
Sarah Kellen, one of the four women named as a “potential co-conspirator” in Jeffrey Epstein’s controversial 2008 non-prosecution agreement, is now trying to reframe her place in the Epstein story before she appears before Congress. In an interview...
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Visit your nearby Lowes Foreign what's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. As Congress continues to make their way through the depositions today we're going to hear from Sarah Kellen Vickers, who as you know, was mentioned numerous times during the Glenn Maxwell trial in court documents and by survivors themselves as somebody who took part in the abuse. While now, according to Sarah Kellen and her lawyers, she was just another victim of Jeffrey Epstein. The problem for Sarah Kellen Vickers is that the historical facts don't quite match up with the narrative they're trying to palm. Because if Sarah Kellen Vickers was this gigantic victim that she says she was, why didn't she go to the authorities after Epstein was arrested the first time? Why didn't she cut ties with him? Why is she hidden behind that non prosecution agreement? Well, according to her, she didn't even know she was part of it. And again, I have my doubts. When you're an adult and you're in a situation like Sarah Kellen Vickers was and say you're being coerced, say you're being threatened and then that person goes to jail or prison and you still don't come forward. And not only that, but you continue to have relations with the man and you continue to be his friend. But now that the spotlight has turned to you, all of a sudden you're some big victim. I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. Today's article was published by msn.com and the headline set to appear before Congress. An Epstein potential co conspirator says she too was a victim. Well, cool. Maybe Sammy the Bull Gravano could just tell the court, look, I'm a victim. I didn't do any of this on my own. I was forced to do it all. Lifestyle and shit. You know, I grew up in this. How ridiculous would that be? And look, I'm not saying that Epstein didn't manipulate Sarah Kellen Vickers. He most certainly did. But she had agency as an adult, especially after he was removed from the equation. This article was authored by Lisa Rubin, one of the four women named as potential co conspirator and Jeffrey Epstein's sweetheart deal with federal prosecutors is breaking her silence to tell the world that she is also a survivor of his abuse and that she believes law enforcement ultimately came to see her as a victim. Well, that's your narrative, but the documentation has you down as a co conspirator. Are you willing to give up the protection that that NPA gives you? Let's see you put your money where your mouth is. All this talk about, oh, I'm innocent, I had nothing to do with it. Cool. Wave your right to that NPA then. You didn't want it, right? You had no idea you were getting it right. Wave it. Sarah Kellen, who was employed by Epstein as a personal assistant for more than a decade starting in 2001, has come forward on the eve of her appearance Thursday before the House Oversight Committee for a closed door transcribed interview. In interviews with federal and state law enforcement, as well as other public documents, including civil lawsuits, survivors of Epstein and Glenn Maxwell have alleged Kellen handled some of the logistics that enabled Epstein and his abuse, including calling his minor victims to make arrangements for massages, escorting them to Epstein's bedroom, and encouraging them to bring friends. Oh, yeah, not a co conspirator, just a regular old girl, you know, just doing what she has to do to get by. Look, I don't believe Sarah Kellen Vickers narrative. I don't believe what she's saying, and I don't believe she gives a damn about any of the survivors. If she did, she would have came forward earlier. Only reason she wants to talk now is because she has to. And do you notice the difference between her and Nadia? Nadia spoke to the police right away. 2019 went down. Okay, let's cooperate. And again, look, I'm not saying Nadia shouldn't have some kind of punishment. She probably should. But I think it is a step too far to try and paint Sarah Kellen Vickers as some kind of victim. Was she victimized by Epstein? Probably. Is she a victim in the same category as the survivors? Absolutely not. Let me ask you a question. How many survivors ended up with a NASCAR husband? How many of them ended up with a life that Sarah Kellen Vickers had? And how do you think she got that life? That's right through Jeffrey Epstein. And at least some Epstein survivors remain angry about Kellen's role. Could tell you right now, if Virginia was with us, she would not be happy about this kind of talk. I promise you. Not exactly the biggest fan of Sarah Kellen Vickers. Earlier this year, Epstein survivor Teresa Helm told British media outlet that Kellen groomed her for abuse and that she's still unconvinced that Kellen didn't know what she was doing. Kellen's lawyers say Kellen never met Teresa Helm. Oh, well, I guess I have to just believe whatever Sarah Kellen says, huh? Sorry, not gonna happen. Kellen and her lawyers have insisted, however, that to the extent that she was involved