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The Epstein Chronicles

Episode: Steve Tisch Moves Giants Ownership Stake After Epstein Email Revelations

Host: Bobby Capucci
Date: June 9, 2026

Episode Overview

This episode centers on the recent controversy surrounding Steve Tisch, co-owner of the New York Giants, and his connections to Jeffrey Epstein as revealed by newly released emails. Host Bobby Capucci provides an in-depth analysis of how Tisch and his family are moving their Giants ownership stake into a trust after explosive revelations, the broader implications of the ties between powerful figures and Epstein, and the lack of consequences for those implicated in his network.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Exposure of Hidden Relationships

Capucci opens by highlighting the pervasive secrecy among Epstein’s associates who downplayed or lied about their connections (00:12).
Quote: “A lot of people that associated with Jeffrey Epstein never thought that those relationships were going to be outed. And because of that, when Epstein was arrested, they all remained silent… But now that these Epstein files have started to drop... there's a lot of people that were obviously telling lies.” (00:13)

2. Steve Tisch’s Denial and the Reality of the Evidence

Tisch initially tried to minimize his relationship with Epstein as mere philanthropy, but emails show Epstein was actively connecting him with women, raising questions about the nature of these introductions (01:07).
Capucci clarifies: “I’m not saying they’re underage... Not everything Epstein was doing had to do with underage girls... Epstein was the quintessential middleman.” (01:36)

3. The Giants Ownership Shake-Up

Citing a New York Post article, Capucci details Tisch's decision to transfer his family’s remaining ownership stake into a trust, likely prompted by mounting pressure following the email revelations (02:26).
Quote: “Do you really want to have this cloud hanging over your team coming into the season? Probably not the greatest thing in the world.” (02:41)
The Mara family and potential NFL intervention are discussed as central to this ownership decision, with Capucci noting the league’s interest in avoiding controversy (03:10–03:55).

4. Analysis of Consequences—or Lack Thereof

Capucci criticizes the optics-driven resolution, highlighting that the Tisch family’s move to a trust isn’t a real penalty:
- “No real penalties, right? Not like they're really losing anything. Just Mr. Tish will no longer be part of the day to day operations. But it's not like the family is going to have to sell the team, right?” (04:52)
- He suggests this is typical for elites: “There's always an out for rich people and this time it just happens to be... we'll put the team in the trust and our kids will have it.” (03:43)
Tisch and his siblings may retain roles on the board despite outwardly giving up direct control (05:50).

5. Details from the Epstein Emails

Tisch had extensive correspondence with Epstein, appearing at least 440 times in recently released files (07:05).
The emails include references to “working girls,” foreign women, and lewd discussions about women’s bodies.
Quote: "In one email, Tish even asked if a woman whom Epstein described as exotic and Tahitian was a working girl. Other exchanges referenced foreign women from Ukraine and Russia, while Epstein expressed caution about having their communications in writing." (08:00)

6. Skepticism About Remorse and Accountability

Capucci casts doubt on Tisch’s public remorse:
- “People like Mr. Tish never feel bad about anything unless it has to do with losing money.” (06:51)
Capucci questions why Tisch didn’t come forward sooner:
- “Why didn’t you come out ahead of time and talk about it? Why didn’t you come out when Epstein was arrested and say, you know what? I spent time with that jerk off... Well, you couldn't have done that, right? Because you were up to no good yourself.” (10:02)

7. Comparisons with Other Sports Ownership Scandals

Brief mention of Donald Sterling’s NBA ban highlights the limited actual fallout for people like Tisch compared to truly punitive actions in professional leagues (11:40).

