
Sarah Kellen Vickers, Jeffrey Epstein’s longtime assistant and one of the women named in his 2007 non-prosecution agreement as a potential co-conspirator, reportedly told congressional investigators that she was not an accomplice in Epstein’s abuse...
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What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. On Thursday, Congress heard from Sarah Kellen Vickers. And according to reports, she gave Congress three names of people who abused her. And while I certainly think that Sarah Kellen Vickers was part of Epstein's operation, that doesn't mean that she couldn't have been victimized by these other scumbags. So two things can be true at one time. And when you're dealing with a highly nuanced situation such as this, not everything's going to be cut and dry. There's going to be a lot of gray area, right? So for me, like I've always said, it comes down to actionable intelligence. So if Sarah Kellen Vickers gives the authorities information and they use that information to make arrests and expand their investigation, then I'm completely fine with Sarah Kellen Vickers catching some kind of deal. Not because I think that she's innocent. But if you want to build a substantial case against the remaining remnants of Jeffrey Epstein's friends, you're going to need informants. You're going to need people that are willing to give testimony and provide evidence to the court. And if Sarah Kellen Vickers is willing to play ball and do that, then I wouldn't be opposed to her catching some kind of leniency from the government. But it has to be quid pro quo. It can't just be, well, I was a victim of Jeffrey Epstein, too. Well, okay, but why did you do what you did? You being a victim, that doesn't give you the carte blanche to do whatever you want to anybody else and hurt other people. But at the same time, that doesn't mean I think that Sarah Kellen Vickers should have been abused by any of these scumbags either. So when you talk about a complicated situation, this is it. Today's article is from cnn and the headline here is who Epstein's longtime assistant accused of sexual abuse. This article was authored by Annie Grayer, Jake Tapper and Nikki Robertson. Lawmakers investigating the late convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein are turning their attention to three men who Epstein's longtime assistant accused of sexual abuse and closed door testimony. This week, sources that were familiar with the matter told cnn. And for me, the biggest issue with Sarah Kellen Vickers is the fact that she never came forward previously. She wasn't living on the run. She wasn't living in hiding or anything like that. She had a very powerful husband, someone with a lot of money, somebody that could have protected her, but she chose to remain silent. And I think she's going to have to answer for that. But if she gives actionable intelligence that leads to other people being arrested, convicted, then I think that's worth something. And I know it's not something that everybody wants to swallow, but that's the way the system's set up. And to get people, bad people, evil people, a lot of times you have to play ball with other bad people. And if Sarah Kellen and her testimony can lead to another crack in the armor, then I think it might be worthwhile to explore what kind of deal she could be provided. And if the government would have just done the right thing from the beginning and made this a RICO case, that would have happened earlier. But now we have to play catch up. We have to run around, put out fires and figure out what's what, who knows this, who knows that. And all the while, you can't really compel people to do so unless you subpoena them. And even then, do you really believe people aren't lying to Congress whole ass other thing, when you get hit with rico, right, and all your funds get frozen and you're living like a pauper, then it becomes a problem. But better late than never. So retroactively, if they're actually going to go back and go after the people that Kellen gives information about, then I'm more than willing to listen to some kind of plea deal for Sarah Kellen Vickers, but only if she gives actionable intelligence. In an interview with the House Oversight Committee on Thursday, former Epstein assistant Sarah Kellen accused the three men of wrongdoing and identified them by name, House Oversight Chair James Comer said. Sources told CNN that Kellen named Frederick Fakai, a French celebrity hair stylist, Philip Levine, the former mayor of Miami beach and cruise industry entrepreneur, and Patrick Demarcier, a French fashion photographer. Well, that shouldn't shock anybody. And Frederick Fakai, we've talked about him on the podcast previously. We heard all the stories about the girls going down to Freddy Fakai to get their hair done. All of Epstein's assistants, quote, unquote, co conspirators, getting taken care of by Freddie Fakai. Hey, Jeffrey, send the girls down. Kellen accused Fakai and Levine of sexually assaulting her and testified that Demarcier exposed himself to her, one of the