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The Pam Bondi Congressional Oversight Committee Epstein Related Transcript (Part 2) (6/5/26)
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Pam Bondi’s congressional transcript showed her trying to defend the Justice Department’s handling of the Epstein files while repeatedly distancing herself from the day-to-day mechanics of the review. She told House Oversight lawmakers that Todd...
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Interviewer Emmer / Attorney General Bondi
What's up everyone and welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to get right back to the Pam Bondi transcript. Emmer so at the time that you directed this review, was there any sort of plan of what the review would consist of? Bondi well, initially, again, we only received several hundred documents and they were released upon redaction by the FBI. Then once Director Patel assumed his position, we found many more documents. And as we received those, those were reviewed and released. And we have always made it very clear that if anyone is the victim of Jeffrey Epstein, and I count Ghislaine Maxwell in there too, she's just as evil as Jeffrey Epstein was that they come forward to us, the FBI. Many of these victims are represented by lawyers and talk to us. Emmer, upon taking office, did any victims or victim attorneys reach out to the department? Yes. Emmer how many? Bondi I can't recall how many. I know multiple. There were multiple victims and many of which I believe the majority are represented by attorneys. Emmer did you meet with them personally or would that have been something that Todd Blanche would have done? No, I spoke to one attorney. I can't recall her name. She was a former prosecutor and she seemed to deeply care about these victims. Of course. And I spoke to her and I believe I referred her to the FBI. You know, when a victim is represented, you go through their attorney. And I spoke to her directly. And then I know many of the lawyers in my office spoke to other attorneys and I believe the FBI spoke to multiple victims as well. But I would direct that to Deputy Attorney General, now Acting Attorney General Blanche and also Director Patel. Emmer, you would have been briefed on these meetings with victims and their attorneys, is that right? I have not been after the fact. Okay. Do you have any idea what the victims and their attorneys were concerned about during the time period of February and spring of 2025? Only the attorney that I spoke to and she was just concerned about being heard and these victims being heard. Emmer uh huh. Were they interested in files being released at the time? I don't recall. QUESTION okay, you mentioned Director Patel and the FBI. Were there any other agencies that were involved in the review of documents during this period? BONDI the FBI, the doj, multiple components of the doj, my National Security Division at the time. And then ultimately we received multiple documents. We used attorneys from around the country, including Florida and New York. EMMER and I know I asked you about potential co conspirators earlier, but when you were reviewing these initial documents in the spring of 2025, were there ever any plans to pursue investigations into potential co conspirators? I'm sorry, what month did you say? EMMER upon assuming office and during the spring of 2025? Bondi if there were co conspirators or evidence that anyone committed a crime that could be proven in a courtroom, it's any prosecutor's duty to pursue that. EMMER Attorney General Bondi, on February 21, 2025, just over two weeks after you were sworn in as AG, you responded to a question in an interview about a purported list of Epstein's clients by saying, it's sitting on my desk right now. Is that an accurate characterization of your statements during that interview? BONDI if you listen to the entire interview, I I was referring to the file and I also included I don't have a copy of the transcript of that interview, but I kept going. Instead, the question was, I believe a list of clients. And I said it's sitting on my desk to review along with JFK files, MLK files I wasn't I meant the files to review. I had not reviewed them at the time and I made that clear. EMMER and I'm assuming you did ultimately review those files, is that right? BONDI yeah, along with multiple attorneys in my office. EMMER and were those files the ones that you referred to previously that the FBI produced to the DOJ upon assuming office? ANSWER yes. QUESTION thank you. BONDI and I think you clarified something for me. It was within two weeks of assuming office that I received those. So really within just a week or more, I had requested all the Epstein documents. QUESTION and during this period, upon assuming office, you were interested in whether or not there was a client list of Epstein? BONDI Yes. EMMER and you directed the department to review whether there was a client list? BONDI yes. QUESTION by EMMER and those documents that you referred to that were sitting on your desk, were those ultimately produced publicly? BONDI yes. EMMER A week later, on February 27, 2025, a group of select individuals left the White House holding white binders that contained the DOJ seal and were labeled the Epstein files. Phase one. Do you recall this occurring? BONDI yeah, and that would include the approximately, I'm saying approximate 300 pages and I believe that included flight logs and other things, but those were the initial documents that we received. EMMER Were you involved in providing these documents to these individuals? Yes. QUESTION and ultimately whose decision was it to release the documents? Bondi ultimately mined to