8. Broader Implications and Final Thoughts

Capucci argues that more powerful figures are likely to face scrutiny as additional documents are released and insists that the reputational damage is self-inflicted:
- “I highly doubt that Mr. Tish is going to be the last person that we see stepping down due to their ties with Jeffrey Epstein. And I don't feel bad about any of it. They only have themselves to blame.” (12:27)
He closes the episode by reiterating that these individuals are “reaping what they’ve sown” by keeping such company (13:12).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Ownership Move:
“So what kind of move is this really? Not real punishment, right?”
– Bobby Capucci, 05:50
On Optics Over Accountability:
“They're making these moves because they feel like they have to, not because they feel guilty, not because, you know, they're taking responsibility. They're doing it so they don't cause their bank accounts, any agent. That's why they're doing it.”
– Bobby Capucci, 06:32
Epstein’s “Services”:
"Epstein was the quintessential middleman. Whether that means money, whether that means people, arms trafficking, whatever it might be, Epstein was the guy to hook it up, and all these people knew it."
– Bobby Capucci, 01:44
On Public Statements After the Fact:
“‘We had a brief association where we exchanged emails about adult women, and in addition, we discussed movies, philanthropy and investments.’ Tish said in a statement, ‘I did not take him up on any of his invitations and never went to his island. As we all know now, he was a terrible person and someone I deeply regret associating with.’”
– Read by Bobby Capucci, 11:22

Important Timestamps

00:13 – Opening remarks on concealed Epstein relationships
01:07 – Steve Tisch’s denials and evidence from the emails
02:26 – Details about Tisch transferring the Giants ownership to a trust
04:52 – Analysis of the lack of real consequences
07:05 – Specifics from the newly released Epstein emails
08:00 – “Working girl” emails and foreign women references
10:02 – Capucci’s skepticism over Tisch’s regret and public statements
11:40 – Reference to Donald Sterling’s case for comparison
12:27 – Broader implications and expectation of further resignations
13:12 – Closing: “You made this bed, Mr. Tish, and now you have to lie in it.”

Summary Takeaways

The episode casts a critical eye on elite figures' relationships with Epstein, using the Tisch case as a sharp example of how wealth and influence tend to shield individuals from meaningful consequences.
Capucci blends facts from new reporting with biting commentary, calling into question public remorse and condemning the superficiality of reputation-protecting moves.
The host forecasts more fallout as investigative files continue to expose high-profile connections to Epstein, ending with a note of “no sympathy” for those now facing the consequences of past associations.

For further details and supporting evidence, listeners are directed to the description box of the episode.

