The Captain Of Security Operations At MCC And His OIG Deposition (Part 10) (6/3/26)

Summary

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The Epstein Chronicles

Episode: The Captain Of Security Operations At MCC And His OIG Deposition (Part 10)

Host: Bobby Capucci
Date: June 3, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, host Bobby Capucci continues his in-depth coverage of the OIG (Office of the Inspector General) deposition with an unnamed Captain of Security Operations at the Metropolitan Correctional Center (MCC). The focus is on the dysfunctional procedures, oversight failures, and breakdowns in protocol that occurred within the MCC’s Special Housing Unit (SHU) around the time of Jeffrey Epstein’s death. Specifically, they analyze cell assignment issues, count discrepancies, staff responsibilities, and implications of failing to follow procedure — all coming from the vantage of internal operations and first-hand testimony.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Breakdown in Cellmate Protocol

(00:54–03:14)

• The importance of properly assigning a cellmate to Epstein upon his return from attorney visits is highlighted.
• Identification of where communication broke down, particularly between officers and operations lieutenants.
• Confusion over who should have been notified and at what time, especially concerning the removal of Epstein’s cellmate, Reyes.

“They knew the expectation. So that means if you know that at 1:50 he wasn't coming back, that means you should have got on the phone and contacted the operations lieutenant.”
— Interviewee/Correctional Officer (01:01)

2. Count Discrepancies and Procedures

(03:14–09:11)

• Examination of the inmate count process, with multiple references to when and how counts were conducted and cleared.
• Outlines the steps taken when a count is off (bad count) and expectations for supervisory involvement.
• Notes that accountability of inmates is paramount, and being off by even one is considered a critical error.

“Those are the big things right there. If your account is bad, because that's what we get paid to do — accountability of inmates in a correctional setting.”
— Correctional Officer (05:19)

• Discusses the laborious process of recounting: physical identification, use of bed books, verifying face-to-name, and proper logging of recounts.
• Uncovers the manipulation or mishandling of numbers:

“Somebody was in there messing around with numbers in order for the count to clear.”
— Interviewer/Host (07:01)

• SENTRY and control center processes for tracking inmate movement are called into question; staff entering data into the system were often careless or negligent.
• All records for the period in question are described as faulty:

“They're all bad. ... All bogus.”
— Correctional Officer (09:14)

3. Operational Failures, Notifications, and Oversight

(10:21–12:09)

• Describes standard protocol for when an inmate is likely to be discharged or transferred: property retrieval, inventory, and official logging.
• Emphasizes that all entries into the SHU must be logged and escorted by correctional staff.
• Failure to notify key personnel (especially about Reyes’s removal) resulted in a lack of oversight over Epstein’s housing status.
• Correctional Officer states he was not informed Reyes’s property had been removed, preventing preventative actions.

4. Responses, Hypotheticals, and Missed Safeguards

(12:09–13:17)

• Correctional Officer indicates that if he had known Epstein was without a cellmate, he would have acted differently, potentially keeping Epstein under constant supervision in the attorney conference room, not putting him on psychological observation.
• Would have used overtime to ensure a staff member watched Epstein if needed.

“I'll pay you overtime to sit on this guy until I got him. Would have kept him in attorney conference right there until I got him a cellmate. I wouldn't have had to put him on psych.”
— Correctional Officer (12:52)

• Reflects on the multiple points at which chain-of-command should have intervened or notified supervisors — none did.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “An inmate died, your count being off or an inmate escaping. Those are the big things right there. If your account is bad... that's what we get paid to do.”
  — Correctional Officer (05:19)

• “Somebody was in there messing around with numbers in order for the count to clear.”
  — Interviewer/Host (07:01)

• “All records for the period in question are described as faulty: ‘They're all bad. ... All bogus.’”
  — Correctional Officer (09:14)

• “If I would have already between those hours...I would say keep him in attorney conference because guess what? I've got a staff member right there.”
  — Correctional Officer (12:29)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:54 – Introduction of the cellmate assignment issue post-attorney visit
• 03:14 – Deep dive into count discrepancies and correctional process for recounts
• 05:17 – Discussion of critical errors in correctional environments
• 07:01 – Discovery of number manipulation for count clearing
• 09:11 – All count records described as “bad” and “bogus”
• 10:21 – Procedures for inmate property and staff notifications
• 12:09 – Correctional Officer’s hypothetical safer protocol if properly informed
• 12:46–13:17 – Emphasis on actionable steps left untaken due to missed notifications

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Episode Tone

The episode is methodical, pragmatic, and heavily focused on facts and protocol. Bobby Capucci maintains a direct and persistent questioning approach, reflective of his no-nonsense, investigative style.

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Summary Conclusion

This episode underscores systemic dysfunction, communication failures, and lapses in procedure at MCC, all of which contributed to the circumstances surrounding Jeffrey Epstein’s incarceration and subsequent death. The firsthand testimony from the Captain of Security Operations paints a picture of chaotic, sometimes negligent internal processes — namely, in assignment, counting, and notification — and a culture that failed to follow even its most basic safety and accountability protocols. The discussion highlights how several simple, expected actions could have made a major difference, bringing further scrutiny and skepticism to the official narrative.

