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The Bill Gates Epstein Related Congressional Transcripts (Part 15) (7/1/26)
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The nearly six-hour congressional interview focused on why Bill Gates continued meeting with Jeffrey Epstein after Epstein's 2008 conviction, what Gates knew about Epstein's conduct, and whether Epstein attempted to gain leverage over him. Gates...
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What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up where we left off with the Bill Gates testimony that he gave to Congress. Asking the questions now is Ms. Randall. Thank you, Mr. Gates. I'm Emily Randall from Washington. Sixth, I appreciate you being here and answering our questions. And I want to follow up a little bit on a question that ranking member Robert Garcia asked to begin with about who the men were in Epstein's orbit that you may have seen or engaged with at any of these meetings. And you said, you know, that you didn't see anyone engaging in illegal or illicit activities and you didn't want to cast aspersions of any of these men, which I understand. But I think some of what we've seen in our investigative work and in our conversations and in the files is that, you know, it became very easy for a lot of people to say that they didn't see anything. And that's part of how he continued to have such a long history of abuse. And so I just want to ask you if there are any other names or people that you haven't mentioned yet. You mentioned Dr. Nikolich, Larry Summers, Jeff Staley, Leon Black, Josh Harris, Mark Zuckerberg, Tom Pritzker, were the other men that were involved, maybe not necessarily men that he was trying to introduce into the Global Health Network, but folks in any of these meetings that we should ask follow up questions on, not saying that you're accusing them of anything, but to make sure that we're uncovering every stone in this work to find transparency and justice. Gates? Yeah, I believe that today I mentioned the name of every single individual who was in a meeting with myself and Epstein. And you know, beyond that, you know, all these emails released in January have other names in there. I don't bring any personal knowledge to that. But you know, I'm here to help in any way I can. I can't think of anyone whose name I haven't mentioned that I knew had some relationship with Epstein. Ms. Randall, thank you. And you know, Ms. Stansberry asked about the woman, young woman who worked for Mr. Epstein. And we've established that some of these women who were employed by him were also being trafficked and abused. Whether, you know, though he may not have been your knowledge at the time, I understand. I do want to ask because of my conversation with some survivors who are underage with, they were pulled into Mr. Epstein's world. They have relayed to us that no one ever Mr. Epstein knew how old they Were. But you know, no one in the room at parties, at events, at meetings, ever asked how old they were. They assumed they were adults because they look like adults. A 17 year old young woman, you know, is not always spottable as a 17 year old young woman. Just thinking about any woman who were at any of these meetings, who were working at Mr. Epstein's home, who were engaged in any coordination. Can you think of, you know, any young woman who we should talk to? Mr. Gates? No. The only thing I did with Epstein that was of casual entertainment nature was when he had David Blaine come over after we had a dinner meeting. And as I've said, as you've seen in the photographs, there were two of the women around Epstein who were standing around during the David Blaine performance. But you know, you've heard from everything I know about the women around Epstein and I'm sorry to hear that some of them were victims. Randall, thank you so much for your answers and joining us. Mr. Gates. Next question by redacted question Mr. Gates, did you ever meet Ghislaine Maxwell? I met her one time. I was at a hotel restaurant and she and Ted Waite were there and that was the one time I was introduced to her. Question 1 was that? Answer It's a good question. She clearly had left time with Epstein and was with Ted Wade. Ted Wade is someone I knew fairly well because he created a company called Gateway that was in personal computer business. But you know, it was just a few minute introduction because we happened to be in the same place, but other than that, I never met her. Question and that was simply an introduction rather than a substantive conversation. Answer Not a substantive conversation, no. Question and was this during the period of your relationship with Jeffrey Epstein or after? Answer no, I think it was after, but we would have to dig out the date. Question and did Ms. Maxwell ever come up in conversations with Jeffrey Epstein? Answer Never. Question did she ever come up in conversations with Melanie Walker? Answer Never. Question okay. Mr. Gates, a few minutes ago, in response to Mr. Krishnamoorthy's questions, you mentioned there were two Skype calls, is that right? Answer two question Skype calls. Answer Right. Question. And I think we discussed one earlier which occurred on February 27, 2014, is that right? Well, we inadvertently discussed it. Sure. Because there was a question about February 27, 2013 thing, and I accidentally saw February 27 and said, oh, that meeting was a Skype call. The February 27, 2013 meeting is in person meeting in New York and the February 27, 2013 meeting is a Skype call. Question Understood. And when was the second Skype call? Answer. The second Skype call is May 21, 2014. Question and what was the purpose of that call? Answer. You know, everything in this time frame is focusing on who are these donors? Is this going to be real? And so right after the second Skype call is when he suggests the names of people that we would end up meeting in September, which is the second to last meeting I had with Epstein. Question. And do you recall the exact discussions of that call with