Sarah Kellen And The 302 Interview With The FBI - The Epstein Chronicles

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welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to start taking a look at the Sarah Kellen 302 proffer that she gave to the FBI and this proffer was given on April 23rd of 2020. Redacted date of birth Redacted was interviewed pursuant to a proffer agreement at Redacted Present for for the interview was Redacted's attorney, legal team, including Redacted along with AUSA Redacted, AUSA Redacted and Redacted and Special Agent. After being advised of the identities of the above listed individuals and the nature of the interview, Redacted provided the following Redacted wanted to provide clarification from her last interview in regards to when she first learned about the investigation into Jeffrey Epstein, saying that her feelings were a progression. Redacted received a payment from Epstein in late 2018. In September 2014, redacted and redacted renovated their apartment. Redacted and Redacted were left with a gutted apartment and they could not get a bank loan. When Redacted stopped working for Epstein, they still talked regularly and visited together when he was in town. Redacted spoke to Epstein monthly. Redacted spoke to Epstein about their situation. Redacted asked Redacted to borrow money from Epstein. They were waiting for stocks to go public, but it kept getting delayed. At the end of November 2018, redacted met Epstein at his New York house and told him about their financials, saying that she only had 100,000 in her bank account. While Redacted was meeting with Epstein, he picked up the phone and called his accountant, Richard Kahn, to wire her 250,000. This meeting with Epstein happened because Leslie Groff told her to come and meet him if she was in New York. Epstein told Redacted not to tell anyone about giving her the money, but did not tell her why she should not tell anyone. Redacted assumed it was because Epstein did not want Redacted to feel bad about it. Redacted and Redacted kept separate finances Epstein also gave redacted 100,000 when redacted redacted did not think she received other money from Epstein. Told Redacted and Redacted about having received the money from Epstein. Redacted called and told her that he gave her a hundred thousand. Redacted then told Redacted that Epstein gave her money as well. Redacted told Redacted that Epstein called her and asked her if she could use or needed money. Redacted thought that Epstein was just feeling generous with them. Next section Redacted would see Epstein once every couple months depending on where they both were at the time. Redacted told Epstein that it was rough. Epstein came to Miami to meet with an architect and help. Redacted thought this was in early 2018, most months before their conversation in November, Redacted had asked Epstein to come to her apartment in Miami. Redacted gave Epstein a rundown of the renovation, burn rate and cash. Epstein told them he did not see how they could keep the apartment, saying it did not all add up. Epstein told her that she cannot put her head in the sand. Redacted Epstein told Redacted that she would always be safe and he would always take care of her. Epstein sent redacted an email1 saying 100 safe. Redacted brought up the financial discussion with Epstein. Redacted did not know what Epstein wanted to talk to her about when Grof called. Redacted did not ask Epstein for money. Epstein had another meeting after he met with Redacted. Redacted thanked Epstein and sent an email after thanking him. Redacted lent the money to Redacted. Redacted did not report the money on taxes. Redacted was not sure how reporting the taxes worked. Redacted understanding was that Epstein would have to pay the taxes on the money he gave her in April 2018. Redacted was aware of a reporter looking into Epstein the day the article in the Miami Herald came out. She had been aware that someone was looking into Epstein. The article came out before Redacted met with Epstein in November. Redacted thought that she and Epstein may have acknowledged it but did not talk about it in depth. Redacted remembered skimming through the article and did not remember what she and Epstein talked about the article. It was not a topic of conversation. Redacted did not think they talked about it afterwards either. Redacted and Redacted talked about it but did not talk specifically about the article. Redacted and Redacted one wanted to figure out the best way to tell their own stories Redacted had thought about writing a book and told Epstein in which he told her it was a good idea. Redacted did not associate the 250000 she received from Epstein to the article from the Miami Herald because Epstein was always generous to people. Redacted was stressed about her finances and felt Epstein was trying to be helpful. Redacted did not know that she viewed it any different. Currently, Redacted had told Epstein that a journalist reached out. Did not recall Epstein saying anything about it. Epstein did not tell Redacted not to talk to anyone. The first time Redacted remembered being on the island. After Redacted, Epstein asked her to make him a bath and told her to get in with him. Redacted was sitting across from Epstein when he told her that Epstein took Redacted to the bed and she sat facing him. Epstein directed Redacted on what to do and how to touch him. Epstein masturbated. Redacted took this to mean