sources familiar with the matter said. Another source said that Kellen asserted that Fakai assaulted her in the early 2000s, before she met Epstein, when the two were alone together in a hotel room while on a trip to Hawaii to meet with modeling agents. And I have a funny feeling from Everything that I've heard so far of, you know, what Kellen was saying, it kind of seems like she might have been taken up for Epstein a little bit and trying to, you know, defend them still. At least that's what's been inferred by some of the people that were at the hearing. But like usual, we'll wait for the transcript because I want to be able to read it for ourselves. And I think that we'll have a better handle on what Sarah Kellen said and what her motivations might be once we get our hands on that transcript. A media representative for Fakai disputed that Fakai had done anything wrong. Mr. Fakai was astonished to read of Ms. Kellen's testimony. Mr. Fakai never abused anyone. He never participated in any illegal behavior. He knew nothing about Epstein's repugnant depravity or trafficking. He did nothing wrong, the representative marker said in a statement. Well, look, all I can tell you is what other people have said. The women that were there, the people that were going to his salon, and the people that were abused by Epstein, and a lot of those women have named Frederick Fakai. Her also specifically denied the allegation of assault. Then that is categorically untrue. Mr. Fakai never assaulted anyone. Well, if that's the case, I guess we can expect a lawsuit filed against Sarah Kellen Vickers, right? I mean, if he's saying that she's lying about him, probably something that you would do. Unless, of course, she's not lying. Kellen told committee investigators that Levine assaulted her in San Trope at the home being rented by Epstein and his co conspirator Glain Maxwell, in the early 2000s, one of the sources familiar with the matter told CNN. And you're wondering why Jeffrey Epstein caught a sweetheart deal down in Palm Beach? Well, when the mayor is, you know, having relations, if you will, with one of Jeffrey Epstein's quote, unquote assistants, you really think Epstein doesn't have compromise on that? Dude, Wait, I. I thought I was told there was no compromise. I thought I was told this was all a hoax, everything was overblown, nobody was trafficked, and that we should just move on. Hey, have you seen the aliens? Isn't that what we've been told? Wait a minute. They're lying to you? Holy. What do you know? I'm shocked to hear it. CNN attempted to reach Levine and representatives of Demarcier, who died in 2022 through phone calls and emails and as well as direct messages on social media. Earlier this year, lavine told WLRN in a statement that he only met Epstein a few times and he regretted it. Oh, yeah, I'm sure you regretted it, buddy. I'm sure you really regretted it. That's why you were so forthcoming about everything you knew about Jeffrey Epstein, right, Mr. Mayor. Meanwhile, we're hearing about Sarah Kellen Vickers saying that she was abused by. By this dude. And frankly, I believe her because that's what Jeffrey Epstein did when he wanted to ingratiate himself to somebody in power. There was always a girl on standby, and it wasn't for everybody. Like I've told you, you know, other people might want to tell you it's some kind of Heidi Flice operation, but that's not what was going on when these women were provided. It was for Jeffrey Epstein's benefit at the people that have been accused directly. And look at how powerful they are. Leon Black, Les Wexner, Marvin Minsky, George Mitchell, Bill Richardson, Bill Gates. So you start looking at the people that we've talked about that allegedly were taking part in the abuse. And it's obvious that that part of Epstein's operation was a, quote, unquote, luxury service. And it was only reserved for some people. As I've previously stated, my only connection to Jeffrey Epstein arose solely through my former friendship with Glenn Maxwell. As if that's better. As if being friends with Glenn Maxwell is more acceptable. Do these people even listen to themselves? I met Epstein only a few times. I never conducted any business with him, never visited his island, and never flew on his aircraft. I regret ever meeting him. He said at the time. Yeah. How many times you been to his house, Mr. Mayor? Kellen testified that the Marchier introduced her to Epstein, who he characterized as a scout for possible Victoria's Secret models. Another source familiar with the matter told CNN none of the men have been charged with a crime in connection with Epstein. And Comer said the committee had not previously known of allegations of sexual abuse against them. Well, that's because they don't know much about much. And the truth is, a lot of people talking about this story, they don't know their ass from their elbow, and they're doing great harm. So many people are out here trying to use this as a cudgel politically, and it causes great harm to the case overall. But that doesn't matter to the Taurus. The people that just showed up