Mr. Epstein? Answer. I do not. Question. Was anyone else on that call? Larry Cohen may have come for some part of the call. They go off the record. They're back on Gates. Yeah. My no. Cho. Larry. As being on the first of the two Skype calls, but not on the second call. Question. Not on the second one. And I have in my notes and I could have this incorrect, but I believe you testified earlier that it was the first Skype call was just you and Mr. Epstein. That's not true. No. The first Skype call, Larry Cohen is part of that. Question. Understood. And who was on the second Skype call? Answer. It looks like just myself and Epstein. Question. Just you and Epstein. Okay. Why was this conducted over Skype? Answer. Because we weren't in the same physical location. Question why the Skype platform? Answer. Microsoft owns Skype. Question. Did you suggest Skype? Answer. I mean, I'm capable of using probably seven, several different video calling platforms. I don't think there's any unique feature of Skype that caused it to be used. You know, subsequently, I've shifted 90% of my use to Teams and perhaps 10% to Zoom. So this may have. Indeed, the second meeting may have been my final Skype call. Question. Understood. And I guess the reason that I'm asking is because Jeffrey Epstein does have a demonstrated history of using Skype. And so my question to you is, did he recommend that this meeting be conducted on Skype? Answer. I don't know. Question. Okay, Mr. Redacted. We can go off record. Question. We can go back on record. Mr. Gates, we briefly discussed your relationship or your one interaction that you recall with Ghisne Maxwell during the last hour. Just to be clear, that's the only interaction with her that you recall? Answer. The only time I ever met her. Yeah. Question she did tell the Department of Justice in an interview that she did with them last summer that she met you, it sounds like briefly, at a TED conference. Do you have any recollection of that? Yeah, there was a TED dinner with about 40 or 50 people, and she Was an attendee there? I don't know if I shook her hand and I didn't have a conversation with her. Question. But do you recall that she was there in general? I think she attended a dinner around the TED conference, yes. Do you recall any other. I'll call them interactions, but any other times you were in the same place as Glenn Maxwell, other than the meeting with Ted Waite? The brief meeting with Ted Waite and this very brief meeting at a dinner at a TED conference? As I say, on the TED thing, I don't know that I shook her hand. I'm not sure, but I didn't have a conversation with her other than those two times. No, I never met her. Mr. Emmer is asking questions now. Mr. Gates, we're at a point in our questioning where, unfortunately, I do have to make you repeat yourself just to make sure that the record is crystal clear. During the first hour, I believe you had mentioned that at some point you were invited to Mr. Epstein's island. Is that right? Yes. Several times he had issued an invitation. And approximately when were you extended those invites? We can dig through the emails. I don't know the timing. And he himself directly invited you, is that right? That's right. And you rejected those invites? That's correct. Question. Right. And as far as his other properties go, you've testified numerous times to have had dinners at his Manhattan townhouse, is that right? That's right. Have you ever visited his Paris apartment? Yeah, I talked about that one meeting I had there. What. What about Zorro Ranch in New Mexico? Never went there. How about the Palm beach home? Never went there. Any other properties owned by Mr. Epstein? No. It was, as you said, several meetings at his New York residence and the one meeting in Paris, and then the one time we flew together on a plane from New York to Palm Beach. Question. So let's talk briefly about the Manhattan townhelm. Did you notice anything unusual during your visits there? Answer. Well, I never went above the first floor. You know, there's kind of a fancy door, and then you go up some stairs, and to the left is a room where we had dinner and most of the meetings. And then to the right is a large area I think he called his office area. And then there's a bathroom on that floor. And that's what I remember about the residence. Question. And there's been allegations that Epstein had cameras that he would use to blackmail visitors. Did you notice any cameras when you visited? I did not. During the committee's review of documents produced by the estate, as well as Photos that had been released as part of the Epstein Files Transparency Act. This is my own characterization, but it seems that Mr. Epstein had an unusual, creepy taste in artwork. Did you notice any unusual, weird artwork when you visited the home? I know there was one thing he had that was a bit strange. Was it, like, Bill Clinton in a dress? That was one thing. That it was Bill Clinton in a dress, I think, which I think fits your description. Did you ask him about that specific portrait? I did not. And to be clear, did you notice any nude photos displayed at his property? No. I mean, the only two properties I ever saw were New York and the Paris one. And I didn't see any nude photos in either location. Question. And back to the photo of Bill Clinton. Where was that? I don't think it was a photo, honestly. Question. Or the painting. Excuse me? Yeah, the artwork that was on the wall inside his office. Now, you mentioned that you visited the property in Paris as well. Did you notice anything unusual when you visited the property? I did not. A couple of weeks ago, the committee interviewed Sarah Kellen, a survivor, and mentioned that Mr. Epstein had a painting or a photo of or a naked photo of her displayed at the property. You didn't see a photo of Ms. Kellen, is that right? Answer. No. You know, I don't know the extent of that property. We went into this room or we sat in. The excess food was brought to us there, but we didn't go to other rooms. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.