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The Bill Gates Epstein Related Congressional Transcripts (Part 11) (6/29/26)
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The nearly six-hour congressional interview focused on why Bill Gates continued meeting with Jeffrey Epstein after Epstein's 2008 conviction, what Gates knew about Epstein's conduct, and whether Epstein attempted to gain leverage over him. Gates...
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What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up where he left off with the Bill Gates testimony to Congress. Question Correct. Now, I want to talk a little bit more about this blackmail that I think you characterize these drafts, these emails Epstein sent to himself as potential blackmail. Answer As I see them today, that's, you know, my guess about what he might be thinking about. Question do you think that he was hoping to take a cut of this proposed deal he was offering to Dr. Nicolic? Answer I'm not aware of that. He may have. Question he never did he ever ask you for money directly paid to him, or was it always this discussion of money for Dr. Nicolic? Answer he had one point, kind of a weird email says that I, I. He purports that I said that I was in his debt, but that he said I wasn't in his debt. And the truth is I never said he was in debt, but despite his saying that he didn't think that I was in his debt. In that email, he seems to ask for donations to be made in his name to a variety of entities. So that's along the lines of, hey, I helped you out with this exit and you owe me, even though the email says you don't owe me. Question did you ever make a donation to that entity in Jeffrey Epstein's name? Forum Never in his name. Question did you ever make a donation to any entity that he had asked you to donate to? Yeah, there's an intersection of the list he sent me and an institution that I'd given to literally for decades through my work at Microsoft personally and through the foundation, which is MIT. And I did make a $2 million donation to MIT. Well, I made it. We can get the date overlapping this period that I knew Mr. Epstein. Quote question Was that donation related in any way to Mr. Epstein, or are you saying it's happenstance since you had Already been donating to them. Answer. I'd say the timing was somewhat related. That is, I've given to MIT many times. There's a building there, you know, there's some ongoing medical work, which is absolutely fantastic. But I gave a two million dollar donation without, you know, mentioning Mr. Epstein's name, you know, not related to any program that he was involved in. And so that was. The primary purpose was to help MIT. As a secondary thing, I did tell Mr. Epstein about the donation, hoping that it might factor into his no longer coming to me and asking for donations in his name, which is something I'd been clear I was not going to do. Question. So just to be clear, the donation to MIT was not in response to any blackmail or threats that Mr. Epstein had made? Answer. No. The primary purpose was to get resources to mit, who had always used my gifts in a very effective way. There was a secondary thing that I told Epstein about and hoping that would bring an end to this weird set of emails where he acted like I should make a donation in his name. Mr. Grant. And did MIT ever discuss Jeffrey Epstein with you at any point during the donation process? Gates. No. No. In fact, they did an investigation to make sure that the donation was not Epstein related and found that it was not. Question. And did they talk to you as part of the investigation? Answer yes. Question by Mr. Spector. Question again, I'll try to avoid too much paper, but a representative for you in the Media said that Mr. Gates met with Epstein solely for philanthropic purposes, having failed to repeatedly to draw Mr. Gates beyond these matters. Epstein tried unsuccessfully to leverage a past relationship to threaten Mr. Gates. So let's talk about that last part first. He tried unsuccessfully to leverage a past relationship. Is that the three affairs we've discussed, or is it something else? Dr. Jacobs never came up with Epstein any way, shape or form, so it certainly doesn't refer to that. As I said, during the exit period, there was never an explicit, hey, if you don't do something, I'll reveal this. There was a veiled type of language, hey, we should all want to be friends. And as I've said, I took that on very explicitly and said, look, if you think you're going to get more money out of this, it's not going to happen. And if that means you go out and talk to people about things, I will just bear the pain of that and deal with it. And so I was. I was not blackmailed. But, you know, as you look at the emails, you know, it looks like Mr. Epstein brainstorming and he was going in that direction. Question. And just to be clear, the past relationship that he unsuccessfully tried to leverage, what that refers to is the thinly veiled threats we've already discussed over the course of today's interview. Answer. Relative to the bridge player and the nuclear. Well, at the time, I mean, I wasn't sure what it referred to, but I had to assume that there was some chance that the two affairs that Boris was aware of had communication. Mr. Epstein, question. And just to clarify also the beginning part of that statement, Mr. Gates met with Epstein solely for philanthropic purposes, as we've discussed today. You also met with Mr. Epstein with regard to the dispute with the negotiation with Dr. Nicolic, is that right? Answer. Yeah. And there were dinners where a philanthropic thing would have come up, but wouldn't have necessarily, you know, when Jess Staley or Larry Summers was there, these UN people that I'm meeting for the first time, we would discuss other topics. So the primary topic of the times I spent with Mr. Epstein were my attempt to raise billions for Global Health. There were other things, including Dr. Nikolic's exit, you know, when he comes out in August. I doubt we discuss Global Health at that meeting. I think that was solely focused on this exit question. And just to be clear, the statement says that you solely met with Mr. Epstein for philanthropic purposes. So that's not true then, right? I. It's the correct summary would be to say that the primary reason that I met with him, you know, so if a report is oversimplified, that's a mistake. Question. And again, you've said that you were not blackmailed. And I think maybe what you mean is you were not successfully blackmailed, but it seems like Mr. Epstein was trying