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The Bill Gates Epstein Related Congressional Transcripts (Part 7) (6/27/26)
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The nearly six-hour congressional interview focused on why Bill Gates continued meeting with Jeffrey Epstein after Epstein's 2008 conviction, what Gates knew about Epstein's conduct, and whether Epstein attempted to gain leverage over him. Gates...
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What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up where we left off with the Bill Gates interview with Congress. Mr. Garcia, what about employees of Epstein? So not necessarily, you know, men or individuals that were in the public limelight or that had broad reputations, but what about employees or people around Epstein that work for him or their was a perception that they work for him? That wouldn't be that if you had to make a judgment would be important for us to speak with. Who would you recommend us to speak with? Gates. Yeah. I was never introduced to any employee of Epstein. As I've said, they were there to open the door. One of the people stayed for the David Blaine magic trick. There were two admin assistants who were on the plane flight in. Almost every time I saw Epstein, he had either one or two what appeared to be admin assistants with him. They were all women. They appeared to be adult women. We can go through the various times he had me take photos with these people, but I was never introduced to them, so I wouldn't have a lot of insight to which ones might help the committee. Garcia, thank you. And Mr. Gates, I know that you've said, and I just want to quote, to be clear, I never spent any time with victims with women around them. I know that you have said that, have been quoted as saying that, but are you aware that many of Epstein's assistants who were around were actually victimized? Gates? Yeah, that's a very good point. I never spent time with any woman who I was aware were victims. And so that's why I have enumerated very carefully when I've ever saw any of those admin assistants because tragically, as you say, it Appears in the press now that some of those women were indeed victims. Oh, please, now stop. We knew this. And if I knew it, Bill Gates knew it. Okay, now, I appreciate the clarification. I think that's an important one to make. And then just lastly, I know that you said earlier that you felt your association with Epstein was a huge mistake. Just to expand on that for the record, can you expand on what you mean exactly by that? What was the mistake? Gates? Yeah, I hope I capture all the ways that it was a mistake. It was a mistake to spend time with him because in the end, it led to nothing. You know, I'm still not sure to this day if he sincerely thought that, in fact, billions would appear that would be dedicated to global health. I think so, because, you know, there were meetings talking about literally the structure of donor advised funds and what might be attractive to donors. But it was a mistake because it was a dead end. It was a mistake because of his prior conviction. It's even more of a mistake when I read in 2018 that that basically he had not served an appropriate penalty for those things that he had done. And then even more so as I read that even after 2009, perhaps even during the time 2011 to 2014 when I was meeting with him, that there were ongoing crimes. And so you can say. It's easy to say now, but let me tell you, this is one of the larger mistakes I've made was a risk to my reputation and the reputation of the foundation by engaging in these meetings. Mr. Garcia, Mr. Khanna. Ro Khanna. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Gates, for being here. Did Jeffrey Epstein use Dr. Melanie Walker to get access to you? Gates? No question. Did Epstein use Walker to reach her foundation advisors or other powerful people around you? Gates? I'm sorry, say again. Did epstein use Dr. Walker to reach your foundation advisors or other people around you? Gates? Well, Dr. Walker was an employee of the Gates foundation doing work there for, I think, something like three years. And then she went to work at the World bank, and then she did some consulting for my private office. But, you know, that's what I knew that she was engaged in. Kana, did Epstein ever receive information about you through her? Gates? It appears, reading the emails, the answer to that is yes. But I had no awareness of it at the time. Dr. Walker told you that Epstein was very discreet. And the world's most gorgeous people hang around Epstein. He was already a convicted sex offender at the time. Why did you continue to maintain a relationship with him? Gates? Well, as I've said, I Felt that working with Epstein in the limited role which I was clear to him, that is simply being referring me to people who would give, never contemplating and being explicit that he would have no role and that he would not be compensated. I made the mistake in judgment that continuing to spend time with him to try to raise that money for Global Health was