that she had to perform sexual favors. After this incident, Redacted had a lot of sexual contact with Epstein. It was pretty often. It varied and happened in all locations. Epstein would wake Redacted up by beginning to fondle her. There were some situations that involved other people. The first time another person was present it was Glenn Maxwell. Epstein was laying down. Maxwell was touching Redacted and instructing her on what to do. Maxwell told Redacted where to touch Epstein and how to touch him before Epstein went to jail. The first time was the last time Redacted had any type of sexual contact with him. Epstein would ask Redacted to come over and sleep in his bed. Epstein called Redacted his human water bottle. The sexual contact with Epstein phased out after Epstein went to jail. Did not sleep in his bed anymore. The majority of time, the sexual contact would begin with Epstein waking Redacted up by fondling her. Epstein would direct Redacted by grabbing her hand to follow him to his room. Epstein would lay down and masturbate. Sometimes Epstein would touch redacted, tell her how to sit and how to move her head. Epstein would ask Redacted to give him a blowjob. In Palm Beach. Epstein and Redacted were working out in the cabana. Epstein was on the bike while Redacted was doing sit ups. Epstein turned the music up loud and put the hurricane shutters up. Epstein basically aggressively raped Redacted. Epstein pulled Redacted's pants down and had intercourse with her. This was the only time Redacted remembered him having intercourse with her. There were Two other times besides the time with Maxwell where other people were present during the sexual encounters. There was a time on the island where Redacted was present. Redacted remembered being on the bed with her while Epstein directed them. There was a time in New York where Redacted was present. Epstein asked both of them to come over and it led to a similar situation. And as it happened on the island with Redacted in Palm beach. The sexual contact with Epstein happened in Redacted the gym. And though she could not picture it, Redacted was sure that it also happened in his room In New York. Epstein would call Redacted over to sleep with him, usually at night. Epstein's code word was cold cheats. In the beginning, Epstein would have redacted sleep over and it turned sexual when Epstein was with Maxwell. Recalled being afraid that Maxwell would find out because worked in her building. Thought that when Epstein started dating, he just had sleep with him. With no sexual contact on the island. The sexual contact occurred in Maxwell's bedroom. There were also times Redacted with Ra Epstein baths and she would be in the bath and that would lead her to the bedroom. Maxwell had approximately four girls and including Redacted Redacted and redacted on the island For Epstein's birthday. Maxwell asked them to get naked and wrap themselves in Saran wrap. Maxwell took photos. Maxwell had massage tables brought down to the beach. Maxwell and Epstein got on the table with the women surrounding them while she took a photo. All the women were topless. Maxwell also had them paint on their breasts to put on a canvas to give to Epstein. Redacted thought this happened around January of 2002 in Paris. Epstein would have redacted sleep in his bed. Epstein would direct redacted on what to do, how to sit, where to put her shoulders and how to put her head so that he could not see her face. Epstein told her that he did not want to see her face. Epstein wanted his nipples rubbed. Redacted stayed with him in Paris. Redacted recalled Epstein leading her to his bed in New Mexico. Most encounters in Epstein's bed were with Epstein masturbating. Redacted did not recall revolving around the massage room or during a massage. Epstein asked Redacted to give him two full proper body massages. Once on the island with a masseuse and once on the ranch when no masseuse was available. Redacted massaged Epstein's feet all the time along with rubbing his shoulders and cracking his back. Redacted described Epstein directing her meant that he would Tell her how to touch him, where to touch him and how to sit. Sometimes Epstein would touch Redacted recalled being around during approximately 20022003 redacted was present for a sexual encounter on the island. Viewed redacted as Epstein's girlfriend. Redacted Thought redacted was a redacted and thought redacted to be in her 20s during this time. Redacted Recalled redacted being around during approximately 2002 and 2003. Dacted did not know how redacted met Epstein traveled a lot when redacted had started. Thought redacted was in college viewed as Epstein's girlfriend. The sexual encounter involving Maxwell happened very early on but did not happen the first time Redacted met them. This happened when redacted came back. Redacted did not remember how it started but recalled being on the bed. Maxwell was naked and told redacted that Epstein liked his nipples rubbed. Maxwell told Redacted that Epstein liked to like how to touch him. Maxwell was rubbing his nipples. Maxwell touched Redacted Maxwell did not talk about it afterwards. Maxwell always made comments and jokes about sexual she was outwardly very open about it. Maxwell said she had gone to a blowjob class. Maxwell offered to demonstrate what she learned. Maxwell discussed this very generally out at the common table. Redacted did not remember who was all present for the