and. And thought that they could use this story as some kind of weapon. It's not about justice. It's not about seeing things through. It's not about the survivors Being made whole or as whole as possible? No, it's about looking for the most salacious part of the story and trying to exploit it. A CNN review of the Epstein files released by the Department of Justice showed that Levine and Fakai had ties to the late convicted sex offender dating back years. The files, however, do not appear to reveal any direct interaction between Dimarcier and Epstein, according to CNN's review. That doesn't mean anything. Doesn't mean a thing. Just because they have no emails doesn't mean that Dimarcier wasn't doing what he's accused of doing now. On the flip side, doesn't mean that he did it either. We have to keep that in mind. So where do I land? Well, let's see some evidence one way or the other. There's no indication in the publicly available Epstein files reviewed by CNN that any of the three men had been interviewed by federal investigators. And that's a shock. They didn't want the investigation to expand. What they wanted was a nice little cleanup operation. That's what they wanted. Kellan's a polarizing figure in Epstein's orbit, whose work with the disgraced financier pedophile provided her access to to significant information on his activities. In 2007, she was labeled by law enforcement as one of Epstein's potential co conspirators. But she described herself as a victim of Epstein's abuse, and some observers acknowledge her experience is complicated. Even if law enforcement did investigate her for possibly aiding Epstein, Comer said she was not interviewed by law enforcement until 2019. Her lawyer declined to comment. And look, it is complicated. I'm not going to sit here and make pretend it's not. It is. He groomed me sexually and psychologically abused me, control me, manipulated me, dominated me and gaslit me until I could no longer tell which thoughts were mine and which were his. Kellen told lawmakers of Epstein, according to a copy of her opening statement. It was like living with a permanent virtual reality headset on. I was reminded every day how powerful he was, how influential he was, and that to turn on him or disobey him would mean losing everything. My job, my home, everyone I knew in my world, even my life. And look, I have compassion for that. I most certainly do. I'm not somebody who's heartless, right. And I don't have some, you know, deep down hatred of Sarah Kellen Vickers. I don't hate her, not by any stretch. But I feel like she hasn't been honest and she hasn't been forthcoming throughout the years. And while I certainly acknowledge that it's dangerous to come out against a guy like Epstein, Kellen was in a different spot. She had powerful people around her and she had some dough. She could have easily won against Epstein. She could have came forward, she could have got with other survivors and they could have, you know, came out together and said, look, this is what went down. I'm willing to take my lumps, but I want to tell everybody that I was also a victim and Epstein groomed me. But none of that happened. And when you don't get out in front of a narrative and instead you let the public build that narrative and fill in the spots, then it's going to be what it's going to be. And let's remember, Epstein died in 2019. She's had all these years. She could have come forward. So I'm not sitting here saying that I think that Sarah Kellen Vickers is without fault. She most certainly is. And unless she provides actionable intelligence that leads to arrests, then I think that Sarah Kellen Vickers should still be looked at as a co conspirator. Comer declined on Thursday to name the individuals and promised his committee would release a transcript of Kellen's interview as soon as possible. The accusations that Kellen leveled against the men, Comer said, would provide congressional investigators a new lead to chase down. Of all the people that we've interviewed thus far, this was by far the most substantive and productive interview that we've had, he told reporters on Thursday. Well, that's because you guys didn't really push on any of the other people that came in. And let's not forget that Mr. Comer and his buddies decided not to go speak to Les Wexner. What the Epstein files show about Faki the files reveal that over many years, Epstein spent thousands of dollars at the famed Frederick Fakai Salon for himself and others, according to invoices and credit card statements released by the Justice Department. Virginia talks about it, too, and so did Maria and multiple other women. But Epstein's relationship with Fakai appeared to extend beyond that of a professional hairdresser and a client, according to the doj, as Epstein files at least four times, Fakai reportedly asked to use one of Epstein's apartments, emails from the files show. And that was another big thing. Hey Epstein, can I borrow your apartment? All these fucking rich people don't want to spring for a hotel room. Instead, we'll just go stay with our diddling buddy Jeffrey