a valuable use of my time. Well, where would you have gotten the money? From him directly or Gates? No, no, not from him directly. Rather, when somebody is, you know, thinking about their will and their taxes, you know, that's when they really think, okay, I have, particularly people of great wealth that I have money that's left over that perhaps I should give philanthropically. And so I believed. And he represented that with a number of billionaires, including Wall street billionaires and Middle east billionaires. He had the type of relationships where there was somebody staking out their overall estate plan. And I believe that was the case where literally billions. And he specifically said this to me, which of course, ended up not happening, but he said that we could raise billions. Two more quick questions, because my time is about out. Given what we've seen, the behavior of what I call the Epstein class and all these billionaires, would you at least be for a 5% tax on these billionaires to deal with wealth in inequality? Could you at least say you're open to something like that? See, this is what I mean. There's no place for that in this hearing. Why does Ro Khanna have to bring that up now? Look, it's a valid argument, not the right forum. That question should have been used to get us further to the truth when it comes to Epstein. Mr. Gates. Well, I certainly believe that the US has to find a way of taxing very rich people at a far higher level than they do today. You know, I probably paid more in taxes than anyone. I paid over 14 billion. I think it's unfortunate that the current taxation vehicles don't raise money from people of great wealth, including people like myself. My last question is, did Mr. Epstein ever introduce you to any young women or girls? Gates? Never. Kana. Thank you, Garcia. Congressman Lynch. Mr. Lynch, thank you. Mr. Gates, earlier, Democratic counsel asked you if you recalled an email that you received that was sent to you by Melanie Walker that warned you about Mr. Epstein. You did not recall that. And you asked if there might be a specific date. I looked it up, and it's August 14th. I'm sorry, August of 2014. Walker sent you? Appeared to be a warning, and it said that you should maintain a healthy distance from anything of a personal nature when dealing with Epstein. Do you recall that now? Gates? No. If you have a copy of the email, I'd be glad to see it. Yeah, okay. Alright. No Gates, but let me comment on that. I did maintain some distance from Epstein. It was a mistake to meet him. And by August 2014, you know, this is a month before he finally does. Name specific people who we meet with in September and none of those appear to be prospects. Then there's one further meeting in December and then I cut off all ties with Epstein at that point. Mr. Lynch, I understand that, but from the very beginning of your relationship, he was a registered sex offender. Gates. I didn't know he was a registered sex offender. I didn't know that he had been guilty of sexually related crimes. Lynch. Well, let me just go back to Melanie Walker. Melanie Walker really worked her staff pretty hard in terms of pushing Jeffrey Epstein. And in one email to you, she described him as her best friend. Also, Melanie Walker really pumped Epstein with Dr. Nikolic and also Larry Cohen. She went to Alex Friedman pushing Jeffrey Epstein. Also established a relationship with Prince Andrew as well. You know, sort of following up with Mr. Khana's questions, I saw her as someone who really pushed Epstein into your orbit and actually made those connections. And you know, when you were asked who you thought might have shared information about your infidelity, I thought of her. I didn't think of Dr. Nikolic because it was consistent. She was an accolade of Epstein from the very beginning, giving him credit for suggesting she go to medical school. Could you talk a little bit about your relationship with Ms. Walker and. Because I think in response to the ranking member's question, and I think she might be someone that this committee might want to talk to. Gates. Yeah. During the time I Knew Epstein Between 2011 and 2014, the only time her name came up with Epstein was at the first dinner. He mentioned that he knew her and subsequently all meetings over the rest of the years, her name did not come up in terms of her. She did send me an email after the first dinner that asking about my impressions, which I responded to. Lynch. Did she ever tell you that she was his science advisor or that she had lived in his buildings? Gates. I wasn't aware of that, but I do believe that's now publicly known. Lynch. Yeah, I'm just curious about. Okay, all right, that's all I've got. Thank you. Next up, Ms. Stansberry. All right. Good morning. Hi. Melanie Stansbury. I represent New Mexico's 1st congressional district. And, and I appreciate you being here today, what I'd like to focus on during my time this morning is really to understand a little bit more about Mr. Epstein's world as you understood it because I think it'll help us cut through some of the noise.