conversation. Redacted did not know if Maxwell engaged in other sexual contact with other women. When redacted first started, Maxwell made a comment to her saying listen to what Jeffrey says. He knows what he's doing. He's very successful. You do well to listen to what he has to say. During the sexual encounters with Epstein, Redacted felt ashamed. Redacted was nervous and scared, not sure what was going to happen. Redacted did not feel that she had a choice. Redacted did not know where else to go. Maxwell made comments about other girlfriends being trash. Redacted the did not want Maxwell to put her in that category because she did not want redacted Maxwell was Epstein's girlfriend. Maxwell approved of the bills, ran all of Epstein's houses and was in control of everything. Redacted never told anyone what happened. Redacted felt ashamed and buried it deep down. Redacted did not know who to tell. All of Redacted's friends were through Epstein. Redacted could not tell any of her boyfriends but because they would get rid of her. One of her redacted previous boyfriends was Epstein's paralegal who she met through Epstein Redacted thought that maybe there were times that there was not sexual contact when she traveled with Epstein between 2002 to 2005. But it happened more than not. Redacted described that the time where she and Epstein were in the gym was the first time she saw him being aggressive. Epstein seemed to have a rage about him. It was unexpected and out of the blue to Redacted. Redacted had no conversations about sexual boundaries with Epstein, did not want to have contact with him. Redacted described Epstein as overpowering, ominous figure. Redacted could feel Epstein's wrath if she did not do what he wanted. Epstein was mad at Redacted when she booked a car rental and she did not do exactly as he said, saw him yell at Maxwell and Redacted. Epstein dictated Redacted's hairstyle, color and style of clothes that she wore. Epstein had Redacted dye her hair blonde, cut it to a boy, cut and have bangs. Sometimes Epstein would go to the salon and tell them what to do to her hair. Epstein would buy Redacted clothes. If Redacted wore clothes that Epstein did not like, he would talk to her when she got them. When Redacted bought clothes, she would show Epstein to get his approval. Epstein also directed to Epstein commented on weight. Epstein would tell Redacted to lay off the brownies and tell her she should go to the gym. Epstein generally made comments to others as well, including would go to Epstein to get approval for every decision she made, renovated the guest apartment and went to him to get approval for it. Epstein knew that had boyfriends because she talked about them. Epstein gave his opinion to her about them. Epstein told her that one of them was a loser and she needed to break up with them. Epstein mostly put her boyfriends down. Epstein still had sexual contact with Redacted while she had boyfriends. Redacted time with Epstein was a whirlwind and they were constantly traveling. Epstein controlled where Redacted lived and where she went. They traveled every three days. In 2010, Epstein was released from jail and Redacted's responsibilities increased. Epstein did not have a chef at this time, so Redacted was responsible for food when they traveled. Redacted was renovating and decorating the rooms on the island and all the apartments at 301 E. 66th St, New York. After Epstein was released, Redacted did not recall setting up or scheduling massages for Epstein. Epstein was still getting massages. Epstein traveled with a masseuse who was redacted. Redacted did not recall if there was Any other masseuse in 2012. Redacted metacted Epstein was not involved in their meeting each other. When Redacted Metacted she began traveling with him. Redacted set up a design business. Epstein told Redacted she could still help with the renovations. The first people told about sexual encounters with Epstein were her lawyers and then her therapist. Redacted have two conversations with Epstein about writing a book. There was no conversation about putting the sexual experience in that book. From 2013 to 2018, redacted received two large payments, 100,000 and 250,000 from Epstein. Redacted had to sign a healthcare proxy so that if anything happened to her, Maxwell and Epstein would be responsible for her well being. They did not want her family to be responsible. Redacted thought that this was Maxwell's idea, but she was not sure. Redacted also had to sign a confidentiality agreement. Redacted visited Epstein when he was under house arrest in Palm Beach. Epstein would get massages from Redacted or whoever was traveling. Epstein paid for lawyers for Redacted One of the lawyers was redacted. This was after Epstein went to jail and there was civil suits. Redacted thought that she may have been deposed while he was in jail. When Redacted had a lawsuit against Maxwell, Redacted was told by Epstein's in house counsel, Darren Indyke to find a lawyer and Epstein would pay for it. Redacted paid for some of the expenses of the lawyer. The lawyer was redacted, but he eventually stopped representing Redacted because he wasn't getting paid. Redacted not all subject matter was discussed during the course of this interview. Dates and times are approximate. All right, folks, there it is. One of the 302 reports from Sarah Kellen Vickers and her interview with the FBI. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.