in Epstein's web, it was part and parcel of how Epstein sexually and psychologically abused her for more than a decade. They said that Kellen is no differently situated than other survivors of Epstein's decades long predation of women and girls. Oh, they're going to take offense to that. So Sarah Kellen Vickers is no different than the 14 year old girl who she led to Jeffrey Epstein's bedroom. That is quite the leap. And while they might find some allies in Congress, I don't think the American public's going to be very receptive to that kind of. I have no doubt that there are countless women currently trapped in similar situations and that could be helped by hearing my story. Kellen told Ms. Now. Oh, convenient. Now that you're on the dock, now that you're being forced into talking, how come you didn't come forward before? Why didn't you come and talk to the jury at the Glenn Maxwell trial? Why didn't you volunteer any information? Well, that's right, because in my opinion, you're part of it. Kellen's lawyers said that while New York federal prosecutors investigated Kellen and and initially sought to have her plead guilty to witness tampering, they came to understand that Kellan was victimized by Epstein and decided against prosecuting her. No, they were controlling the bomb radius. Come on, stop all the bullshit. It's amazing how many people still don't understand what happened here. Aside from brief comments to The sun in 2020, Kellan has avoided the press. But she and her lawyers said they now want the public to understand how Epstein transformed her life not only through years of abuse, but also as including her as his potential co conspirator in a 2007 non prosecution agreement that is absolute. She could have went to the court and said, I want nothing to do with this. What are you talking about? I'm not part of this. I'm not some co. Co conspirator. She didn't do that though, Right, because she wanted to be protected because she knew she was part of it. I feel like Kellen and her lawyers are trying to emotionally manipulate the situation and I'm not falling for it. That agreement was a critical piece of Epstein's so called sweetheart deal, which resulted in Epstein pleading guilty to two state prostitution related crimes, serving fewer than 13 months in jail, including work release time and registering as a sex offender in New York. Kellen's lawyers told Ms. Now that Kellen was not consulted prior to her inclusion in the agreement, nor did she learn about it until after it was executed. That's a lie. I don't believe that. I'm sorry, I just don't believe it. They said the non prosecution agreement nearly destroyed Kellen's life by portraying her as complicit in his sexual abuse and trafficking. As a result, they said Kellan has endured nearly 20 years of harassment and threats to this day. Oh, please, give me a break. What about those little girls from Ukraine or Latvia or Estonia or Peru or Brazil that you let into Jeffrey Epstein's room? Or that you called to have come over for a massage? Play that sympathy card with somebody else. I'm not buying it. All of my sympathy has been used up for the survivors. Included in the 3 million plus pages the Justice Department's published in response to the Epstein File Transparency act is correspondence between and among Florida federal prosecutors and Epstein's lawyers about resolving the federal investigation. Well, except for one year's worth of emails from Mr. Acosta himself. And isn't that just a gigantic coincidence, huh? Thousands of emails related to Epstein just disappear. Oh, okay, okay. I guess, you know, stop with the conspiracy theories, guys. Everything's okay here. There's no fire in the building. Prosecutors even considered charges against Epstein based on his conduct toward Kellen, according to people familiar with the investigation. Mid September draft plea documents published by the DOJ in a redacted form reflect a proposed charge against Epstein for assaulting Kellen on an airplane or around 2005. By the next afternoon, however, the lead prosecutor on the case, then Assistant U.S. attorney Anne Marie Vilafana, told a lawyer for Epstein she had received some negative reaction to charging Epstein with assaulting Kelling since she is considered one of the main perpetrators of the offenses that we planned to charge in the indictment. Yeah, no shit. You can be two things at once. You can be abused and an abuser. That doesn't give you Providence. That doesn't give you a pass. You're an adult. You're in charge of your own behavior, your own actions. Stop it. The next day, Epstein's lawyer, Jay Lefkowitz, first suggested protecting foreign name potential co conspirators, including Kellen, from prosecution for any criminal charges that arise out of the Ongoing federal investigation. So long as Epstein himself fulfilled all of his own responsibilities under the agreement, bing bang boom, that agreement is null and void. He didn't fulfill any of his responsibilities. None. So let's get rid of the NPA and let's see what Sarah Kellen Vickers has to say then. The non prosecution agreement was signed by Epstein and his counsel on September 24, 2007. Gone was any conception of Kellen as a victim of Epstein, despite prosecutors consideration of her as