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The Bill Gates Epstein Related Congressional Transcripts (Part 13) (6/30/26)
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The nearly six-hour congressional interview focused on why Bill Gates continued meeting with Jeffrey Epstein after Epstein's 2008 conviction, what Gates knew about Epstein's conduct, and whether Epstein attempted to gain leverage over him. Gates...
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What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up where we left off with Bill Gates testimony to Congress. Question okay, finally, I'll introduce minority exhibit O. Question could you please identify the individuals in this photo for me? Answer yeah. So the person on the left is me. The person in the middle is Eva Dubin. The person on the right is some friend of Eva Dubin's who I was introduced to, but I don't remember her name. Question. Okay, I'll represent that. That is Corinnea Schuliak. That was Epstein's girlfriend at the time. Was this the occasion that you mentioned earlier when Ms. Dubin came to meet you after a meeting? Answer yes, this is, we believe Gates says in August of 20, is that right? August 20, 2011, 2012. Sorry. Question this is at the Four Seasons, is that correct, Gates? Yes, I believe so. Question and was this gets cut off by Gates after a meeting that they did not attend? Question Was the meeting just you and Mr. Epstein? Answer no. I think Dr. Nikolage was there. Question Was this the only time that you met Ms. Dubin? Answer no. Ms. Dubin, you know, she and her husband Glenn are a member of the Giving Pledge. You know, they have a property in North Salem. That's near where my daughter has a property. I've met Eva Dubin at events several times, including. I already mentioned, she came by after the January 31, 2011, the first dinner I had with Mr. Epstein. Question. Were those two occasions that you were with Ms. Dubin and Mr. Epstein together? That's right. Question. Okay. And that was the only time that I saw her in his presence. Okay. And did you ever meet this other woman, Ms. Schuliac, ever again? Was this the only time? I don't believe so. Okay, that's all redacted. We're going to have some members ask some questions, but before we do, the members who have just entered the room for the first time, can you please identify yourselves for the record? James Walkinshaw, Virginia, 11th district. Maxwell Frost, Florida. 10. Wesley Bell, Missouri. Walkinshaw. Mr. Gates, thank you for being here. And I just want to start by thanking you for. For your philanthropic work and your work on global health, which has saved countless lives. I want to go back. I know there's been some conversation about Melanie Walker. And earlier, I know the exhibit A was introduced the article published in the Wall street journal on June 7 titled the Hidden Figure with close ties to Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein. And on the bottom of page four of that article, it reads, walker has told several people she met Epstein and Trump at the Plaza Hotel in the early 1999. Got it. Okay. Gates. Yeah. Walkinshaw. In the early 90s after graduating with honors from the University of Texas. In a 2018 email introducing a neurosurgeon to Epstein, she wrote, I've known Jeffrey 28 years and this isn't a joke. Donald Trump introduced us. Did Ms. Walker ever discuss with you her connection to Donald Trump? Gates. No. Walkinshaw. Did you ever have any awareness that Epstein and Ms. Walker were introduced to each other by Donald Trump? Had you ever heard that before you saw the article? Gates. I have not. Question. Okay. The article also referenced that Ms. Walker had in her possession potentially embarrassing blue dress emails. On page nine, it describes the back and forth between Walker and Epstein. Apparently, I think referring to you In September of 2017, the article reads, Again, on page nine, Walker provided an inventory of her ammunition. Yes, I have a blue dress email and a few other embarrassing things. And yes, the stories are so eerily similar to all in media that he sounds Weinstein. Like I can't be the only one. Mr. Gates, do you know what the blue dress email that Ms. Walker is referring to? Do you have any sense of what it is, what they are? I think I said earlier the blue dress could be a reference to Monica Lewinsky, but I don't know what a blue dress email would be. Walkinshaw. Okay. And in your opinion, why do you think Ms. Walker would have shared potentially these emails if they exist, with Mr. Epstein? Gates. You know, I don't have an explanation for that. She was in touch with him and saying what she said. I had a cordial, friendly relationship with Dr. Walker both before and after the time of any of these communications. Walkinshaw. Okay, any sense that it may have been part of the Epstein effort to generate leverage or potentially blackmail you, perhaps? Gates. It's possible that Epstein encouraged Dr. Walker to send these emails to him as some part of a possible future either blackmail or attempt to re establish a relationship with me. Remember, this is over three years after I completely cut off the relationship. And, you know, it would be consistent with sort of the strange way he was willing to use some truthful things and some lies to try to develop pressure. But I was never made aware of these exchanges and I was not in contact with Epstein in any way. And all of my conversations with Dr. Walker were friendly in nature towards each other. You know, she'd left the foundation, but I continued to talk to her through 2020. Walkinshaw Based on what? You know, having maybe