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Podcast: The Epstein Chronicles

Host: Bobby Capucci
Episode: Sarah Kellen And The 302 Interview With The FBI
Date: August 2, 2026

Overview

In this episode of The Epstein Chronicles, host Bobby Capucci delves into the FBI’s 302 interview (proffer) with Sarah Kellen, a close associate of Jeffrey Epstein. The discussion focuses on Kellen’s accounts as documented during her April 23, 2020 session with the FBI. Capucci walks listeners through often redacted testimonial details, offering insights into Kellen’s relationship with Epstein, the handling of large financial transactions, the mechanics of Epstein’s abuse, her experiences with Ghislaine Maxwell, and the aftermath and attempts at self-preservation. The episode is framed with Capucci’s familiar in-depth analysis and unfiltered delivery, aiming for clarity and completeness while refusing to shy away from the story’s most disturbing aspects.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction to Sarah Kellen’s 302 Interview

Capucci introduces the 302 proffer, noting it is a formalized summary of an FBI interview, and contextualizes it within the broader Epstein investigation.
- Timestamp: 00:31

2. Financial Dealings with Epstein

Kellen describes her post-employment communications with Epstein, including requests for financial assistance when she faced hardships after renovating her apartment in 2014 and being unable to secure a bank loan.
- Epstein provided her with payments of $100,000 and later $250,000.
- Epstein told her not to discuss the money with others but didn’t give a specific reason.
- Kellen claims these payments were not linked in her mind to media coverage or investigations but saw them as Epstein being "always generous."
- Notable Quote (Paraphrased):
  "Epstein told [her] not to tell anyone about giving her the money, but did not tell her why." – Bobby Capucci recounting Kellen’s statement (02:30)
Kellen did not initially report these payments on her taxes, citing confusion about tax obligations.
She recounted that Epstein would often make her feel "safe" and told her he would always take care of her.

3. Awareness of Investigations and Media Scrutiny

Kellen became aware of renewed scrutiny against Epstein around the time the Miami Herald’s reporting began but claims no explicit conversations with Epstein about the article.
- She did not link the $250,000 she received from Epstein to this coverage.

4. Sexual Abuse and Grooming by Epstein & Maxwell

First Encounter: Kellen details her first sexual encounter with Epstein at his island residence, which quickly became frequent and occurred in various locations.
- Epstein would often wake her by fondling, then progress to further abuse.
Maxwell’s Role: The first time another person was present, it was Ghislaine Maxwell, who actively participated and instructed Kellen on how to touch Epstein.
- "Maxwell was touching [her] and instructing her on what to do." (Approx. 26:30)
Nature of Abuse: Kellen describes repeated sexual abuse, including group encounters, orchestrated baths, coerced acts—sometimes involving other young women orchestrated by Maxwell for Epstein’s birthday, such as posing wrapped in Saran wrap for photographs and topless painting sessions.
- Details the use of code phrases (“cold cheats”) and describes Epstein’s controlling behavior over everything—including hair, clothing, and movements.
Physical Aggression: Recounts one instance in Palm Beach where Epstein raped her aggressively in the gym, describing it as a rare event for intercourse but typical of his mood swings and violence.
- "Epstein basically aggressively raped [her]." (Approx. 35:00)
Psychological Manipulation: Epstein dictated her social and professional life, enforced isolation, and demanded approval on life choices, physically accompanying her to hair salons and critiquing her relationships.

