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The Epstein Chronicles

Episode: The Sarah Kellen Congressional Transcript (Part 4)

Host: Bobby Capucci
Date: June 12, 2026

Episode Overview

In this episode, host Bobby Capucci continues analyzing the congressional transcript of Sarah Kellen, a significant figure who worked closely with Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. The discussion dives into the direct testimony of Kellen (now Brignac), her personal experiences of abuse, Epstein’s power dynamics, and the intricate web of his criminal enterprise. The narrative offers critical insight into both the method and extent of Epstein’s manipulations, shedding light on ignored abuse, third-party involvement, and firsthand beliefs about Epstein’s demise.

Key Discussion Points & Timeline

Consistency and Evolution of Abuse

[00:00–02:00]

Sarah Kellen testifies that the abuse was "pretty consistent," noting a "slight reprieve" while Epstein was jailed and on work release, but that the abuse continued even after with slightly less frequency.
She recounts her first traumatic encounter with Epstein on his island—him giving her a tour, then leading her to his bedroom and beginning to undress her.

Quote:

“It wasn’t as bad in the years that followed his... work release, but it was still—it still continued, just not to the frequency as much as the last few years.” (Kellen, 00:30)

Abuse by Ghislaine Maxwell and Other Associates

[02:00–06:00]

Kellen describes being abused by Ghislaine Maxwell, recalling an incident with Maxwell naked on the bed, instructing her on how to touch Epstein.
She also details being abused by others associated with Epstein—names dropped include Frederick Fekkai, Philip Levine, and famous fashion photographer Patrick Demarchelier.
Abuse by Fekkai occurred under false pretenses (a non-existent "hair show" in Maui), with Kellen financially dependent and isolated.
Abuse by Levine happened at a rented house in St. Tropez; Epstein and Maxwell were absent.
Patrick Demarchelier is identified via a photographer introduction facilitated by Fekkai.

Quote:

“Frederick Fakai, also Philip Levine, Ghislaine, obviously. Well, so much for Jeffrey Epstein not trafficking to other people, huh?” (Kellen, 03:30)

Epstein’s Deceptive Identity as a Victoria’s Secret Scout

[06:00–10:00]

Kellen explains being introduced to Epstein as a supposed Victoria’s Secret scout, a ruse that was supported by his connections to Les Wexner (Victoria’s Secret owner) and Ed Razek.
She eventually realizes Epstein is primarily a money manager, though his fashion industry ties seemed plausible at the time.

Quote:

“I knew that he was friends with Ed Razek, who was the guy in charge of hiring all Victoria’s Secret models. So it kind of seemed to make sense that he could have been a scout.” (Kellen, 07:45)

Encounters with Les Wexner

[10:00–13:00]

Kellen states she met Wexner briefly on several occasions, including at his Ohio office and on his yacht in Mallorca.
She doesn’t believe Wexner was aware of the abuse.
She recalls Wexner’s staff being "terrified" of him.

Evidence of Abuse, Public Display of Nude Photos

[13:00–18:00]

Kellen outlines that staff and guests would have seen nude photographs of her displayed in multiple Epstein residences, particularly large, prominently placed images in gyms and offices.
She describes three specific incidents of abuse where others were present, including Ghislaine Maxwell and two unnamed women.
No clients are known to have witnessed abuse, though visitors would likely see the photos.

Quote:

“He had a massive, almost life-sized nude photo of me in the gym, above the fireplace on the island... at the ranch... Palm Beach. Many visitors and staff would have seen that.” (Kellen, 15:20)

Psychological Control, Covert Threats, and Power Dynamics

[18:00–22:00]

Kellen reveals that overt threats were rare; instead, control and dependence were built gradually through grooming and false promises.
She felt unable to leave due to Epstein’s influence and network, fearing repercussions and career sabotage.
The perception of Epstein as a powerful “savior” was used as a tool for control.

Quote:

“He kept you trapped... making him seem like he was your savior. And then you saw the power imbalance and the power dynamic of... him knowing everybody in the world.” (Kellen, 20:16)

Specific Questions on Children and Secret Locations

[22:00–25:00]

Kellen denies witnessing abuse of prepubescent children or having suspicions of such.
She also says she did not know of “secret rooms” or hidden spaces on the island.

Epstein’s Death: Suicide or Murder?