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varies by location, especially a truth commission that we're conducting in New Mexico to understand what he was doing there and what his interests were and how that allowed him to access and abuse women. So you're one of the few people we've been able to talk to about what Epstein was scientifically through your conversations with them, through these meetings that you had during that time. What was Epstein interested in in the science world? GATES we never got into any depth on that, but he mentioned a number of people, you know, professors at universities that he would talk to about varying scientific things. You know some of those names are and I knew them he appeared to be someone who knew who would talk to lots of people in different fields. You know that's different than my own approach, which is to pick software and be very focused and now global health. STANSBERRY Let me reframe the question a little bit. You met with him on multiple times to discuss the opportunities for philanthropy and investment in scientific endeavors as well as global health. GATES no question. STANSBERRY that's not what you said. Answer all the entire focus was raising money for global health. Now work for global health can include creating new vaccines or things that the scientific component to them. STANSBERRY okay, so excuse me for using more plain language as opposed to focused language. What was the nature of those conversations? What were the topics that he was interested in? GATES you know, he had thoughts about economics, he had thoughts about psychology, you know, various men, macroeconomic things. STANSBERRY Were specific investment opportunities discussed? GATES no, never. I was never a co investor with Epstein. The focus was philanthropic money. STANSBERRY okay, I think we're talking around the same thing. So philanthropic money to invest in what? GATES Global health. STANSBERRY but what specifically in Gates Epstein wasn't knowledgeable about global health. So the Gates foundation, which is deeply involved in global health, you know, when there's additional money coming from philanthropists were able to provide advice and make sure that the money was very high impact. But none of that specifically was discussed. The idea of where it would go wasn't discussed with Epstein. Stansberry oh, okay. So the nature of those conversations was more Pitchingen and his associates on getting wealthy donors to invest in your ventures. GATES if money had been forthcoming, it would have gone to things like the Global alliance for Vaccines, which buy vaccines for children or the Global Fund. Stansberry Cuts him off. You were essentially pitching him to invest. Gates I didn't pitch him. He told me that he had close professional relationships with people who at the time they were deciding what to do with their wealth was a context where he could suggest to them that the money could have a very powerful effect if it was dedicated to global health. Stansberry okay, so your motivation in attending these meetings is you saw an opportunity to potentially bring other donors into the bringing their wealth to invest in your ventures. Is that a fair assessment? Gates not invest to give money away. And they're not my ventures. Gavi is an independent organization. Global Fund is an independent organization. STANSBERRY I'm using the word investor gets cut off by Bill Gates. Okay, I'm sorry to be picky. Stansberry Two philanthropic givers. Gates Good point. Stansberry to be donors to your philanthropic endeavors. Okay. Gates well, again, this may be picky, but they're not mine. You know, the Gates foundation gets cut off by Sansberry I got you. I got you. Okay. This is why you're a tech person. You're very precise. I'm using imprecise and non technical language. So you've already established this morning that you were familiar with the fact that he had been convicted of a sexual crime. You've already established this morning that you were familiar with Mr. Epstein and that he had a reputation and you were concerned about it because you've already said you didn't want to be seen with them in a place that might affect your reputation. So I think that what many of us don't understand lies. Why did people like you continue to associate with him? Like, why did your interest in accessing donors that he might have known override your own moral compass of like, maybe I shouldn't associate with this convicted sex offender. I know you feel bad about it, but tell us like what went through your head where you're like, okay, yeah, I'll go have six meetings with them over the years? GATES well, certainly, you know, I'd met with people who had been convicted of crimes and served their time. And my understanding, I did not understand that justice had not been done. It was a mistake to meet with him. I did feel at the time that by narrowly defining his role as simply referring us to people who would give philanthropically to Global Health, that he would have no role in those things and he would receive no compensation. I justified that getting billions of dollars for Global Health was worth spending time with him. And that was a complete dead end. STANSBERRY and so in your mind, the end justified the means? GATES no, I think that goes too strongly. But during the whole time 2011 to 2014, there was, you know, constant consideration of, okay, let's make sure it's a narrow roll. And the people would discuss, you know, if this is going to come through or not, should we still engage or not. That was a consideration, and I made the final judgment to keep meeting with them, which was a mistake. STANSBERRY Let me just say, as we close things out, and I know that there's other questions, you keep referring to the women that you did interact with in his orbit as being adult women. We've interviewed a number of his assistants, including one of his assistants who worked for Epstein as an adult woman who was raped and sexually assaulted during her time. And so Epstein didn't just commit crimes against children, he was committing active crimes against these admin assistants that you met. And so when you said multiple times this morning you did not meet victims, you you did not see women that he may have, we do not believe that is so. We believe that this was completely normalized in his world as he was interacting with rich and powerful people. And so I hope that you can reframe that you may have actually witnessed abuse by these women being in his world, even if you did not witness the acts of abuse. GATES Are you saying I didn't? I never witnessed any abuse. STANSBERRY okay, sir, we know that his assistants were being abused actively by him. GATES I'm very sorry to hear that. STANSBERRY yes, so thank you, CROCKETT for purpose of the record, Jasmine Crockett, Texas. Garcia, I think we're probably out of town time now, so we can wrap it up. We'll go off the record. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here, too. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.