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The Captain Of Security Operations At MCC And His OIG Deposition (Part 8) (6/1/26)
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The document is a sworn OIG interview transcript from June 15, 2021, involving the Bureau of Prisons captain who oversaw security operations at MCC New York during the period surrounding Jeffrey Epstein’s death. The captain described the command...
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Interviewer
business credit what's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the epstein chronicles in this episode we're going to pick up where he left off with the unnamed securities captain and his interview with the oig inspectors question now what time was their shift was it four to midnight answer who question the people we were just talking about the evening watch answer yeah four to midnight question so four pm to midnight at that point if it was recognized that there was no cellmate and he needed a cellmate could have if they did contact the ops lieutenant ops lieutenant did contact you could have an inmate been assigned at that time or would they have to wait until the next day well what i would have done if i would have known right then and there that he didn't have a cellmate he's already an attorney he's visiting right question yep answer so i would have went on ahead all right keep him in attorney visiting i would have called guess who i would have called i would have called the aw miss redacted well miss redacted and i would have called the warden i would have said hey look this guy went out the wab today or reyes didn't come back from court we got to vet another one that's what would happen and plus i was there at eight so let's say he got released from attorney visiting and he didn't go back and when they went to the let's say hey this dude he don't have a cellmate i would have been like hold up i would have said because i got r and d staff down there right because i can't put them on suicide watch i can't put him on close supervision so i would have said hey quarter this guy right now in r and d put a staff member on it which would have been fox one put them on fox one put a staff member down there let me call the warden question what does fox one mean answer that means r d that's the cell assignment i believe it would have been fox one just i can't just put them on suicide watch question right and then fox one people monitor at all times answer no but i would have had somebody monitor i would have hey put a staff member down there and watch this guy until we get him a cellmate okay and you think that that same day august ninth he would have had a cellmate if you were made aware yeah if i was made aware he would have got a cellmate question okay now let's go back and say if redacted did know and didn't tell anybody he didn't tell you he didn't tell is he the one he gets cut off by the captain or the guard he dropped the ball question right answer because again like i told you about count and you made a good statement then how did you clear the count so the two people that if so redacted knew and he didn't tell anybody that he dropped the ball but at the same time if the four pm count was conducted they would have then raised the issue with redacted so there would have been two checks right answer right question and if not it would also have happened at the ten pm count as well answer right question so if the four pm count the ten pm count were both conducted there would have been notice hey no cellmate bring it up to redacted answer correct question all right so if redacted didn't know redacted didn't tell him so redacted dropped the ball the shoe staff dropped the ball it looks like answer okay question all right so before we move on from that do you want to talk about anything specific to that notion no okay can we take a break absolutely alright it's currently eleven fifty eight pm this is senior special agent redacted and i'm pausing the recording okay the recorder is on it's currently tuesday june fifteenth twenty twenty one and at twelve o six pm we just took a short eight minute break and mister redacted i remind you that you're under oath thank you very much for your cooperation with this matter and it is voluntary and you can choose not to answer or leave at any time and look i have to interject here how in the hell is this voluntary all these people played a part in what happened none of it should be voluntary remember it's your tax dollars that are paying these people's salaries question alright so what we were talking about before before we move on i just want to go back to so you said if redacted knew he dropped the ball if the shu staff didn't do their accounts at four pm and at ten pm that's when they would have next found out that epstein was without a cellmate and they would have then reported it up correct what did we want to follow up with that the other investigator jumps in if a notification came from court that reyes wasn't coming back who would have gotten that notification the notification would have come through r and d and through the control center which the control center would have updated the count and sentry to reflect if the inmate was physically in the institution or was still out in court so it would be contingent to look at the sentry roster which would be the e one that the control center had created for those counts to find out if reyes was still on the count as physically being in the institution or out at court question okay and if r d in control did get the notification did they have to notify the shu answer yes because the count would be off question if let's just say that notification came between one pm and three pm who and shu would have got the notification the oic which have been for day watch it would have been either redacted or redacted and what should they have done and with that one time they would have reflected on inside of sentry and also they would have known that the inmate was not physically there and they would have had notified the operations lieutenant that this guy didn't come back so that means somebody would have had to make sure that the institutional count was right or wrong so in this instance if redacted knew who would have been the one that would have informed him answer that would have been that would have been either redacted or redacted would have notified him but then i also said that redacted worked in the capacity of oic because a lot of those officers would say oh i don't have the ability to log on into the program so he would do double duties question okay so let's say the that the shoe staff that time did notify redacted let's say redacted now didn't take any action okay now let's say that the next shu staff comes on board should they continue to report the matter up the chain yeah even though the shou that replaced them already made the notification that epstein was without a cellmate and needed a new one answer because their count would have been off and then they wouldn't have known that you know when they brought him back from attorney visiting that the cell was empty question right and i'm not specifically talking about the count right now what i'm saying is like if the shoe did notify hey epstein is required to have a cellmate and his cellmate's gone we need to get him a new one redacted now never takes any action should the shoe later that that day made the same