Transcript

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[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode we're going to pick

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

up where we left off with the

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

unnamed co captain of securities at MCC and his interview with the OIJ investigators. Question now if redacted told officer Redacted and redacted and Joyner that inmate Reyes wasn't going wab and that Epstein would need to be assigned a cellmate. Upon arrival from his attorney visit, Reyes has to communicate where who dropped the ball and at that at what point. Answer okay, I mean for the sake of time that we talked about before is that means they would notify me that he needed a cellmate. They knew. They knew the expectation. So that means if you know that at 1:50 he wasn't coming back, that means you should have got on the phone and contacted the operations lieutenant. Question and we discussed this and this

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

is where we talked about if they did do that they let redacted know

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

redacted's the one who dropped the ball. Answer yeah. Question the next people that would have done it would have been at the 4pm the 10pm Type account. They should have then notified the operations lieutenant at the same time.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

Correct?

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

All right. And what you're saying though is I think what you said is during the morning shift with zero dark hundred to 8am or I think it was 8am right? Answer yes sir. Question it's 8am they wouldn't have known Answer they wouldn't have known question Right. Because they because if the counts weren't done at 4 and at 10 they would wouldn't have necessarily known. Answer they wouldn't necessarily know. Question but what about like if they had a conversation at like 12am with the ops lieutenant about the fact that the counts are off redo or was it 10pm the midnight one was the one where the count is he gets

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

cut off by the guard if you look at yeah.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

The count. So if you go 8, 9. We're going 8, 10 now. And she worked 10pm and she worked from 4pm through. Answer. So she wasn't indiscernible. So this is it right here. So we're talking about 8, 10, 20, 19. That's going to be. So this E1 will was generated at 03517 hours. Question on August 10th. On August 10th. And this shows that there are 72 inmates in the shoe. Can you look at the counts for the day?

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

It's the very last page or it could be second to last.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

So I'm assuming you're looking for za and then if you could just circle za so we know what we're looking at. Question what is the count on that? It appears it says the count on that day is 73. Question. And that cleared count was 72.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

Correct? That is correct.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Question do you want to follow up another question from a different guard? If there was a mistake with the count and the lieutenant caught on to

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

the mistake, what was he gets cut off by the other guard and the quota was the protocol.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Answer yeah, all right, this is what happened. So if officers I count, I count the unit and. And they say 73, the control center would have been like no bad count. They're not going to tell you what you counted, they're going to make you count again. So the procedure is once that bad count has been made, notified the control center notifies the lieutenant and the lieutenant's

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

supposed to go up to the unit

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

to observe the count. Question. Alright, so the ops lieutenant in this case should have gone, went to the shoe to observe the count. So if there's a bad count, that's the protocol. That's right, that's the policy.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

So you go upstairs.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Well, I'm sorry, that's the expectation. So expectation, not policy. I'm not going to sit up here and quote policy when I don't know it verbatim. Absolutely.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

But I will tell you, the expectation

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

is that the supervisor, correctional services, a lieutenant on an announcement of a bad count will go to the area of the count and we'll observe the said count. Question what if the supervisor claims when they called in the count and said 73, they said hey, we're calling in 73, but we know we're off by one. Does that make any sense? Answer that doesn't. That means the institution count is going

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

to be bad, which that is the

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

worst thing that you can have happened besides the inmate. It's three things. An inmate died, your count being off or an inmate escaping. Those are the big things right there. If your account is bad, because that's

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

what we get paid to do, where

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

the masters of count, that's what we do. Accountability of inmates in a correctional setting.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

That's what you do, that's what you're paid for.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

So you call me as a lieutenant and you tell me, hey lt, we keep counting the unit and the unit and the count's bad. So the next thing I'm going to tell you, give me some staff up there, I want a stand up bed book. So then I'm going to identify each inmate by their face, their cell assignment to get the count question.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

So what if they say we're off

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

by one, but we know where that one is, that one's over here. And then the lieutenant responds, alright, I'm going to verify where that one staff is. You redo the count. Would that make sense? Answer no. What I'm telling you is when it was supposed to have been done. Question. So even if they said like hey,

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

we wrote down 73, but that.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

So let's say Thomas, who's not a typical shoe guy, he's the one that calls this in. He says, I wrote down 73 on the count slip. But that's because one of our guys that we're counting for is, let's say rd. And then the lieutenant then says, I'm going to verify that that person is there. You reconduct the count and create a new count slip. Answer. Okay, so it was one RA, I believe that's R&D.RA I believe is R and D. Right? No.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

So R and D. There was nobody

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

in R and D. There's no one in R and D. So the policy is lieutenant is on there. So the policy is the lieutenant is on there. I'm going to watch you do it. And so that's the second count. The third count is the standing bed book count that I use the bed