reviewed what's in the files or some of what's in the files and the reporting around, you know, Epstein's effort, perhaps, to use payments he made to gain leverage over you to achieve the goal perhaps he wanted to achieve. How would you describe, in your opinion, was he working towards an attempt to blackmail you? Based on the evidence that we have and what you know and your own knowledge of him and how he operated, would you use that term? Gates? No, he never sent anything that I would call blackmail. As I've said, he made veiled references to things like, we should all want to be friends. Now that I see the January release of documents, it appears that in many cases, at least in emails, to himself, was sort of rehearsing how either he or he coaching someone might choose to blackmail me. But none of those messages were ever sent to me. You know, I never paid Jeffrey Epstein anything. And so it's a bit speculation, but the different things are quite consistent, that he would encourage others to try to give him leverage over me. But then that never came to pass. Walkinshaw. Okay, because one of the things that I wrestle with, and it's not a question for you, but In July of 2020, the Department of Justice issued an unsigned memo in which they said that they had no evidence of Epstein blackmailing anyone. And certainly true, based on what we know, he wasn't able to blackmail you. But I think that what we have from the files and reporting seems to suggest he was working towards that or hoping to work towards that. Gates. He never blackmailed me. But looking at the emails, it raises a serious possibility and probability that he was contemplating blackmailing me. Yeah. Thank you. That's all I have. Mr. Frost. Thank you. Mr. Gates, why did you choose Jeffrey Epstein specifically to help with your philanthropy? Gates? I didn't really choose him. He's the only one who ever came to me and said that he could raise billions or tens of billions of dollars for global health. And that was credible to me because as I approach people directly about their giving, generally, you know, they're not in the position where they think through retirement, you know, who's going to do giving what they want to give to their children. And the key time when people think that through is when they're doing their will, you know, how much goes to the children. And then for people who are very rich, hopefully they think of a large sum being available for philanthropy. And it was because of his purported relationship with billionaires, or he was part of that tax, and we'll discussion that it seemed credible to me that he might be able to raise or be a referral to help raise billions of dollars for global health. Question. So when you say that he came to you, did he come to you directly or did he connect with you through somebody else? GATES I met him after Dr. Nikolic had met him. And I. So I meet him on January 31, 2011, and when I have a series of meetings with him through 2014. Frost Michael Wolff alleges that Jeffrey Epstein advised you on expansion and restructuring of the Gates Foundation. Did Epstein ever advise you on the Gates Foundation? GATES Never. FROST There's a Forbes article published on April 8, 2026, that's titled what We Know About Bill Gates Connection to Jeffrey Epstein As Billionaire Prepares to Testify. End quote. And it states, quote, wolf alleged that Epstein had been advising Gates on vast expansion and restructuring of the Gates foundation, with Epstein proposing a way to leverage the Gates foundation resources to accommodate many other fortunes from other billionaires. So are you saying that article is false? GATES Completely false. Epstein never mentioned to me the organization of the Gates Foundation. It's not something he would have had knowledge of, so it wouldn't have made any Sense. Frost Between 2013 and 2019, the Gates foundation was provided 8 million in grants to the International Peace Institute. Was Epstein involved in those funds at all? GATES the only connection between Epstein and that grantee, who did very important work for us in polio eradication campaign, was that I was in Stroudsburg and Epstein was there at the same time. On that day, the chairman of IPI made a presentation to me. We can pull up what day it is. And it was subsequent to that day that the polio team investigated whether IPI could provide valuable help. Yes. Stroudsburg, March 27, 2013 and the foundation developed a relationship working with IPI that extended until. I think it's ongoing as far as I know. And that work has been helpful. But other than that one time, I wasn't aware of Epstein having any connection. Now that we see the emails that have come out. Epstein was exchanging emails with the chairman of IPI on a number of occasions, but I wasn't aware of any connection to Epstein other than that first introduction. Mr. Frost Vanity Fair reported that IPI staff included Epstein on updates about his work with the Gates foundation, including intelligence about Pakistani Taliban polio outbreaks and the existence of chemical weapons in Syria. Why was Epstein privy to that information? Gates really doesn't make sense to me. But the chairman of ipi, Terry Rod Larson, forwarded a number of emails to Epstein. I only know that now because we see that in the January release of emails. And, you know, the doing polio eradication in Pakistan and Afghanistan is very complex. IPI has some very good people who helped us there, and Epstein would have had no expertise in that. So I don't understand why the chairman of the of IPI forwarded those emails. Mr. Frost, thank you. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.