5. Maxwell’s Personality and Influence

Kellen portrays Maxwell as both overtly sexual in conversation and highly controlling, mocking other "girlfriends" and establishing herself as manager of all Epstein’s properties and social activities.
- "Maxwell always made comments and jokes about sexual—she was outwardly very open about it." (Approx. 45:00)
- Maxwell supposedly stated to Kellen:
  “Listen to what Jeffrey says. He knows what he’s doing. You’d do well to listen to what he has to say.” (Paraphrased, 46:20)
Maxwell pushed Kellen to confide, signed her to confidentiality agreements, and managed her legal and health affairs.

6. Personal Impact and Aftermath

Kellen disclosed first to her lawyers and therapist about her abuse.
Never confided in friends (most were also connected to Epstein) or boyfriends (who included Epstein staff).
Felt trapped, ashamed, and ultimately isolated—with no sense of options besides compliance.
- "Redacted felt ashamed and buried it deep down. Redacted did not know who to tell." (Approx. 52:00)

7. Epstein’s Controlled Environment Post-Conviction

After Epstein’s 2010 release, Kellen’s duties increased, including running his homes and managing renovations.
Did not recall setting up or scheduling the notorious massages after Epstein’s release; by then, massages were performed by a professional travel masseuse.

8. Legal Pressures, Confidentiality, and Payments

Kellen was required to sign a health-care proxy and confidentiality agreement, further tying her to Epstein and Maxwell, preventing family involvement.
Epstein paid for her legal services when civil actions arose and directed her to find representation.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Epstein’s control:
- "Epstein dictated [her] hairstyle, color and style of the clothes that she wore. Epstein had [her] dye her hair blonde, cut it to a boy cut and have bangs." (58:00)
On powerlessness:
- "Redacted felt ashamed and buried it deep down. Redacted did not know who to tell. All of Redacted’s friends were through Epstein." (52:00)
On Maxwell’s instructions:
- "Maxwell told Redacted where to touch Epstein and how to touch him before Epstein went to jail." (26:30)

Important Timestamps

01:00 — Capucci introduces the 302 proffer and FBI context
02:30 — Details on Kellen’s financial requests and Epstein’s wire transfers
12:00 — Kellen’s perspective on media scrutiny and Miami Herald article
20:00 — First sexual encounter with Epstein described
26:30 — Maxwell’s participation and instructions during abuse
35:00 — Aggressive rape in Palm Beach recounted
45:00 — Maxwell’s manipulative comments and sexual openness
52:00 — Kellen’s shame and enforced secrecy
58:00 — Epstein’s micro-control over Kellen’s appearance and life

Summary Flow & Tone

Bobby Capucci methodically works through the 302 interview, often referencing the emotional tenor of Kellen’s statements. His delivery is direct but sympathetic, focusing on the gravity and banality of the manipulations documented. He points out how Kellen’s experiences mirror a “transcontinental criminal conspiracy,” revealing both the trauma at the personal level and the complicity of powerful figures in shielding Epstein.

For listeners who have not caught the episode: This summary encapsulates the major revelations of Sarah Kellen’s FBI interview, underscoring both the mechanics of Epstein’s abuse network and the profound damage inflicted on the cohort of young women pressed into his service. The episode emphasizes ongoing questions and the need for accountability at every level.