[25:00–27:00]

Kellen asserts she does not believe Epstein committed suicide, calling him "too much of a narcissist" and a "coward" who would expect to "get off again."
She references Dr. Michael Baden’s forensic assessment, suggesting physical evidence is inconsistent with suicide, stating plainly: “I do [believe he was murdered].”

Quote:

“I believe he was too much of a narcissist... I don’t believe it [was suicide]... I do [believe he was murdered].” (Kellen, 26:10)

Closing Moments

[27:00–End]

The episode wraps up with Kellen expressing her relief at finally being able to speak and the host previewing the next installment.

Notable Memorable Moments & Quotes

On being groomed and trapped:

"Anybody that could hire me or would hire me in that capacity, like, they’re all friends with Jeffrey and he's not going to let us leave. Like, he won't let them hire me." (Kellen, 20:40)
On Maxwell’s Role:

"Ghislaine just being on the bed naked. And I was not expecting her to be there... showing me how to touch Jeffrey and what he liked." (Kellen, 02:50)
On Epstein’s true occupation:

“He was mostly a money manager.” (Kellen, 08:00)
On secrecy and fear:

"We're terrified of him. Like, he's very scary." (Wexner’s staff, 12:30, paraphrased by Kellen)
On Epstein’s fate:

"I’m sure that he thought he’d get off again. He was a coward. I just don’t see him going through something like that. ... None of it made sense to me." (Kellen, 26:00)

Episode Flow & Utility

The episode provides a chronological, detailed breakdown of Sarah Kellen’s testimony, allowing listeners to understand the inner workings and dark manipulations of Epstein’s operation from an insider. The host’s non-sensationalist, matter-of-fact retelling ensures the original tone is preserved. This summary is particularly useful for those seeking a deep dive into victim testimony and institutional enablers, as well as the persistent unanswered questions about Epstein’s death.

Next episode preview: Further examination of Kellen’s statements and additional content linked in the episode description.