exactly that just days prior. Consideration. Okay. And after considering it, they decided to go a different way. So that seems like a pretty unstable ledge to stand upon. Instead, the agreement contained a provision that echoed the first proposal by Lefkowitz. In exchange for Epstein's guilty plea and his providing compensation to agreed upon victims, the U.S. attorney's office for the southern district of Florida agreed it would not institute any criminal charges against any potential co conspirators of Epstein, including Kellen and three other named women. In other words, the agreement tied Kellen's fate to Epstein's. She would only be safe from prosecution if he kept up his end of the bargain. Well, if she did nothing wrong, why would she be worried about prosecution? You bunch of dumb dumbs. Kellen's lawyer said that she was neither notified nor consulted before the agreement's execution. I don't believe that. Sorry. And if that's the case, well, you better talk to the doj. Isn't that what we're here for in the first place? To see how they fucked up? Well, get to yapping. Lefkowitz did not respond to Ms. NOW's request for comment on about the plea agreement proposal. Kellen said everything she knew about the investigation and Epstein sweetheart deal was controlled and manipulated by him, much as herself had been. Kellen said that she understood there was an investigation as of the mid-2000s, but that Epstein told her it had arisen after extortion attempts by girls who had lied to him about their ages and were in cahoots with the plaintiff's lawyers. One of the lawyers for the plaintiffs at the time, Brad Edwards, is now among Kellen's lawyers. Wow, what a clown show. Way to go big, Brad. So Brad Edwards has proven himself well, you know, just like the rest of them. Any way to get that payday, huh, Brad? Being on the other side of the aisle? Gross. And while she said she understood at the time that Epstein had made a deal of some sort that resulted in his plea in jail time, she does not recall learning any specifics of that deal until after the ink was dry. It was not until roughly two years later, when the agreement's existence and terms were first publicly reported, that Kellen said she learned that Epstein's agreement referenced and labeled her. But she still did not comprehend how it would impact her for decades to come. Kellen told Ms. Now the agreement not only created a false narrative about her, but it also frustrated her ability to crack that narrative. Epstein was still alive. It literally put a muzzle on us. It made us a target and it made us impossible for us to speak. She said, oh, please. No, it didn't. And even if there was an NDA, Epstein's dead. Why didn't you speak out when he first died? None of her story makes sense. I'm sorry, I'm not buying it now. That said, I'm not telling anybody else what to think. If you think that Sarah Kellen Vickers is worthy of, you know, empathy, great, cool. Me, personally, I don't believe that. And that's after years and years of listening to people tell me about Sarah Kell and Vickers. And I'm not talking about reading articles. I'm talking about telling me personally. More than a decade later, in 2020, renewed interest in Epstein's Florida deal led to a DOJ investigation of potential attorney misconduct by Vilafana, then U.S. attorney Alex Acosta and others. At the time, Vilafana told the DOJ's Office of Professional Responsibility that she agreed to include that provision because her office considered Epstein to be the top of the food chain and we wouldn't have been interested in prosecuting anyone else. Well, that's how it usually works when you're in a criminal organization. You go after the people on the bottom rung, and then you turn them, you flip them, and they rat on Epstein. They didn't even bother doing that. Ask yourself why. The 300/page OPR report does not reflect, however, why none of the federal prosecutors involved apparently pressed to speak with Kellen before naming her in Epstein's agreement. Part of the COVID up. Are you guys not paying attention? Like, I know there's a lot of other things going on in the world, a lot of shiny objects, but it's rather obvious what was going on here. And it's rather obvious that the NPA from the very beginning was built to keep all of this quiet so people can focus on all the other bullshit they could talk about. Oh, well, Epstein was not this gigantic human trafficker. But do you notice those people, they never want to have these conversations. They never want to talk about what the government did. They never want to talk about what the government didn't do. And they never want to talk about the fact that Jeffrey Epstein was protected and helped every step of the way. So they focus on the salacious nonsense. There's no cannibals. There's no evidence of so and so. At the same time, ignoring all the evidence that's been provided. The report also sheds no light on why prosecutors were comfortable labeling Kellen as a potential co conspirator, especially given their knowledge that Epstein had physically assaulted her without ensuring that the woman had the opportunity to speak with the federal law enforcement about their own experiences. Oh, give me a break. And do we have any proof that Epstein assaulted