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welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to start taking a look at the Sarah Kellen 302 proffer that she gave to the FBI and this proffer was given on April 23rd of 2020. Redacted date of birth Redacted was interviewed pursuant to a proffer agreement at Redacted Present for for the interview was Redacted's attorney, legal team, including Redacted along with AUSA Redacted, AUSA Redacted and Redacted and Special Agent. After being advised of the identities of the above listed individuals and the nature of the interview, Redacted provided the following Redacted wanted to provide clarification from her last interview in regards to when she first learned about the investigation into Jeffrey Epstein, saying that her feelings were a progression. Redacted received a payment from Epstein in late 2018. In September 2014, redacted and redacted renovated their apartment. Redacted and Redacted were left with a gutted apartment and they could not get a bank loan. When Redacted stopped working for Epstein, they still talked regularly and visited together when he was in town. Redacted spoke to Epstein monthly. Redacted spoke to Epstein about their situation. Redacted asked Redacted to borrow money from Epstein. They were waiting for stocks to go public, but it kept getting delayed. At the end of November 2018, redacted met Epstein at his New York house and told him about their financials, saying that she only had 100,000 in her bank account. While Redacted was meeting with Epstein, he picked up the phone and called his accountant, Richard Kahn, to wire her 250,000. This meeting with Epstein happened because Leslie Groff told her to come and meet him if she was in New York. Epstein told Redacted not to tell anyone about giving her the money, but did not tell her why she should not tell anyone. Redacted assumed it was because Epstein did not want Redacted to feel bad about it. Redacted and Redacted kept separate finances Epstein also gave redacted 100,000 when redacted redacted did not think she received other money from Epstein. Told Redacted and Redacted about having received the money from Epstein. Redacted called and told her that he gave her a hundred thousand. Redacted then told Redacted that Epstein gave her money as well. Redacted told Redacted that Epstein called her and asked her if she could use or needed money. Redacted thought that Epstein was just feeling generous with them. Next section Redacted would see Epstein once every couple months depending on where they both were at the time. Redacted told Epstein that it was rough. Epstein came to Miami to meet with an architect and help. Redacted thought this was in early 2018, most months before their conversation in November, Redacted had asked Epstein to come to her apartment in Miami. Redacted gave Epstein a rundown of the renovation, burn rate and cash. Epstein told them he did not see how they could keep the apartment, saying it did not all add up. Epstein told her that she cannot put her head in the sand. Redacted Epstein told Redacted that she would always be safe and he would always take care of her. Epstein sent redacted an email1 saying 100 safe. Redacted brought up the financial discussion with Epstein. Redacted did not know what Epstein wanted to talk to her about when Grof called. Redacted did not ask Epstein for money. Epstein had another meeting after he met with Redacted. Redacted thanked Epstein and sent an email after thanking him. Redacted lent the money to Redacted. Redacted did not report the money on taxes. Redacted was not sure how reporting the taxes worked. Redacted understanding was that Epstein would have to pay the taxes on the money he gave her in April 2018. Redacted was aware of a reporter looking into Epstein the day the article in the Miami Herald came out. She had been aware that someone was looking into Epstein. The article came out before Redacted met with Epstein in November. Redacted thought that she and Epstein may have acknowledged it but did not talk about it in depth. Redacted remembered skimming through the article and did not remember what she and Epstein talked about the article. It was not a topic of conversation. Redacted did not think they talked about it afterwards either. Redacted and Redacted talked about it but did not talk specifically about the article. Redacted and Redacted one wanted to figure out the best way to tell their own stories Redacted had thought about writing a book and told Epstein in which he told her it was a good idea. Redacted did not associate the 250000 she received from Epstein to the article from the Miami Herald because Epstein was always generous to people. Redacted was stressed about her finances and felt Epstein was trying to be helpful. Redacted did not know that she viewed it any different. Currently, Redacted had told Epstein that a journalist reached out. Did not recall Epstein saying anything about it. Epstein did not tell Redacted not to talk to anyone. The first time Redacted remembered being on the island. After Redacted, Epstein asked her to make him a bath and told her to get in with him. Redacted was sitting across from Epstein when he told her that Epstein took Redacted to the bed and she sat facing him. Epstein directed Redacted on what to do and how to touch him. Epstein masturbated. Redacted took this to mean that she had to perform sexual favors. After this