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The Congressional Oversight Committee Releases The Epstein Related Bill Gates Transcript (6/24/26)
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Bill Gates told the House Oversight Committee that his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein was, in his telling, about philanthropy — Epstein claimed he could connect Gates to wealthy donors who might put major money into global health work. Gates said...
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What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. Over the past 24 hours, the house Oversight Committee has released the transcript from their interview with Bill Gates and with Leslie Groff. And now that we have access to both of those transcripts, we'll get those added to the catalog as well. And my plan is to dive into the Bill Gates transcript as soon as we're done with Tova Noel. And we're pretty close to wrapping that one up. We don't have much further to go as far as that interview. So as soon as that one's done, we'll get started on the Bill Gates transcript. And then after that, we'll dive right into Leslie Groff. But before we dive into those transcripts, we have an article from cnn and the headline, gates says he didn't witness crimes but may have been in the presence of Epstein victims. This article was authored by Annie Grayer and Alina Fayez. Billionaire Bill Gates testified that he never interacted with victims of Jeffrey Epstein, but acknowledged that he may have been in their presence, according to a transcript of his closed door interview with the House Oversight Committee released on Tuesday. Well, there's no doubt if you're going to consider Sarah Kellen a victim and you're going to consider Nadia Marsenkova a victim, that then there's no doubt that Bill Gates was in their presence and around them. Of course, that doesn't mean that Bill Gates was partaking in the abuse, but it does mean that Bill Gates knew a lot more than he let on. And who knows what kind of information he had that could have been helpful to an investigation. You don't come forward the second a guy like that gets arrested, even if you make pretend you didn't know previously, he gets arrested in 2019. And you don't have your legal team reach out right away to the FBI and say, look, I had a relationship with him, but I didn't see anything crazy. I'd love to come in and talk to you guys and see if there's anything I know that might help out. I mean, that would be the decent thing to do, right? And I'm sure most people out there would do that. You find out like, you know, a co worker or a friend is under investigation or has been arrested by for this kind of thing. And the first thing I'm going to be thinking is what? What do I know? Did I ever see anything crazy? Can I help the investigation? But people like Bill Gates, instead, he went the opposite direction, right? Lied about it, tried to downplay it tried to whitewash it, but this day and age with how quickly everything moves, social media and otherwise, it's very difficult to do. You can only hide things for so long, especially when you have all of this attention on the topic. And it's one of the main reasons that I have no remorse for these people. This isn't something that, you know, just showed up and has become a problem for them. They've known about their relationships with Epstein for all these years, and the vast majority of these people lied about it. The Microsoft co founder maintained in the voluntary interview which took place on Capitol Hill earlier this month that his three year relationship with a convicted sex offender was strictly professional and that he never witnessed or participated in any sexual misconduct. And again, look, there's no evidence of that. Nobody's making those allegations. The problem for Bill Gates is the fact that he lied about that relationship. So of course that makes people wonder, what else are you lying about? And just because we don't have evidence of it doesn't mean something else didn't happen, Right? That's why we have to have an investigation. And when you get caught up with somebody like Jeffrey Epstein, don't come crying to me that you're swept up in some vast investigation where they're looking at your behavior. And if you were engaging in any kind of abuse, fellow travelers and all. But Democratic Representative Robert Garcia pointed that the panel's investigation has shown that some of Epstein's employees were also abused by the late financier, making it difficult for Gates to rule out that he was never around any of Epstein's victims. Well, that's true. And that goes for everybody. Now the defense is going to be they didn't know. They had no idea what was going on. The they thought they were just Jeffrey Epstein's assistants because there's no talk, right? There's no scuttlebutt. Nobody has anything to say out of the side of their mouth. That's a very good point, said Gates, who acknowledged he saw some of Epstein's female employees at the end of a meeting on one of Epstein's planes. He added, I may have been in the presence of victims. Not may have been. You were. And even if you just think that you were around people who are being trafficked, that's something that you should be telling the authorities. All right, look, I didn't know then, but I know now. And this is what I saw. This is when I saw it, and this is where I saw it. But instead it has to be this whole entire circus, right? Congress etc. Bill Gates could have easily held a press conference years ago and cleaned this all up or at the very least explained his