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What's up, everyone? And welcome to another episode of the Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up where he left off with the Sarah Kellen conversation with Congress. Question how did the abuse change over the years? Answer. It was pretty consistent. It wasn't. It had a period of slight reprieve when he was in jail for a short period of time, and then he got out on work release. It wasn't as bad in the years that followed his. But when he got out of work release, but it was still. It still continued, just not to the frequency as much as the last few years. When was the first time he abused you? I don't remember exactly what happened on the first time on the island? The first time I met him, he gave me a tour of the island and then he took me to his bedroom and I have a visual of him walking up to me and starting to pull up my shirt, but I don't know exactly what happened after that. Mr. Tolan, and how old were you at the time? 22. Brignac, did Ms. Maxwell abuse you? Yes. Can you tell us more? We were on the island and it was in the bedroom, and I remember Ghislaine just being on the bed naked. And I was not expecting her to be there. And I was just very surprised and extremely uncomfortable. And I just remember her kinda liked touching me and. And showing me how to touch Jeffrey and what he liked. Did anyone witness when Maxwell would abuse you? No. Jeffrey, who did you tell about the abuse? Nobody until 2019. Who did you tell in 2019? The SDNY, my attorneys, my husband for the first time. Other one of my best friends. Did anyone associated with Mr. Epstein abuse you? Answer yes. Question. Who? Answer. Frederick Fakai, also Philip Levine. Gulene, obviously. Well, so much for Jeffrey Epstein not trafficking to other people, huh? Brigniak, when did Frederick Bukai abuse you? Answer. In Maui, when he asked me to come be in a hair show that didn't exist. And then he had me staying in his hotel room and I didn't have any money to get my own room or to fly back. He took advantage of me that night. Question did Mr. Epstein facilitate that abuse? Answer no, because then Frederick introduced me to Jeffrey Epstein. Question did Mr. Epstein facilitate the abuse by Philip Levine? Answer I don't know what he knew. It was my first or second year working for them. They rented a house in San Trope one summer, and Philip was really good friends with gain and he came to stay with us at the house. And Jeffrey and Ghislaine had gone to Bed. And Philip and I were still up, and he. He came up to me and he was like, you know, must be so lonely for you working with them, because you're with them all the time and you can't have your own life, so you must be really lonely. And he basically forced himself on me. Question. Did anyone witness the abuse by a Frederick Faki or Philip Levine? Answer, no. Question. Did you tell anyone? Answer no Question. Do you believe that Mr. Epstein knew about the abuse? I believe he would have known about Frederick. Clearly, he was not a Victoria's Secret Scout, and that's what they were posturing him to be. Did Frederick Fakay abuse any others? I don't know. Did Philip Levine abuse any others? I'm not sure. When did you first learn that Mr. Epstein was not Victoria's Secret Scout? When I went to his island. I learned he was a money manager. Question. Were any others involved in the Victoria's Secret scheme? Well, I had learned that one of his main clients was Les Wexner. So it didn't seem too far fetched then that they. That he would have had some. I mean, he had, like, a big connection to them. I knew that he was friends with Ed Razek, who was the guy in charge of hiring all Victoria's Secret models. So it kind of seemed to make sense that he could have been a scout. Question. When did you first learn that he was not a scout? Answer. I don't know exactly. I kind of felt that he had influence in the arena. I know that someone that he knew was in the Victoria's Secret catalog and he was friendly with, like, another Victoria's Secret model. So he wasn't necessarily like just a scout, but he was mostly a money manager. Mr. Tolan, are you aware of any other instance where Mr. Epstein presented himself as a Victoria's Secret Scout? Ms. Kellan? I've read about that, but I don't recall who exactly it was. Ms. Brignac, did anyone else abuse you? Ms. Hamm, can you clarify the time period? Ms. Brignac, did anyone else abuse you during the time period you worked for Mr. Epstein? There was an incident related to Frederick. I don't know that Jeffrey knew about it. Frederick introduced me to Patrick Demarchier, a very famous fashion photographer. And I went to his studio and he did photos of me and then walked over to me with his pants down. And who is the marchier? He is a very famous fashion photographer in all the Vogues and bazaars and very well regarded in the fashion industry. Mr. Tolan, what year was that? Kellen Probably 2002. Ms. Brignac, question. Who's Philip Levine? Answer. Who is he? He was a really good friend of Ghislaine's. He worked. He had a business, something to do with cruise ships. And then later he became the mayor of Miami Beach. Ms. Ham, sorry to clarify, was he Mayor then? Kellen? No, I think. I don't know what company was exactly, but I know it had something to do with cruise ships. Mr. Biggs, would you mind? I know this is weird, but Demarchier. Can you spell that last name for me? Kellen. I have to write it. Mr. Biggs. Oh, here we go. How about Kellen? It's French. Like Biggs jumps in. D E M A R. C H E L I E R. Kellen. Yep. Biggs. Okay, that helps me. Thank you, Tolan. Just to go back to Philip Levine. What year was that, Kellen? It would have been 2002 or 2003. Ms. Brignac, was Les Wexner aware of the abuse? I don't think so. Question. Can you describe your interactions with Les Wexner? I met him very briefly on a few occasions. I went with Jeffrey to his office in Ohio. I remember him and Les going into an office privately, and I was waiting outside with his assistant, and I think there was another worker there. And we were just talking, and he was like, oh, you work for Jeffrey. They're like, we're terrified of him. Like, he's very scary. I was like, yeah, I know, but I didn't. I wasn't in the room with them. And then there was one time. I remember being like. It was outside in a field. It was like a horse thing or something like that. And I believe Abigail was