incident, Redacted had a lot of sexual contact with Epstein. It was pretty often. It varied and happened in all locations. Epstein would wake Redacted up by beginning to fondle her. There were some situations that involved other people. The first time another person was present it was Glenn Maxwell. Epstein was laying down. Maxwell was touching Redacted and instructing her on what to do. Maxwell told Redacted where to touch Epstein and how to touch him before Epstein went to jail. The first time was the last time Redacted had any type of sexual contact with him. Epstein would ask Redacted to come over and sleep in his bed. Epstein called Redacted his human water bottle. The sexual contact with Epstein phased out after Epstein went to jail. Did not sleep in his bed anymore. The majority of time, the sexual contact would begin with Epstein waking Redacted up by fondling her. Epstein would direct Redacted by grabbing her hand to follow him to his room. Epstein would lay down and masturbate. Sometimes Epstein would touch redacted, tell her how to sit and how to move her head. Epstein would ask Redacted to give him a blowjob. In Palm Beach. Epstein and Redacted were working out in the cabana. Epstein was on the bike while Redacted was doing sit ups. Epstein turned the music up loud and put the hurricane shutters up. Epstein basically aggressively raped Redacted. Epstein pulled Redacted's pants down and had intercourse with her. This was the only time Redacted remembered him having intercourse with her. There were Two other times besides the time with Maxwell where other people were present during the sexual encounters. There was a time on the island where Redacted was present. Redacted remembered being on the bed with her while Epstein directed them. There was a time in New York where Redacted was present. Epstein asked both of them to come over and it led to a similar situation. And as it happened on the island with Redacted in Palm beach. The sexual contact with Epstein happened in Redacted the gym. And though she could not picture it, Redacted was sure that it also happened in his room In New York. Epstein would call Redacted over to sleep with him, usually at night. Epstein's code word was cold cheats. In the beginning, Epstein would have redacted sleep over and it turned sexual when Epstein was with Maxwell. Recalled being afraid that Maxwell would find out because worked in her building. Thought that when Epstein started dating, he just had sleep with him. With no sexual contact on the island. The sexual contact occurred in Maxwell's bedroom. There were also times Redacted with Ra Epstein baths and she would be in the bath and that would lead her to the bedroom. Maxwell had approximately four girls and including Redacted Redacted and redacted on the island For Epstein's birthday. Maxwell asked them to get naked and wrap themselves in Saran wrap. Maxwell took photos. Maxwell had massage tables brought down to the beach. Maxwell and Epstein got on the table with the women surrounding them while she took a photo. All the women were topless. Maxwell also had them paint on their breasts to put on a canvas to give to Epstein. Redacted thought this happened around January of 2002 in Paris. Epstein would have redacted sleep in his bed. Epstein would direct redacted on what to do, how to sit, where to put her shoulders and how to put her head so that he could not see her face. Epstein told her that he did not want to see her face. Epstein wanted his nipples rubbed. Redacted stayed with him in Paris. Redacted recalled Epstein leading her to his bed in New Mexico. Most encounters in Epstein's bed were with Epstein masturbating. Redacted did not recall revolving around the massage room or during a massage. Epstein asked Redacted to give him two full proper body massages. Once on the island with a masseuse and once on the ranch when no masseuse was available. Redacted massaged Epstein's feet all the time along with rubbing his shoulders and cracking his back. Redacted described Epstein directing her meant that he would Tell her how to touch him, where to touch him and how to sit. Sometimes Epstein would touch Redacted recalled being around during approximately 20022003 redacted was present for a sexual encounter on the island. Viewed redacted as Epstein's girlfriend. Redacted Thought redacted was a redacted and thought redacted to be in her 20s during this time. Redacted Recalled redacted being around during approximately 2002 and 2003. Dacted did not know how redacted met Epstein traveled a lot when redacted had started. Thought redacted was in college viewed as Epstein's girlfriend. The sexual encounter involving Maxwell happened very early on but did not happen the first time Redacted met them. This happened when redacted came back. Redacted did not remember how it started but recalled being on the bed. Maxwell was naked and told redacted that Epstein liked his nipples rubbed. Maxwell told Redacted that Epstein liked to like how to touch him. Maxwell was rubbing his nipples. Maxwell touched Redacted Maxwell did not talk about it afterwards. Maxwell always made comments and jokes about sexual she was outwardly very open about it. Maxwell said she had gone to a blowjob class. Maxwell offered to demonstrate what she learned. Maxwell discussed this very generally out at the common table. Redacted did not remember who was all present for the conversation. Redacted did not