge. Can you imagine? The lodge on property was named after Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein. And we've, we've been talking about this for years. You would think this is something the legacy media would have been all over. You would think that this would have caused, at the very least, some questions to be asked. But silence.
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