
Sarah Kellen told Congress that she was not a willing architect of Jeffrey Epstein’s operation but one of his victims, claiming Epstein groomed, abused, isolated, and controlled her for years. She described herself as trapped inside his world through...
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And then I'll turn it back to our attorneys that you wanted to make sure people understood the level of manipulation that affected you as an assistant and how that contributed to your abuse. Can you just share a little bit more about what that looked like if you feel comfortable and it doesn't cause extra trauma? Kellan. Sure. He was very good at targeting vulnerable people. He would get to know you and your situation and then offer to help. Like with me, he offered to pay off my credit card debt. The first time I met him, he asked me what I wanted to do with my life and I said I wanted to go to FIT and study yoga and Pilates. And he was like, well, you can do all those things if you work for me and would dangle carrots. I mean, he would make false promises all along the way. Like, he would say he would put you in an apartment that I lived in New York in my name if I made it working for five years for him, which he never did. And he kept continuing to promise through the years, never did. So he would act like your savior, your caretaker. And that's how I viewed in the beginning, like how I referenced, like, oh, he's being so generous and not understanding myself that it was a form of control. When I only got paid 25,000 a year, like, I couldn't afford to live where I wanted to live. I had to live where he told me to live. When he took me clothes shopping, I was like, oh, he's so generous. But it wasn't clothes that I chose and I trusted that his taste was superior to mine, that he knew better. And then if I wore something that he didn't approve of, he would look at me dismissively and be like, where did you get that? It's disgusting. Throw it away. So he was just very good at decimating your ability to make your own decisions and have your own autonomy, and it made you more and more dependent on him. He would tell people that he paid for two of my friends that were also assistants college education, but it was contingent upon them taking classes that he told them to take. And when they, like, wavered from that, he stopped paying for their schooling. So it was just like you had to abide by every rule. STANSBERRY this is very helpful. Thank you. And I'll turn it back. I appreciate you sharing. Mr. Krishnamurti, how much time do we have on the clock? Redacted 10 minutes. Krishnamurthy we have 10 minutes left. Redacted yes. Krishnamoorthy okay, great. Okay. Hi, I'm Raja Krishnamoorthy from Illinois 8th District, and thank you for coming in. Some very specific questions and I was here for the first part of your questioning this morning, but I missed some of the middle of it, so I apologize if this was asked. Have you met Donald Trump? I did once at Mar a Lago for maybe five minutes in my first or second year of employment, probably 2001 or 2002. Krishnamurthy okay, and what was the nature of that interaction, the five minutes? Kellan Jeffrey used to go to the gym at Mar A Lago, and I went with him one time and Mr. Trump was there and he introduced me to him. KRISHNAMOORTHY and what year was that? Kellen Probably 2001 or 2002. Krishnamoorthy okay. And did you see her witness anything untoward in your interaction with Donald Trump? KELLEN no, it was just kind of like one of like the main rooms at Mar A Lago. He was kind of like introducing me and that was it. It wasn't like a very long interaction. KRISHNAMOORTHY and that was the only interaction you've had those five minutes in 2001 or 2002 at Mar A Lago? KELLEN yes, for me personally, yes. Krishnamoorthy okay. And how about Melania Trump? Kellen I've never met her. KRISHNAMOORTHY how about other members of the Trump family? I met his son or sons through my ex