Epstein. Sounds like a fantastic plan. In 2010, Faki also asked to use Epstein's room for an appointment with his own masseuse. Email shows Epstein agreed, but told a person whose name is redacted in the files to let Fakai know that Epstein would be home that same year, Epstein boasted to a redacted person that he had known Fakai for 10 years and helped his company form. That checks out. Epstein was always throwing that money around, right? In 2013, Epstein asked Faki for help finding a multilingual assistant and Fakai responded that he would check his Rolodex in email shows that same year, Faki wrote Epstein about a female coming over to one of his salons and as a representative of Epstein wrote to invite Faki over for cake for Epstein's birthday. I'd rather be in a Taliban prison than eat cake with Jeffrey. Epstein and Maxwell told Acting Attorney General Todd Blanche in an interview last year that Epstein and Faki were friendly, Very friendly. What the Epstein Files show about Levine Epstein and Levine were in contact through the early 2000s and had plans to talk on the phone and meet in person multiple times throughout the years, according to the Justice Department files. It's not clear in the files if the meetings actually took place in 2003. For example, the files show that Levine had tried to arrange a business meeting for Epstein with a former managing director of the company overseeing Sephora. In 2010, the year after Epstein was released from jail in Florida after being convicted on state charges related to sex crimes, Levine wrote to Epstein, I'm happy that everything has come to a positive ending for you during these tough times. You're a great guy. Lavigne ran successfully for mayor of Miami beach in 2013 and unsuccessfully for governor of the state in 2018. Epstein's inbox is filled with campaign emails from Levine. In 2013, Epstein responded to a generic campaign email asking how much he could donate to the campaign, and someone responded from Levine, demeyer Dwight, directing the financier to use their website. Levine also appeared to have a relationship with Maxwell, Epstein's criminal accomplice. Email show Levine asked Maxwell in one email to Scout at a party she was attending in 2001. In 2003, Levine told her that he had a hot young thing spending the weekend. Call me. Another email shows now what the do you think he means by that? Remember, look at it in context and through the lens of what Maxwell and Epstein were and do you notice it's only these powerful people that are asking about the girls, Prince Andrew, this dude and the whole host of other powerful people. Why do you think they're asking Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein about girls. Maxwell told Blanche that then deputy Attorney General last year that Levine was the one who introduced her to former president Bill Clinton. She referred to herself as Levine, as very good friends. I don't believe that for a second. Jeffrey Epstein was going to the White House in the early 90s, and it was Mark Middleton who set that all up. Maxwell and Levine seemed to have a relationship where they frequently joked with sexual undertones. Email show. In one email, Maxwell referred to Levine as her boyfriend. In messages from 2001, Maxwell says that she unceremoniously dumped Epstein for Levine. Oh, isn't that cute? Isn't that cute? And imagine being attached to that as Mr. Levine here. Not only are you attached to Glenn Maxwell, but now you're being accused by Sarah Kellen Vickers of partaking in Epstein's abuse. And let's not act like these were the first names that we've heard when this was all starting back in 2019, and we heard about Leon Black and Les Wexner and Bill Richardson and George Mitchell and the rest of them. Nothing happened. And then you have people out here that are like, well, what are the names? Who was involved? Bitch. You've been given the names. They're just not the names you want to hear. They're not the kind of names that you think will move the needle politically. And when people say no names have been named, that's what they mean, because there's been plenty of names that have been thrown out there, plenty of people that have been credibly accused. And now that this information is out there in public, the question becomes, what's Congress gonna do? And more importantly, what about the doj? So we're gonna follow along, and when we have some more information, one way or the other, we'll get it added to the catalog. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
Host: Bobby Capucci
Air Date: May 25, 2026
This episode dissects the recent closed-door Congressional testimony of Sarah Kellen Vickers, a former assistant to Jeffrey Epstein, who has now named three individuals she claims abused her. Host Bobby Capucci explores the implications, the complex moral gray areas around Kellen’s own role in Epstein’s circle, and breaks down details from a CNN report about the testimony. The episode’s focus is on new leads in the ever-evolving Epstein case and the potential consequences for both survivors and previously unnamed alleged abusers.