release as much as we could while protecting victims identities. EMMER how were the recipients of this phase one release elected? We were seeing them that day. They were at the White House and we handed them the binders and then it was released to the general public as well. EMMER Were these recipients of the phase one release also provided an opportunity to review the documents at DOJ headquarters? BONDI I don't believe so. EMMER so the label Epstein Files Phase one, at that point was it presumed that there would be a phase two? Yeah, because I didn't believe that there were only 300 approximately pages of Epstein documents. And I had sent the FBI a letter demanding everything they had and that meant around this country on Epstein and that was all we received. EMMER and to be clear, was there any other release of documents prior to this committee's investigation of the Epstein files? Transparency ACT yes, multiple ones. Multiple ones. EMMER at this time I'd like to introduce what will be marked as majority Exhibit one. And I'll give you a moment to review. Attorney General Bondi do you recognize this letter? BONDI yes, this is the letter that I referred to earlier, dated February 27, 2025, that I sent to Director Patel. And to clarify, I had said that we released approximately 300 maybe earlier documents. There were about 200 pages according to the letter that I sent them. EMMER so in the letter you claim that you learned from a source that the FBI field office in New York was withholding thousands of pages of Epstein documents despite the FBI's assurances that all relevant documents had been delivered to the Department of Justice already. In this letter you say that you only received about 200 pages and requested an investigation into the document shortfall. Is that an accurate summary of what occurred? Yes. EMMER why do you think that this field office was withholding documents? I asked Patel to look into that. EMMER who told or who told you or brought these concerns to you that they may be withholding documents?
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Interviewer Emmer / Attorney General Bondi
Bondi I believe it was one of the attorneys in my office who said I believe it was a career prosecutor who said, I think there are more documents and they're in New York. I don't believe it was an FBI agent. And then that's when I contacted Director Patel, who by that time had assumed office. Emmer you also stated in the letter that the FBI failed to disclose the existence of these documents after your repeated requests to turn over all documents. Is that correct? Bondi that is correct. And I said by 8am tomorrow, the FBI will deliver the full and complete Epstein files to my office, including all records, documents, audio and video recordings and materials related to Jeffrey Epstein and his clients. Regarding Regardless of how such information was obtained, there will be no withholdings or limitations to my or your access. The Department of Justice will ensure that any public disclosure of these files will be done in a manner to protect the privacy of victims and in accordance with the law, as I've done my entire career as a prosecutor. And the letter continues. Question and you already mentioned that you discussed this with Director Patel. Did did you also discuss it with Deputy Director Bongino? Answer I don't know if Deputy Director Bongino had assumed his office at that point. Emmer and pursuant to your letter, did Director Patel initiate an investigation into that field office? Bondi I believe he did. Emmer do you know what the results of that investigation were? Bondi I don't recall. Emmer Given this letter, what other steps did you take to ensure the FBI turned over any and all of the remaining withheld documents? Bondi I relied on Patel and Deputy Attorney General Blanche. Question by Emmer so you yourself did not ever confirm that the FBI turned over all relevant documents following this incident? Answer by Bondi you would have to ask Director Patel. At this time, I would like to introduce what will be marked as Majority Exhibit 2. Attorney General Bondi, do you recognize the statement by Bondi? Yes. What role did you have in issuing the statement? This was I did not have a role in issuing the statement. I believe it was done by Deputy Attorney General Blanche in conjunction with with the FBI. I believe. Question and for the record, this is the July 7, 2025 DOJ an FBI joint statement? The statement said that there was no evidence that Epstein kept a client list of associates whom he blackmailed or conspired with to victimize dozens of women. Do you know which documents the DOJ and FBI relied on in issuing the statement? Bondi? I do not. You'd have to ask Deputy Attorney General now. Now, Acting Attorney General Blanche and Director Patel Emmer, prior to this statement being issued, were you briefed on the review's finding that informed the statement? Yes. What were you told? I don't recall other than what's in the letter. Emmer, as far as conclusions of the letter itself, did you have concerns Bondi at the time? No. We relied on the documents that the FBI and DOJ received, and the letter says that there was. DOJ was not able to locate a client list. Did DOJ compile a list of individuals as far as its review that may have been associated with Epstein and Maxwell? Not to my knowledge. They didn't compile a client list, to my knowledge. Question by Emmer. So for the record, is it your testimony today that the Department of Justice never had a list of Epstein's clients or associates in its possession? Bondi? Not to my knowledge. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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