know if Maxwell engaged in other sexual contact with other women. When redacted first started, Maxwell made a comment to her saying listen to what Jeffrey says. He knows what he's doing. He's very successful. You do well to listen to what he has to say. During the sexual encounters with Epstein, Redacted felt ashamed. Redacted was nervous and scared, not sure what was going to happen. Redacted did not feel that she had a choice. Redacted did not know where else to go. Maxwell made comments about other girlfriends being trash. Redacted the did not want Maxwell to put her in that category because she did not want redacted Maxwell was Epstein's girlfriend. Maxwell approved of the bills, ran all of Epstein's houses and was in control of everything. Redacted never told anyone what happened. Redacted felt ashamed and buried it deep down. Redacted did not know who to tell. All of Redacted's friends were through Epstein. Redacted could not tell any of her boyfriends but because they would get rid of her. One of her redacted previous boyfriends was Epstein's paralegal who she met through Epstein Redacted thought that maybe there were times that there was not sexual contact when she traveled with Epstein between 2002 to 2005. But it happened more than not. Redacted described that the time where she and Epstein were in the gym was the first time she saw him being aggressive. Epstein seemed to have a rage about him. It was unexpected and out of the blue to Redacted. Redacted had no conversations about sexual boundaries with Epstein, did not want to have contact with him. Redacted described Epstein as overpowering, ominous figure. Redacted could feel Epstein's wrath if she did not do what he wanted. Epstein was mad at Redacted when she booked a car rental and she did not do exactly as he said, saw him yell at Maxwell and Redacted. Epstein dictated Redacted's hairstyle, color and style of clothes that she wore. Epstein had Redacted dye her hair blonde, cut it to a boy, cut and have bangs. Sometimes Epstein would go to the salon and tell them what to do to her hair. Epstein would buy Redacted clothes. If Redacted wore clothes that Epstein did not like, he would talk to her when she got them. When Redacted bought clothes, she would show Epstein to get his approval. Epstein also directed to Epstein commented on weight. Epstein would tell Redacted to lay off the brownies and tell her she should go to the gym. Epstein generally made comments to others as well, including would go to Epstein to get approval for every decision she made, renovated the guest apartment and went to him to get approval for it. Epstein knew that had boyfriends because she talked about them. Epstein gave his opinion to her about them. Epstein told her that one of them was a loser and she needed to break up with them. Epstein mostly put her boyfriends down. Epstein still had sexual contact with Redacted while she had boyfriends. Redacted time with Epstein was a whirlwind and they were constantly traveling. Epstein controlled where Redacted lived and where she went. They traveled every three days. In 2010, Epstein was released from jail and Redacted's responsibilities increased. Epstein did not have a chef at this time, so Redacted was responsible for food when they traveled. Redacted was renovating and decorating the rooms on the island and all the apartments at 301 E. 66th St, New York. After Epstein was released, Redacted did not recall setting up or scheduling massages for Epstein. Epstein was still getting massages. Epstein traveled with a masseuse who was redacted. Redacted did not recall if there was Any other masseuse in 2012. Redacted metacted Epstein was not involved in their meeting each other. When Redacted Metacted she began traveling with him. Redacted set up a design business. Epstein told Redacted she could still help with the renovations. The first people told about sexual encounters with Epstein were her lawyers and then her therapist. Redacted have two conversations with Epstein about writing a book. There was no conversation about putting the sexual experience in that book. From 2013 to 2018, redacted received two large payments, 100,000 and 250,000 from Epstein. Redacted had to sign a healthcare proxy so that if anything happened to her, Maxwell and Epstein would be responsible for her well being. They did not want her family to be responsible. Redacted thought that this was Maxwell's idea, but she was not sure. Redacted also had to sign a confidentiality agreement. Redacted visited Epstein when he was under house arrest in Palm Beach. Epstein would get massages from Redacted or whoever was traveling. Epstein paid for lawyers for Redacted One of the lawyers was redacted. This was after Epstein went to jail and there was civil suits. Redacted thought that she may have been deposed while he was in jail. When Redacted had a lawsuit against Maxwell, Redacted was told by Epstein's in house counsel, Darren Indyke to find a lawyer and Epstein would pay for it. Redacted paid for some of the expenses of the lawyer. The lawyer was redacted, but he eventually stopped representing Redacted because he wasn't getting paid. Redacted not all subject matter was discussed during the course of this interview. Dates and times are approximate. All right, folks, there it is. One of the 302 reports from Sarah Kellen Vickers and her interview with the FBI. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.