her besides her word? Why didn't she come forward? Isn't that the game we play? Right. Well, we don't know if she's a real victim. That's how the game's played by Epstein's friends, Right? Well, have a little taste of your own pie. But DOJ documents now show that at least one effort by law enforcement to talk to Kellen apparently was thwarted by Epstein. Like that's a problem into itself. How is it that the FBI could be thwarted by Epstein? Oh, that's right. He was protected. Kellen told Ms. Now that around 2007, she and another woman were with Epstein at an Airport in St. Thomas when a baggage handler approached and said the FBI wanted to speak with the women. Epstein went to talk to them, she recalled, and when he returned roughly 10 minutes later, he said, only, let's go. If they had orders to talk to us. How was Jeffrey allowed to speak to them on our behalf? Kellan asked. I don't know, Sarah. How come you didn't come out and speak to anybody in the aftermath when Epstein was arrested? How come you haven't come out and told anybody about what you know? Don't say the non prosecution agreement that gives you protection. It's not the other way around. It doesn't muzzle you. You're protected from whatever crimes were committed in Florida while working with Epstein. That's just the truth of the matter. That's what the NPA does. And if you want to show us you're serious, why don't you tell the Congress today that you want to rescind the protection under that order? If she does that, maybe I'll re evaluate my opinion. Have a funny feeling, though, she's not going to do it. Documents produced by the DOJ seem to back this up. Not only did Kellen tell prosecutors about the incident at their first meeting in 2019, but a memo prepared by an unnamed federal law enforcement agent reflects that in late August 2007, weeks before Epstein signed the non prosecution agreement, that agent rushed to the airport and St. Thomas, where Epstein's jet was about to take off in an attempt to serve target letters to two unnamed females he expected would be traveling with him. According to the document, the agent was advised by customs and Border patrol personnel who were present that Epstein was traveling alone. And her lawyers told Ms. Now that Kellen never received that target letter. Well, that's quite possible. We all know Epstein was running a gigantic immigration scam. So who exactly in Borders and Customs was helping him with that? It was not until July 6, 2019, the day of Epstein's arrest, that Kellen was personally approached by the FBI for the first time. Okay, great. Why didn't you come forward on your own? That's the key question here. Documents indicate that agents told Kellen Epstein had been arrested and that they wanted to interview her. When Kellen responded that she preferred to do so with her lawyers present, she was served with a grand jury subpoena. She and her lawyers met with prosecutors in the FBI for the first time that November, and their conversations continued the next month. Documents released by the DOJ reveal that during one of these meetings, Kellen described to prosecutors how Epstein not only sexually abused her pretty often, but but he also aggressively raped her on one occasion. And look, I'm not going to downplay that. Like I said earlier, two things can be right at once. Sarah Kellen Vickers can be vile for her own role in this, but that doesn't mean that she wasn't preyed upon by Epstein. I completely believe that he preyed on everybody in his orbit. Nobody was off limits. But that's not the issue at hand. The issue at hand is that Sarah Kellen Vickers was an adult herself and she did nothing to stop this. She didn't contact nobody. She didn't go undercover. She didn't call the police, nothing. In recent years, however, the lawyers believe law enforcement's understanding of Kellen has evolved. The recent DOJ release includes documents indicating that in 2020, Manhattan federal prosecutors initially considered charging Kellen criminally and even sought to have her plead guilty to witness tampering. Kellen and her legal team held firm, telling prosecutors in a now public 2020 email that a non prosecution agreement for her was deserved. Given Kellen's abuse and given the fact that we see her basically as a cog in Epstein's wheel, acting entirely at his direction and doing what she did at a time that she Herself was very vulnerable victim. So is Glenn Maxwell a victim? Because if Sarah Kellen Vickers is a victim, then should Maxwell use that same argument? Quite the slippery slope, isn't it? They also disputed in now another public email that Kellen was present when certain survivor witnesses were sexually assaulted. While acknowledging that Kellen does not doubt Epstein abused these women, as he did with almost all young women and girls he came into contact with. She was calling high school girls to come to Epstein's house. I'm not buying her bullshit. I'm sorry. I'm not buying it. Her lawyer said that those prosecutors ultimately informed them of their decision not to charge Kellan criminally. After Sarah was able to disclose her abuse at Epstein's hands, prosecutors recognized her as a victim and declined to prosecute. Kathleen Cassidy, who represented Kellan at the time and continues to