husband. He was friendly with him. Krishnamurthy I'm sorry? Kellen My ex husband was friendly with Don Jr. And Eric, so I met them not through Jeffrey, but through my ex husband. Krishnamoorthy the ex husband who gets cut off by Kellan. My second ex husband. Brian Vickers. Krishnamoorthy okay. And what was the interaction with them at the time? Ms. I remember having lunch with him in New York. Krishnamurti what year was this? It would have probably. We were married in 2013, so it would have been sometime after 2013. Krishnamurthy okay. And it was a social occasion that you met them for lunch? Kellen Just for lunch. Yeah. KRISHNAMOORTHY okay, got it. Any other members of the Trump family? Kellen I don't think so. KRISHNAMOORTHY okay, Is there. I'm just going to name some agencies, you know, like three letter agencies. Have you ever heard the word FSB with your time with Epstein when you were employed with him? I'm saying Kellen doesn't sound familiar. Krishnamoorthy massad Kellen not that I can think of in relation to Epstein. Krishnamurthy CIA? Kellen no. Krishnamurthy MI5. Kellen no. Krishnamoorthy did you ever come across an interaction, Were you aware of any interaction between. Between Jeffrey Epstein and any foreign intelligence agency? I remember there being. I don't know the exact situation, but his bodyguard, Igor Zinoviev I remember there being something about taking a class or something with the CIA or getting a certification or something. And I don't know exactly what it was or how it came to be. Krishnamoorthy okay. And we've heard about this Igor character. Kellan uh huh. Krishnamoorthy Igor was supposedly a guard forum at the jail or whatever they call it during work release. Kellan he was his personal trainer. And when Jeffrey went to jail he was sort of his driver and bodyguard after that. KRISHNAMOORTHY okay. Igor did you ever have any interaction with Igor? Kellan Yes. KRISHNAMOORTHY. Okay. And did Igor have any. Are you aware of Igor having any interaction with foreign intelligence agencies? Kellan Other than, I don't know. I don't know how I knew or heard that he had taken some sort of like course or something with the CIA. Krishnamoorthy okay. But not a foreign Gets cut off by Kellen. Foreign No. Krishnamoorthy okay, finally I want to just turn to financial transactions. I understand that there was a wire transfer that they talked about or some kind of financial transaction that you folks discussed. We're aware of one point. Well, 1.5 billion in wire transfers were picked up in what are called suspicious activity reports that are kept by the Treasury Department and banks have to disclose them. What's the largest wire transfer that you are aware of? If Epstein was involved with. I wasn't aware of any other large transfers except the ones he sent to me. Krishnamoorthy. Okay. And those are the only ones you're aware of? Kellen. Yes. Krishnamoorthy. Okay. By the way, Wexner, have you met Wexner? Kellan Yes, Krishnamoorthyu did. Okay. Wexner made a very large wire transfer, made very large transactions with Mr. Epstein supposedly to pay him for financial advice. What is your opinion on that and what's your knowledge of that? I don't have knowledge of their business dealings or how much he was paid or any of that. Okay. Glenn Maxwell is now seeking. By the way, before this interview, you did not have any interaction with the Trump administration, correct? Or any members of the Trump administration. Kellen. No. Ham. You mean in preparing for the interview. Krishnamoorthy Correct. Kellen no. Krishnamoorthy has anybody reached out to you? Kellen no. Krishnamoorthy and no other actors or entities reached out to you either, right? Kellen no. Krishnamoorthy. Okay, good. Ghislaine Maxwell is seeking clemency right now. You're aware of that, right? Kellen yes. Krishnamoorthy. She's seeking a pardon. A. I presume that you would agree that she does not deserve any form of clemency. Kellen. I would agree.