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Foreign what's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. A lot of people that associated with Jeffrey Epstein never thought that those relationships were going to be outed. And because of that, when Epstein was arrested, they all remained silent. And instead of coming out and explaining their associations, they lied about it. And for years, they were able to get away with it. But now that these Epstein files have started to drop and we started to get a look at them, there's a lot of people that were obviously telling lies. And one of those people is Steve Tish, the owner or co owner of the New York Giants. And Mr. Tish tried to deny his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, tried to act like there was not much going on there, when the fact is Epstein, according to the emails, was setting him up with women. But instead of Steve Tish just being honest about what was happening, about what happened, he lied about it, right? Oh, I didn't really know him. We just had some ties for philanthropy. That's it. No big deal. Why is anybody asking me about Jeffrey Epstein? Well, maybe, just maybe, because according to those emails, he was providing you with women. So who are these women? And look, I'm not saying they're underage. Let's not get that twisted. Not everything Epstein was doing had to do with underage girls. That was his proclivity. That's what he liked. That doesn't mean that he wasn't providing women of age for other people. You know, middlemanning it. You have to understand that Jeffrey Epstein was the quintessential middleman. Whether that means money, whether that means people, arms trafficking, whatever it might be, Epstein was the guy to hook it up, and all these people knew it. So when they lie and they talk about, oh, we were just involved in philanthropy or we just met at a business dinner one night, it's all a bunch of bs. And if you're lying about that, obviously people are going to wonder what else you're lying about. It's not that difficult, right? You have to get out in front of this kind of thing and you have to explain yourself, oh, look, I wasn't doing anything crazy with that dude. I didn't even know he was a child molester. And obviously that would be the right way to go about it. But the problem is a lot of these people knew what Epstein was. They just didn't care. And now that they're getting put on blast, all their excuses look pitiful. So today we have an article from the New York Post and the headline, steve Tisch Family Transferring Giants ownership after explosive working girl Epstein email revelations. Oh, and by the way, I don't care about Steve Tisch's reputation. Not in the least. Why should I care about his reputation if he didn't care about it? Seems kind of stupid, no? This article was authored by Matt Ehalt and Alex Oliveira. Giants co owner Steve Tisch plans to give up his ownership of the team after facing enormous pressure over a series of damning emails with pedophile financier Jeffrey Epstein, sources told the Post on Wednesday. A good idea. I mean, do you really want to have this cloud hanging over your team coming into the season? Probably not the greatest thing in the world. And I'm sure that the Mara family was happy to hear it because I highly doubt that the NFL and NFL fans were going to let it slide. Can you imagine the signs, the posters, the chance when opposing teams start keying in on Mr. Tish's relationship with Jeffrey Epstein? And not only that, Jeff, just the optics of it. All right, you have sponsors, you have people involved with the franchise. And not to mention the Mara family themselves. Certainly not down with this kind of. At least according to everything we know about them. I don't know them personally, but sure seems like they're not down with this kind of nonsense. So it was only a matter of time before the Titch family had to dip. The move to transfer the family's remaining stake in Big Blue into a trust will allow 77 year old Tish and siblings Lori and Jonathan to pass their ownership to their kids rather than face a possible revolt from fellow NFL owners. Now I don't know if you folks have noticed this or not, but there's always an out for rich people and this time it just happens to be we're gonna have a trust and we'll put the team in the trust and our kids will have it. So no real penalties, right? Not like they're really losing anything. Just Mr. Tish will no longer be part of the day to day operations. But it's not like the family is going to have to sell the team, right? That's not what's happening. What they're doing is putting it into a trust. The Tish's had already put Most of their 45 ownership shared into the trust and only hold about 10% of the team directly. According to sources, the move would lead the elder Tish siblings with no direct ownership of the team if the NFL's finance committee approved the move first reported by ESPN. And I think they're going to do that. Do you really think the NFL wants to deal with a bunch of. I don't think so. They got enough problems as it is. I'm sure we'll have five or six players who beat their wives show up on the scene soon. So the NFL doesn't need any other problems. And my guess is they were involved in whatever decision was made here. So I would look for the NFL to okay this and for this to be the way the Giants ownership is structured moving forward, at least for the foreseeable future. The team is estimated to be the third most valuable in the NFL, worth 10.3 billion, according to Forbes. The Mara family, which founded The Giants in 1925, owned the controlling stake in the franchise. The Koch family bought a 10% stake last year. Oh, everybody loves them, huh? The Kochs. I remember a few years ago that's all anybody ever talked about. Oh, the Koch brothers are ruining the country. The Koch brothers this, the Koch brothers that. Whatever happened to those dudes? But Tish's influence