there. And then there was one time on his yacht in Mallorca. They docked in Mallorca, and we went onto the boat for like, an hour or so. Is there anything else you believe facilitated your abuse during the period of time you work with Mr. Epstein? No, other than the ones I've already said. Is there anyone who witnessed the abuse of Jeffrey Epstein? Ham. The abuse of Ms. Kellen Brignac? Yes. Ghislaine. Sorry, I'm not sure if I can answer the others. Ham. Can we go off record for a second, Bryn, yet? Can you answer the question? We can go off record. They come back on record. Question by Brignac. So the question was, is there anyone who witnessed the abuse by Mr. Epstein? Answer. So there was specifically three occasions with other people present. Let me just preface that by saying that I also had my, like, nude photographs of me Displayed around the houses. So anybody that would have been at the houses would have seen that. All the staff members and the guests. So there was an occasion with Ghislaine and then there were two other occasions with two other women, Once on the island and once in New York. Question. Can you tell me about those instances? Answer. So the island was. I don't know how else to call them. At a girlfriend of his in his bedroom that he directed me how to interact with her. Question. Did any of Mr. Epstein's clients witness the abuse by Mr. Epstein? Not that I'm aware of. Which visitors would have seen the nude photographs of you? Anyone? In the Paris apartment, he had a massive, almost life sized nude photo of me in the gym, above the fireplace on the island. In the gym. He had a massive, I don't know, like 8 foot photo of me naked on his desk at the ranch. He had a photo of me. Ghislaine blew up like a massive, probably 3x4 foot photo of me mounted into a foam core, I believe that was on the island. He had a nude photo of me in the gym in Palm Beach. So I guess whoever. Any visitors, any staff members? Question. Can you recall any clients of Mr. Epstein that you witnessed seeing the nude photographs? I don't remember a lot of clients being at houses. I remember if they were at the house, they probably mostly would have just been in the common spaces that they may not have been, but not where the photographs are within his dining room. In New York, that's where he usually had his meetings. I don't remember a lot of clients visiting houses in general. I do remember New York was probably the most often question you mentioned in your opening statement that you did not feel like you could leave. Can you describe any threats that were made towards you that made you feel that way? That I think is one. Like, I think the most important thing to understand is in all of this that it wasn't so obvious and it wasn't so, like, in your face. It was covert. Behind closed doors, the grooming process of, you know, being targeted as a vulnerable person and then him gaining your trust and then making you dependent on him and making false promises to you. It was like he kept you trapped and, you know, making him seem like he was your savior. And then you saw the power imbalance and the power dynamic of, of him knowing everybody in the world. And I remember during my employment talking to one of my friends and they were like, Sarah, you work 24 7, traveling every two to three days. The amount of hours that you work you should be making 2 to 300,000 a year. And I was like, yeah, but anybody that could hire me or would hire me in that capacity, like, they're all friends with Jeffrey and he's not going to let us leave. Like, he won't let me. He won't let them hire me. So it was just knowing that he really had full control over everything, and then just the fear of not knowing where else to go and not wanting to upset him. Mr. Higgins, ma'. Am, thank you for your calm demeanor. I'm sorry for what you have suffered in your life. Thank you. Thank you, Higgins. I hope that this time for disclosure and discussion can bring you some peace. Kellan. Thank you. I've been waiting a long time to speak. Higgins, did you have. In the course of your time and interactions with Epstein's cabal, did you have reason to suspect that very young children were also being abused? Pre pubescent children. Did you have any reason to suspect that, Kellan? No, Higgins. You never saw that. No, Ham, I think we don't. Though, as I mentioned at the beginning, want her to talk about other victims. She can talk about her own experience as a victim, but she's not prepared to talk about other victims. Mr. Higgins, to the gentle lady's point, I was careful to phrase my question within her own assessment. I will absolutely respect the parameters at this time on the island. How much time did you spend on the island, Kellan? Quite a bit. That was his main residence. Higgins, did you have a chance to explore the island? Very much. Kellen. Yes. Piggins, would you be. Or did you have any knowledge of any secret areas, secret rooms that might be difficult to detect if you did not know that they were there? Like doors that look like walls, things like that? Kellen. No, Higgins. Okay. Thank you for answering those questions. They're helpful for us to dispel some of. Some of the murmurs that are out there. My final question. Your assessment of Jeffrey Epstein, by all accounts, was he was a monster. Ms. Kellan? Yes, Higgins. Did you ever see him as the type of monster that would commit suicide? No, I don't believe he did. Higgins, you said that very affirmatively. Can you speak to your assessment there? I believe he was too much of a narcissist. That it was too soon. It was just a month in from him getting arrested, and I think that he. I'm sure that he thought he'd get off again. He was a coward. I just don't see him going through something like that. I feel like reading kind of like Michael Baden or Baden's assessment of the markings on his neck, the broken bones in his neck. I don't know how that would happen. Kind of leaning forward from a bedpost with sheets. None of it. None of it made sense to me. And just knowing him in general, I don't believe it. So you believe he was murdered, Kellan? I do. Higgins. Thank you for answering my questions, Mr. Chairman. That's all I have. All right, folks, we're going to wrap up right here. And in the next episode, dealing with the topic, we're going to pick up where we left off. All the information that goes with this episode can be found in the description box.