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Now Spin Quest is a free to play social casino void where prohibited. Visit spinquest.com for more details. Krishnamoorthy. And why is that? Kellen she abused me. I believe that she. I always had this sort of belief that she's the one that turned Jeffrey into a monster. That he became. Krishnamurthy how many people do you think that Ghislaine Maxwell specifically participated in abusing? You don't have to name names. I'm just saying numbers. Kellen. Ask a question again. Sorry. Krishnamoorthy I'm asking you how many people. Ballpark. Do you believe that Glenn Maxwell personally participated in abusing. I'm not asking you to name names. I'm just saying ballpark. Are we talking hundreds? Kellen I don't know. I didn't witness anything but my own abuse with her. Krishnamoorthy you never witnessed Glenn Maxwell participating in any abuse of any other person. Kellen no. Krishnamoorthy okay. I think that's all from me. Thank you. Ham. May I just make sure the record is clear? Because you asked about it if it's all right. You asked about her meetings with foreign intelligence officials. You did travel and meet with foreign government officials with Mr. Epstein, right? In Israel and Russia and places like that. But you just don't. You don't have knowledge either way if there were intelligence officials in the meetings, Is that right? Kellan Correct. Krishnamoorthy Sorry. Two questions. Ministry of State Security. Have you heard of that? Mss. Kellen no. Krishnamoorthy have you met. Do you know if Jeffrey Epstein ever had any contact with Xi Jinping? Kellen no. Krishnamoorthy. Vladimir Putin? Kellen no. He interview had contact with someone that used to date Naomi Campbell. That was Russian. Vlad. Vlad something. They came to lunch in Palm Beach. Krishnamoorthy okay. But not Putin. Kellen no, not that I'm aware of. HAM when you were in Moscow, you don't remember meeting with anyone from the Russian government? Well, we did have a dinner in Moscow with, I think he was the head of the Chechen rebels, probably 2003. I want to say. Krishnamurti with one of the heads of the Chechen rebels. Kellen yeah. Krishnamurthy okay. In Moscow. Kellen In Moscow. Krishnamurti okay. Kellen it was a dinner with a bunch of people. She gets cut off by Krishnamurthy rebels or the people that were sent to suppress the rebels. Do you know? Kellen well, I was very ignorant about all of those sorts of things at the time. Krishnamoorthy I understand. Okay. Kellen I recognize kind of his name and picture from the press. Krishnamoorthy okay. Kellen. And he had, like, armed guards around him at dinner in Moscow. Krishnamurthy and you didn't have any contact from. From. With anyone from North Korea? Kellen no. Krishnamoorthy Or Iran? KELLEN no. Krishnamoorthy okay. Thank you. Redacted. You said just a few minutes ago that you think that Ms. Maxwell made Mr. Epstein the monster that he was. Can you say more about that? Kellen she would like her whole life was just pleasing him and giving him whatever he wanted and making sure everybody did exactly what he said to do and made him entitled. You know, he was wealthy, and she was looking to maintain her lifestyle that she was accustomed to, that she grew up with, and that she had all the connections. And I feel like she kind of taught him and shaped Jeffrey into who he became, showed him how to use his money like he didn't have private planes before her. He didn't have the townhouse before her. Like, she kind of showed him how he could live his life, and I think that it created the sense of entitlement, that he could do whatever he wanted. Question. Got it. Thank you. Redacted. Very last question, and it's a short one. I'm going to run a name past you. Akhmad Kadyrov. Is that by any chance the Chechen leader who you met in Moscow? No. Doesn't Sound familiar. Okay, Ms. Ham, can we go off the record? They go off, then they get back on. So I think the question was, do you remember this person, Kellan? Not the particular name. There was another. Another name. It was like Umar or something along those lines. Yeah. Redacted. And we are done. Ms. Kellen, thank you very much. And we are off the record. All right, folks, that's going to do it for the whole entire Sarah Kellen transcript. Next up, we're going to dive into Tova Noel's. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.
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The Epstein Chronicles
Episode: The Sarah Kellen Congressional Transcript (Part 14)
Host: Bobby Capucci
Date: June 17, 2026
In this episode, Bobby Capucci continues reading and analyzing the congressional transcript from Sarah Kellen’s interview with Congress regarding her time working for Jeffrey Epstein. The focus of this segment (part 14) is on Kellen’s firsthand perspectives about manipulation inside Epstein’s operation, her limited encounters with the Trump family, possible intelligence contacts, international dealings, financial transactions, and her reflections on Ghislaine Maxwell’s influence over Epstein and on the abuse. The episode offers an unvarnished look at the dynamics of power, control, and complicity within Epstein’s inner circle as revealed under congressional inquiry.
At episode’s conclusion, Capucci announces that the next investigation will focus on Tova Noel and her connection to the Epstein case.
For further documentation and transcript details, listeners are advised to check the episode description box.