to really hard to blackmail you. Answer. If those emails that contained some truth and some false things were ever sent, then we could say that there was an attempt to blackmail. That never happened. You know, I don't know if Dr. Nikolic ever saw those, but I certainly never saw those. Those would have been. Then it would have been hard or been black and white, that that's what they were attempting to do. What actually happened is that they made veiled references. That because of that, you know, I explicitly raised the idea that they're disclosing whatever they knew about me that I would deal with that, and I was going to raise the offer because of my concerns about what might be behind those veiled references. Question. And I think that's correct. When you look back at Majority Exhibit 1, and in the emails that are open discussions between Mr. Epstein and Nikolic about you, you know, in an email they might send to you again, that they ultimately did not. It's more thinly veiled. It only references, as we discussed earlier, sensitive information and a dilemma of trust. And these thinly veiled threats. Is that kind of what you're talking about, that sort of language? Answer. I think you're referring to an email that I'm not copied on Question. You are not copied on the email. That's correct. Answer. Yeah. Moran. Is that the type of statement gets cut off by Gates? That is the type of statement that Epstein made. Spectre. Okay. They go off the record. They come back on question. Good afternoon, Mr. Gates. Good afternoon. When we left during our last round together, we were proceeding through the chronology of your meetings with Mr. Epstein. I'd like to continue doing that if I could. But first, just step back in time to 2011. And this would be your first meeting with Mr. Epstein at his home. In January of 2011, it was reported in Forbes magazine that after visiting Epstein for the first time, you told colleagues in an email the next day that. That Epstein, and I'm quoting from the article lifestyle is very different and kind of intriguing, although it would not work for me. Do you recall telling colleagues that after your initial visit? Yeah, I sent an email to one person saying that question. Who Was that person? Dr. Walker. And what did you mean by different and intriguing? Well, as you said, that was the first time I'd ever met Epstein. And during that dinner meeting, he'd refer to a lot of scientists and an economist that would spend time talking to him. You know, I never followed up to see, you know, particularly given what I know about his credibility now, which of those were real and were not real. But, you know, my first impression was that he took time being kind of different. A lot of different science and economic areas. And, you know, I picked particular areas to focus in software while I was at Microsoft and global health and education at the Foundation. And so, yes, I made the remark that it was. What I'd heard from him was intriguing, but not from me. Question. I appreciate that. And then stepping ahead in time again, back to 2014, just generally. Do you have any recollection of the meetings that you had with Jeffrey Epstein during that year? I know the last two. If we want to go through them all, I should refresh my recollection, I think. Before you do that, I'll show you another exhibit, and this will be exhibit F. This is yet another email setting forth Jeffrey Epstein's schedule from September 2014. It refers to some kind of specific meetings I'd like to ask you about.
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So looking at the first entry at the top of the email from September 8, 2014, there is a notation for 10:00am Meeting with you and Tom Pritzker at the Park Hyatt in New York. Do you recall that meeting? Answer yes, Question okay, what was the purpose of that meeting? Answer well, as we got into late 2013 and 2014 and Epstein was focusing on more of the structure of how these purported donations would be handled, I particularly after the fall of 2013, put a lot more pressure on him to identify specifically, you know, which Wall street or Middle east or other billionaires. Did he really think we're going to make these large donations because, you know, very few people give money to global health. And I, you know, wanted to see if he was stringing me out or it was legitimate. And in response to that he said, oh yeah, there's a bunch. Let me set up some meetings with some of the people who may do this thing. And so this series of meetings on September 5, this is the second to last time that I ever spent with Epstein, but it's the first time that I'm getting concrete that hey, if this is going to Happen here are the people or some of the people. Andy still referred to the Middle east and said, you know, they might be available later, but that didn't amount to anything. So we met with Several people on September 5 in New York City. Question and I'll walk through each of these meetings set forth in the exhibit in more detail. But overall, you know, the first entry, as I noted, refers to a meeting with Tom Pritzker. There's another referring Leon Black, another to Larry Summers, another to Mort Zuckerman, and another with Kathy Rummler. What was your overall assessment at the conclusion of this series of meetings? Were you satisfied that the prospect of securing funding was becoming more concrete or did it still remain nebulous and enchot in your mind? Yeah, to be clear, I never saw Larry Summers on this day. Question, sure, and I'll get to that one. Answer. Okay, Question. But yeah, I appreciate the clarification. Answer no, unfortunately, these were friendly meetings and, you know, I talked about Gavi and Global Fund and lots of things in Global Health where lives are being saved, you know, for less than 2,000 per life. It didn't appear any of these people. The Kathy Rumler meeting is of a different nature, which we can talk about. But she was not a potential giver. The other men that I met that day were presented as potential givers and they were very polite, you know, praising the work I was doing in Global Health. But they clearly none of them was at a point where they were deciding to give large additional sums in general and not to Global Health. They were polite enough to say that, you know, maybe when they get around to doing their full giving plans, they might think about it. But it was a complete disappointment from my point of view, even though it was all very friendly. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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