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The Sarah Kellen Congressional Transcript (Part 13) (6/16/26)
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Sarah Kellen told Congress that she was not a willing architect of Jeffrey Epstein’s operation but one of his victims, claiming Epstein groomed, abused, isolated, and controlled her for years. She described herself as trapped inside his world through...
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What's up everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up where we left off with the Sarah Kellen interview with Congress. Question, do you remember what you talked about at all? I think I knew that he was like a donor or maybe like a wing now named after him or something. He was involved. He was a big art collector, so he had involvement with the museum. Question, what was your sense of Mr. Black personally? Answer. I knew he had a mistress. And I remember, I think his mistress was with him at the dinner in Paris. And I remember seeing him walking on Madison Avenue with his mistress and being surprised that he was being so brazen and bold out in the open with a mistress in the city that his wife lived in. And that is the same general time frame at least. Like post work release, maybe. Maybe. Okay, for the dinner in Paris. So what was Mr. Black, Mr. Epstein? You. Mr. Black's mistress? Anyone else? I don't remember specifically. And where in Paris was it at? At a restaurant. Okay. Do you remember what was talked about? Answer? No. Okay. Did you have any other interactions with Mr. Black? I ran into him after I stopped employment with Jeffrey at the Milken Conference. I think that was in. I want to say it was in Singapore. And I said hello, and it was just a very short interaction. Do you know approximately what year this would have been? It would have probably been 2014, 14 or 15. Was there anyone with him? It was kind of just like in general public area. Yeah, I don't remember him being with anybody. Got it. Do you know if Mr. Black ever went to Little St. James? I don't know. Not that I witnessed or recall him being there. And just to step back a bit, what was your understanding of the nature of the relationship between Mr. Epstein and Mr. Black? I assumed Jeffrey was managing his money. Anything else? They seem friendly. Previously, you mentioned the photograph that you took of a number of different men, I believe, in New York City. Larry Summers, Jeff Staley, others. Correct, Correct. Do you remember approximately when that was? 2011, maybe 2010. 2011, probably. And was it and Mr. Epstein's gets cut off by Kellen. It was in his New York home. It was in the foyer outside of the dining room. This was after he was back from work release, if you don't mind me asking. Yes, Ms. Hamm. Okay, Ms. Redacted. Do you remember why all those men were in his home? Was it a dinner, a meeting? I think it was a dinner. And how did you come to take the photograph of him when he had dinners like that? He would have me just stay at the house a lot of times to be available to either help, serve, or if there was anything that was needed, he needed while he was in the meeting. So I remember they had a meeting in the dining room, and then they came out, and Jeffrey asked me to take a picture of all of them together. Do you have any sense of what the meeting was about? I don't. Do you remember anyone else who was there but who was not in the photo? No question. Okay. Did you have any other interaction with Mr. Staley? I know that him and his family flew on the plane one time, his wife and his two daughters. Question, Were you on the plane with him? Yes. What was your sense of him personally? That he was Jeffrey's private banker. Any other interactions? I think just from the photograph, like when he would come to the house for meetings, it was maybe just seeing him in passing kind of thing, but I mean, nothing substantive that I can remember. I just know, like, I know the name. I know who he Was sure. Did you have a sense of Mr. Staley's personal relationship with Mr. Epstein? They were definitely friendly for sure. I feel like when Jess, like, move banks, then Jeffrey moved banks with him or something. Okay. Ended with J.P. morgan. The Barclays, I believe. I think it was from JP Morgan to Barclays. Question. Two quick questions going back to the Florida investigation and the plea. And the first one concerns Richard Kahn. Do you have any knowledge of why Mr. Kahn became aware of Jeffrey Epstein's arrest? No. Did you ever talk about that with Mr. Kahn? No. Question. And the second question is concerning Bruce Rinehart, whose name came up in a previous round. Do you have any idea how he came to be associated with Jeffrey Epstein? I don't. I'm not sure if maybe Jack Goldberger may have made the introduction because they shared an office in Florida. And then fast forwarding again in time, 2018, specifically December of 2018. It's my understanding that Jeffrey Epstein made a payment to you in the amount of $250,000. Am I right about that? Yes. What's your understanding as to why Jeffrey Epstein paid you that amount of money? I was telling him about my financial situation between me and my ex husband, that we had gutted our apartment a few months before. He was in the hospital with emergency open heart surgery and had to stop his career and wasn't making any to have any income. So he spent basically his entire savings trying to rebuild the apartment and it wasn't enough. And then we were trying to refinance, so he couldn't refinance it unless it was livable. But we couldn't make it livable without refinancing it. So it was just this bad, stressful situation. And I remember telling Jeffrey about it and expressing it. And he got on the phone and called Richard Khan and said, why are Sarah this money? So I assumed it was kind of to help alleviate some of that stress. Question, during the course of that conversation, did he ever mention the investigation that was underway in the Southern District of New York? No. Question. Did he ever mention the series of articles that had begun to appear in the Miami Herald in November of 2018? I believe that he mentioned it to him and he kind of just dismissed it. He was like, it's the same thing, the exact same thing just being regurgitated. Like, kind of. It was just like, whatever, it's old news and just kind of dismissed it. And you mentioned it during the same conversation? Yes. Okay. Did Jeffrey Epstein tell you not to mention the $250,000 payment to anyone? He Did. Did he tell you why he didn't want you to mention it? He did not. Did you have an understanding? I had no idea. I didn't know if maybe he didn't want to make other people jealous or something. Did you ever suspect that the timing of the payment was an indication that it was intended to keep you from working with the Southern District of New York or other law enforcement? That was not my understanding. Like I said, he sort of just dismissed the Miami Herald articles and I wasn't aware that there was an