relationship. But instead, he just lied. And the legacy media, well, they ran with it. Oh, Bill Gates is such a great guy. He's trying to cure malaria. He would never do something like that. It's a vast right wing conspiracy. Yeah, well, guess what? Is it still a vast right wing conspiracy? As part of the Oversight Committee's ongoing probe, they the panel sought Gates testimony after the release of additional Epstein files by the Justice Department this year raised questions about his ties to the late convicted sex offender. Well, if you would have just paid attention years ago when we all told you what was going on, maybe Epstein would have been held to account. Maybe the people that enabled him would have been called out onto the carpet. But everybody was way too busy when this story was breaking to actually give a damn. And we're not going to engage in any revisionist history here and give people credit for showing up late to the party. I mean, where were all these people at when Virginia was begging for people to listen to her? Where were all these big, gigantic media outlets when the survivors were coming out telling their stories and being absolutely trashed? The thing is, this wasn't profitable back then, so they had no desire to report on it. And they also didn't want to out their buddies. I mean, remember what Nancy Pelosi's own daughter said, that some of our faves are going to be outed and there's no doubt that some of the faves have been outed. The panel also Tuesday released the transcript of Epstein's longtime assistant, Leslie Groff, who characterized her former boss as a master manipulator and said she did not know about his crimes. Groff revealed that she connected Epstein and President Donald Trump, then a private citizen, on the phone multiple times over a period of 10 years, but said she did not know the content of those conversations. Trump has long denied any wrongdoing related to Epstein, as well as any allegations of sexual misconduct. Well, I'm sure he'll deny the phone calls, too. Oh, that didn't happen. He called my office. I didn't want to talk to him. We were never friends. You know, the same old song and dance we get all the time. And then you'll have James Comer coming out drooling and just going along with whatever the president says. CNN has reached out to representatives for Gates and Grof for comment. In his interview, Gates laid out how Epstein attempted to use information about the Microsoft co Founder's personal life, including that he had been unfaithful in his marriage, to pressure him. Yeah, blackmail, kompromat. But I thought Kash Patel said that didn't happen and none of that existed. Could it be that Kash Patel is lying? Could that possibly be the case? Now, look, I'm not hip to the, you know, ancient Scandinavian religion of Asartu or whatever it's called, but do you get to Valhalla if you're lying? I wonder how Odin feels about people that protect diddlers. My guess is they're gonna have a date with Thor's hammer. That's my guess. But having the audacity to get up there and try and tell people that there was no blackmail, no kompromat, that none of that occurred is just straight up lun. After he cut ties with Epstein in 2014, Gaetz recalled one instance in which Epstein emailed asking for reimbursement for expenses Epstein had paid for related to a woman Gates had an affair with. Why would Epstein be paying for those expenses? That seems like a good question to ask. No, Bill Gates can't front the bill. Short on Doe. Uncle Funzalo is in town. Does he have short arms and deep pockets? What's going on? Why is it that Jeffrey Epstein's involved in any way when it comes to Bill Gates's love life? These are very simple questions, and we have no answers for them. And this testimony, I don't think it really provides the answers that we're looking for. I communicated to my key person, top person at Gates Ventures, Larry Cohen, that we were never going to pay anything, gates testified. Gates was introduced to Epstein in 2011 through one of his most trusted employees, Dr. Boris Nikolic, whom Gates believes told Epstein about two of the extramarital affairs. Behind closed doors. Investigators press Gates about other potential affairs, arguing it was relevant to determine whether Gates had any other ties to the convicted sex offender. But Gates and his legal team pushed back. Yeah, it's a voluntary interview. Refer to the last episode and why? The voluntary interviews and the whole process is a bunch of bs. The tech billionaire pointed specifically to the draft emails that Epstein appears to have written to to himself in 2013 that include a series of graphic, unverified allegations against Gates and argued that Epstein would have mentioned other affairs there. Or maybe not. Maybe he was holding some back. You don't just launch your whole entire salvo right away, right? Do the grouchies fire off all the fireworks at the beginning, or do they wait for the end and then launch Everything in the. A grand finale. I think that Epstein, when he was writing emails to himself, took every potential negative thing he knew and some that are completely false, and he put those into draft emails to himself. Gates said. And so I think if in some weird way he discovered anything negative to say about me, he would have seen that in the emails that he sent to himself. Yeah, I don't buy that. Nice excuse, but I don't buy it. Okay. Sorry, Billy boy Gates. In these stream of conscious notes riddled with typos and vitriol, which Gates has stated or false, Epstein appears to claim he facilitated sexual encounters for Gates and helped him obtain