over the team may not vanish with the move. The billionaire is expected to retain his seat as chairman of the of the Giants board, and his siblings will still hold their seats as director and treasurer, Front office Sports reported. So what kind of move is this really? Not real punishment, right? What's he losing out on? Not being part of the day to day operations. Not losing out on any money. I can promise you that. So really, in my opinion, what it comes down to is nothing but optics. And unfortunately, that's what a lot of this stuff is. They're making these moves because they feel like they have to, not because they feel guilty, not because, you know, they're taking responsibility. They're doing it so they don't cause their bank accounts, any agent. That's why they're doing it. Well, you think Mr. Tish all of a sudden had a come to Jesus moment and he felt bad? My guess is people like Mr. Tish never feel bad about anything unless it has to do with losing money. A team source said the Tisch family had long planned to transfer the remainder of its direct ownership around this time, despite the announcement coming just days ahead of the NFL's owner meeting. Oh, I'm sure, I'm sure this was all in the works. They think you're stupid and they're still trying to cover for Mr. Tish. And keep in mind, what we're talking about here is not just an email. Was this dude getting traffic girls from Jeffrey Epstein? Did Jeffrey Epstein hook him up with girls that Epstein had coerced and captured into basically human slavery? Those seem like decent questions to ask? No. The Tisch family has cloned the giant since 1991, but trouble has been brewing since Steve's name appeared at least 440 times in the Epstein files, recently released by the Department of Justice. And again, they're not emails that are talking about the weather or, you know, about the giants. Talking about women and girls and knowing what we know about what Epstein was up to. It's very concerning. He had several eyebrow raising email exchanges with a disgraced financier in 2013 where they spoke lewdly of women's bodies and reminisced about hanging out at Epstein's home. Oh, I can only imagine what they were up to. Do you really think that Mr. Tish wasn't getting a massage over at Epstein's house? He most certainly was. Now, what kind of massage it was, that's up for debate. But it's not debatable that they were getting massages. I don't think you go to Epstein's house and and not get a massage. Working girl. In one email, Tish even asked if a woman whom Epstein described as exotic and Tahitian was a working girl. Other exchanges referenced foreign women from Ukraine and Russia, while Epstein expressed caution about having their communications in writing. Well, he knew. And Ukraine and Russia. What was Steve Tisch doing and why was he getting girls from there? He couldn't just get an escort from America. He had to go through Jeffrey Epstein to get a girl from Ukraine or Russia. Doesn't that seem odd to anybody else out there? My dude has more money than God himself. If this is how he wants to get down, why does Epstein have to be involved at all? Well, in my opinion, I'll tell you why. It's because they're fellow travelers and they have the same proclivities. Maybe not underage girls, but it's obvious that Mr. Tish has an appetite for what Jeffrey Epstein serving up. Tish has not been accused of any crime associated with Epstein and has expressed remorse for the time that he spent with him. Well, why didn't you come out ahead of time and talk about it? Why didn't you come out when Epstein was arrested and say, you know what? I spent time with that jerk off. He's a disgusting piece of trash and I should have never spent time with him. Well, you couldn't have done that, right? Because you were up to no good yourself, so you couldn't blow his doors open because you'd expose your own filth. Just like the whole entire situation surrounding Epstein. Oh, why didn't the Biden administration expose this? Well, they'd expose their own people, and they weren't ready to do it. That's why. And the same goes for people like Tish. He could have came out, he could have come forward, he could have. He could have given information about what went down, but no. So now reap what you've sown, and I don't care about your reputation. We had a brief association where we exchanged emails about adult women, and in addition, we discussed movies, philanthropy and investments. Tish said in a statement, I did not take him up on any of his invitations and never went to his island. As we all know now, he was a terrible person and someone I deeply regret associating with. The NFL said in February that it was aware of the emails between Tish and Epstein and we'll look into the matter. Oh, I'm sure they looked into it and they told Tish it was time to go. It's not unheard of for sports owners to be forced out of their league for their indiscretions. Former Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling was banned for life from the NBA in 2004 after he was caught making racist comments on a tape conversation with his ex girlfriend. Yo, imagine owning an NBA team and making racist comments. I'm sure your employees are going to Love that. Steve Tish's father, Bob, bought into the Giants in 1991. Bob Tish made a fortune with his brother Lawrence demolishing movie theaters and selling the property the through their Lowe's corporation. NYPD Commissioner Jessica Tish is a granddaughter of Lawrence Tish. So look, folks, I highly doubt that Mr. Tish is going to be the last person that we see stepping down due to their ties with Jeffrey Epstein. And I don't feel bad about any of it. They only have themselves to blame. Nobody told them to hang out with that dude. Nobody told them to try and have him hook them up with women. So as the saying goes, you made this bed, Mr. Tish, and now you have to lie in it. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.