Victim and Perpetrator Dynamic:
Bobby emphasizes the complexity of Kellen’s role in Epstein’s operation:
“That doesn’t mean that she couldn’t have been victimized by these other scumbags. So two things can be true at one time. And when you’re dealing with a highly nuanced situation such as this, not everything’s going to be cut and dry.” (01:04)
Informant Value vs. Accountability:
Capucci argues that if Kellen provides actionable intelligence leading to prosecutions of more powerful figures, leniency could be appropriate, but only in exchange for significant cooperation.
“If Sarah Kellen Vickers is willing to play ball and do that, then I wouldn’t be opposed to her catching some kind of leniency from the government. But it has to be quid pro quo.” (02:01)
Delayed Disclosure and Criticism:
Bobby critiques Kellen’s years-long silence, despite her resources and ability to speak out:
“She wasn’t living on the run... she chose to remain silent. And I think she’s going to have to answer for that.” (03:35)
Who Was Named (12:40 & 17:08):
Nature of Allegations:
Responsiveness of the Named Individuals:
Fekkai's Denial:
“Mr. Fekkai was astonished to read of Ms. Kellen’s testimony. Mr. Fekkai never abused anyone... He knew nothing about Epstein’s repugnant depravity or trafficking. He did nothing wrong,” (20:15, statement via media rep).
Levine’s Prior Statement:
Capucci highlights skepticism around Levine’s regret about knowing Epstein, quoting a previous public statement: “I only met Epstein a few times and I regretted it.” (23:15)
Capucci remarks sarcastically:
“That’s why you were so forthcoming about everything you knew about Jeffrey Epstein, right, Mr. Mayor.” (23:22)
Fekkai’s Relationship with Epstein:
Levine’s Relationship with Epstein and Maxwell:
Demarchelier:
DOJ and Congressional Handling:
Despite many allegations, none of the three men have been charged or, apparently, even interviewed by federal authorities.
Capucci is sharply critical about this ongoing lack of action:
“They didn’t want the investigation to expand. What they wanted was a nice little cleanup operation. That’s what they wanted.” (39:55)
Chairman James Comer called Kellen’s interview “by far the most substantive and productive interview that we’ve had.” (36:23)
Critique of Media and Political Use:
“So many people are out here trying to use this as a cudgel politically, and it causes great harm to the case overall.” (33:55)
On Compromise and Power (re: Levine):
“And you’re wondering why Jeffrey Epstein caught a sweetheart deal down in Palm Beach? When the mayor is, you know, having relations, if you will, with one of Jeffrey Epstein’s ‘assistants’, you really think Epstein doesn’t have compromise on that dude?” (17:44)
On Powerful Clients:
“[Epstein’s] cast of scoundrels... spans continents and political affiliations... The people that have been accused directly, and look at how powerful they are — Leon Black, Les Wexner, Marvin Minsky, George Mitchell, Bill Richardson, Bill Gates... obvious that that part of Epstein’s operation was a ‘luxury service’ reserved for some people.” (24:20)
On Survivor Testimonies and Delayed Truths:
“If she gives actionable intelligence that leads to other people being arrested, convicted, then I think that’s worth something. And I know it’s not something that everybody wants to swallow, but that’s the way the system’s set up.” (04:08)
On Tackling the Gray Areas:
“I have compassion for that. I most certainly do... But I feel like she hasn’t been honest and she hasn’t been forthcoming throughout the years. And while I certainly acknowledge that it’s dangerous to come out against a guy like Epstein, Kellen was in a different spot... She could have easily won against Epstein.” (31:44)
Bobby Capucci’s episode delivers a nuanced analysis on Sarah Kellen’s testimony: while emphasizing the complicated nature of survivors who also became perpetrators, he advocates for practical justice—even if that means making deals with informants like Kellen, provided they offer real, actionable new leads. He underscores the gravity of Kellen’s Congressional statements, confronts allegations surrounding powerful figures, and stays strongly critical of both law enforcement inertia and the exploitation of the case for political ends.
With this testimony, new pressure is on Congress and the DOJ to act—and Capucci promises to continue diligent coverage as the story evolves.