medication to hide and his sexually transmitted infection from his wife. Look, I don't know if that's true. Could it be for sure? I mean, Bill Gates has the ability to keep that hidden. A few palms greased here, a few bags dropped off there, and everything's all good. In his closed door interview, Gates said that he'd never had an std, but that it's possible he communicated to Nikolic that he was worried that he might have had one. Oh, boy, I bet you he had one. He probably had the clap or something. I mean, if you're out here and you're doing what he was doing, allegedly with all these affairs, is it that big of a leap? Upon meeting Epstein in 2011, Gates said he was aware the financier had a criminal conviction that was of a sexual nature, but still said he was interested in pursuing a professional relationship with Epstein, who claimed he could raise billions of dollars for Global Health. Ah, well, you know, Global Health and all. To hell with the girls that were abused. To hell with the people that had their lives ruined, because, you know, he can raise some money. To this day, Gates said he wishes he had not ignored Epstein's bad reputation in pursuit of philanthropic opportunity that never came to fruition. Even though Epstein tried to invite him to the island or social functions, Gates said he was conscious not to cross that threshold because of Epstein's criminal conviction. Oh, well, I'll pander to him for some money and I'll show up like a beggar, but I'm not gonna go to his island. Save it, okay? Please save the bullshit. I have regret that I didn't factor that in to a greater degree, Gaetz testified. Gates also said that he finds it confusing how Epstein was able to accumulate his wealth and noted that Epstein's New York City apartment was one of the most spacious homes in Manhattan he has ever seen. Yeah, well, no shit. And we all know how he got his money. Stop. Can we just stop with the nonsense, please? Dancing around the edges. This man gained all that money and kept it growing by laundering it. And not just for himself, for all of his buddies, too. You know, all these people that you want to have empathy for. Yeah, those people. Gates said he also voluntarily cooperated with the Attorney General of the US Virgin Islands by sitting for an interview and providing some financial documents, though Gates, he did not specify when that was during the Denise George move to try and get the SECO suit going, and that was in pursuit of that. Grof, meanwhile, is one of the most notable members of the late financier's inner orbit to speak to Congress as part of his Epstein investigation. A ubiquitous assistant who helped manage every aspect of Epstein's life, from scheduling massages to appointments with women to meetings with powerful individuals, as evidenced in the Justice Department's millions of Epstein files. But Grof's denials that she had any knowledge about Epstein's wrongdoing was immediately met with condemnation from survivors. And I agree with that, too. Now, Leslie Groff, I don't think was engaging in abuse, but she enabled it. She was a co conspirator. And if she was setting up phone calls and she was, you know, providing logistics, then she's part of the RICO operation. The whole entire point of RICO is to go after like this. Groff said she believed that everyone she scheduled Epstein for a massage was a massage therapist and said that she considered it to be an independent contractor type of situation. Of course she did. What's she gonna incriminate herself? Oh, yeah, I knew I did it anyway. She testified that she stopped regularly booking these massage appointments for Epstein in 2008, when he served about a year in jail in Florida. But Democrats on the committee looked to poke holes in that assertion by pointing to other appointments after 2008 that Grof booked for Epstein. Grof, in defense of booking appointments for Epstein even after his first incarceration, told lawmakers, I would not have known that this was a massage. I don't know. You're assuming that I would think it was a massage, but I did not think of it as a massage. I don't believe that. I'm sorry. I don't believe it. And I don't think a jury would either, honestly. So she had no idea. Just a shrinking violet. Stop it. That is a bunch of nonsense. Leslie Groff knew maybe not all of the granular details, but you would have to be very, very stupid to not understand what was going on. And I have a very hard time believing that narrative. I'm sorry, but I don't believe it. You were around him so often with so many people for so long, you knew, or at the very least, you have heard that some bad shit was going on and you stayed. You continued to book massages, you continued to remain quiet and you continued to look the other way. And we all know why. Financial benefit, that's why. So as far as Leslie Groff goes, I don't buy a thing she has to say. And Bill Gates, well, it was only a matter of time before he was outed as the Larry is because the facts were there. We have heard all these stories for years, but now we have the confirmation with the emails and Bill Gates can no longer deny it. That that is the only reason he's admitting it. In a perfect world for Bill Gates, he would have been able to continue to deny this until the end of time. But now that the files are there for everybody to see, now he has to change up the strategy, right? Oh, well, I knew, but I didn't know the full extent. And that's going to be the defense from all these people. That's what they're going to say. The question is, are you buying it? All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.