be part of her legal team, told Ms. Now her legal team. How many lawyers does she need? Yo, this whole thing stinks. And the fact that Brad Edwards is working with her stinks even more. Kellen still wonders what life might have been like for the last 20 years if she had not been named a potential co conspirator in 2007, while Epstein himself largely evaded accountability. Oh yeah, her life was so rough. She married a NASCAR driver, was a millionaire, had a bunch of houses all over the place. Big time interior designer, big victim. I want to start turning some of the pain and trauma into something good that can help others and bring awareness to this important topic. She said. Yo, this is not going to hit well with some of the survivors. And I'll say it again, she's lucky Virginia's not around for this nonsense. She said that she started seeing a therapist experienced in treating survivors of sexual abuse, including several Epstein survivors through a trauma informed lens. I've been on a deep healing journey in the past seven years, coming to terms with my own abuse and manipulation. Meanwhile, let me reiterate, she was a millionaire, living it up. And at no point did she ever come forward. Not until it became an issue again, right? Not until she was getting called out. So she's sorry. Or sorry that we know. She said that. With the help of therapy, she now identifies as a survivor and has privately repaired and restored a relationship with some of Epstein's then minor victims. One survivor, Danny Bensky, recently told MSNow that Kellen's situation is complicated. When you're victimized and then you're put in a position where you're manipulated to recruit, that's a very sticky, complex situation. People really need to understand what sex trafficking is and what it looks like, she said it really is like a pyramid scheme. Yeah. If you're a kid and you're brought in, once you're an adult, that goes away. And I'm sorry, but that's just the way it goes. I really just hope that she says everything she knows. She said, I think, you know, that she saw a lot. Well, that's an understatement. But my opinion is she's had all these years to come forward and she didn't do it. But now that the spotlight is burning and. And its honor, well, she's coming forward, but not to own what happened, but to claim that she was also victimized. And considering everything we know, I just have a hard time believing that. So we'll have to wait until we see the transcripts, obviously, to see what she has to say. And then after we have the transcripts and we take a look for ourselves, we'll have an after action report about what went down. But until then, that's going to do it for this one. 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Podcast: The Epstein Chronicles
Host: Bobby Capucci
Episode Title: Sarah Kellen, the NPA, and the Line Between Abuse and Participation
Date: May 21, 2026
In this episode, host Bobby Capucci investigates the complex and controversial role of Sarah Kellen (now Sarah Kellen Vickers) in Jeffrey Epstein’s criminal enterprise. The discussion pivots around her pending testimony before Congress and her attempt to reframe herself as one of Epstein’s victims rather than a perpetrator. Capucci critically examines the narratives constructed by Kellen and her legal team, questions the legitimacy of her claims, and explores broader implications for justice regarding Epstein’s network and the infamous Non-Prosecution Agreement (NPA) that shielded several alleged co-conspirators.
On Responsibility and Agency:
“When you're an adult and you're in a situation like Sarah Kellen Vickers was… and then that person goes to jail… and you still don't come forward. And not only that, but you continue to have relations with the man... I'm sorry, I just don't buy it.” (02:15)
Challenging the Victim Narrative:
“So Sarah Kellen Vickers is no different than the 14-year-old girl who she led to Jeffrey Epstein’s bedroom. That is quite the leap.” (13:15)
On Survivors’ Anger:
“I could tell you right now, if Virginia was with us, she would not be happy about this kind of talk. I promise you.” (09:30)
Condemning Legal Maneuvers:
“Way to go big, Brad [Edwards, attorney]. Being on the other side of the aisle? Gross.… Any way to get that payday, huh, Brad?” (30:40)
Linking Cover-Up and Justice Department Failings:
“Part of the COVID up. Are you guys not paying attention?...It's rather obvious that the NPA from the very beginning was built to keep all of this quiet so people can focus on all the other bullshit…” (44:20)
On the Pyramid of Victimization:
[Survivor Danny Bensky]: "People really need to understand what sex trafficking is and what it looks like… it really is like a pyramid scheme." (57:35)
This episode provides a pointed, no-punches-pulled examination of Sarah Kellen’s evolving claim to victimhood within the Epstein scandal, holding both her and the American justice system to account. Bobby Capucci’s analysis is direct, forthright, and peppered with a deep skepticism for institutions and individuals who, in his view, continue to evade meaningful accountability. The question that hangs over the episode: Will there ever be justice for Epstein’s victims—and how do we parse complicity from coercion when dealing with his inner circle?