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

book cards and I go cell by

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

cell and I make the inmates say their name and number and I physically identify them by their face. If that don't work, all this stuff is supposed to be annotated in the log. The bad count one bad count two shoe reports bad count three bad book count was identified. The next thing would have been was to go back through the prior counts to see of the movement of who was in or out. Because if your count cleared here at 10, you only had one out of the unit, which was Epstein when he came back. That means your count should have went from if it was 72 here, that's telling me that it must have been 71 at boom. So it was 76. It was 76. Then the 10pm Count, the 9:30 count it was 73. So where did those inmates go? Where did those inmates go? So somebody was in there making messing around with numbers in order for the count to clear. Question in order to find out where they went. Is it we have to go into truscope? Is that where we could find out? You would go into true. Most sentry is supposed to be foolproof.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

All proof.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

But it's only as good as the people that put the information in there. Question and are the shoe people that are putting the information in? Is it the control center? So this is what happens in theory. You've got when inmates come back from court and they do the transfer order and it goes down to control. R and D is supposed to update those inmates coming back in. Control center gets the transfer order and they're verifying. Anytime an internal movement is done inside of a unit like shu, the OIC

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

is supposed to do it.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

If a case manager and unit manager or or a counselor moves the inmate on the unit, guess what? They're supposed to make that Sentry Indiscernible PP34 transaction in Sentry to make the appropriate move. Question so looking at these, do you believe that they're all bad?

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

They're all bad.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Question all of them. Answer they're all bad.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

All bogus. Alright.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

So 4pm through gets cut off by the guard, the control center, R and D. It's bad. Now the other investigator jumps in. Just a clarifying question. Can a person do a count? Let's just say that someone is in a different unit. Can they say oh I know the person is out of the unit and I'm going to count them as part of the unit and just give the account number.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

Are they allowed to do that? Do they have to physically have to

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

get eyes on them? No. Question. So it's only who the amount of inmates that are in the unit at that time. Answer correct.

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[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

question. All right, let's keep going on this.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

Thank you for that. That's hugely helpful.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

So, inmate cellmates removed for various reasons, including but not limited to an incident in the cell. Visits to court, legal library, medical and recreation. On Friday, Aug. 9, 2019, Epstein's cellmate Reyes had court. It would not be uncommon for Reyes to be out of his cell for an extended period. Epstein had an attorney session that day. Epstein's attorney was processed into the facility in the morning and Epstein was brought down to the attorney room. And you said that was pretty much

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

seven days a week with Epstein redacted.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Was not notified that Reyes was released from court. And again, on that note, would have been the ops lieutenant that would have been responsible to tell you. For instance, if someone heard yes, if you would recall, he should have because he know he knew the expectation. So by our previous conversation, they knew the expectation, but again, they chose not

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

to follow the playbook question. Okay.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Typically, if an inmate is likely to be discharged or transferred following court, their property was retrieved from their cell, boxed and secured with a property form by receiving and discharged staff. All items are normally accounted for and inventoried in order to enter the shoe. All. All staff not assigned there must identify themselves in assign logbook and then be physically escorted by a correctional officer. Alternatively, the staff can pick up inmate property at the unit door. A correctional officer assigned to the SHU would have been aware that Reyes or any inmate's belongings were removed. At this time. The correctional officer should notify a lieutenant who would in turn brief. Redacted.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

Redacted.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Was not notified that Reyes belongings were removed.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

Redacted.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

Advised that if he had known that Epstein was without a cellmate, he would have likely put Epstein on psychological observation. But now you're saying you probably would have put him off.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

He gets cut off by the guard.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

I would not have put him on psychops because I can. Question. Right. You would have put him in fox answer. I probably would have put him if he already. If I would have already between those hours 154, I would say keep him in attorney conference because guess what? I've got a staff member right there. And where he was, there's a room there. So we normally keep him in these first two rooms so you could just see him.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

So I would just say, hey, just

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

have somebody stay there. And I would have hired somebody.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

I would have hired anybody.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

I'll pay you overtime to sit on this guy until I got him. Would have kept him in attorney conference right there until I got him. A cellmate I wouldn't have had to put him on psych. You're not. That's not.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

I apologize.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

I can't do that. Question. Alright, so this line where you said you would have likely put him he gets interrupted by the guard. No Question. That's not correct. No, I wouldn't have done that.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

Okay.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

That's because like I said my earlier statement, if it would have been after the hours of operation, let's say everybody at 8 when we went back to the sell and shoe and because I

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

was still here, I would have said

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

no, put him in R D because I got R and D staff there until 10.

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

I would have called the A and W. I would have called the warden

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

and unfortunately we would have the Somebody would have come in and would have been there later than vetting a cellmate for him. Question Right. And it says redacted is not aware of any lieutenants knowing that Reyes property was moved. We didn't know. Question okay, well that you know of Redacted may have. Answer. He may have Question but he didn't tell you Answer of course he didn't tell me. All right folks, we're going to wrap up right here and in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're going

[Interviewee / Correctional Officer]

to pick up where we left off.

[Interviewer / Podcast Host]

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