investigation happening at the time. When was the last time you were in contact with Jeffrey Epstein? He would occasionally email me, like on my birthday, happy birthday type of thing. I don't remember the last time that was. Did he ever contact you after his arrest in 2019? No. I have just one follow up question on Mr. Endyke and Mr. Khan. Did either one of them ever open up a bank account for you? So there was a bank account for SLK Designs? I don't remember exactly. I may have opened it myself, but then like, redacted. Managed it kind of the payroll for redacted and the sort of thing. I didn't really. I didn't really deal with it. Managed the SLK account? Yes. And did she do so on behalf of Mr. Khan? They worked together. I don't know how they divided their responsibilities. And did either Mr. Khan or redacted have control over the account, meaning could they make deposits and withdrawals? Yes. And did you have that sort of control over any other accounts that you were a part of or that you owned? No. Ham. Can I just ask, to clarify, what about, did you have like work credit cards, able to make payments on them? Kellen? Yeah, I had. The type of work credit cards, they. That they paid. Question. Did they ever make any payments, whether from a bank account or a credit card that you were unaware of and found out about later? I don't think so. Question. Or without your consent, if they had. I'm sorry? Question. Did they ever like, make a payment from any of the accounts we've been talking about, be it a bank account or a credit card account, without your knowledge or your consent? Answer. It could have been possible, I'm not aware, but they would have been able to, you know, have checks or whatever from the SLK Designs account? Question. Ms. Kellen, I just have a couple questions. Last August, Ghislaine Maxwell was transferred to a minimum security prison. How do you feel about that decision? I find it suspicious. Not quite sure why that would have happened. You find it Suspicious because the nature of her crimes are inconsistent with with being in a minimum security prison. I don't really know what kind of prison she's meant to be in for those crimes, but it seems like she's kind of being treated favorably. Okay, so you disagree with the decision to move her to a minimum security prison? Yeah. And there's been reports that she's been given special treatment in this new prison. How do you feel about that? It seems like we're kinda repeating Jeffrey's experience in prison, being treated favorably and getting favorable treatment. Aha. Understood. Thank you. One quick follow up. With respect to Leon Black, you said his mistress was with him at the dinner in Paris. Then you also said you saw him with her when you ran into him on the street. I saw them walking, yeah. Do you remember what the mistress name was? I don't. Was it the same person in both instances? Yes. Okay, thank you. Ms. Stansberry. Hello Kellen. Hi Stansberry thank you so much for being here today. I represent New Mexico's 1st congressional district. Zorro Ranch is not my district, but adjacent to my district. And I'm sure you're aware, you've probably been seeing in the news that our state legislature has opened a Truth Commission. It's a legislative body and part of what our Truth Commission is trying to do is to try to establish the facts around the ranch, what happened there, whether or not abuse happened there. I know that you were asked some questions earlier. I wasn't able to be here this morning, so I just want to follow up on some pieces of the story that are particular interest to our commission and also your experience there. Because I understand from the earlier questions that you had traveled there. So I understand that your bio that you were involved on a day to day basis in management of the affairs and properties of Mr. Epstein. Did you also play that role at Zorro Ranch as well? I wasn't really involved in like the he had staff, like permanent staff that lived at the ranch that managed it and took care of it. Stansberry so what was your specific role at the ranch then? Kellan it was more just still the capacity of Jeffrey and Ghislaine's personal assistant. Stansberry A. Okay, so that was the only when they were physically there that you played that role? Kellen yes. Question. Stansberry so who managed the day to day affairs when you were not there? Kellen There were several people. Karen and Bryce. Gordon Stansberry. Gordon Kellen. Gordon Stansberry okay. Kellen they were kind of the main ones there were definitely ones before their employment. I just don't remember. There was like kind of a driver, manager. His name was Manalito. I don't remember his last name. Stansberry huh? Kellen There was, there was a woman, she was the woman manager in the very beginning, and I don't remember her name exactly. And then eventually Bryce and Karen took over from there. I know there were a few others, other staff members that worked on the ranch, and I just don't remember their names. Sansbury okay. Is there any other person associated with the ranch, the that either worked for Mr. Epstein or that you believe have knowledge about the ranch, its operation? What happened there that you think the Truth Commission should speak to? Kellen I would think Bryce and Karen would be the most knowledgeable. Stan's very. Okay. And I did mention earlier our truth Commission would love to speak with you if you're willing to at some point. And so I just want to extend that invite to you. So I know that you were asked earlier about your travel to the ranch. Do you know about how many times you were there? Kellen Typically I went once a year in August with Jeffrey. And I have been a few other, maybe two other times by myself and a few friends that he offered it to, like a birthday present for me to go. STANSBURY and when you guys would go in August, about how long would you stay? Kellen I want to say about a week. Stansberry About a week? KELLEN maybe two weeks. He didn't stay in one place for very long. STANSBURY and how did Mr. Epstein use the ranch? He would go on walks, exercise. STANSBURY Was it like a retreat for him? Was it a place of business? Did he bring people there? KELLAN he would have guests, he would have meetings. There was some sort of science, I think there was or may have been in Santa Fe. There was a scientist, Murray Gelman, that was based out of there that would come and see him. Stansberry Maurice Gelman. Kellen Murray. Gentleman. Stansbury MURRAY I forget the name of what he worked with, but it was some sort of science thing that was in the area. He was friendly with the governor, Governor Richardson. STANSBURY yeah. Did you ever see Mr. Richardson there? KELLEN I know I met him, but I don't know if he was specifically on the ranch. All right, folks, we're gonna wrap up right here. And in the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna finish this bad boy off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description
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