notification to in this case to redacted hey epstein still hasn't been reassigned a cellmate okay so the shoe may have done it right at day watch and redacted got the notification but the shoe on night watch he gets interrupted by the guard didn't do it question didn't do it and they should have answer because he was in attorney visiting so they said oh it was an empty cell we said okay yeah epstein is still an attorney visiting nobody would have cared about the selly thing because they would have thought that he was still out of court but if he didn't come back by eight that night somebody should have said something question now let's go even further from now we go from evening watch to now morning watch we're on august tenth where noel and thomas are now in there should have they made the notification to redacted they wouldn't have known question alright so they should have he gets cut off by the guard they would have been in the same unit with the assumption that all the inmates have been accounted for by the previous shifts because the count didn't go wasn't bad so that's twelve am and three am and five am correct are you saying they don't really need to do those counts and answer no no i'm not saying that what i'm saying is they would not have known that the inmate didn't come back from court if he wasn't addressed on either day watch or evening watch they wouldn't know they would just can't be responsible for counting what inmates was housed in that unit between the hours of twelve to five because those are the three counts
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Interviewer
so yeah let's see those are the counts let's look at alright so i got it looks like we got the five the ten the midnight the three am and the five am and then is this the rounds answer yeah that's the control question the control yeah we don't want this i'll take this question okay so here are the counts from august ninth from four pm through august tenth through five am now we have reason to believe that the four pm the ten pm the the twelve am the three am and the five pm none of those were conducted okay so you're saying that the four pm count for august ninth was not done and the ten pm wasn't done answer and the ten nor was the twelve the three or the five now is there a way to look at that if there is someone let's say because at twelve you'll notice there is a discrepancy there is one inmate they're off by control says hey you're off by one is there a way to kind of look at these counts and notice all right this would have been picked up on then or a way or to kind of tell that these weren't conducted by just looking at the documents or noticing if you know if reyes is gone by one hundred fifty he's released is there a way to tell that on here answer because i got it right here question okay answer this is the form right there this will tell you who inmates are out of count and that's from small he was one of the receiving and discharging employees that was probably working on august ninth so she would know who was still at the count so that means operations lieutenant didn't even sign it that's a violation question so this document that you're looking at it looks like what is it like the third page on there answer yeah that would have been because you've got right here clark unassigned work assignments so this inmate clark this saying he's out of court so now our count is minus one but we know where he is because he's still out of court so reyes that counts so if he went to court let's say he was at eighty eight let's just say when he went out to court him and clark went out we would have went down to eighty six but guess what reyes drops off the count how he got released question so if he was released he gets cut off by the guard form that should have come from the marshals back to us saying that he got released question so between ten am count and four pm count would there have been a form in there showing that he was released answer there should have been question okay answer that should have been generated from the marshals being because it's a transfer order you heard of a transfer order every time an inmate goes off you've got ten that went out to court that day that's the transfer order whatever the disposition of those inmates are okay boom ten went out to count eight coming back okay there are where are the other two guys okay i got this guy that's still out of counted and he's at court he's still at whatever at this time frame where's reyes there should have been a transfer receipt signed by the marshals by the staff that was at the new york court over there the people that handled the inmates that transfer order should have been sent back with whoever was transporting the inmates and brought back to the institution to say that this guy never came back question so that third page that you're saying though that was a violation that the operations lieutenant didn't sign answer right question would that have been redacted or redacted at the time question because all of this stuff it's called the thirty day file so what the lieutenants are supposed to do on their shift is supposed to when they make rounds in control they're supposed to because they're supposed to take account on every shift especially in the off hours so before epstein that was a responsibility on the off hours you'll be responsible for taking the count so that evening watch guy would take the ten pm count right or somebody would take the four pm count so the operations lieutenant or the activities would normally go down and take the four they would go through the paperwork for the day up to four and you would sign all the forms like if somebody checked out keys restricted key forms operations is supposed to sign it if a transfer order receipt comes back you're supposed to sign it whatever happens on that shift you're supposed to sign the count slips that form right here that should have been signed by the lieutenant okay so these forms that we're looking at at four pm there's a number of signatures that are missing yeah and should that have been the lieutenant as in it looks like redacted official appearing count official taking count those are going to be so the person that was taking count would have been the oic then the person who was actually was there was a lieutenant that was taking the count normally he would sign in red question now the lieutenant when you say they're there aren't they in the control center answer they're in the control center question and then the shoe calls okay so the shoe calls and says we got count seventy two seventy three seventy four whatever it is and in this case when you look at the four pm you're seeing that there was no lieutenant that signed off on that no question so on the first page as well as the third page was there they should have signed right question alright and then he gets cut off by the guard yeah because i got look i got a signature for this one that was approved by the operations lieutenant right here question and who was that answer i don't know whose signature that is question all right it looks like redacted would have been on duty is that the time that's going to be four pm whoever took the four pm that lieutenant would have been redacted alright folks we're going to wrap up right here and in the next episode dealing with the topic we're going to pick up where we left off all the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box